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Just do a Google for "Maurice Clemmons" you'll find many different sources telling you all sides to the story. I just spent the past 2 hours reading up on this guy and I can't believe he was released. I can only set aside my remorse for a spare moment of rage for the four families destroyed because of this sick asshole.

To be fair, reading into this, Maurice was wronged by the state of Arkansas and set loose on Washington. My fucking home, this went down 30 minutes from where I live. Washington just had another cop-killing psycho last month, now we have to deal with this shit. Right now, alot of my hatred is going to this piece of political shit:

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From reading a few of the results, it seems like a pretty complex criminal history and hard to place blame on any one person.

Originally he was serving a ridiculous 95 year sentence for crimes committed as a 17 and 18 year old including robberies, burglaries, thefts and possessing a gun on school property. Serious crimes, but no mention of violence/injury to others--so a very, very harsh sentence for a juvenile. Those type of sentences should really be reserved for murderers.

So I can't really fault Huckabee for commuting his sentence after 11 years and after the parole board said he was safe to release.

But after that there seems like there was a series of screw ups that led to him not getting locked up long-term for parole violations etc. Along with another series of crimes (including a potential child sex offense--doesn't sound like intercourse, just making relatives get naked for 5 minutes on Sundays or some weird shit) in Washington that didn't end up with him behind bars--guess no clear evidence of crimes.

It seems like the real fault here is this guy seems to have clear mental issues, but some how through his run ins with the law, problems with his family etc. it doesn't seem like he got the diagnosis and treatment he needed to prevent these weird behaviors and this tragic crime from happening.

All I can say is that it's always tragic when someone with issues falls through the cracks and commits more serious crimes. But at the same time, it's careful not to go all gung ho about it and want to throw everyone behind bars for as long as possible and throw away the key as only a minority of criminals are "career criminals" that will pretty much always be involved in crime if not locked up.

That non-sense approach through the 80s and 90s has left us with the fucked up criminal justice system we have today with all the problems that come with mass incarceration (prison crowding, impact on inner city communities that perpetuates cumulative disadvantage and increases crime in future generations etc.) combined with inmates getting less rehabilitation programming (despite us knowing more about what's effective than in the past) and being more likely to re-offend when their terms are up etc. Hell, that probably has a lot to do with why his problems were apparently not diagnosed and able to be dealt with (and factored into his release decision) in the first place.
 
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The only way that guy will be captured alive is if he calls a TV news crew to be there when he surrenders. If the cops find him first, he's probably going to have an "accident" during his arrest.
 
whoa weird there were helicopters and shit floatin around campus and my instructor made a comment about there being a manhunt in the university district for the lakewood killer and i had no idea who he was talking about.. crazy stuff small world
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']The only way that guy will be captured alive is if he calls a TV news crew to be there when he surrenders. If the cops find him first, he's probably going to have an "accident" during his arrest.[/QUOTE]

If you were the cop, would you want to take a chance after he already (allegedly) demonstrated the capacity and will to kill cops?

I think the guy probably committed 'suicide by cop' but there's no way to know. Well, unless some video comes out.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']So I can't really fault Huckabee for commuting his sentence after 11 years and after the parole board said he was safe to release.[/QUOTE]

Bingo. I don't like Huckabee, nor what he stands for, but commuting a juvenile sentence of 95 years down to 11 is something that we can only blame Huckabee for in hindsight. It also ignores the folks who aren't Maurice Clemmons that had juvenile sentences commuted, and how a "lock 'em up and lock 'em up forever" policy approach would do more harm than good.

Not to mention the Arkansas stuff was over a decade ago. There's plenty of room for debate as to what kinds of activities make someone a "routine" or "career" criminal. Multiple arrests/convictions over a short time span (say, 1-2 years)? Little disagreement there. Two bulky (i.e., heavy on the charges) incidents separated by a decade? That becomes much fuzzier to argue.

I hate politics, because the people I agree with politically see this as a way to get revenge for Michael Dukakis and how the "Willie Horton" advertisement helped elect George HW Bush to office. But it's self-serving and short-sighted. And it perpetuates the horrible "soft of crime" criticism that's caused policies that's ramped up sentences and reduced the power of parole boards and judges over the past three decades - leading to stunningly high incarceration rates and exploding costs of corrections in the US. Defeating Huckabee politically is not worth that cost socially or economically.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I hate politics, because the people I agree with politically see this as a way to get revenge for Michael Dukakis and how the "Willie Horton" advertisement helped elect George HW Bush to office. But it's self-serving and short-sighted. And it perpetuates the horrible "soft of crime" criticism that's caused policies that's ramped up sentences and reduced the power of parole boards and judges over the past three decades - leading to stunningly high incarceration rates and exploding costs of corrections in the US. Defeating Huckabee politically is not worth that cost socially or economically.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you here, I wouldn't mind seeing Huckabee taken down a notch or two but using a cheap tactic like this is the wrong way. That's why I'll never be a politician.

I have to admit though - it is funny seeing all his former anchor friends on the Fox news network now doing whatever they can to distance themselves, this can't make things pleasant around the water cooler...
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Bingo. I don't like Huckabee, nor what he stands for, but commuting a juvenile sentence of 95 years down to 11 is something that we can only blame Huckabee for in hindsight. It also ignores the folks who aren't Maurice Clemmons that had juvenile sentences commuted, and how a "lock 'em up and lock 'em up forever" policy approach would do more harm than good.

Not to mention the Arkansas stuff was over a decade ago. There's plenty of room for debate as to what kinds of activities make someone a "routine" or "career" criminal. Multiple arrests/convictions over a short time span (say, 1-2 years)? Little disagreement there. Two bulky (i.e., heavy on the charges) incidents separated by a decade? That becomes much fuzzier to argue.

I hate politics, because the people I agree with politically see this as a way to get revenge for Michael Dukakis and how the "Willie Horton" advertisement helped elect George HW Bush to office. But it's self-serving and short-sighted. And it perpetuates the horrible "soft of crime" criticism that's caused policies that's ramped up sentences and reduced the power of parole boards and judges over the past three decades - leading to stunningly high incarceration rates and exploding costs of corrections in the US. Defeating Huckabee politically is not worth that cost socially or economically.[/QUOTE]


Agree 100%. I cringe everytime there's some highly publicized crime as it just gets people on both sides of the aisle fired up to reinforce the "get tough on crime" non-sense that has our CJ system so fucked up from the late 70s on.
 
I completely disagree with Huckabee on MANY issues. I think its disingenuous to put this on him though. The guy was what, a teenager, who was sentenced to 108 years for armed robbery? C'mon that is REALLY harsh, especially for a teenager. Apparently AFTER Huckabee granted clemency he began committing more violent crimes (from what I've read, please cite sources if I'm wrong on this), but Huckabee could not have known that was going to happen at the time.

Hindsight is 20/20 eh carpwrist?

Let's take into account the risk of recidivism when granting clemency or when sentencing kids to 100 year sentences.
 
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Hindsight is 20/20 eh carpwrist?

Let's take into account the risk of recidivism when granting clemency or when sentencing kids to 100 year sentences.[/QUOTE]

Very true. He was convicted of 2nd degree rape, assaulting an officer, parole violations, among others. He was clearly a danger to the public.
I imagine that spending 11 years of your youth in a correctional facility could only foster that kind of behavior. True, he did get screwed by the system and he shouldn't have been sentenced such a harsh time for a relatively small crime, but he should have been reprimanded when he violated his parole. He was a loose cannon set out by Huckabee and no one wanted to clean up after his shit.

In any case, they should have listened to the prison psychiatrists, not the politician.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Clemmons
 
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