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Jobs Jabs at Eisner, Disney Again


Jobs, the chief executive of both Pixar Animation Studios and Apple Computer Inc., was asked about a dig Eisner took at Pixar last week at an investor conference at Walt Disney World in Florida. Responding to a question about the Burbank entertainment giant's own digital efforts, Eisner described as "pretty pathetic" the computerized human characters created by Pixar, compared with the ones Disney itself is working on with veteran animator Glen Keane, director of the studio's forthcoming film "Rapunzel Unbraided."

Jobs said sarcastically: "Our films don't stack up to 'Atlantis,' 'Emperor's New Groove' or 'Treasure Planet.' "

All three were hand-drawn Disney disappointments.

In the conference call, Jobs kept the focus on Disney. He repeatedly asserted that Pixar — with $850 million in cash and no debt — was ready for a life outside the Magic Kingdom should Pixar and Disney fail to resuscitate their partnership.


Jobs sprinkled his comments with several references to the "post-Disney era," noting that Pixar currently had eight new directors busy at work on non-Disney projects, the first of which will be released in theaters in the summer of 2007.

He also reaffirmed Pixar's seemingly immovable position that the company would "not actively participate" in any sequels to its movies that are made by Disney, including "Toy Story 3" and future installments to "Monsters, Inc." and "Finding Nemo."

Jobs also mentioned Pixar's next release, "Cars," due out in June 2006. He called it "the seventh and final film we will likely make for Disney."


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Personal note: I love this line: Jobs said sarcastically: "Our films don't stack up to 'Atlantis,' 'Emperor's New Groove' or 'Treasure Planet.' " Thats a good burn!
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EDIT: Here is another article on the feud
http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2005/commentary05022403.htm
 
...I thought Emperors New Groove was hilarious...didnt make money, but it was comedically brilliant.

That said, im so happy to see Pixar being stronger than Disney itself....

Pissed at Disney? www.SaveDisney.com
 
Pixar kicks ass. Disney's movies have been shit for a few years now. I'm glad to see Pixar stand up for themselves. They deserve it. They haven't made a bad movie yet.
 
I for one would like to see Disney and Pixar kiss and make up. I would also like to see Steve Jobs take over as CEO of Disney once Eisner steps down. I also think that Disney's computer animation wing will eventually kick butt, heck the practically invented the full lengh animated film. I would think they would revolutionize the computer animated feature film industry as well (I hope).
 
[quote name='mariomarino']I for one would like to see Disney and Pixar kiss and make up. I would also like to see Steve Jobs take over as CEO of Disney once Eisner steps down. I also think that Disney's computer animation wing will eventually kick butt, heck the practically invented the full lengh animated film. I would think they would revolutionize the computer animated feature film industry as well (I hope).[/quote]

Pixar revolutionized it. Period. Disney is on the bandwaggon this time. This time there is NOTHING Disney can do that Pixar wouldnt be able to match or beat... especially where it comes to story. They have maybe 1 or 2 things at disney that stay in story stage for longer than 6 months (Lilo & Stitch, American Dog) while pixar puts a whole year into crafting the story before anything gets put into the computer.

"...heck they practically invented the full lengh animated film." They did, but when you have an incredible man such as Walt Disney behind its creation, its not too surprising. When you have a man like Eisner....
 
The trailer for Disney's Chicken Little did NOT fill me with hope for their CG department. There's just something solid lacking in their design process that Pixar seems to have nailed down.

For disney they're litterally being forced to take up CG because of the dwindling interest in traditional animation which is a shame but still something disney should have seen comming. They would have been at the forefront of digitally animated features if they weren't relying on buying out Pixar when that fell through they were screwed.
 
"For disney they're litterally being forced to take up CG because of the dwindling interest in traditional animation which is a shame but still something disney should have seen comming."

Mostly true. Its when you start having NO story to tell (atlantis, treasure planet...not Disney, but Titan A.E.) that people stop caring. Or trying to be mature for the hell of it when your films are aimed at everyone. I could see Finding nemo/Monsters INC. being hits as 2-d film (with obligatory CGI help), but its because of story, not look
 
[quote name='Wshakspear']but its because of story, not look[/quote]

So very true! Shark Tale (EDIT: Dream Works... not Disney or Pixar) was a lame story with decent graphics... Pixar knows how to tell a story and animate it... Disney, as of late is more concerned about pumping out films.
 
I can't believe Disney wouldn't take just about any deal with Pixar. Even if they got little to no money out of it, think of the value that's added to the Disney brand to have those characters represented at the parks/stores. Pixar is out-Disneying Disney, their characters strike a chord with adults and children alike, something Disney seems to have lost the ability to do.

Toy Story is a decade old. How many Buzz Lightyear items do you think were sold last year compared to Home On The Range merchandise?

I like Disney, but they better not ruin the Toy Story franchise with their non-Pixar sequel.
 
[quote name='megashock5']I like Disney, but they better not ruin the Toy Story franchise with their non-Pixar sequel.[/quote]

Too late.
 
I too thought that ENG was hysterical. I still watch it every few weeks or so.

While I am angry that all the Pixar-established franchises are being handled internally at Disney now, I'm confident that Pixar can stand on their own feet and still produce awesome films. I wish the best of luck to them.
 
Go Pixar!!! Their stories are better than most non-animated movies. I'd like to see them make some films aimed at an older audience as well as the kid-friendly ones.
 
[quote name='legion_stxds'][quote name='Wshakspear']but its because of story, not look[/quote]

So very true! Shark tale (EDIT: dream works... not Disney or Pixar) was a lame story with decent graphics... pixar knows how to tell a story and animate it... Disney, as of late is more concerned about pumping out films.[/quote]

Shark Tales pissed me off in so many ways...
#1 Theme rip-off. Kinda like:
Toy Story - Small Soldiers
A Bugs Life - Antz (Antz was released first, but was put into production after BL was announced)
Now Finding Nemo - Shark Tales
#2 Sells on voice talent alone
#3 sub-par visuals (2 steps behind, 1 year later)
#4 made jack Black suck... :(

[quote name='dastly75']I thought Emperor's New Groove was awesome.[/quote]

I think jobs ment more about how much it took in than anything else...just a nice line of flops, compared to Pixars nice list of humongous blockbusters
 
I hope that both companies continue to do good movies and being seperate companies, maybe it will drive the business forward...I enjoyed 'Treasure Planet, and Atlantis....not as much as monsters inc, or finding nemo..
 
[quote name='Rig']Pixar kicks ass. Disney's movies have been shit for a few years now. I'm glad to see Pixar stand up for themselves. They deserve it. They haven't made a bad movie yet.[/quote]

See: "Finding Nemo." I refuse to put that on the same level as any other Pixar film, especially "A Bug's Life."
 
[quote name='demomanTNA'][quote name='Rig']Pixar kicks ass. Disney's movies have been shit for a few years now. I'm glad to see Pixar stand up for themselves. They deserve it. They haven't made a bad movie yet.[/quote]

See: "Finding Nemo." I refuse to put that on the same level as any other Pixar film, especially "A Bug's Life."[/quote]

I've seen it. It doesn't suck. It too is part of the greatness that is Pixar.
 
I posted this thread because I get a kick out of both Jobs and Eisner taking swipes at each other.
 
[quote name='Rig'][quote name='demomanTNA'][quote name='Rig']Pixar kicks ass. Disney's movies have been shit for a few years now. I'm glad to see Pixar stand up for themselves. They deserve it. They haven't made a bad movie yet.[/quote]

See: "Finding Nemo." I refuse to put that on the same level as any other Pixar film, especially "A Bug's Life."[/quote]

I've seen it. It doesn't suck. It too is part of the greatness that is Pixar.[/quote]

you were not watching the same movie I was. I feel asleep it was so bad
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='dastly75']I thought Emperor's New Groove was awesome.[/quote][/quote]

This is in no way meant to be specifically directed at you sblymn, but why oh why do you just quote something someone else said? If everyone decided to point out when they agree with someone in a message board it would be cluttered as hell.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='dastly75']I thought Emperor's New Groove was awesome.[/quote][/quote]

This is in no way meant to be specifically directed at you sblymn, but why oh why do you just quote something someone else said? If everyone decided to point out when they agree with someone in a message board it would be cluttered as hell.[/quote]

Well instead of quoting I could have just rephrased it. This way means less work for me. ;)
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='dastly75']I thought Emperor's New Groove was awesome.[/quote][/quote]

This is in no way meant to be specifically directed at you sblymn, but why oh why do you just quote something someone else said? If everyone decided to point out when they agree with someone in a message board it would be cluttered as hell.[/quote]

The point is to show support for an idea, it's like someone posts a joke and 20 people post :rofl:. It allows them to gauge how many people enjoyed it or have similar feelings.
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='Mr Unoriginal'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='dastly75']I thought Emperor's New Groove was awesome.[/quote][/quote]

This is in no way meant to be specifically directed at you sblymn, but why oh why do you just quote something someone else said? If everyone decided to point out when they agree with someone in a message board it would be cluttered as hell.[/quote]

Well instead of quoting I could have just rephrased it. This way means less work for me. ;)[/quote]

But why feel the need to reiterate what someone else says? Is someone perhaps making a biography on you and needs to know your opinion on everything?

Don't mean to pick on you, just the post I noticed tonight, I see this all the time. And strangely enough, it's by the people who have a huge post count.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='Mr Unoriginal'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='dastly75']I thought Emperor's New Groove was awesome.[/quote][/quote]

This is in no way meant to be specifically directed at you sblymn, but why oh why do you just quote something someone else said? If everyone decided to point out when they agree with someone in a message board it would be cluttered as hell.[/quote]

Well instead of quoting I could have just rephrased it. This way means less work for me. ;)[/quote]

But why feel the need to reiterate what someone else says? Is someone perhaps making a biography on you and needs to know your opinion on everything?

Don't mean to pick on you, just the post I noticed tonight, I see this all the time. And strangely enough, it's by the people who have a huge post
count.[/quote]

Why are we here if not to express our opinion? And if somebody has already done it adequately, you use the tools provided.
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='Mr Unoriginal'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='Mr Unoriginal'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='dastly75']I thought Emperor's New Groove was awesome.[/quote][/quote]

This is in no way meant to be specifically directed at you sblymn, but why oh why do you just quote something someone else said? If everyone decided to point out when they agree with someone in a message board it would be cluttered as hell.[/quote]

Well instead of quoting I could have just rephrased it. This way means less work for me. ;)[/quote]

But why feel the need to reiterate what someone else says? Is someone perhaps making a biography on you and needs to know your opinion on everything?

Don't mean to pick on you, just the post I noticed tonight, I see this all the time. And strangely enough, it's by the people who have a huge post
count.[/quote]

Why are we here if not to express our opinion? And if somebody has already done it adequately, you use the tools provided.[/quote]

Well I would assume if someone expressed it adequately, then it is been expressed and doesn't need to be stated again. Unless, like I said, someone specifically cares about what every last person thinks.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='Mr Unoriginal'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='Mr Unoriginal'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='dastly75']I thought Emperor's New Groove was awesome.[/quote][/quote]

This is in no way meant to be specifically directed at you sblymn, but why oh why do you just quote something someone else said? If everyone decided to point out when they agree with someone in a message board it would be cluttered as hell.[/quote]

Well instead of quoting I could have just rephrased it. This way means less work for me. ;)[/quote]

But why feel the need to reiterate what someone else says? Is someone perhaps making a biography on you and needs to know your opinion on everything?

Don't mean to pick on you, just the post I noticed tonight, I see this all the time. And strangely enough, it's by the people who have a huge post
count.[/quote]

Why are we here if not to express our opinion? And if somebody has already done it adequately, you use the tools provided.[/quote]

Well I would assume if someone expressed it adequately, then it is been expressed and doesn't need to be stated again. Unless, like I said, someone specifically cares about what every last person thinks.[/quote]

Everyone chimes in with their opinion regardless of it's prior expression. I don't know how they operate message boards in Amish country, but that's how this whole thing usually works. ;)

I think we've gone off topic enough for one thread, don't you?

And back toward the topic I'd like to say that while pixar is artistically brilliant in a technical sense their artistic style fails to impress.
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']And back toward the topic I'd like to say that while pixar is artistically brilliant in a technical sense their artistic style fails to impress.[/quote]
 
Emperors new groove was funny, but the art was pretty crappy.... the last disney movie made that I liked (non pixar) was Aladin 3, but that was because of Robin Williams. I thought Treasure Planet and Titan AE were both good moives... "No, we are not naming the planet Bob..."
 
[quote name='Xevious']
Jobs sprinkled his comments with several references to the "post-Disney era," noting that Pixar currently had eight new directors busy at work on non-Disney projects, the first of which will be released in theaters in the summer of 2007.
[/quote]
Thats a lot of projects. How many employees do they have at Pixar?
 
[quote name='Kaijufan'][quote name='Xevious']
Jobs sprinkled his comments with several references to the "post-Disney era," noting that Pixar currently had eight new directors busy at work on non-Disney projects, the first of which will be released in theaters in the summer of 2007.
[/quote]
Thats a lot of projects. How many employees do they have at Pixar?[/quote]

730 in 2003, and they've added more since. Also, a lot of these directors are actually outside help, kinda like Brad Bird with the incredibles
 
Disney seems to lack creative with their newest films. I believe that last movie they made had like kung-fu cows or something. It was kinda disturbing to me. Bad taste in mouth.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback'][quote name='Rig'][quote name='demomanTNA'][quote name='Rig']Pixar kicks ass. Disney's movies have been shit for a few years now. I'm glad to see Pixar stand up for themselves. They deserve it. They haven't made a bad movie yet.[/quote]

See: "Finding Nemo." I refuse to put that on the same level as any other Pixar film, especially "A Bug's Life."[/quote]

I've seen it. It doesn't suck. It too is part of the greatness that is Pixar.[/quote]

you were not watching the same movie I was. I feel asleep it was so bad[/quote]

I didn't know there were haters! :D While I didn't enjoy the movie as much as their previous films, I still thought it was a good movie; way better than any animated film put out by Disney in recent years.
 
[quote name='mariomarino']Unless I am mistaken Lilo and Stitch did pretty kick ass business. A glance at www.boxofficemojo.com shows it did $273 million worldwide. Which is impressive for a non-CG film nowadays.[/quote]

Thats why Jobs didnt mention it. It was a good film, done for cheap, but not cheaply. The people who made the movie actually cared. That makes a big difference in quality and eventually box office
 
[quote name='Wshakspear'][quote name='mariomarino']Unless I am mistaken Lilo and Stitch did pretty kick ass business. A glance at www.boxofficemojo.com shows it did $273 million worldwide. Which is impressive for a non-CG film nowadays.[/quote]

Thats why Jobs didnt mention it. It was a good film, done for cheap, but not cheaply. The people who made the movie actually cared. That makes a big difference in quality and eventually box office[/quote]

True dat! Maybe Disney should stick to traditional animation in the same way Capcom should stick with the 2d fighter.

I think Disney animation is currently in the funk they were in during the late 60's and all the 70's. Hopefully they'll go through another renaissance like they did in the 80's and early 90's.
 
[quote name='mariomarino'][quote name='Wshakspear'][quote name='mariomarino']Unless I am mistaken Lilo and Stitch did pretty kick ass business. A glance at www.boxofficemojo.com shows it did $273 million worldwide. Which is impressive for a non-CG film nowadays.[/quote]

Thats why Jobs didnt mention it. It was a good film, done for cheap, but not cheaply. The people who made the movie actually cared. That makes a big difference in quality and eventually box office[/quote]

True dat! Maybe Disney should stick to traditional animation in the same way Capcom should stick with the 2d fighter.

I think Disney animation is currently in the funk they were in during the late 60's and all the 70's. Hopefully they'll go through another renaissance like they did in the 80's and early 90's.[/quote]

They completely obliterated thier 2-d animation staff. There's almost nothing left. When they wanted to turn the Tommorow Land ride "Extra Terrorestrial encounter" into a Stitch ride, they outsourced the animation to Australia...ouch.
 
[quote name='mariomarino']Unless I am mistaken Lilo and Stitch did pretty kick ass business. A glance at www.boxofficemojo.com shows it did $273 million worldwide. Which is impressive for a non-CG film nowadays.[/quote]

Didn't they turn around and make a crappy sequal?
 
Besides Toy Story and The Incredibles (which I haven't seen but preordered the DVD anyway) I haven't liked any of the other pixar films. During that time Disney has released at least 2 quality films; Mulan and The Emperor's New Groove. So to me it's a toss up at best with the edge going to disney. Too bad they don't seem interested in the 2D thing anymore.
 
[quote name='Rig'][quote name='mariomarino']Unless I am mistaken Lilo and Stitch did pretty kick ass business. A glance at www.boxofficemojo.com shows it did $273 million worldwide. Which is impressive for a non-CG film nowadays.[/quote]

Didn't they turn around and make a crappy sequal?[/quote]

They made Stitch!: The movie which ties in with the TV show. Mostly crap.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']Cant wait for Robots...Anything with Robin Williams has to be funny as hell[/quote]

From the makers of Ice Age, WB. WB has the "luck" of just making the movies and not getting railed into. They arn't directly against each other as Dreamworks and Pixar/Disney were. They'll also have the Ep 3 full trailer, so they'll get some help from that.
 
[quote name='Wshakspear'][quote name='integralsmatic']Cant wait for Robots...Anything with Robin Williams has to be funny as hell[/quote]

From the makers of Ice Age, WB. WB has the "luck" of just making the movies and not getting railed into. They arn't directly against each other as Dreamworks and Pixar/Disney were. They'll also have the Ep 3 full trailer, so they'll get some help from that.[/quote]

It's Fox, more specifically Fox Animation & Blue Sky Studios I think (who did Ice Age and some of Titan AE), not WB.
 
I posted another article from fool.com in the Original Post. Its an interesting perspective on the Pixar/Disney feud.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='Wshakspear'][quote name='integralsmatic']Cant wait for Robots...Anything with Robin Williams has to be funny as hell[/quote]

From the makers of Ice Age, WB. WB has the "luck" of just making the movies and not getting railed into. They arn't directly against each other as Dreamworks and Pixar/Disney were. They'll also have the Ep 3 full trailer, so they'll get some help from that.[/quote]

It's Fox, more specifically Fox Animation & Blue Sky Studios I think (who did Ice Age and some of Titan AE), not WB.[/quote]

...crap. your right. Thanks for correcting that...i thought something was off. At least the same stuff applies...
 
[quote name='Wshakspear'][quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='Wshakspear'][quote name='integralsmatic']Cant wait for Robots...Anything with Robin Williams has to be funny as hell[/quote]

From the makers of Ice Age, WB. WB has the "luck" of just making the movies and not getting railed into. They arn't directly against each other as Dreamworks and Pixar/Disney were. They'll also have the Ep 3 full trailer, so they'll get some help from that.[/quote]

It's Fox, more specifically Fox Animation & Blue Sky Studios I think (who did Ice Age and some of Titan AE), not WB.[/quote]

...crap. your right. Thanks for correcting that...i thought something was off. At least the same stuff applies...[/quote]

Too true and personally one other reason I think the FOx Animated films did well was the great voice casting they do. They get an excellent cast to voice the characters. IMO Titan AE which didn't do nearly as hot as they thought it would, was well voiced.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='Wshakspear'][quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='Wshakspear'][quote name='integralsmatic']Cant wait for Robots...Anything with Robin Williams has to be funny as hell[/quote]

From the makers of Ice Age, WB. WB has the "luck" of just making the movies and not getting railed into. They arn't directly against each other as Dreamworks and Pixar/Disney were. They'll also have the Ep 3 full trailer, so they'll get some help from that.[/quote]

It's Fox, more specifically Fox Animation & Blue Sky Studios I think (who did Ice Age and some of Titan AE), not WB.[/quote]

...crap. your right. Thanks for correcting that...i thought something was off. At least the same stuff applies...[/quote]

Too true and personally one other reason I think the FOx Animated films did well was the great voice casting they do. They get an excellent cast to voice the characters. IMO Titan AE which didn't do nearly as hot as they thought it would, was well voiced.[/quote]

True. They got people who fit the parts, but they still aimed a bit high as far as marquee names go. Pixar gets people on voice and compassion alone, and i love them for that.
 
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