First Tunisia, Now Egypt

Wow, he's still alive.

But I'm sure you'll find plenty of Christians inside the beltway during the war, during his capture, his trial, and execution.
 
Oh, okay. I see the op ed (written by the MB) that speedracer quotes where the MB talks about peaceful transfer of power in Egypt and then we see that the spiritual leader of Egypt's MB issues a fatwa that anyone who can should kill Kadhafi. And that's not a bit contradictory how?

Thanks for the "well, others have done it too" thing, myke. Isn't that the sort of thing you gripe at other people when they do it?

berzirk - No kidding, he's a bad guy? I had no idea.
 
[quote name='Don Chubo']Oh, okay. I see the op ed (written by the MB) that speedracer quotes where the MB talks about peaceful transfer of power in Egypt and then we see that the spiritual leader of Egypt's MB issues a fatwa that anyone who can should kill Kadhafi. And that's not a bit contradictory how?

Thanks for the "well, others have done it too" thing, myke. Isn't that the sort of thing you gripe at other people when they do it?

berzirk - No kidding, he's a bad guy? I had no idea.[/QUOTE]
I don't see a contradiction. They advocated a peaceful transfer of power in Egypt where bloodshed was limited and the army refused to harm the people. In Libya, they're using foreign mercenaries, helicopter gunships, and airstrikes to massacre dissenters. The streets of Tripoli are lined with the dead, and you have a problem with calling for the death of this man? I think we should carry out his assassination.
 
Don is working backwards from the already cemented opinion that the Muslim Brotherhood is an evil organization. now he's just trying to find evidence to back up his opinion. See this is backwards from the way a logical person forms an opinion.
 
[quote name='Don Chubo']Thanks for the "well, others have done it too" thing, myke. Isn't that the sort of thing you gripe at other people when they do it?[/QUOTE]

you know what else I gripe about? Using one sentence from one person's mouth, hand-selected to represent the entirety of a movement organization to fit someone's preconceived notions of it.

you were quite silent in regard to the MB op-ed last week. now you speak up. show some self-respect.
 
Surprised no one has yet mentioned the brewing civil war in Libya. Now that will cause some major reverberations throughout the Middle East. Here's hoping Gaddafi gets his wish to "die a martyr's death."
 
[quote name='dopa345']Surprised no one has yet mentioned the brewing civil war in Libya. Now that will cause some major reverberations throughout the Middle East. Here's hoping Gaddafi gets his wish to "die a martyr's death."[/QUOTE]

Couldn't agree more. Hopefully it's a slow painful one. For weeks I've been worried about this, as I have quite a few close Libyan friends. This is going to be a bloodbath. Gaddafi would kill every single Libyan if he thought it would keep him in power.
 
From what I understand Libya has no unified military really. they have a base military made up of Libyans, then Gadhafi's sons have security forces in each city that they control, they seem to be where the mercenaries are coming from. The mostly Libyan army seems to have sided with the protestors for the most part, while the son's mercenaries have obviously not.

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/22/133955149/Libya-Update
 
[quote name='mykevermin']you were quite silent in regard to the MB op-ed last week. now you speak up. show some self-respect.[/QUOTE]

What? Show some self-respect? You need to get over yourself, bud. As I believe I said one or more times before, I'm not here to seek your approval.

I shouldn't bother, but just to make you happy - As far as what the MB op ed said, I'm not so sure I believe it. Time will tell.
 
so you don't believe it.

you've found your single sentence from a single person to label the entire organization, and you're sticking with it.

self-respect isn't about my approval. not at all. it's about having respect for yourself as a person who should be thinking critically.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']so you don't believe it.

you've found your single sentence from a single person to label the entire organization, and you're sticking with it.

self-respect isn't about my approval. not at all. it's about having respect for yourself as a person who should be thinking critically.[/QUOTE]

Not just a single person, but a person known as a spiritual leader of the MB - but he's no one special, just one of the guys, right? You want more? Here:

From "a leading member of the MB in Egypt" - "Prepare Egyptians for war with Israel":

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=206130

And let's shut down the Suez Canal and screw everyone!:

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2011...egypt-should-be-ready-for-war-with-israel.php

And MB "godfather" Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawisure sounds peaceful:

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2011/02/20/2011-02-20_egypts_ayatollah.html

Doubtful that's enough data to satisfy, but it's a start.

As far as your little life lesson there, thanks. :eyeroll
 
Holy crap, this is getting to be an amazing revolution of a very large region... Let us hope that somehow our benevolent corporations can move in to assist!
 
What that says to me is that the MB are not nearly as cohesive as some think. Also, with regard to war with Israel, you don't think that shutting off gas delivery to israel would spark a war? You know, as in "If we shut off the gas there may be war, so be prepared".
 
Wow the Libyan rebels sure fucked up bad. They had everything going their way with Gaddafi willing to concede, but still managed to do the dumbest thing they could by cornering him -- who had all the arsenals -- and wanting nothing but his head. What the hell did the rebels think would happen? They're really bunch of stupid rabble rousers who had no plans other than bloodlust. They brought their fate upon themselves and inspired other dictators to follow Gaddafi's example for future protests. fuck you libyan rebels for this major fuck up.
 
seems like the big news outlets are just focused on Libya and Japan right now, so what happened with the Egyptians and the Tunesians now that the dust is settling a bit more?
 
I heard earlier that some Saudi troops had gone into Bahrain to help squash protesting. nothing about Egypt or Tunisia.
 
[quote name='Clak']I heard earlier that some Saudi troops had gone into Bahrain to help squash protesting. nothing about Egypt or Tunisia.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, it's almost as if everything just went hunkydory and now it no longer matters. And they say 24/7 news delivered in 15 minute chunks is a good thing...
 
I did hear something late yesterday on NPR. There was this musician who became kind of a folk hero during the protests. He was recently taken by the military and severely beaten after he began playing at the site of the protests. From that I get that they need to from a new government ASAP, and that their military isn't any more ethical than Mubarak's government was.
 
Not that this has much resonance, but a forum that I post on has driven away an invaluable source of Middle East information (the guy was giving live updates in Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya - I was easily 12 hours ahead of the MSM thanks to that guy) thanks to a rising tide of theocratic/loony Evangelical asshole-ism.
 
[quote name='Clak']I did hear something late yesterday on NPR. There was this musician who became kind of a folk hero during the protests. He was recently taken by the military and severely beaten after he began playing at the site of the protests. From that I get that they need to from a new government ASAP, and that their military isn't any more ethical than Mubarak's government was.[/QUOTE]

Has there really ever been a military take over of a country that went well?
 
Not that I'm aware of. Just surprised they're resorting to the same thuggish tactics that Mubarak did.
 
[quote name='Clak']Not that I'm aware of. Just surprised they're resorting to the same thuggish tactics that Mubarak did.[/QUOTE]
Then compare it to Pinochet.
 
Fair comparison I suppose, hopefully the end result is different. I think the worst part of all of this (meaning the rebellions in the area) is that in Libya the rebels there are actually begging for help from the west, but now we turn a blind eye. we have no problem invading countries which have no business being in, but when we're asked to intervene by a people obviously needing help, now we're already too extended. The hypocrisy blows my mind.
 
well, one can see the political shennanigans since we're trying to show the Arab world that we aren't just gallavanting about with millitary intervention.
 
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