Format War - HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray - *Its Over...Toshiba Swings White Flag*

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[quote name='dallow']HD audio doesn't mean 7.1.

There are only a handful of titles that have real discrete 7.1.[/QUOTE]

I know, that's why I listed both 7.1 and a receiver that could do HD audio seperately.

7.1 I'm in no rush do to space concerns and the dearth of titles that support real 7.1.

HD I'm in no rush as I'm not an audiophile so I'm in no hurry to shell out the $$$ for that.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Why would Apple include a BD drive in their products when Bill Gates is involved there?[/quote]

huh? Apple and Bill Gates? Really? :whistle2:s
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Why would Apple include a BD drive in their products when Bill Gates is involved there?[/QUOTE]

His 49% equity was sold back to Apple a long, long, long time ago.

Moreover, Apple is a member of the BDA, so there is at least a tiny connection b/w the two groups.
 
[quote name='dallow']Doesn't matter, guess it's neat though.

The picture on optical discs is far superior as these downloads will be bit-starved, and DD5.1 is last gen.[/QUOTE]

So was Rumble .:lol:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']His 49% equity was sold back to Apple a long, long, long time ago.

Moreover, Apple is a member of the BDA, so there is at least a tiny connection b/w the two groups.[/QUOTE]

There's nothing worse than a Mac Geek that knows insignificant Apple trivia .;)
 
[quote name='DestroVega']Seems Sony did pay off both Warner AND Fox... shocker.... no really... not surprising...

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/080115a.php[/QUOTE]

Heh...that article's an oped with as much credibility as one written by Ron Enderle, Bill Kristol, or...well, any op-ed writer, really.

Isn't that the guy who felt "in my heart" that HD DVD was a better choice? :rofl:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Well, the still of the video clip showed Hitler, so it was pretty clear what the metaphor was going to be. I knew I was too PC to click "play" on that clip without derailing the topic into whether or not it is an offensive analogy or not.[/QUOTE]

Oh Mike , the decisions you make are always superior .
How do you do it ?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Heh...that article's an oped with as much credibility as one written by Ron Enderle, Bill Kristol, or...well, any op-ed writer, really.

Isn't that the guy who felt "in my heart" that HD DVD was a better choice? :rofl:[/quote]

Possibly, but if you don't think some money changed hands somewhere... you need to wake up.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']Possibly, but if you don't think some money changed hands somewhere... you need to wake up.[/quote]I don't think anyone is arguing that.

The money that Toshiba offered is freed up now and being used for their brand new and great "Use HD DVD players as a great upscaling DVD player!" campaign.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']Seems Sony did pay off both Warner AND Fox... shocker.... no really... not surprising...

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/080115a.php[/quote]
That was a given...though just like the Paramount alleged "payoff" there's no way to ever know for sure unless the companies step forward, which they wont.

On another note, I was shocked to flip my Blu-Ray discs to find that they are not Blue....for some reason I always thought they were blue :whistle2:k
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']

On another note, I was shocked to flip my Blu-Ray discs to find that they are not Blue....for some reason I always thought they were blue :whistle2:k[/quote]


wait.... what?... your bluray discs?
 
[quote name='Richlough']Oh Mike , the decisions you make are always superior .
How do you do it ?[/QUOTE]

I'd say willpower, but it's a lie. Truth is, I was probably wasting my time looking at another productivity-killing YouTube video session. ;)

[quote name='DestroVega']Possibly, but if you don't think some money changed hands somewhere... you need to wake up.[/QUOTE]

Not what I said. I said the article was speculation and a sham. Go read the article and explain to me the author's claim that (and he says this in the course of a single sentence, too!) Warner's "hand was forced" to go BD exclusive, so the BDA paid them half a billion dollars to go BD exclusive.

How in the hell is that sentence even possible?

EDIT: Here's the sentence from the Post-Gazette article:
With no studio joining them on the HD DVD side, Warner's hand was forced and it went with Blu-ray, receiving a reported $500 million for doing so.
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That's indefensible tripe.

What I'm saying: the article is crap, the article is an op-ed piece, and proves nothing.
What I'm *NOT* saying: no money changed hands.

On the Apple front, it looks like they went from SuperDrive to *no* drive, with their MacBook Air. Ain't no room for Blu-Ray in a computer with no disc drive! :lol:
 
[quote name='guyver2077']wait.... what?... your bluray discs?[/quote]
Yeah, I sorta went purple...though I still bleed red.

I own Cars, Ratatouille, Piates 1, and Pirates 2...got them from the Toys R Us B1G1F deal, the first two totalled $16.XX after coupons and the other two I got for $6.XX after coupons so I couldn't pass up...I got a used 60GB PS3 coming from eBay soon, hopefully it works :pray:
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Yeah, I sorta went purple...though I still bleed red.

I own Cars, Ratatouille, Piates 1, and Pirates 2...got them from the Toys R Us B1G1F deal, the first two totalled $16.XX after coupons and the other two I got for $6.XX after coupons so I couldn't pass up...I got a used 60GB PS3 coming from eBay soon, hopefully it works :pray:[/quote]


wow..
 
[quote name='guyver2077']wow..[/quote]

Yeah...I feel bad, though I'm thinking of making my Blu-Ray purchases via eBay so that I don't increase Sony's numbers that way, I know its not going to make a difference but I think I'll feel better that way. Though if there's some good sales like the TRU one, I'll buy new.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Yeah...I feel bad, though I'm thinking of making my Blu-Ray purchases via eBay so that I don't increase Sony's numbers that way, I know its not going to make a difference but I think I'll feel better that way. Though if there's some good sales like the TRU one, I'll buy new.[/quote]

Sigh, when will people learn that there is more to Blu-ray than just Sony. And when will people learn that every other major company is just as bad as Sony...
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Sigh, when will people learn that there is more to Blu-ray than just Sony. And when will people learn that every other major company is just as bad as Sony...[/quote]
Except, at least the way I view it, Sony really doesn't care about consumers and doesn't even have to pretend. Most other companies at least have to pretend to care, since they need good PR to keep sales steady and a healthy image... Sony knows it can charge whatever it wants and say whatever it wants and people will still fall all over themselves for a Sony product. "I will work more hours to buy one" is what Sony seems to be all about.

Not to mention that Sony is always trying to push proprietary formats (Beta, MiniDisc, UMD, Memory Stick, now BD). Granted BD is much closer to HD-DVD than any of their other products were to anything else, and is at least backwards compatible with DVD, but I don't trust Sony to even make an attempt at what's best for consumers. It's all about what will net the them the most profit, as with every company; the difference being that they don't have to pretend to care.
 
[quote name='GrilledWitOnions']Except, at least the way I view it, Sony really doesn't care about consumers and doesn't even have to pretend. Most other companies at least have to pretend to care, since they need good PR to keep sales steady and a healthy image... Sony knows it can charge whatever it wants and say whatever it wants and people will still fall all over themselves for a Sony product. "I will work more hours to buy one" is what Sony seems to be all about.

Not to mention that Sony is always trying to push proprietary formats (Beta, MiniDisc, UMD, Memory Stick, now BD). Granted BD is much closer to HD-DVD than any of their other products were to anything else, and is at least backwards compatible with DVD, but I don't trust Sony to even make an attempt at what's best for consumers. It's all about what will net the them the most profit, as with every company; the difference being that they don't have to pretend to care.
[/quote]Damn you Sony for exchanging my Fifth Element BD for the new remastered version free of charge!

Damn you!
 
[quote name='dallow']Damn you Sony for exchanging my Fifth Element BD for the new remastered version free of charge!

Damn you![/quote]Good point, so they do some things in consumers best interest... I'm not convinced that BD is the best format however, with the way things have been with proprietary formats and Sony. Although, I was reading about the Home Video Cassette War (Betamax and VHS) on Wikipedia just now, and it seems Sony was all set to produce Betamax when JVC totally stole the idea from them and basically won because tape time>quality in consumers eyes. But I still don't understand the UMD (movie wise anyway) or Memory stick. I think Sony takes advantage of it's used-to-be-superior position to keep everything within their circle of products, and it's really confusing to consumers sometimes.
 
UMD movies seemed to me just another reason to get people excited to use or buy a PSP.
IMO, a terrible idea.

Sony does like to be top dog. And they'll keep trying to be.
Can't blame them.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Word...they killed two of my loved ones....Dreamcast and HD DVD :cry:[/QUOTE]

You sure love Xbox enough to have forgiven Peter Moore for his liability in the premature death of the DC - and if you buy EA games, you seem to have forgiven them for shunning the DC altogether, which surely had a substantial impact on the system as well.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']You sure love Xbox enough to have forgiven Peter Moore for his liability in the premature death of the DC - and if you buy EA games, you seem to have forgiven them for shunning the DC altogether, which surely had a substantial impact on the system as well.[/quote]Boom, headshot.
 
[quote name='GrilledWitOnions']Good point, so they do some things in consumers best interest... I'm not convinced that BD is the best format however, with the way things have been with proprietary formats and Sony. Although, I was reading about the Home Video Cassette War (Betamax and VHS) on Wikipedia just now, and it seems Sony was all set to produce Betamax when JVC totally stole the idea from them and basically won because tape time>quality in consumers eyes. But I still don't understand the UMD (movie wise anyway) or Memory stick. I think Sony takes advantage of it's used-to-be-superior position to keep everything within their circle of products, and it's really confusing to consumers sometimes.[/quote]

Don't forget the MiniDisc, what a proprietary turd, and keep calling it an IEEE1394 port- consumers love that one (i.link). Didn't there tight-grip on the clie' ruin it as well.
 
[quote name='h3llbring3r']I know this but don't tell Sony that! They wont call it that ever.[/quote] Because they don't want to pay Apple royalties. Apple OWNS the name Firewire. But either way you're wrong, because Sony doesn't call it IEEE1394, they call it by their own brand name, i.Link.
 
Oh, I see...your post almost reads as if you're saying Sony refers to minidisc ports as FireWire. Nevermind. Sigh. Too much reading for one day for me, evidently.
 
[quote name='Wikipedia']Sony's implementation of the system is known as i.LINK, and uses only the four signal pins, omitting the two pins which provide power to the device in favor of a separate power connector on Sony's i.LINK products.[/quote]Didn't know about this i.Link thing. So is it basically the same but different in shape (ala EVERYTHING SONY DOES) so that consumers have to buy their product and get confused?
 
[quote name='h3llbring3r']Don't forget the MiniDisc, what a proprietary turd, and keep calling it an IEEE1394 port- consumers love that one. Didn't there tight-grip on the clie' ruin it as well.[/quote]MiniDisc may have failed here but it did alright in their homeland.

People still use it to for high quality concert recordings here in the US.
I do/did.
 
[quote name='GrilledWitOnions']Didn't know about this i.Link thing. So is it basically the same but different in shape (ala EVERYTHING SONY DOES) so that consumers have to buy their product and get confused?[/quote]

Yea, I have a Sony HDR-HC1 and it has angered me once or twice.
 
[quote name='dallow']MiniDisc may have failed here but it did alright in their homeland.

People still use it to for high quality concert recordings here in the US.
I do/did.[/QUOTE]

Hippie.

EDIT: http://developer.apple.com/softwarelicensing/agreements/firewire.html

If I'm reading this correctly (and we all know what luck I'm having with that today), there are no fees associated with using the word "firewire," or, evidently, the technology ether.
 
[quote name='dallow']Please read Geko's post as to why they don't call it FireWire.[/quote]So, Sony has a cable that is nearly identical to apples cable, but doesn't want to pay them royalties so they change it a bit. Exactly what I've been talking about. Sony wants to be on top and make everything within their own circle of products. It would be in consumers best interest for them to bite the bullit and simply pay apple for the spec, but instead they make things more confusing. If the specs ARE the same and the wires are interchangeble, than forgive my ingnorance, but otherwise it's simply greed and while I get that's what companies do, sometimes they need to do what's best for a consumer. It's a big picture thing.

Case in point:
Belkin 6-Foot Firewire Cable - $10.95
Sony i.Link Cable - $36.04

Their proprietary format cable is 3 times as much as a Belkin, whom I'm sure paid some royalties to Apple (granted cabling is something specific Belkin does). But, wouldn't it make more sense for Sony to just pay for the spec and let consumers go buy a Belkin? The tech is already there and ready to be used, but Sony wants control.

Of course I just heard of i.Link a couple paragraphs ago, but it fits into their model of business very well.

EDIT: Some stuff was posted while I posted :p

If I'm reading this correctly (and we all know what luck I'm having with that today), there are no fees associated with using the word "firewire," or, evidently, the technology ether.
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[quote name='Apple']The FireWire Logo is an Apple trademark and must be licensed for use by third-parties. There is currently no licensing fee. The agreement is a 5-page Adobe Acrobat file, and contains all the information and guidelines third-party developers need to license the FireWire Logo for use on product packaging, advertising, and other product marketing materials.[/quote]

Seems to be that way, and thus this makes things more confusing. Why i.Link? Only reason is to keep it within Sony.
 
I couldn't help but LOL at your post onion.

Worst possible way to compare!

i.Link branding has been around for YEARS, where have you been?
 
[quote name='dallow']I couldn't help but LOL at your post onion.

Worst possible way to compare!

i.Link branding has been around for YEARS, where have you been?
Everyone should know it's all IEEE 1394.[/quote]
LOL, it seems to be dead-on in my protracted (and on going) Sony experience.
 
[quote name='dallow']I couldn't help but LOL at your post onion.

Worst possible way to compare!

i.Link branding has been around for YEARS, where have you been?[/quote]Not using firewire/i.Link? I'm pretty good with tech stuff but don't keep interest with things that are of no use to me. Why is my post so terrible? Because I compared two cables? From a consumer POV, I believe that's the best way to do it. I would buy the Belkin hands down.

Granted, maybe Amazon is charging extra for the i.Link but I bet there's still a difference in price between the two initially.

Why was my post so bad...?
 
I like how you have this innate hate for them, yet use and purchase their products.

Perhaps there WAS a licensing fee to use Firewire, but that's no longer the case and Sony doesn't want to change all their products and manuals around when everything is already branded i.Link.
Notice the Apple page says "currently".

Geko?

Onion:
The reason the comparison is bad is like asking why cables are cheaper on monoprice than Monster cables in stores.
Or why Versaci can charge $150 for a plain white T.

Purely name brand.
 
[quote name='GrilledWitOnions']Case in point:
Belkin 6-Foot Firewire Cable - $10.95
Sony i.Link Cable - $36.04

Their proprietary format cable is 3 times as much as a Belkin, whom I'm sure paid some royalties to Apple (granted cabling is something specific Belkin does). But, wouldn't it make more sense for Sony to just pay for the spec and let consumers go buy a Belkin? The tech is already there and ready to be used, but Sony wants control.[/quote]

But it's not proprietary. It's just Sony brand. Notice those cables are IDENTICAL except one's gray and one's purple. If it was an Apple-brand cable, or a Canon one, or any other company's, it could be just as, or even more expensive.

The ports are identical--there's just two types, like with USB. There's the regular full-size 6-pin, then there's the mini 4-pin, just like there's the regular full-size USB connector that your PC and printer use, and the mini-USB connector that's on cell phones, satellite radios, digital cameras, etc. The 6-pin is generally used for PCs, hard drives, etc. Full-size stuff. The mini 4-pin is used for things like camcorders. I use a 6-pin to 6-pin to run my external hard drive, and a 6-pin to 4-pin to hook up my camcorder.
 
[quote name='GrilledWitOnions']Not using firewire/i.Link? I'm pretty good with tech stuff but don't keep interest with things that are of no use to me. Why is my post so terrible? Because I compared two cables? From a consumer POV, I believe that's the best way to do it. I would buy the Belkin hands down.

Granted, maybe Amazon is charging extra for the i.Link but I bet there's still a difference in price between the two initially.

Why was my post so bad...?[/QUOTE]


Sony's TVs cost more than vizio's as well. Lets complain about that next.
 
[quote name='dallow']I like how you have this innate hate for them, yet use and purchase their products.

Perhaps there WAS a licensing fee to use Firewire, but that's no longer the case and Sony doesn't want to change all their products and manuals around when everything is already branded i.Link.
Notice the Apple page says "currently".

Geko?

Onion:
The reason the comparison is bad is like asking why cables are cheaper on monoprice than Monster cables in stores.
Or why Versaci can charge $150 for a plain white T.

Purely name brand.[/quote]Belkin is a name brand, and that's the fucking point. Sony charges for their name and keeps things proprietary. And I mentioned before, it's of little relevance as to what the fee is for firewire. Inf act I bet they could have just said IEEE1394 standard and not paid anything. It's not in consumers best interest to introduce a proprietary, new standard and charge more for it because your name is Sony.

edit: more added
But it's not proprietary. It's just Sony brand. Notice those cables are IDENTICAL except one's gray and one's purple. If it was an Apple-brand cable, or a Canon one, or any other company's, it could be just as, or even more expensive.
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OKay, I wasn;'t sure on this (and said that a few times), that if they are the same, then fine, it's no big deal. But if not, then it becomes a problem. This is the first time (I believe) that someone told me straight up that they are identical; someone previously said they had trouble with cabling on theior sony cam so I assumed they were different. And the wikipedia article says they are different in how it receives power.
 
[quote name='dallow']I like how you have this innate hate for them, yet use and purchase their products.

Perhaps there WAS a licensing fee to use Firewire, but that's no longer the case and Sony doesn't want to change all their products and manuals around when everything is already branded i.Link.
Notice the Apple page says "currently".

Geko?

Onion:
The reason the comparison is bad is like asking why cables are cheaper on monoprice than Monster cables in stores.
Or why Versaci can charge $150 for a plain white T.

Purely name brand.[/quote]

Wait, wait, wait these were both from the same site and a T-shirt from Versace is still a T-shirt, in your hypothetical Versace not trying to confuse a buyer with allusions of proprietary technology in-order to inflate costs when, in all likely hood, that belkin cable is on par with if not higher quality with the Sony. Your analogy is flawed.

Your not confusing consumers with jargon to exploit their technological ignorance for additional profit.
 
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