Final Debate - Official Thread
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[quote name='David85']As soon as the president said "marriage" I had a sudden increase on me wanting to kill him.
Can't let the judges act on marriage...
Hear that inter-racial coubles we are going to take your rights away...
And PAD don't even say that they are different, they aren't, at all.[/quote]
They are different, technically. But not in a way that matters.
Can't let the judges act on marriage...
Hear that inter-racial coubles we are going to take your rights away...
And PAD don't even say that they are different, they aren't, at all.[/quote]
They are different, technically. But not in a way that matters.
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Yeah despite my personal stance (which I'll only say is different from Bush's and Kerry's) on the issue I think pretty much everyone can agree they are fundamentally different. One is same sex marriage while the other is not, however you're right in that the politics that surround the issue are quite similar to those of that were presented for interracial marriage.
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Man, he's WAY too old.
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[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Yeah despite my personal stance (which I'll only say is different from Bush's and Kerry's) on the issue I think pretty much everyone can agree they are fundamentally different. One is same sex marriage while the other is not, however you're right in that the politics that surround the issue are quite similar to those of that were presented for interracial marriage.[/quote]
That's my point, they aren't EXACTLY the same, but Bush doesn't seem to realize that equal rights happens in courts first. America is dumb, if America voted on inter-racial marriage we would still have one white women and one white man.
That's my point, they aren't EXACTLY the same, but Bush doesn't seem to realize that equal rights happens in courts first. America is dumb, if America voted on inter-racial marriage we would still have one white women and one white man.
I thought this was a very good and well rounded debate. As always, rock the vote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
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[quote name='CheapyD']I wasn't kidding...I really thought I saw some weird thing on the side of Bush's mouth, like a white zit or something. I guess I imagined it.[/quote]
No, I saw it. I was a nice fleck of spittle. Really attractive.
No, I saw it. I was a nice fleck of spittle. Really attractive.
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal'][quote name='CheapyD']I wasn't kidding...I really thought I saw some weird thing on the side of Bush's mouth, like a white zit or something. I guess I imagined it.[/quote]
No, I saw it. I was a nice fleck of spittle. Really attractive.[/quote]
Ah good. I'm sure some website will have a frame by fame shot of it.
No, I saw it. I was a nice fleck of spittle. Really attractive.[/quote]
Ah good. I'm sure some website will have a frame by fame shot of it.
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[quote name='David85']As soon as the president said "marriage" I had a sudden increase on me wanting to kill him.
Can't let the judges act on marriage...
Hear that inter-racial coubles we are going to take your rights away...
And PAD don't even say that they are different, they aren't, at all.[/quote]
Here's the basic difference between interracial couples and gay couples David. I'm going to make this real clear, again.
If you stranded an interracial couple on an island with food, clothing and shelter for 5 years when you came back chances are there be at least 3 of them.
If you stranded a gay couple on an island with food, clothing and shelter for 5 years when you came back they'd be bitching about their lack of closet space, crying about how they missed the ballet, made a FABULOUS new sitting space but there would still just be two of them.
Can't let the judges act on marriage...
Hear that inter-racial coubles we are going to take your rights away...
And PAD don't even say that they are different, they aren't, at all.[/quote]
Here's the basic difference between interracial couples and gay couples David. I'm going to make this real clear, again.
If you stranded an interracial couple on an island with food, clothing and shelter for 5 years when you came back chances are there be at least 3 of them.
If you stranded a gay couple on an island with food, clothing and shelter for 5 years when you came back they'd be bitching about their lack of closet space, crying about how they missed the ballet, made a FABULOUS new sitting space but there would still just be two of them.
Your completely ignorant statement aside, why does it matter that a gay couple can't have children? Is it because your religion equates marriage with having children? Because the law sure doesn't. Should impotent men or barren women not be allowed to marry?
What two people want to do with their own lives is their own business. I thought Republicans were for states rights? I guess they aren't when it comes to gays, and marijuana.
Before you make the inevitable rebuttal involving polygamy or marriage to animals, here's the difference. Polygamy is illegal. Having sex with animals is illegal. Being a homosexual is not illegal in this country.
I personally think the idea of two men is disgusting. But if thats the way they want to live, they have every right to do so, and the government has no right to interfere.
Bush gave Kerry such a huge gift tonight, it should have come with a nice, gold bow.
He never said he "wasn't concerned" about bin Laden? Oh yes he did. If the Democrats don't have that playing on every channel in the country tomorrow, they're idiots.
Why? Because it illustrates two things. One: Bush took his eye of the ball. Two: He'll lie about anything.
I almost gasped in disbelief when Bush had the gall to posture about how he never said it. Then I laughed, and laughed, and laughed...
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He never said he "wasn't concerned" about bin Laden? Oh yes he did. If the Democrats don't have that playing on every channel in the country tomorrow, they're idiots.
Why? Because it illustrates two things. One: Bush took his eye of the ball. Two: He'll lie about anything.
I almost gasped in disbelief when Bush had the gall to posture about how he never said it. Then I laughed, and laughed, and laughed...
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I think the ad should start with the clip showing Bush saying we will catch Bin Laden dead or alive, follwed by I don't know where he is or care, and finish with the debate clip where he says "I never said that"
This should be their next ad. A clip of Bush saying he never said it, and then a clip of him saying it. And a few other similar things to this that he's done, tie it in to not admitting mistakes, and lying, and theres your ad.[/quote]
I think the ad should start with the clip showing Bush saying we will catch Bin Laden dead or alive, follwed by I don't know where he is or care, and finish with the debate clip where he says "I never said that"
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark'][quote name='David85']As soon as the president said "marriage" I had a sudden increase on me wanting to kill him.
Can't let the judges act on marriage...
Hear that inter-racial coubles we are going to take your rights away...
And PAD don't even say that they are different, they aren't, at all.[/quote]
Here's the basic difference between interracial couples and gay couples David. I'm going to make this real clear, again.
If you stranded an interracial couple on an island with food, clothing and shelter for 5 years when you came back chances are there be at least 3 of them.
If you stranded a gay couple on an island with food, clothing and shelter for 5 years when you came back they'd be bitching about their lack of closet space, crying about how they missed the ballet, made a FABULOUS new sitting space but there would still just be two of them.[/quote]
So a male/female couple who can't conceive shouldn't be allowed to marry?
Can't let the judges act on marriage...
Hear that inter-racial coubles we are going to take your rights away...
And PAD don't even say that they are different, they aren't, at all.[/quote]
Here's the basic difference between interracial couples and gay couples David. I'm going to make this real clear, again.
If you stranded an interracial couple on an island with food, clothing and shelter for 5 years when you came back chances are there be at least 3 of them.
If you stranded a gay couple on an island with food, clothing and shelter for 5 years when you came back they'd be bitching about their lack of closet space, crying about how they missed the ballet, made a FABULOUS new sitting space but there would still just be two of them.[/quote]
So a male/female couple who can't conceive shouldn't be allowed to marry?
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I'd like to see the media talking about how Bush, who had never lost a debate before, lost all three to Kerry.
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Here are the results of last night's debate:
Kerry Wins Third Debate
ABC Who won the debate?
Among Democrats – Kerry: 81%
Among Republicans – Bush: 73%
CBS Poll uncommitted voters:
Who won the debate:
Kerry-Edwards: 39
Bush-Cheney: 25
Tie: 36
CBS POLL, Kerry has clear positions on issues:
Before: 29%
After: 60%
CNN Poll:
Kerry 52%
Bush 39%
MSNBC Keith Oberman:
12 Rounds Kerry
4 Rounds Bush
MSNBC Online poll:
Who won the debate?
Kerry 75, Bush 25%
KERRY WINS ABC REPUBLICAN HEAVY POLL:
Of the 566 People Polled (38% Were Republican, 30% Democrat, 28% Independent) Kerry Won 42%-415
Kerry In Control And Winner
Bob Novak: “Kerry seems to be overpowering Bush.” (cnn.com, 10/13/04)
Candy Crowley: “If what you’re looking for in a candidate is the best debater, I mean, that is definitely John Kerry. He has a quick command of the facts, he is very articulate, and I think the poll reflects that.” (CNN, 10/13/04)
Ron Reagan: “I will predict that the polls tomorrow, just as they have in the two previous presidential debates, will say that Kerry won.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
Pat Buchanan: “Kerry was, I thought, very much at the top of his game and I thought toward the end, when you saw Kerry, you saw more of the humanity of the man in some of those questions, which was very helpful to them; talking about the daughters and things. I thought he had some excellent moments.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
John Roberts: “I would probably have to give it to John Kerry. He seemed a little bit more poised.” (CBS, John Roberts, 10/13/04)
Joe Scarborough: “It gave Democrats a reason to be excited about John Kerry.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
Jon Meacham, Newsweek: “John Kerry took the populist war straight to the President.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
Tavis Smiley: “I think, Peter, that you have to shore up your bases…I think Mr. Kerry did that with people of color on the left.” (ABC, 10/13/04)
Bill Schneider: “Well this was a decisive win for John Kerry. It was just about as decisive as his win in the first debate, which everyone agreed was a blowout. His, the first debate he won by 16 points; this debate, Kerry won by 13 points. According to the views of the viewers polled immediately after the debate so they had no chance really to be influenced by the spin.” (CNN, 10/13/04)
Andrea Mitchell: “Kerry says, well we all, you know, married above ourselves and some would say, me more than most – joking about Teresa Heinz and her extraordinary fortune and I thought that was actually showing a lot of self confidence of John Kerry to joke about that disparity.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04
Kerry’s Momentum Grew And Grows
David Gergen: "John Kerry, Sen. Kerry gained strength as the debate went on and I thought he became much more effective and if anything I thought the last part of the debate was his." (PBS, 10/13/04)
Carlos Watson: “As we went along, as we talked about social security, as we talked about immigration, as we talked even about the Supreme Court, I thought John Kerry ultimately found his voice. And when all is said and done I think Kerry will be proclaimed the winner, which I think will be significant because I think he will be viewed as having won all three debates.” (CNN, 10/13/04)
Dean Reynolds: “I think the candidate whose numbers have been moving in the right direction for the last 10 days has been Senator John Kerry, this debate did nothing to stop that, and I think from the Kerry point of view they’ll be happy about the results tonight.” (ABC, 10/13/04)
Anthony Mason: “Dan, the uncommitted voters in our survey have given the edge in this debate, to this final debate, to John Kerry.” (CBS, 10/13/04)
Kerry Appealed To Voters
David Gergen: "What I thought John Kerry did very effectively tonight was reach out to women voters and they've become critical to his election Charlie, its the bigggest change that's taken place since these debates started. And tonight, I would imagine with the Yankees and Red Sox on, there were probably a lot of women in that audience tonight." (PBS, 10/13/04)
"After viewing two presidential debates, a group of local independent voters has decided whom to support - and will use tonight's face-off simply to make sure they've got it right. Currently, Kerry is the pick of the majority. The Denver Post gathered the five panelists last month to view the debates. At the time, none of them had decided." (Denver Post, 10/13/04)
Seniors Weigh In For Kerry. AARP hosted a debate watch party in Las Vegas they were asked: Which presidential candidate best addressed the issues important to you? 76.2% for John Kerry, 15.1% George W. Bush, 8.7 Draw
Kerry More Presidential
Bill Schneider: “Well I think he did appear more presidential than the president, which is exactly why he won the first debate and why he won this debate.” (CNN, 10/13/04)
Richard Wolfe: “John Kerry has looked more presidential and more personable as these debates have gone on.” (CNN, 10/13/04)
Perry Bacon, Time Magazine: “And still, Kerry came out looking more presidential…” (CNN, 10/13/04)
Kerry Clear On Issues
Andrea Mitchell: “I think Kerry cleared up any confusion that might have existed about how he as a Catholic was dealing with this very complex issue (abortion).” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
George Stephanopoulos: “I thought Senator Kerry was most effective on talking about jobs, minimum wage, healthcare and social security.” (ABC, 10/13/04)
"Kerry's answer on health-care costs may be his best yet. He lays out the case against the administration logically and clearly." (Kit Seeyle, New York Times online, 10/13/04)
"In response to the flu vaccine, Bush narrowly focuses on the question and tells people not to get a flu shot. Kerry smartly takes the topic back to health care." (Kit Seeyle, New York Times online, 10/13/04)
Chris Wallace: "I thought perhaps because of the subject matter that John Kerry did better in the second half on subjects like minimum wage which the president seemed somewhat uncomfortable on." (Fox News, 10/13/04)
Mark Shields: “I thought Kerry's best answer by far was on the assault weapons. When the President begged off, it was Bob Schieffer's question to him Jim, why didn't you, you said you'd sign it, why didn't you lift a finger to do it, he said well they told me in Congress they didn't have the votes to do it and he said I would have gone to Tom Delay, and said we're going to have a fight, we'll go to the country on this. I thought that was probably Kerry's best answer. (PBS, 10/13/04)
Chris Matthews: “Senator Kerry tonight was able to score on the class issue.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
Tom Brokaw: “I think that they were seeing on the war issue that John Kerry had tapped into something out there in America. That there were doubts even among the president’s supporters on the Republican side of the agenda and especially in a lot of those traditionally red states where they have a lot of people overseas and beginning to wonder if this was going well or not. So they had to move it; move the agenda, if you will, off the war and harder onto the social issues.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
Bush Fell, Kerry Cleaned-Up
Ron Reagan: “George Bush made a mistake. Kerry quoted him accurately as it turns out in saying he’s not really worried about Osama bin Laden and Bush came back and said, well I don’t recall ever saying anything like that, we’ll you’ll see the clip of him saying exactly that tomorrow.” (MSNBC 10:32 pm)
Mark Shields: “I think Kerry is far more factual.” (PBS, 10/13/04)
Brian Williams: “We heard the name Osama Bin Laden mentioned again tonight and tonight our fact checkers found the President in a major contradiction. Here is what the President said on stage tonight in response to a charge by Sen. Kerry (Bush clip, exaggerations). But here is what the President said about Bin Laden in March of 2002 (Bush clip saying he is not concerned about Bin Laden). (NBC, 10/13/04)
Chris Jansing: “He painted the president as some one who led us to a misguided war, who has put Americans at risk because they don't have health insurance, who has lost more jobs than any president.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
Bush Mission To Win Debate: NOT ACCOMPLISHED
George Stephanopoulos: Most Americans believe we’re going in the wrong direction right now. (ABC, 10/13/04)
Jeff Greenfield: “I think to the extent that the Republicans were looking for the president to lay the heavy lumber on John Kerry, that did not happen. And so if we’ve gone this last ten days with Kerry slowly moving up on Bush, I don’t see anything in this debate that will change that.” (CNN, 10/13/04)
John King: “I do think Republicans will agree that the president was perhaps not emphatic or focused enough in doing as much as he wanted to do to calling the Senate record into play and put the liberal label on Senator Kerry.” (CNN, 10/13/04)
Bob Novak: “Bush looks wishy-washy on the assault-weapons ban.” (cnn.com, 10/13/04)
Richard Wolfe: “John Kerry, I thought, took this one by points. The president really needed to get a big victory tonight and he fell short of that. You know, he beat himself in the previous debates, but that really wasn’t good enough.” (CNN, 10/13/04)
Bush’s Expressions Showed His Weakness
"Bush seems more on edge than Kerry. His voice is rising, almost to a shout. And he pounds his hand for emphasis. Kerry is trying to show he is cool, calm and collected." (Kit Seeyle, New York Times online, 10/13/04)
Bob Novak: “Bush's chuckles are not so good.” (cnn.com, 10/13/04)
Chris Matthews: “I think the president had sort of an unhappy look but it was a very controlled and disciplined look. He was obviously told ‘they’re looking at you, don’t put on a show.’ But he didn’t look happy. He wasn’t used to this kind of brow-beating.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
Kerry Wins Third Debate
ABC Who won the debate?
Among Democrats – Kerry: 81%
Among Republicans – Bush: 73%
CBS Poll uncommitted voters:
Who won the debate:
Kerry-Edwards: 39
Bush-Cheney: 25
Tie: 36
CBS POLL, Kerry has clear positions on issues:
Before: 29%
After: 60%
CNN Poll:
Kerry 52%
Bush 39%
MSNBC Keith Oberman:
12 Rounds Kerry
4 Rounds Bush
MSNBC Online poll:
Who won the debate?
Kerry 75, Bush 25%
KERRY WINS ABC REPUBLICAN HEAVY POLL:
Of the 566 People Polled (38% Were Republican, 30% Democrat, 28% Independent) Kerry Won 42%-415
Kerry In Control And Winner
Bob Novak: “Kerry seems to be overpowering Bush.” (cnn.com, 10/13/04)
Candy Crowley: “If what you’re looking for in a candidate is the best debater, I mean, that is definitely John Kerry. He has a quick command of the facts, he is very articulate, and I think the poll reflects that.” (CNN, 10/13/04)
Ron Reagan: “I will predict that the polls tomorrow, just as they have in the two previous presidential debates, will say that Kerry won.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
Pat Buchanan: “Kerry was, I thought, very much at the top of his game and I thought toward the end, when you saw Kerry, you saw more of the humanity of the man in some of those questions, which was very helpful to them; talking about the daughters and things. I thought he had some excellent moments.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
John Roberts: “I would probably have to give it to John Kerry. He seemed a little bit more poised.” (CBS, John Roberts, 10/13/04)
Joe Scarborough: “It gave Democrats a reason to be excited about John Kerry.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
Jon Meacham, Newsweek: “John Kerry took the populist war straight to the President.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
Tavis Smiley: “I think, Peter, that you have to shore up your bases…I think Mr. Kerry did that with people of color on the left.” (ABC, 10/13/04)
Bill Schneider: “Well this was a decisive win for John Kerry. It was just about as decisive as his win in the first debate, which everyone agreed was a blowout. His, the first debate he won by 16 points; this debate, Kerry won by 13 points. According to the views of the viewers polled immediately after the debate so they had no chance really to be influenced by the spin.” (CNN, 10/13/04)
Andrea Mitchell: “Kerry says, well we all, you know, married above ourselves and some would say, me more than most – joking about Teresa Heinz and her extraordinary fortune and I thought that was actually showing a lot of self confidence of John Kerry to joke about that disparity.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04
Kerry’s Momentum Grew And Grows
David Gergen: "John Kerry, Sen. Kerry gained strength as the debate went on and I thought he became much more effective and if anything I thought the last part of the debate was his." (PBS, 10/13/04)
Carlos Watson: “As we went along, as we talked about social security, as we talked about immigration, as we talked even about the Supreme Court, I thought John Kerry ultimately found his voice. And when all is said and done I think Kerry will be proclaimed the winner, which I think will be significant because I think he will be viewed as having won all three debates.” (CNN, 10/13/04)
Dean Reynolds: “I think the candidate whose numbers have been moving in the right direction for the last 10 days has been Senator John Kerry, this debate did nothing to stop that, and I think from the Kerry point of view they’ll be happy about the results tonight.” (ABC, 10/13/04)
Anthony Mason: “Dan, the uncommitted voters in our survey have given the edge in this debate, to this final debate, to John Kerry.” (CBS, 10/13/04)
Kerry Appealed To Voters
David Gergen: "What I thought John Kerry did very effectively tonight was reach out to women voters and they've become critical to his election Charlie, its the bigggest change that's taken place since these debates started. And tonight, I would imagine with the Yankees and Red Sox on, there were probably a lot of women in that audience tonight." (PBS, 10/13/04)
"After viewing two presidential debates, a group of local independent voters has decided whom to support - and will use tonight's face-off simply to make sure they've got it right. Currently, Kerry is the pick of the majority. The Denver Post gathered the five panelists last month to view the debates. At the time, none of them had decided." (Denver Post, 10/13/04)
Seniors Weigh In For Kerry. AARP hosted a debate watch party in Las Vegas they were asked: Which presidential candidate best addressed the issues important to you? 76.2% for John Kerry, 15.1% George W. Bush, 8.7 Draw
Kerry More Presidential
Bill Schneider: “Well I think he did appear more presidential than the president, which is exactly why he won the first debate and why he won this debate.” (CNN, 10/13/04)
Richard Wolfe: “John Kerry has looked more presidential and more personable as these debates have gone on.” (CNN, 10/13/04)
Perry Bacon, Time Magazine: “And still, Kerry came out looking more presidential…” (CNN, 10/13/04)
Kerry Clear On Issues
Andrea Mitchell: “I think Kerry cleared up any confusion that might have existed about how he as a Catholic was dealing with this very complex issue (abortion).” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
George Stephanopoulos: “I thought Senator Kerry was most effective on talking about jobs, minimum wage, healthcare and social security.” (ABC, 10/13/04)
"Kerry's answer on health-care costs may be his best yet. He lays out the case against the administration logically and clearly." (Kit Seeyle, New York Times online, 10/13/04)
"In response to the flu vaccine, Bush narrowly focuses on the question and tells people not to get a flu shot. Kerry smartly takes the topic back to health care." (Kit Seeyle, New York Times online, 10/13/04)
Chris Wallace: "I thought perhaps because of the subject matter that John Kerry did better in the second half on subjects like minimum wage which the president seemed somewhat uncomfortable on." (Fox News, 10/13/04)
Mark Shields: “I thought Kerry's best answer by far was on the assault weapons. When the President begged off, it was Bob Schieffer's question to him Jim, why didn't you, you said you'd sign it, why didn't you lift a finger to do it, he said well they told me in Congress they didn't have the votes to do it and he said I would have gone to Tom Delay, and said we're going to have a fight, we'll go to the country on this. I thought that was probably Kerry's best answer. (PBS, 10/13/04)
Chris Matthews: “Senator Kerry tonight was able to score on the class issue.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
Tom Brokaw: “I think that they were seeing on the war issue that John Kerry had tapped into something out there in America. That there were doubts even among the president’s supporters on the Republican side of the agenda and especially in a lot of those traditionally red states where they have a lot of people overseas and beginning to wonder if this was going well or not. So they had to move it; move the agenda, if you will, off the war and harder onto the social issues.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
Bush Fell, Kerry Cleaned-Up
Ron Reagan: “George Bush made a mistake. Kerry quoted him accurately as it turns out in saying he’s not really worried about Osama bin Laden and Bush came back and said, well I don’t recall ever saying anything like that, we’ll you’ll see the clip of him saying exactly that tomorrow.” (MSNBC 10:32 pm)
Mark Shields: “I think Kerry is far more factual.” (PBS, 10/13/04)
Brian Williams: “We heard the name Osama Bin Laden mentioned again tonight and tonight our fact checkers found the President in a major contradiction. Here is what the President said on stage tonight in response to a charge by Sen. Kerry (Bush clip, exaggerations). But here is what the President said about Bin Laden in March of 2002 (Bush clip saying he is not concerned about Bin Laden). (NBC, 10/13/04)
Chris Jansing: “He painted the president as some one who led us to a misguided war, who has put Americans at risk because they don't have health insurance, who has lost more jobs than any president.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
Bush Mission To Win Debate: NOT ACCOMPLISHED
George Stephanopoulos: Most Americans believe we’re going in the wrong direction right now. (ABC, 10/13/04)
Jeff Greenfield: “I think to the extent that the Republicans were looking for the president to lay the heavy lumber on John Kerry, that did not happen. And so if we’ve gone this last ten days with Kerry slowly moving up on Bush, I don’t see anything in this debate that will change that.” (CNN, 10/13/04)
John King: “I do think Republicans will agree that the president was perhaps not emphatic or focused enough in doing as much as he wanted to do to calling the Senate record into play and put the liberal label on Senator Kerry.” (CNN, 10/13/04)
Bob Novak: “Bush looks wishy-washy on the assault-weapons ban.” (cnn.com, 10/13/04)
Richard Wolfe: “John Kerry, I thought, took this one by points. The president really needed to get a big victory tonight and he fell short of that. You know, he beat himself in the previous debates, but that really wasn’t good enough.” (CNN, 10/13/04)
Bush’s Expressions Showed His Weakness
"Bush seems more on edge than Kerry. His voice is rising, almost to a shout. And he pounds his hand for emphasis. Kerry is trying to show he is cool, calm and collected." (Kit Seeyle, New York Times online, 10/13/04)
Bob Novak: “Bush's chuckles are not so good.” (cnn.com, 10/13/04)
Chris Matthews: “I think the president had sort of an unhappy look but it was a very controlled and disciplined look. He was obviously told ‘they’re looking at you, don’t put on a show.’ But he didn’t look happy. He wasn’t used to this kind of brow-beating.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)
I actually only watched about 30 mins of this one, but Bush dodged like 80% of the questions that I saw.
question about minmum wage - he ONLy talked about No Child Left Behind (I guess if people are educated better there won't be minimum wage jobs anymore?)
question about Does he want to overturn Roe v Wade - he interrupted the moderator and turned it into a question about picking judges
There were others but I don't remember them right now.
question about minmum wage - he ONLy talked about No Child Left Behind (I guess if people are educated better there won't be minimum wage jobs anymore?)
question about Does he want to overturn Roe v Wade - he interrupted the moderator and turned it into a question about picking judges
There were others but I don't remember them right now.
There's a pretty good debate analysis up on Slate:
http://www.slate.com/id/2108121/
The excerpt I dug:
My favorite moment was Bush's answer to a question about partisanship. Fifteen minutes in, he joked, "When you're a senator from Massachusetts, when you're a colleague of Ted Kennedy, 'pay-go' means you [the taxpayer] pay, and he goes ahead and spends." Later, Bush told Kerry, "Your record is such that Ted Kennedy, your colleague, is the conservative senator from Massachusetts." A bit later, Bush scoffed, "Only a liberal senator from Massachusetts would say that a 49 percent increase in funding for education was not enough." Finally, Schieffer asked the candidates what they would do "to bring the nation back together." Bush replied, "My biggest disappointment in Washington is how partisan the town is. ... The No Child Left Behind Act, incredibly enough, was good work between me and my administration and people like Sen. Ted Kennedy." Pose with Kennedy, punch Kennedy, pose with Kennedy again. Two presidential campaigns—the uniter of 2000 and the steady, principled leader of 2004—self-discredited in 90 minutes.
http://www.slate.com/id/2108121/
The excerpt I dug:
My favorite moment was Bush's answer to a question about partisanship. Fifteen minutes in, he joked, "When you're a senator from Massachusetts, when you're a colleague of Ted Kennedy, 'pay-go' means you [the taxpayer] pay, and he goes ahead and spends." Later, Bush told Kerry, "Your record is such that Ted Kennedy, your colleague, is the conservative senator from Massachusetts." A bit later, Bush scoffed, "Only a liberal senator from Massachusetts would say that a 49 percent increase in funding for education was not enough." Finally, Schieffer asked the candidates what they would do "to bring the nation back together." Bush replied, "My biggest disappointment in Washington is how partisan the town is. ... The No Child Left Behind Act, incredibly enough, was good work between me and my administration and people like Sen. Ted Kennedy." Pose with Kennedy, punch Kennedy, pose with Kennedy again. Two presidential campaigns—the uniter of 2000 and the steady, principled leader of 2004—self-discredited in 90 minutes.
At last night's debate President Bush claimed that, contrary to Sen. John Kerry's assertion, he never said he was "not that concerned" about Osama Bin Laden. Bush chastised Kerry saying, "Gosh, I don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. That's kind of one of those exaggerations." Bush was completely wrong.
At March 13, 2002 press conference, Bush said "So I don't know where he [Osama Bin Laden] is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him...I truly am not that concerned about him." Watch the video of Bush's remarks: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/atrios/notconcerned.wmv
At March 13, 2002 press conference, Bush said "So I don't know where he [Osama Bin Laden] is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him...I truly am not that concerned about him." Watch the video of Bush's remarks: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/atrios/notconcerned.wmv
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[quote name='MrBadExample']I'd like to see the media talking about how Bush, who had never lost a debate before, lost all three to Kerry.[/quote]
The whole media isn't inclined to follow the same bias opinion as many of you seem to have...
The whole media isn't inclined to follow the same bias opinion as many of you seem to have...
David85
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[quote name='dennis_t'][quote name='PittsburghAfterDark'][quote name='David85']As soon as the president said "marriage" I had a sudden increase on me wanting to kill him.
Can't let the judges act on marriage...
Hear that inter-racial coubles we are going to take your rights away...
And PAD don't even say that they are different, they aren't, at all.[/quote]
Here's the basic difference between interracial couples and gay couples David. I'm going to make this real clear, again.
If you stranded an interracial couple on an island with food, clothing and shelter for 5 years when you came back chances are there be at least 3 of them.
If you stranded a gay couple on an island with food, clothing and shelter for 5 years when you came back they'd be bitching about their lack of closet space, crying about how they missed the ballet, made a FABULOUS new sitting space but there would still just be two of them.[/quote]
So a male/female couple who can't conceive shouldn't be allowed to marry?[/quote]
Thank you.
Britney Spears didn't get pregant in her 55 hours of marriage, so it's not a real marriage.
I go to sleep and I'm glad someone didn't let that fool, it's not even ignorance, it's lower than that, get away with his dumbass stateent.
Can't let the judges act on marriage...
Hear that inter-racial coubles we are going to take your rights away...
And PAD don't even say that they are different, they aren't, at all.[/quote]
Here's the basic difference between interracial couples and gay couples David. I'm going to make this real clear, again.
If you stranded an interracial couple on an island with food, clothing and shelter for 5 years when you came back chances are there be at least 3 of them.
If you stranded a gay couple on an island with food, clothing and shelter for 5 years when you came back they'd be bitching about their lack of closet space, crying about how they missed the ballet, made a FABULOUS new sitting space but there would still just be two of them.[/quote]
So a male/female couple who can't conceive shouldn't be allowed to marry?[/quote]
Thank you.
Britney Spears didn't get pregant in her 55 hours of marriage, so it's not a real marriage.
I go to sleep and I'm glad someone didn't let that fool, it's not even ignorance, it's lower than that, get away with his dumbass stateent.
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The point of marriage being procreation is just a religious argument and I'm 98% sure it doesn't come into (nor will if any policitian has half a brain) any government's current definition of marriage at all. People could sucessfully argue it for a religion debate, but it holds no water in this situation.
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark'][quote name='David85']As soon as the president said "marriage" I had a sudden increase on me wanting to kill him.
Can't let the judges act on marriage...
Hear that inter-racial coubles we are going to take your rights away...
And PAD don't even say that they are different, they aren't, at all.[/quote]
Here's the basic difference between interracial couples and gay couples David. I'm going to make this real clear, again.
If you stranded an interracial couple on an island with food, clothing and shelter for 5 years when you came back chances are there be at least 3 of them.
If you stranded a gay couple on an island with food, clothing and shelter for 5 years when you came back they'd be bitching about their lack of closet space, crying about how they missed the ballet, made a FABULOUS new sitting space but there would still just be two of them.[/quote]
And you called democrats biggots in the other thread? My head is spinning...
Can't let the judges act on marriage...
Hear that inter-racial coubles we are going to take your rights away...
And PAD don't even say that they are different, they aren't, at all.[/quote]
Here's the basic difference between interracial couples and gay couples David. I'm going to make this real clear, again.
If you stranded an interracial couple on an island with food, clothing and shelter for 5 years when you came back chances are there be at least 3 of them.
If you stranded a gay couple on an island with food, clothing and shelter for 5 years when you came back they'd be bitching about their lack of closet space, crying about how they missed the ballet, made a FABULOUS new sitting space but there would still just be two of them.[/quote]
And you called democrats biggots in the other thread? My head is spinning...
David85
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One other thing...
I didn't have a closet for the first 18 years of my life, never went to a ballet, and I doubt I ever will. I have no sitting space besides my dad's big chair, an old bean bag, and a folding video game one that my cat uses. I never wanted to have kids, even before I knew I was gay I hated the assholes, the same would be try if I were straight.
You complain when I say all Republicans are assholes, maybe 1-2 aren't. But you show me one, I would like that. I just proved another asshole closemind
ing dumb shit view you have is false.
What a shock.
I didn't have a closet for the first 18 years of my life, never went to a ballet, and I doubt I ever will. I have no sitting space besides my dad's big chair, an old bean bag, and a folding video game one that my cat uses. I never wanted to have kids, even before I knew I was gay I hated the assholes, the same would be try if I were straight.
You complain when I say all Republicans are assholes, maybe 1-2 aren't. But you show me one, I would like that. I just proved another asshole closemind
ing dumb shit view you have is false.What a shock.
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