Format War - HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray - *Its Over...Toshiba Swings White Flag*

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Warner is going to stay neutral as much as possible becuase High-Def sales, besides major releases are losing money. Even some big name releases are losing money on specific formats. So, they're going to try and make as much of that money back as possible by standing on both formats until something dramatic happens.

As for them going exclusive, my best guess would be May since that's when Q1 releases are announced for DVD usually.
 
[quote name='Richlough']This thread needs to be re-titled 'The Official Blu-Ray Circle Jerk' .[/QUOTE]

If it's a circle jerk of any sort, it's the A/V snobs advice thread. Which I'm digging.

At any rate, it's not up to me to defend HD DVD, so rather than pout, you should defend your chosen format like the valiant knight you are. ;)

If you wanna see a circle jerk, check out the blu-ray.com forums. Some of those cats give Gizmo a run for his money in terms of blissful ignorance (and I say that as a BD supporter).
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123695

3500 posts of HD fanboys jerking off over the inferior format. Everyone jerks it somewhere, some are just more inclusive because they have a little bit of confidence.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, with Linkin spending $100 importing 2 movies. I have HD DVD, but I know blu ray has won & is superior. I'm not crazy pshyco about my format, all I want is HD movies.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']I think that this much crushes the rumors of Warner going exclusive with Blu-Ray...
hd_dvd_ces_sm.jpg


http://www.soundadviceblog.com/?p=705
Now this could mean that they'll become HD DVD exclusive....or just continue to stay neutral.[/QUOTE]Big deal. Paramount had 5 titles announced on Blu-Ray, and Blades of Glory was sent to reviewers already, yet they had no problem of going HD-DVD exclusive. That's pretty weak if you guys have to go by a little pamphlet that wasn't even sent out by Warner Brothers.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123695

3500 posts of HD fanboys jerking off over the inferior format. Everyone jerks it somewhere, some are just more inclusive because they have a little bit of confidence.[/QUOTE]

Wow, way to be a jackass.

This thread has turned into Blu-Ray jerkoff fest part 2 because honestly, who wants to post/debate anything in here?

Posting anything even slightly against Blu results in getting dogpiled by 10 different posters. You could post a response to all of them but it doesn't matter because it will all be ignored or boiled down to one sentence or completely shrugged off. You can bring every fact, number, quote, prediction or piece of history to this thread and it doesn't matter since it will written off as stupid while everybody continues posting dumb shit like "blu ray has won & is superior" or "if Universal doesn't go neutral soon, HDM will never get off the ground because the only way is the Bluway :downsface:"

At least with dallow and a few others in here, they attempt to pretend that they are in here under the guise of "debating the format war". You don't even do that. You only pop up to spew some type of pro-Blu nonsense with the facts completely twisted.

[quote name='CaseyRyback']Why do people who back HD DVD think Warner is going to go HD exclusive? Didn't they already try that and realize that it didn't work out for them? Then again looking at who their parent company is, it wouldn't suprise me if they made the dumbest decision possible.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, who knows? It could be because they were one of the three original companies that were HD-DVD exclusive during the pre-launch before two decided to go neutral at the last minute (guess who the other one was, that's right Paramount). It could be because they are constantly pushing the interactive envelope on HD-DVD while they are stuck holding their dick waiting for Sony to get their shit together on the Blu side. It could be because just last month they formed a group with Microsoft, Universal and Toshiba dedicated to promoting HDi. It could be because the CEO (guess I should say former CEO coming January 1st) has been quoted that he doesn't feel that a game console will "drive the conversion". Maybe they realized that standalone sales are where it's really at after looking at the attach rates between the two. Maybe they finally understood just how many players can be potentially sold thanks to Toshiba's "firesale stunt". Or shit maybe it's as simple as they realized that at the moment they really aren't profiting that much off of this whole HDM thing, so why not let some sucker give them a big novelty check during these blah times and later on during the :bouncy: times they can just go neutral again while just porting over all of the discs they already released.

That being said, that doesn't mean Warner is a lock. I'm just pointing out how stupid it is to write off a side without look at the past or even attempting to put yourself in their shoes of the company and look at why they would do something.
 
I will never try to think like someone who works for a company that merged with AOL, forced out Ted Turner, and lost billions and billions of dollars due to bad decisions. Trying to wrap your head around the mind of Time Warner is a lost cause.

Also I love how you are acting like you are above the fray or something and like his comment wasn't meant to derive that reaction. I believe you called myke a dick a few weeks back, linkin called blu ray supporters smurfs, and aside from dick riding cheapy so hard all rich knows how to do is worship his xbox and hd player (in some ways he acts like gizmo jr.). Sorry that some of us don't see the point in spending 50 dollars to import a movie to support a format and that the raw data shows that Blu Ray is winning throughout the world.
 
Nice find myke.

As usual, geko is the most respectable guy here. I'm glad he's purple.

I watched 20 Millions Miles to Earth last night.
All I have to say is, 'neat'.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Wow, way to be a jackass.[/QUOTE]

I'm not the guy trying to genuinely misinform the public and creating a public aura like I have insider knowledge, when I'm just another schmuck behind a keyboard, just like Gizmo.

I point out the kind of pure bullshit (not "FUD," not misinformation, not anything but pure, 100%, undistilled, I-don't-have-a-fuckin-clue BULLSHIT) Gizmo's tossing around, and you manage to still imagine me as the bad guy here? :shock:

:lol: Whatever blows yer skirt up, ponch.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Also I love how you are acting like you are above the fray or something and like his comment wasn't meant to derive that reaction. I believe you called myke a dick a few weeks back, linkin called blu ray supporters smurfs, and aside from dick riding cheapy so hard all rich knows how to do is worship his xbox and hd player (in some ways he acts like gizmo jr.). Sorry that some of us don't see the point in spending 50 dollars to import a movie to support a format and that the raw data shows that Blu Ray is winning throughout the world.[/QUOTE]

Myke is and will forever be a stupid dick, no matter what format he backs or where he posts.

Me and the people who like HD-DVD aren't some type of single minded group. I actually have my own opinions and have had some decent discussions about them here. This thread was never good but right now it's at it's lowest point. Every sane person has taken off leaving only the zealots and trolls behind.

Who spends money (never have I dropped $50 on a single movie) to solely support a format? I spend money on imports to watch movies I really enjoy in HD. Notice how most of my imports are movies that haven't been released on either format in America yet. How, thanks to HD-DVD being region free, I haven't been forced into buying an overpriced player for the 5+ movies I really want.

The raw data maybe showing that Blu-Ray is winning but if you actually looked at the facts, the situation isn't so rosey on either side.

Toshiba sold 90,000 players alone during their special weekend Wal-Mart sale.

HD-DVD only has something like 800,000 players sold but somehow it's sold about 2 million disc. Blu-Ray has something like 6 million players out there but they've only sold 3 million disc.

The Transformers DVD sold more copies in IT'S FIRST WEEK than all Blu-Ray and HD-DVD sales COMBINED since their launch.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm not the guy trying to genuinely misinform the public and creating a public aura like I have insider knowledge, when I'm just another schmuck behind a keyboard, just like Gizmo.

I point out the kind of pure bullshit (not "FUD," not misinformation, not anything but pure, 100%, undistilled, I-don't-have-a-fuckin-clue BULLSHIT) Gizmo's tossing around, and you manage to still imagine me as the bad guy here? :shock:

:lol: Whatever blows yer skirt up, ponch.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I didn't know I was BFFs with Gizmo because he prefers the same format as I do.

What's next? Are you going to ask me how I dislike you when the EVIL DVD FORUM/TOSHIBA/M$ HACKED BLU-RAY.COM!!!!!
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Myke is and will forever be a stupid dick, no matter what format he backs or where he posts.[/QUOTE]

fixed. and duly noted, I might add!
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Posting anything even slightly against Blu results in getting dogpiled by 10 different posters.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure what you're talking about here. The only time I've seen this happen is when GizmoGC used to come in here and spread misinformation. I don't see anything wrong with "dogpiling" misinformation, I think anyone would agree with that. Since he's admitted to being a troll and stopped posting here, it's been a lot more civil around here. But way to point out those who opposed the problem, rather than the problem.
 
Sporadic, I thought most of your movie purchases were blind buys.
You buy most everything it seems.

Who were the 'so called' sane guys that used to post here?
Ruined? lol

Geko is here.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Sorry, I didn't know I was BFFs with Gizmo because he prefers the same format as I do.

What's next? Are you going to ask me how I dislike you when the EVIL DVD FORUM/TOSHIBA/M$ HACKED BLU-RAY.COM!!!!![/QUOTE]

That's exactly what I think. I'd also surely expect, were I to claim to be an industry insider at, say, AVS, and begin posting cryptic messages claiming that I know for a fact that Universal is going Blu-exclusive at CES, that you wouldn't decry me or my bullshit claims, but, rather, the person who posts in the format war thread "hey, you wouldn't BELIEVE the bullshit myke's spewin' over at AVS!!!"

Since that's what you've done, after all.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm not the guy trying to genuinely misinform the public and creating a public aura like I have insider knowledge, when I'm just another schmuck behind a keyboard, just like Gizmo.

I point out the kind of pure bullshit (not "FUD," not misinformation, not anything but pure, 100%, undistilled, I-don't-have-a-fuckin-clue BULLSHIT) Gizmo's tossing around, and you manage to still imagine me as the bad guy here? :shock:

:lol: Whatever blows yer skirt up, ponch.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the kind words, Myke!

I love how a post I make over at HighDefForums (which is a joke forum in itself), somehow gets carried over to Blu-ray.com, which I'm of course banned from for saying that I own HD DVD and liked Transformers.

I am also now a paid shill, even though Ive used the name "GizmoDVD" for 8 years. The sad thing is Penton Man is not an insider and was kicked off AVS for not providing any sources for his wrong information he spread throughout the months. The Blu guys just love him over there. Apparently Warner has already picked Blu-ray, its a done deal, but go buy Warner Blu-rays to show support :lol:
This thread is just a Blu-ray jerkoff circle. No sense in coming here anymore. What once was enjoyable became "Blu-ray is better! HD DUD sucks". No sesne replying as it gets attacked by 10 different people. Yawn.
 
Oh, the best part is that I started the Disney Neutral thread with

Will they?

FACT: Disney has voted not once, but TWICE for approval and continued testing of the TL51 discs. No other Blu-ray studio has done so.
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Which is a fact. Now I am an insider. Awesome.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Thanks for the kind words, Myke!

I love how a post I make over at HighDefForums (which is a joke forum in itself), somehow gets carried over to Blu-ray.com, which I'm of course banned from for saying that I own HD DVD and liked Transformers.

I am also now a paid shill, even though Ive used the name "GizmoDVD" for 8 years. The sad thing is Penton Man is not an insider and was kicked off AVS for not providing any sources for his wrong information he spread throughout the months. The Blu guys just love him over there. Apparently Warner has already picked Blu-ray, its a done deal, but go buy Warner Blu-rays to show support :lol:
This thread is just a Blu-ray jerkoff circle. No sense in coming here anymore. What once was enjoyable became "Blu-ray is better! HD DUD sucks". No sesne replying as it gets attacked by 10 different people. Yawn.[/quote]Yeah, your "That's what you get when you have an unfinished spec." comments were enjoyable.

We miss you.
How was GirlsGoneWild btw?
 
[quote name='dallow']Yeah, your "That's what you get when you have an unfinished spec." comments were enjoyable.

We miss you.
How was GirlsGoneWild btw?[/QUOTE]

Awwww.....really?

Myke doesn't, but he's a tool anyway.

GirlsGoneWild sucks. It looks like an upconverted DVD (at best) and its only some boobs and a few instances of girl masturbation. No hardcore, no girl on girl (like other videos I assume. From commercials Ive seen...:lol: ).

GizmoDVD is no insider, he's a purple nitwit who is solely devoted to HD DVD (despite his 37+ Blu-Ray movies). He was, for a long period of time, a major nuisance over at Cheap Ass Gamer's Format War thread (he uses the name GizmoGC there, but it's the same dude) - but as many of the people who frequented that thread either went purple or remained Blu, he disappeared.

He's no insider, he's certainly not paid (I'd want my money back, personally). He's an admitted troll, and also someone who is known for wholesale posting of other person's posts at the CAG forums and elsewhere while taking credit for it. He's surely absolutely *gleeful* that y'all are mentioning him in the same breath as DV and rdjam - and I am willing to bet he does read this thread. At the end of the day, he's just another Chad Warden kinda cat; an unpaid shill for something he himself isn't fully committed to (since 1/3 of his hidef movies are BD), and a childish prat who just wants to stir things up.

Frankly, I'm amazed that y'all are paranoid enough such that you can't see through his guise. Lawd a'mighty it's paperthin.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't post for a few weeks and I go away! Its called watching movies and not circle jerking myself.
 
[quote name='dallow']Sucks about GGW. :)[/QUOTE]

There is no "sucking" anywhere. Sigh.

To eBay it goes (where I'm sure it will sell for more then I paid :applause: )
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Thanks for the kind words, Myke!

I love how a post I make over at HighDefForums (which is a joke forum in itself), somehow gets carried over to Blu-ray.com, which I'm of course banned from for saying that I own HD DVD and liked Transformers.

I am also now a paid shill, even though Ive used the name "GizmoDVD" for 8 years. The sad thing is Penton Man is not an insider and was kicked off AVS for not providing any sources for his wrong information he spread throughout the months. The Blu guys just love him over there. Apparently Warner has already picked Blu-ray, its a done deal, but go buy Warner Blu-rays to show support :lol:
This thread is just a Blu-ray jerkoff circle. No sense in coming here anymore. What once was enjoyable became "Blu-ray is better! HD DUD sucks". No sesne replying as it gets attacked by 10 different people. Yawn.[/QUOTE]

Don't get me wrong, the blu-ray.com forums are dreadful, particularly the insider forums. There is useful information there every now and then however, and it warrants a look once a week or so.

That said, you're trying to change the subject when you have tried to position yourself as an insider, and also have made claims that Disney was going neutral/red. Of course, that's as likely as seeing Halo 3 on the PS3 by the end of 2007 - but that doesn't stop the paranoid nailbiters over at the blu-ray forums from freaking out about it. It doesn't make you credible, it doesn't make you anything - just a successful liar and troll. Congratulations for you! A bunch of nobodies are dropping your name like you're someone important! Go down to th' sports shop and get yourself a trophy made; you're in a league with "rdjam" or some shit!

:lol:

Again, the blu-ray.com forums are highly silly and argumentative - but that doesn't change the fact that you *are* an admitted troll, you *are* an admitted liar, you *are* someone who wholesale takes other people's words and posts them elsewhere as if they were your own, and you *are* someone who has 50+ Blu-Ray discs but claims to be "red." :lol:

In other words, you can claim anything you want, but I'm still, as always, oh-so-totally fuckin' right.

[quote name='GizmoGC']Myke doesn't, but he's a tool anyway.[/QUOTE]

You can say that when you find me posting over at AVS tellin' folks that my insider sources are telling me Universal's going blu-exclusive at CES because some Universal representatives were spotted touring BD replication plants. :lol: ;)
 
[quote name='guyver2077']was anyone expecting ggw to be good? who would buy that crap anyways..[/quote]

You should be downloading GGW for free, like a normal person :shame:

Do people really want to see porn in high-def, I'm not sure I want to see that much detail.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Don't get me wrong, the blu-ray.com forums are dreadful, particularly the insider forums. There is useful information there every now and then however, and it warrants a look once a week or so.

That said, you're trying to change the subject when you have tried to position yourself as an insider, and also have made claims that Disney was going neutral/red. [/QUOTE]

When did I say I was an insider?
Disney voted twice for TL51...thats a fact. Thats how I started the thread. I posted quotes from other forums and said so.

Again, the blu-ray.com forums are highly silly and argumentative - but that doesn't change the fact that you *are* an admitted troll, you *are* an admitted liar, you *are* someone who wholesale takes other people's words and posts them elsewhere as if they were your own, and you *are* someone who has 50+ Blu-Ray discs but claims to be "red."
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You can call me whatever you want, I couldn't give two shits. I really feel sad for Blu-ray because it has turned many people who bought PS3 into these little trolls that have to do something because their console of choice is an utter failure. I didn't know I was a liar. When did I ever make statements like "Warner WILL go HD DVD exclusive at CES. I know, I'm an insider". This whole thread has gone to shit because you can't even post anything without it being picked apart and make Pro-Blu.
 
[quote name='dpatel']I'm not sure what you're talking about here. The only time I've seen this happen is when GizmoGC used to come in here and spread misinformation. I don't see anything wrong with "dogpiling" misinformation, I think anyone would agree with that. Since he's admitted to being a troll and stopped posting here, it's been a lot more civil around here. But way to point out those who opposed the problem, rather than the problem.[/quote]
I agree with this rebuttal, and would just like to add, whenever geko comes in here and posts anything pro-hd-dvd, we support it, and talk about it. For example, when Disney voted on the 51gb HD-DVD's we supported it because he had a source to back it up. When Transformers sold 115,000 (I think that ended up being the official #) We supported it because there was sources. When we found out that the HD-DVD prices were going to be a one day sale, we said that's would be a good deal and hard to resist. And when Paramount went HD-DVD exclusive we all complained about that too.

Only time you saw us Blu-ray guys dismiss HD-DVD facts is when Gizmo came in and said total sales didn't matter because HD-DVD has higher attach rates, Neilson numbers don't matter because they don't include Wal-Mart, Blu-ray sucks because Sony runs it, When Gizmo would count The PS3 when it hurts blu-ray but not when it supports it, etc.

Things have gotten a lot better around here lately and I agree with Dpatel, and a lot more civil.

And Myke, can't you just ignore him already? I have seen you pwn him too many times it's laughable. ;)
 
Well, this is a fuggin' muddle. I just scanned through about 30 pages of this thread and don't feel any more knowledgeable about either format than when I came in. Nice work, guys.

The format war strikes me as being high comedy. Both formats are pretty heavily entrenched with enough consumers invested in one or the other (or both!) to ensure a sizeable wave of massively pissed off people who would feel they would be out hundreds and hundreds of dollars if the rug gets pulled.

I'm expecting both formats to limp along till digital distribution becomes more viable for high def content, at which point Sony and Toshiba will blow noise makers, shake hands heartily, and raise a toast to each other. Till then I'll be taking advantage of whatever deals come my way and enjoying the economically foolish benefits of high def agnosticism.
 
[quote name='Scobie']Well, this is a fuggin' muddle. I just scanned through about 30 pages of this thread and don't feel any more knowledgeable about either format than when I came in. Nice work, guys.

The format war strikes me as being high comedy. Both formats are pretty heavily entrenched with enough consumers invested in one or the other (or both!) to ensure a sizeable wave of massively pissed off people who would feel they would be out hundreds and hundreds of dollars if the rug gets pulled.

I'm expecting both formats to limp along till digital distribution becomes more viable for high def content, at which point Sony and Toshiba will blow noise makers, shake hands heartily, and raise a toast to each other. Till then I'll be taking advantage of whatever deals come my way and enjoying the economically foolish benefits of high def agnosticism.[/quote]

I wouldn't be counting on DD anytime soon. This country is way way way far off considering the fact we still haven't switched to a digital signal AND the fact that we still have a very low broadband penetration.
 
[quote name='Scobie']Well, this is a fuggin' muddle. I just scanned through about 30 pages of this thread and don't feel any more knowledgeable about either format than when I came in. Nice work, guys.

The format war strikes me as being high comedy. Both formats are pretty heavily entrenched with enough consumers invested in one or the other (or both!) to ensure a sizeable wave of massively pissed off people who would feel they would be out hundreds and hundreds of dollars if the rug gets pulled.

I'm expecting both formats to limp along till digital distribution becomes more viable for high def content, at which point Sony and Toshiba will blow noise makers, shake hands heartily, and raise a toast to each other. Till then I'll be taking advantage of whatever deals come my way and enjoying the economically foolish benefits of high def agnosticism.[/QUOTE]

I can see digital distribution as a replacement of the physical rental services, but not the home video market. And as you noted, DD is not going to hit it big anytime soon since internet access makes downloading a 19gb hd file a long process for the average internet user. Once the basic DSL/Cable packages become fast enough for to download an HD movie in a few minutes, I'll be the first to ditch my BB total access account for whatever company has the best offer.
 
[quote name='doctorfaustus']I can see digital distribution as a replacement of the physical rental services, but not the home video market. And as you noted, DD is not going to hit it big anytime soon since internet access makes downloading a 19gb hd file a long process for the average internet user. Once the basic DSL/Cable packages become fast enough for to download an HD movie in a few minutes, I'll be the first to ditch my BB total access account for whatever company has the best offer.[/QUOTE]


Agreed, but I will always want to own physical copies of my favorite movies.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']Agreed, but I will always want to own physical copies of my favorite movies.[/QUOTE]

Same here, I get all warm and toasty looking at my neatly-shelved HD DVD collection.

Also, I noticed today at Costco that their SONY HDNA display is hooked up to an HD DVD player (resting on top of a blu-ray player) playing the latest Harry Potter. Could this be a signal of the impending demise of Blu ray ;) JK
 
Digital Distribution won't be #1 until you can download hundreds of gigabytes as if they were megabytes right now, aka in minutes. And if prices of those digital distribution prices are the same as the physical medium, it's not going to fly either. So, it's going to be a while before it's big.

I'm just curious, since Target said they're going BR exclusive (they did, right?), have any big named stores said they're going HD-DVD exclusive?
 
[quote name='KingBroly']I'm just curious, since Target said they're going BR exclusive (they did, right?), have any big named stores said they're going HD-DVD exclusive?[/quote] Like many things, it's a lot more nuanced than that. Target went Blu-Ray exclusive for standalone players for the duration of Q4 07. Basically this means that from October 1 through next monday, they can't sell any Toshiba or Venturer HD DVD players. Movies and consoles are unaffected, ie they still sell HD DVD titles and carry the 360 addon.

Will they carry HD DVD standalones in '08? Who knows. It seems relatively likely with the appearance of the Venturer player and the recent price drops on the Toshibas, but obviously nothing is certain until they're on the shelves.

Just realized I didn't answer your main question. No, I'm not aware of any stores signing an HD DVD exclusivity/promotion deal with Toshiba as Target did with Sony.
 
I realize this is slightly off topic, but this thread seems to be my best bet for a good answer.

The question: Does anyone know of any good forums/message boards for audiophiles. I can take pm responses to not clog the thread.

Thanks
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']Agreed, but I will always want to own physical copies of my favorite movies.[/QUOTE]

I used to feel that way about music, but I haven't bought a CD in ages. Judging by how everything else has gone, we're almost certainly less than 10 years away from 1080p movie d/l's. As it is, the 720p d/l's from XBLM are reasonable at under 7gb. It's a push-it-overnight project, but it basically works, although the DRM is overly restrictive.

I'm sure the format war can rage on long enough for the digital distribution goal to come into reach. Of course, if the HD-DVD camp would get off their asses and drop the combo disc concept which seems to be driving prices $5-10 higher and get down to a $20 price point for new releases (which shouldn't be hard, if it's true that they're cheaper to produce), this game would be over.

If pressed, I'd admit that I would prefer the storage capacity of Bluray, but HD-DVD quality is fine, so I'd be easily persuaded by lower pricepoints.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']I really feel sad for Blu-ray because it has turned many people who bought PS3 into these little trolls that have to do something because their console of choice is an utter failure.[/QUOTE]

I'd like to know your reasoning behind this, but you'll probably avoid the question like always: How is the PS3 an 'utter failure', yet HD-DVD is not?
 
[quote name='dpatel']I'd like to know your reasoning behind this, but you'll probably avoid the question like always: How is the PS3 an 'utter failure', yet HD-DVD is not?[/QUOTE]

I own 3 HD DVD players and zero PS3's .

So in my house , it's losing 3 to nothing .
 
[quote name='Scobie']Well, this is a fuggin' muddle. I just scanned through about 30 pages of this thread and don't feel any more knowledgeable about either format than when I came in. Nice work, guys.

The format war strikes me as being high comedy.[/QUOTE]

Yes.

So, what questions do you have that we can answer?
 
Do they keep breaking on you too Rich? I'm on my third Dreamcast.
[quote name='happy']I realize this is slightly off topic, but this thread seems to be my best bet for a good answer.

The question: Does anyone know of any good forums/message boards for audiophiles. I can take pm responses to not clog the thread.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Hope you read this.

Definitly visit http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/ and www.avsforum.com
 
[quote name='mykevermin']So, what questions do you have that we can answer?[/QUOTE]

I guess I'm curious why so many people treat this like backing their favorite football team. Both formats are pretty darn good. One has higher storage capacity, one has better integrated features and a potentially cheaper pricepoint.

So, what gives? Why are you blu, Myke? Why is Rich red? And simply, why is Gizmo anything at all?
 
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