Foley scandal only gets worse for Republicans

Politicians blow eachother.

It was only a matter of time before someone dug something like this up.
 
Ever since I can remember, it's been a long standing premise that congressional pages are the subject of sexual harassment. Why is this such breaking news? Is it becuase of the gay thing that makes it more repugnant or flashier for the press?

I'm still wondering why the parents of a 15 year old page didn't nail Foley's prick to the wall five years ago. If some jackass went after my son as Foley did, you bet your bottom he'd get the ass pounding of his life, then I'd call the police.
 
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What would it take to get evangelicals to abandon their single-mindedness if this situation doesn't appear to have any impact on them?

The irony, of course, is that their larger rationale for comtinuing to support Republican candidates is based on the "individual responsibility" they attribute to Foley, which is engulfed in the "collective responsibility" they apply to both Republicans (positive) and Democrats (negative) in congress.

Moreover, the mental gymnastics they engage in to think that liberal permissiveness of homosexuality is what caused a congressman to *secretly* engage in pederastic behavior and hide in the closet for all these years is amazing.
 
Frankly, the fact that Hastert thwarted an FBI investigation into the $100,000 bribe William Jefferson took is more indicative of the collective criminal behavior coverups of the Congress than some emails that said "penis" to an underage paige. That affects one person while rampant bribery and flagrant disregard for campaign contribtion laws affects us all, or didn't the abramoff scandal really mean anything either?
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Frankly, the fact that Hastert thwarted an FBI investigation into the $100,000 bribe William Jefferson took is more indicative of the collective criminal behavior coverups of the Congress than some emails that said "penis" to an underage paige. That affects one person while rampant bribery and flagrant disregard for campaign contribtion laws affects us all, or didn't the abramoff scandal really mean anything either?[/QUOTE]

Between Tom Reynolds, Kolbe, Hastert, and John Boehner all knowing about this ahead of time (and those are just the ones we know of), you're going to have a damned difficult time convincing me that this is just "more of the same Washington corruption."

You're using a general truism (all politicians are crooked) to make the claim that this isn't a partisan issue; this is *only* the case because there is no evidence that links any Democrats to the revelation and coverup.

Now, is *this* really the same as "saying penis in an email"?

Maf54 (8:03:47 PM) : what you wearing
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:04 PM) : normal clothes
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:09 PM) : tshirt and shorts
Maf54 (8:04:17 PM) : um so a big buldge.
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:35 PM) : ya
Maf54 (8:04:45 PM) : um
Maf54 (8:04:58 PM) : love to slip them off of you
Xxxxxxxxx (8:05:08 PM) : haha
Maf54 (8:05:53 PM) : and gram the one eyed snake
Maf54 (8:06:13 PM) : grab
Xxxxxxxxx (8:06:53 PM) : not tonight...dont get to excited
Maf54 (8:07:12 PM) : well your hard
Xxxxxxxxx (8:07:45 PM) : that is true
Maf54 (8:08:03 PM) : and a little horny
Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:11 PM) : and also tru
Maf54 (8:08:31 PM) : get a ruler and measure it for me
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[quote name='mykevermin']Between Tom Reynolds, Kolbe, Hastert, and John Boehner all knowing about this ahead of time (and those are just the ones we know of), you're going to have a damned difficult time convincing me that this is just "more of the same Washington corruption."

You're using a general truism (all politicians are crooked) to make the claim that this isn't a partisan issue; this is *only* the case because there is no evidence that links any Democrats to the revelation and coverup.

Now, is *this* really the same as "saying penis in an email"?[/QUOTE]

Give me a break. Like this 16 year old hasn't talked the same smack with his highschool boyfriend 100 times over. I maintain, this effects ONE person.

Hastert covering up bribery coruption in the House effects every citizen in the country who believes in the idea of a transparant and truthful government with people who actually do their duty instead of trade favors. But I guess you never cared about that, Myke, you just want to nail republicans and their stench and get those squeaky clean democrats back into power so they can start covering up their own scandals more efficiently again.

And I'm not seeing any evidence of a "cover up". It sure sounds good to scream "scandal" and "coverup" 30 days from a general election, though.
 
*A*ffect. Not *e*ffect.

At any rate, you're intentionally miscontruing what I think and drawing false conclusions from what I said. You've done this so much lately that I'm beginning to feel I severely overestimate your intelligence.

You have seen no evidence of a "cover up" is merely semantic, I suppose. Did they "cover up" anything? No, unless you count Foley's being in the closet all these years. Now, however, the irony that you argue for 'transparent and truthful government' in one sentence and in the very next deny the existence of the fact that known information of Foley's misuse of power and position was hidden from the public eyes...that irony is absolutely *delectable*.

Yet I'm the partisan hack. :rofl:

And you are drawing conclusions, in the absence of evidence, of what this teenager is like. Conclusions based in your world of anecdotal defense of the Republican party: "All we know is he's a male teenager, so he MUST have been playing a prank, or he totally tells dick jokes" is not only (1) unsubstantiated, but (2) does little more than serve as a distraction from the reality of the situation. It's blaming the victim, but blaming the victim based on something completely unrelated to what Foley did.
 
Claiming "Merely semantics" doesn't negate the fact that you haven't offered proof of any "coverup". Then you admit the hiding of foley's sexual orientation is the only real coverup only disproves your claim that this is a scandal that's been obfuscated by republicans. You claimed coverup, why are you now trying to weasel out of it?


No one is blaming the victim here, Foley is an ass for doing what he did and hopefully he'll pay the price for it. Aren't you liberals supposed to be advocates for victims rights? It seems you are all to eager to shame Foley and tie all republicans to his behavior and forget about the fact that there is a person who is the REAL victim here, who will probably never remain anonymous becuase of your party's politcal ambition and lust for reclamation of power by any means necessary. This is a private matter between the victim, foley, and law enforcement. Now, if he were to lie to a grand jury about it his relationship, it would be a diferent story, wouldn't it?
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Claiming "Merely semantics" doesn't negate the fact that you haven't offered proof of any "coverup". Then you admit the hiding of foley's sexual orientation is the only real coverup only disproves your claim that this is a scandal that's been obfuscated by republicans. You claimed coverup, why are you now trying to weasel out of it?[/quote]

I did nothing of the sort, as I will not claim there is no coverup. For a party whose only claim to power in 2004 was marginalizing homosexuals and declaring them legally second class citizens, there was no circumstance or coincidence with regard to hiding Foley's sexuality or his penchant for pederasty.

At least five people in the Republican party have known about this for over a year, including John Boehner and Dennis Hastert, the congressional leadership for the Republican party. Others have known about him for five years; many have defended themselves by trying to work "behind the scenes" to protect pages from Foley (that is, by quietly telling Foley to stay away from pages and vice versa). What Foley engaged in, however, was (and you can see this in the IM above) solicitation of sex from a minor; this is a very illegal activity and he was not charged with anything yet. However, this is knowledge those in the Republican party possessed. That you can't get through your fat head the fact that NO DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN LINKED TO THIS SCANDAL is indicative of your naive belief that because you think all politicians are corrupt, they must be equally corrupt. That's a pisspoor and very false conclusion to come to.

No one is blaming the victim here, Foley is an ass for doing what he did and hopefully he'll pay the price for it. Aren't you liberals supposed to be advocates for victims rights? It seems you are all to eager to shame Foley and tie all republicans to his behavior and forget about the fact that there is a person who is the REAL victim here, who will probably never remain anonymous becuase of your party's politcal ambition and lust for reclamation of power by any means necessary. This is a private matter between the victim, foley, and law enforcement. Now, if he were to lie to a grand jury about it his relationship, it would be a diferent story, wouldn't it?
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James Dobson and Pat Robertson have engaged in blaming the victim.

And it was a right-wing blog, later blown out into the open by Matt Drudge, who exposed the page's identity. Know your facts before blowing it out your ass. It is because of the right wing spin machine that his identity got out.
 
Well, I am not james dobson or pat robertson, please step over your fat head and try not to link me and them together. Thanks.

No one is claiming that any democrats are involved, nor that they are all equally culpable for this 'scandal' becuase they are all corrupt. I'm saying that any alledged "coverup" of this event is nothing compared to the rampant corruption covered up by Foley by thwarting the FBI when claiming congresspeople are above the law and not subject to the rules of investigation that the rest of us ordinary citizens are subject to. Compared to this act, 1 congressman soliciting sex with a minor male page pales in comparison, no matter how many people knew about his behavior.

For someone who supposedly is concerned with government coruption, you certainly have your priorities reversed. Either that or you're just an insincere partisan hack.
 
you can't have it both ways, man. you just can't.

i know that's not true at Burger King, or Quiznos, but in the world outside of your Ford Explorer it just don't cut it.
 
No one answered my previous questions: How old was the subject when it first started, what jurisdiction takes precedent, and what is the legal age of consent in that jurisdiction?

I don't think anyone knows because I don't believe you can prove anything illegal happened, so there's going to be a lot of hoo-hawing, but nothing is ever going to come about it. It's scandalous as hell, but is he more scandalous than Thomas Jefferson? Warren Harding? Nixon? Reagan? Clinton? For Congress, Oakes Ames? Adam Powell? Koreagate? Abscam? (Myers specifically) Keating?

I don't care what he did with someone of a consenting age. When I see proof that he solicited (that's more than I've seen up to this point) sex from a minor, then I'll damn him to hell.
 
I was watching something and it had the religious fuckers from the south on it saying they will still vote Republican because they can't stand the Democratic platform. Shows how dumb and fucked up they are. First off the Democrats don't have a platform besides "we aren't the Republicans". Second the Repubs are just lieing to them and are doing what the religous freaks hate. If gay marriage was going to lead to grown men sleeping with kids then why aren't they more pissed after at the fact that there is a grown man sleeping with kids?! Dumbfuck assholes. We should have let them been their own country so we could have nuked the fuck out of them.

One of the kids was 16 which is fine in Florida but if they fucked in DC (and it sounds like they might have) the age is 18. Still in the end it's not that something illegal happened its the coverup, it's always the coverup. When will people learn!
 
[quote name='David85'] First off the Democrats don't have a platform besides "we aren't the Republicans". [/QUOTE]

Actually, I think that's the Republican platform: We aren't the left. And it's been paying huge dividends.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Actually, I think that's the Republican platform: We aren't the left. And it's been paying huge dividends.[/QUOTE]

See any poll numbers in the past year so?

I cant wait for the elections.
 
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[quote name='Msut77']See any poll numbers in the past year so?

I cant wait for the elections.[/QUOTE]


I rememer the same thing being said by democrats in 04. Unfortunately, they couldn't round up enough people from homeless shelters to swing the vote...
 
[quote name='atreyue']I rememer the same thing being said by democrats in 04. Unfortunately, they couldn't round up enough people from homeless shelters to swing the vote...[/QUOTE]

Willing to stake cash on it Big Chief?
 
[quote name='bmulligan']. If some jackass went after my son as Foley did, you bet your bottom he'd get the ass pounding of his life, then I'd call the police.[/QUOTE]

*pages Dr. Freud*
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Give me a break. Like this 16 year old hasn't talked the same smack with his highschool boyfriend 100 times over. I maintain, this effects ONE person.

Hastert covering up bribery coruption in the House effects every citizen in the country who believes in the idea of a transparant and truthful government with people who actually do their duty instead of trade favors. But I guess you never cared about that, Myke, you just want to nail republicans and their stench and get those squeaky clean democrats back into power so they can start covering up their own scandals more efficiently again.

And I'm not seeing any evidence of a "cover up". It sure sounds good to scream "scandal" and "coverup" 30 days from a general election, though.[/QUOTE]

so... what's worse?

those IM exchanges or saying 'penis' in an email?
 
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