FDA Proposes New, Graphic Warnings For Cigarettes

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By Oct. 2012, cigarette packets could look drastically different. The Food and Drug Administration, today, unveiled 36 proposals for the kind of warning labels it would like to see on cigarette packets.
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One of the FDA's proposed warning labels.


One of them depicts a man smoking through a tracheostomy tube in his throat. Another, with the warning "Smoking can kill you," shows a cadaver with a gruesome surgical scar across its chest. All of them cover about half the box.
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LOL

Is the FDA going to censor itself for killing thousands and thousands of people by prematurely approving medications, or passing favors for MIC cohorts?

For crying out loud. I'm totally against smoking, but this is like a parody or something.
 
There's the line between warning the consumer and telling them how to live their life. This is walking that thin line and just waiting to fall into the latter category.

Can't wait for the TV dinner with the picture of a bedridden 800-pound Manuel with the slogan "This will make you fat."
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']For crying out loud. I'm totally against smoking, but this is like a parody or something.[/QUOTE]

It's like a Truth ad: it's so full of smarm that it actually makes you want to do the opposite of what they want.
 
They've done this in other countries, has it been more successful than regular warnings? That would be the measure if its effectiveness, not me making shit up.
 
I don't understand why so many people are bent on believing that people only smoke because they're too stupid to realize it's unhealthy. All this is going to do is increase the sales of decorative cigarette cases.
 
[quote name='Survivalism']I don't understand why so many people are bent on believing that people only smoke because they're too stupid to realize it's unhealthy. All this is going to do is increase the sales of decorative cigarette cases.[/QUOTE]

I think you're vastly overestimating the intelligence of the average smoker.
 
Of course smokers think that smoking is going to kill them, slowly and painfully, and it's constantly in the back of their minds as they smoke. That's why they do it.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Smokers gonna smoke. Everyone knows already, and has known for years, that it kills you. This won't change shit.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, is there anyone still under the illusion that cigarettes are good for you? I'm pretty sure doctors stopped recommending them about 60 years ago.

Everyone I've known who smokes is aware they're doing something unhealthy. They either don't care or figure it's not something they have to worry about now. I can't really see this changing things.
 
I would rather see them focus on pushing for legislation that makes it so people can not legally smoke inside a car with a child or smoke outside of a business. Smokers are going to smoke as dead of knight said, we do not need to remind them they are going to die, they already know that or like my dad are in denial. They however do not know jack shit about manners nor do they care/believe they are hurting others. I enjoy a cigar every once and awhile and I make sure when I smoke I give everyone else a large amount of space away from me, it is just polite. Meanwhile I can not go to Krogers/Walmart/diner without having 10 jackasses standing right outside the god damn doors puffing away. Its impossible to do anything these days without having to walk through cigarette smoke because as I said smokers in general are inconsiderate assholes.

Edit - Just wanted to add a little Denis Leary in to this. I think he sums smokers attitudes pretty well(while still being funny to non smokers!).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q7kUFS-0XQ
 
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smokers have rights too! But yes, standing right next to a door that every has to use is impolite. That's why I stand away from doors because really I'm smoking to get away from people so I might as well make the extra effort to go another 20 feet.
 
Where I wrok they're supposed to stand 50 feet away from doors, somehow 50 became 5 apparently.
 
[quote name='Clak']Where I wrok they're supposed to stand 50 feet away from doors, somehow 50 became 5 apparently.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I went to a campus a few years ago that went so far as to give smokers their own little spot outside. All they had to do was walk all of a minute and a half or so away from the building and they had a little shelter to sit and smoke in, but they would not even do that. Everyone still huddled right outside the damn door smoking and of course no one ever enforced the tickets they were supposed to get. Heaven forbid you say anything either because that would lead to an angry tirade about their rights.

I simply can not understand it. Restaurants are just as bad, they will have a no smoking policy so the jackasses will stand right outside the damned door smoking which defeats much of the purpose of the ban...just walk to your damn car and have a cigarette.

The worst was my cousins wedding. Out of the 200 or so guests there were a good 50 or so smokers and since it was cold out that night they refused to even smoke outside. They instead stood in the lounge and had their smoke, this meant it was impossible to go to the bathroom or leave without walking through a thick cloud of smoke since said smoke had no where to go. Not to mention our coats smelled like ass for freaking months from being in the lounge with the smokers.

I can tolerate a lot of people and a lot of ignorance I do not agree with....smokers though just piss me off. Complain about taxes going up even when your taxes have gone down, I can sigh and move on...but I should not have to deal with your toxic chemicals nor should your kid in the back seat of your car.
 
[quote name='ced']There's the line between warning the consumer and telling them how to live their life. This is walking that thin line and just waiting to fall into the latter category.

Can't wait for the TV dinner with the picture of a bedridden 800-pound Manuel with the slogan "This will make you fat."[/QUOTE]

Don't make fun of Manuel, he is a star in Mexico.
 
You aren't going tog et much sympathy if you act like an asshole about it. Making me breathe in your nasty smoke won't help me feel sorry for you. I don't even know what "rights" they think they have to smoke.
 
[quote name='Clak']You aren't going tog et much sympathy if you act like an asshole about it. Making me breathe in your nasty smoke won't help me feel sorry for you. I don't even know what "rights" they think they have to smoke.[/QUOTE]

On the flip side, if you are one of those pussies that start fake coughing when you walk by somebody smoking outside, in the smoking area or by the door when it's cold, don't expect them to do anything besides fantasize about caving your head in with a hammer.
 
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[quote name='Sporadic']On the flip side, if you are one of those pussies that start fake coughing when you walk by somebody smoking outside, in the smoking area or by the door when it's cold, don't expect them to do anything besides fantasizing about caving your head in with a hammer.[/QUOTE]

Most of those people are probably big fakers that are too scared to just tell the asshole smoker off. However, some people do have legitimate problems that make it hard to be around smoke. Some people are probably coughing because it really does bug them that much, my wife for instance gets chest pains around it and I get dizzy/nauseous. I grew up in a house with 2 smokers and had TONS of health problems till I moved out and got my own place. I did not even realize the effect just the second hand smoke was having on my system up to that point. Crazy thing is that going back and visiting whenever my dad and brother light a cig I can tell. My dad can be in his bedroom smoking and all the way on the other side of the house I can just tell from the sickness that comes over me that he lit up. He did not believe me till we had my mom who was a non smoker watch for a few days and judge if I was on his ass when he lit up just for lighting up, or if I could be by myself with no clue of what he was doing and legitimately just tell.
 
there is a difference between "Knowing" something is bad and actually seen the effects.

Obviously it won’t do anything for the addicted but might sway new smokers. If they really wanted to do something they would just make up stuff.

Warning: Smoking causes socialism.
 
[quote name='usickenme']there is a difference between "Knowing" something is bad and actually seen the effects.

Obviously it won’t do anything for the addicted but might sway new smokers. If they really wanted to do something they would just make up stuff.

Warning: Smoking causes socialism.[/QUOTE]

Problem is that new smokers are rarely people going and buying a pack of cigs, its kids who have friends just handing them one. Yes it might prevent someone standing and staring at the pack, but if its just a group of your 15 year old buddies and you are just handed a cig...do you think it makes a difference?
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']LOL

Is the FDA going to censor itself for killing thousands and thousands of people by prematurely approving medications, or passing favors for MIC cohorts?

For crying out loud. I'm totally against smoking, but this is like a parody or something.[/QUOTE]
What cracks me up are the ads for different drugs. They'll cure ONE thing, but then you need another drug to get rid of the insane amount of side effects from that one drug.

Some of these conditions you're probably screwed either way, but you have to wonder if these wonder drugs are really even worth it.

As for smoking, I smoked throughout high school and sporadically a couple of years afterwards and when I was nearly hired by the one local casino I refused a job because they couldn't guarantee me(a non-smoker now) a job ONLY in non-smoking.

The state here(PA) enacted a state wide smoking ban indoors, but then agreed to allow 'exemptions' for those businesses that applied for them. Innumerable bars, restaurants and the casinos all applied for either partial or total exemptions.

To me, if you're going to pass a law banning something, don't be a bunch of pussies and gimp your own law by allowing exemptions. The state of NY banned smoking indoors a while ago and their casinos and businesses don't seem to be hurting.

What annoys the shit out of me more, even moreso than the exemptions are the ignorant motherfuckers who will go from smoking to non-smoking sections in the casinos and if you even think about saying something they pull that 'smokers rights' bullshit. Apparently smoking not only causes cancer, it causes illiteracy and ignorant behavior as well.
 
[quote name='SpazX']They've done this in other countries, has it been more successful than regular warnings? That would be the measure if its effectiveness, not me making shit up.[/QUOTE]
We've had these here for years. Smoking has been in decline in Canada for years.

Is there any actual causal link between the first and second sentences above? fucked if I know.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']We've had these here for years. Smoking has been in decline in Canada for years.

Is there any actual causal link between the first and second sentences above? fucked if I know.[/QUOTE]

Smoking is also on the decline in the US, right?
 
I think it's funny, but yeah... it's not gonna do squat.

I don't mine raising taxes on them til they feel they can quit though.
 
I only smoke when I get drunk, stealing them right out of someone's hand. I am told this is funny to watch though.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Problem is that new smokers are rarely people going and buying a pack of cigs, its kids who have friends just handing them one. Yes it might prevent someone standing and staring at the pack, but if its just a group of your 15 year old buddies and you are just handed a cig...do you think it makes a difference?[/QUOTE]

Um,the word 'might' is in there for a reason.

But the warnings don't do any harm
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']I think it's funny, but yeah... it's not gonna do squat.

I don't mine raising taxes on them til they feel they can quit though.[/QUOTE]


Where is the line between the government trying to take monetary advantage of people addicted to cigarrettes and taxing them to get them to quit?

Or is it a two way street with you? Its ok that the government is profiting so much off of smokers because hypothetically someone quit because they can't afford them.

The reason I ask is because NY just raised taxes again on cigarrettes to simply close a budget gap. (shortly after a tax increase on them just 2 years ago)

Is that only wrong in my eyes? By the way I am not a smoker, and would like to see everyone I know quit, but from my experience with a family of many smokers, they will buy them no matter what. The price sidetracks them for a minute or two while they complain, then they go up to the counter and buy them. Each member of my family who quit, quit because of health effects, or had children on the way. The savings in money were simply a bonus to them.
 
Why don't they force those pictures of animals being slaughtered on every piece of meat you buy, or those horrific pictures of aborted fetus' on the walls of abortion clinics?
This type of warning really disgusts me.
Why not post a picture of a rotten liver on every bottle of liquor?
 
[quote name='depascal22']Smoking is also on the decline in the US, right?[/QUOTE]Actually from what I read the other day it's leveled off.
 
As a former smoker, I was always fully aware of how nasty this habit was. A picture of something grotesque that was caused by smoking would make me laugh and just toss the pic out of the box like I did with packs from Canada.
 
[quote name='Knoell'] Its ok that the government is profiting so much off of smokers because hypothetically someone quit because they can't afford them.

...they will buy them no matter what.[/QUOTE]

That was my idea, harsh as it is. I agree I have Family members/Friends and wouldn't quit no matter what price, but at that point a health concern will probably stop them in their tracks like it has for most of my family (two).

The other good thing (in theory...) is it will be so expensive for teens that they won't want to bother. In that situation then they'll go to "other" drugs and kill themselves.
 
While not a secret muslim, your president is an out of the closet smoker. Is your president ignorant and illiterate Cheapest Gamer?

All this vitriol towards smokers, maybe I'm starting to understand how dohdough feels... Too bad we're out of the Mad Men days where I could just smack a bitch if she complained about smoking indoors. Though, I don't smoke in my house and only smoke in the car to help focus when I've gotten a bit too far into my cups.
 
Would the beer picture be a really ugly person with a warning that says "after 15 or so of these beverages, this will look like a good idea"?
 
[quote name='62t'] Or for Big Mac?[/QUOTE]

McDonald's already does this, but they've taken it a big step forward. Rather than pictures on their packaging, you just have to look around any McDonald's for a living warning.
 
Is a big mac harmful to you? Or is it a persons personal lifestyle that leads to what they are? Anything can be bad for you when you don't eat in moderation.

I bet I could go to Mcdonalds once a week and have a big mac, and be perfectly healthy. But no, why don't we let the government babysit our choices, because we shouldn't be allowed too much responsibility.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']
As for smoking, I smoked throughout high school and sporadically a couple of years afterwards and when I was nearly hired by the one local casino I refused a job because they couldn't guarantee me(a non-smoker now) a job ONLY in non-smoking.

The state here(PA) enacted a state wide smoking ban indoors, but then agreed to allow 'exemptions' for those businesses that applied for them. Innumerable bars, restaurants and the casinos all applied for either partial or total exemptions.

To me, if you're going to pass a law banning something, don't be a bunch of pussies and gimp your own law by allowing exemptions. The state of NY banned smoking indoors a while ago and their casinos and businesses don't seem to be hurting.

[/QUOTE]

Most of New York's casinos are technically on Indian reservations so they are allowed to skirt the laws of New York, such as the smoking ban.

So there IS smoking in the casinos up here.

http://www.senecaniagaracasino.com/

They are mostly on Indian land because there is also a gambling ban in New York, but same thing goes for that too.

[quote name='New York State Constitution']
New York is a state where gambling is specificially prohibited in the State
Constitution. Article 1, Section 9 states:

"No lottery or the sale of lottery tickets, pool-selling, book-making, or any
other kind of gambling, except lotteries operated by the state ... and except
pari-mutuel betting on horse races as may be prescribed by the legislature ...
shall hereafter be authorized or allowed within this state; and the legislature
shall pass appropriate laws to prevent offenses against any of the provisions
of this section."

http://wings.buffalo.edu/law/bclc/web/NewYork/nyconart1.htm

[/QUOTE]

Now I am not for the government making gambling illegal like this, but damn, enforce the law to everyone if you are going to make a law.

Oh yeah, and New York allows for exemptions on the smoking ban for businesses that apply for one as well.

[quote name='New York State Department of Health']

http://www.nyhealth.gov/regulations/public_health_law/section/1399/

1399-u. Waiver.
  1. The enforcement officer may grant a waiver from the application of a specific provision of this article, provided that prior to the granting of any such waiver the applicant for a waiver shall establish that:
    1. Compliance with a specific provision of this article would cause undue financial hardship; or
    2. Other factors exist which would render compliance unreasonable.
  2. Every waiver granted shall be subject to such conditions or restrictions as may be necessary to minimize the adverse effects of the waiver upon persons subject to an involuntary exposure to second-hand smoke and to ensure that the waiver is consistent with the general purpose of this article.
[/QUOTE]
 
It would make more sense to require all the ingredients listed on the side of a pack. There wouldn't be room for anything else.
But if you wanted to deter new smokers, raise the price. WAY UP. Put it to $20/pack. Use those funds to provide free support for those who want to break the addiction.
At the same time, do not apply the increased tax to loose tobacco so smokers have options than getting hosed.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']On the flip side, if you are one of those pussies that start fake coughing when you walk by somebody smoking outside, in the smoking area or by the door when it's cold, don't expect them to do anything besides fantasize about caving your head in with a hammer.[/QUOTE]

I take it you don't have an allergy to smoke.

As someone who gets migranes from it - it's no joke. Those coughs aren't fake.
 
[quote name='camoor']I take it you don't have an allergy to smoke.

As someone who gets migranes from it - it's no joke. Those coughs aren't fake.[/QUOTE]

He is talking about the people who fake cough when they walk by people who smoke. Some may have allergies but I don't doubt most peoples ability to be assholes.

It is similiar to people who make comments about public displays of affection as they are walking by.
(minus the health risk obviously, calm down its just an example)
Some people don't care and continue walking, some people are offended but just keep walking, some people are truely offended by it, and some people feel the need to make their opinion known via body language, or commentary. Does PDA hurt them as they are walking by? No, but these are the type of people I believe Sporadic is talking about.
 
I didn't read most of this thread but I just wanted to add one comment: Nothing grinds my teeth about smokers more than when they flick their butt on to the ground. That shit gives me blurry vision and puts my sphincter into Jupiter-class pressure levels of anger. That, above all, is what pisses me off most about cigarettes.

It's amazing how rare it is to ever see a smoker that actually uses an ash tray or DOESN'T flick their butt out of their car window or on to the sidewalk It's one of the few times that I think stereotypes are pretty accurate - when it comes to smoker mentality.

It's also probably the only time I would stand behind a severely unfair totalitarian law for punishment. I wouldn't mind stringing up cigarette-butt-flickers naked on traffic lights for several hours. Make it a new duty for the TSA.
 
That's what I mean by not having much sympathy for them. You can't expect people to when you act like such an ass. I actually had someone throw a still lit cigarrette out of their car window and hit my car once.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I didn't read most of this thread but I just wanted to add one comment: Nothing grinds my teeth about smokers more than when they flick their butt on to the ground. That shit gives me blurry vision and puts my sphincter into Jupiter-class pressure levels of anger. That, above all, is what pisses me off most about cigarettes.

It's amazing how rare it is to ever see a smoker that actually uses an ash tray or DOESN'T flick their butt out of their car window or on to the sidewalk It's one of the few times that I think stereotypes are pretty accurate - when it comes to smoker mentality.

It's also probably the only time I would stand behind a severely unfair totalitarian law for punishment. I wouldn't mind stringing up cigarette-butt-flickers naked on traffic lights for several hours. Make it a new duty for the TSA.[/QUOTE]

The apartments we just moved out of had a lot of smokers that did that shit. People would just sit on their balcony and have a cig which not only insured that everyone that lived above or below them got to enjoy the lovely aroma, but also that instead of pitching the butt they just flicked it off their porch. This meant that our apartments looked like absolute shit because it was constantly covered in cig butts. These are the same assholes that even after the apartment complex installed trashcans and poop bags all over the place could watch their dog poop 3 feet from the trash can and just walk away.....

I have decided that the reason not all, but most smokers are assholes is because its just genetically bread in to them or trained in to them through societal norms. Think about it, most people that smoke are the people that wanted to be cool in high school, which means they were tools or dicks back then. That makes it not surprising when they still are now because they are either pretty/popular and think the world owes them, or ugly and stupid but think they are some kind of bad ass/rebel. Like I said, this is not EVERY smoker, but it makes sense if you start a hobby to be cool that 30 years later if you still have the same gross and unhealthy hobby...your probably still the same asshole.
 
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