GameQuestDirect wants to win the CAGs back - Feedback requested

[quote name='Tsukento']Some of these things are cheaper new than GameStop's used prices. And GameStop no longer takes anything pre-PlayStation 2, GBA games aside, so it'd be rather difficult to find any PlayStation, N64 and Dreamcast games used from them. :p

Reprints of older classics would definately rock hard. Sorry collectors, but some of us want games to play, not keep on our shelves to sell on eBay.[/QUOTE]

See, that's just the thing with me though... if I really want a game, I'll pay for it... dearly. I paid $45 for used copies of Suikoden, $60 for Valkyrie Profile, and $87 for Suikoden II (the most I've ever paid for a single game.). Now I know a lot of you will think I'm crazy and banish me for going against what it says in the CAG bible but what else was I going to do? I wanted to play the games. But it works two ways since I can always sell them back to cover the entire cost... unless there's a reprint. It's a double edged sword for me.

Knowing about a reprint beforehand would help that though.;)
 
[quote name='darkwingduck13']The first part of this is a valid point. Since I never go into those two stores, I keep forgetting that GS/EB have phased out everything below the PS2.

Regardless, my argument on GQD's retarded pricing stands.

Even on below-average, non-"rare" PSOne RPGs, they're insane. Crusaders of Might and Magic for $20? My local Circuit City couldn't sell copies of that title until it hit the $2.96 mark! Dragon Valor is sitting at $39.99, when no used game shop in my area charges more than $14.99 for it (and most $9.99).

I agree that reprints of older classics would rock. I'd buy them, if they were priced reasonably. I'm not saying they should be priced at the same level as a used copy in one of my local shops, either. I'm just saying that printing a new copy of a game for a discontinued system and expecting to be able to charge the retail price of 8 years ago is madness, no matter how "rare" the game has become. Why? Because when you reprint it, you've automatically made it less rare! This is just an economic, cheap-ass point I'm trying to make. I'm not bitching because I have a ton of "rare" games, or because I want to make money on eBay. I'm the opposite. I want to buy the "rare" games that I want to play cheap, and if someone is going to reprint those titles, I see no reason why I can't expect to pay a much more reasonable price for them.[/QUOTE]



some of it's overpriced, some of it's just MSRP, other games are decent deals.

just like anywhere else. Not every place is going to try and be a loss leader.

you're wrong for thinking they should ignore the market and sell rare games cheap to you.
 
If they had a voting system where your vote actually counted (ie, once a petition gets over 5,000, they'll reprint), they'd be amazing. Yes, Cheapy, I think you should give them a second chance.
 
[quote name='Apossum']some of it's overpriced, some of it's just MSRP, other games are decent deals.

just like anywhere else. Not every place is going to try and be a loss leader.

you're wrong for thinking they should ignore the market and sell rare games cheap to you.[/QUOTE]

Do you work for these people?

I'm not attacking them, but you seem to feel some need to "defend" them. I never said they should sell rare games cheap just to me. Ignoring the market is suicide for any business. I am curious though as to how many copies of Crusaders of Might & Magic for PSX you'd like to buy at MSRP.

What I'm saying they should do is stop gouging people on eBay by playing on the "rarity" of a game that they already know is no longer rare...because they reprinted it! That's an artificial means of keeping the price high.

Regardless, they asked for feedback. Lower prices. Stop being dishonest (which they already may have done). Give the customers some choice as to what gets reprinted. These are constant themes that they should keep in mind.
 
I would hate to spend $3000 on a factory sealed Stadium Events, only to find that it has been reprinted and is now $10.
 
[quote name='Porksta']I would hate to spend $3000 on a factory sealed Stadium Events, only to find that it has been reprinted and is now $10.[/quote]
I'd be thrilled if a reprint for $10 was made! I'm sure I would have other important things to spend the other $2,990 on (used car, rent, etc.).

If I really, really wanted a game I think the max I'd pay is $50 since I'm cheap. I figure I've got enough collateral in my collection and available lists to knock down the price of any game to a managable level up to $150. Beyond $150 and the game just isn't worth it to own...

Give GQD a chance. Nocture FTW! Valkyrie Profile (sold my mint complete copy away years ago for $100) and Suikoden II for runners-up!
 
[quote name='djkunai']Asking CAGs which games they'd like to see reprinted? Wait, that sounds familiar...

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71282

Oh look, they've tried that before. Not to rant on a shady company without giving them benefit of the doubt, but it seems like they're trying to find out which games will sell well overall if reprinted as opposed to giving CAGs a good deal.[/quote]
I can't see anywhere in that topic that makes any sort of mention of GQD. o_O Sounds more like a general discussion on what games everyone would want to see reprinted.

I would hate to spend $3000 on a factory sealed Stadium Events, only to find that it has been reprinted and is now $10.
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The real question is, why the hell would you spend $3k on a game?
 
[quote name='Tsukento']I can't see anywhere in that topic that makes any sort of mention of GQD. o_O Sounds more like a general discussion on what games everyone would want to see reprinted.


The real question is, why the hell would you spend $3k on a game?[/quote]


the OP of that other thread worked or had something to do with GQD
 
Not a real issue with them, although the lying was pretty bad. I bought Rhapsody, wanted to return it instantly when i found out it was a reprint, and was turned down. The misinformation was crappy, although I am behind them trying to redeem themselves.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']It would be nice to know in advance that something in our collection is about to become worthless. Just a courtesy.[/QUOTE]

Nope, sorry, your e-peen will be instantly deflated.

I have a crazy idea, buy games that you want to play. Buy mutual funds when you want to invest.
 
who said anything about investing OR hording? I dont ever plan to sell my ONE, sealed, original printing of Nocturne.

I think you guys are gonna have to accept that SOME people actually COLLECT games AS WELL as playing them.
 
LOL Well said, Halo!! Also, like Tsukento, I gotta ask.....WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD PAY $3000 for a game?

I mean, maybe an older ARCADE game if in mint condition and all, but a console game? No fuckin way!!!

I'm too cheap to even spend the $100 or so on a used copy of Steel Battalion when I see a complete copy pop up at a local GS, so $3k is WAYYYY outta my price range.

As for reasonable pricing for the reprinted games:

PS1,Saturn: $19.99
PS2,Xbox,GC: $29.99

There's NO WAY a reprinted game is worth over those prices above, since they're not original copies. $60 for a reprinted game, as someone mentioned before goes against the 'CAG Bible'.
 
I personally suspect that Gamestop has been burned by some of their previous transactions with GQD. I dont know how much they bought all those copies of Rhapsody and Persona 2 for, so late in the PS2 lifespan, but I dont think they got full price for a lot of those. A lot of them werent bought until the 75% clearance.

They've dropped REZ to 29.99, from 39.99, if I recall correctly. ZOE2 was it? is 24.99 now? I dont think their price on Suikoden 3 has changed much, but I dont know if they even restocked it FROM them.

Gitaroo man seemed to be a good buy for them.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']who said anything about investing OR hording? I dont ever plan to sell my ONE, sealed, original printing of Nocturne.

I think you guys are gonna have to accept that SOME people actually COLLECT games AS WELL as playing them.[/QUOTE]
Having more of something will increase your odds of being able to collect it. I collect games to collect games, and I don't worry if the price declines because availability increases.

Its only logical that if you have a product that is in high demand and is selling for 200-300% of the MSRP in the aftermarket, you'd make some more. Whats wrong with the publisher and developer making money on their own product?
 
Your mindset on collecting is a little different from most, I imagine. Ask the collector of ANYTHING, stamps, cars, action figures, coins,...ANYTHING, if they want identical reprints things.
 
[quote name='darkwingduck13']Do you work for these people?

I'm not attacking them, but you seem to feel some need to "defend" them. I never said they should sell rare games cheap just to me. Ignoring the market is suicide for any business. I am curious though as to how many copies of Crusaders of Might & Magic for PSX you'd like to buy at MSRP.

What I'm saying they should do is stop gouging people on eBay by playing on the "rarity" of a game that they already know is no longer rare...because they reprinted it! That's an artificial means of keeping the price high.

Regardless, they asked for feedback. Lower prices. Stop being dishonest (which they already may have done). Give the customers some choice as to what gets reprinted. These are constant themes that they should keep in mind.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, i'm the president of GQD, nice to meet you.

I just think it's weird to judge their whole business because you don't like the price of Might and Magic. That's clearly a case of them just forgetting about a price on a game-- they probably haven't sold one for ages.

I do think they should sell lower than ebay prices, but I'm not expecting them to reprint Suikoden II and sell it for $20. For one thing, they're not "making a game less rare"-- they're catering to demand. People would be thrilled to get Suikoden II for $50 because they don't have to spend $100 and GQD would be doing a service, really. It's completely irrelevant what a game cost 10 years ago when it was rotting on the shelves.

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On a side note, but somewhat relevant to your post Duck, I find any and all animosity towards the company for reprinting games to be strange and suspect. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they sell on ebay and amazon as well. they could just as easily leak out cheap-ish copies of reprinted game and make a ton of profit by selling them slowly. Instead, they do a mass release, price it cheaper and that's that.

so a few collectors feel betrayed and a few anal types cry because it isn't marked as a reprint (hint: Persona 2, Gitaroo Man and Rez all had security labels in their original release), who gives a fuck? They're getting games to people and that's what matters. I still don't understand the drama surrounding them on the forum. It just seemed like a bunch of digipress guys getting angry because their precious collections lost a little value.

edit: and I know it may seem ridiculous that I'm not acknowledging their apology as a sign of guilt, but I understand why they would want to issue it-- this site will only become more and more prominent to gaming consumers as the years go by. I'm happy they're letting their customers influence the reprints--that's a huge step and will really help their business, if they do it right.

sorry for the rant, carry on
 
Games are meant to be played. The only people butthurt are those who were trying to make a killing on ebay eventually. There are no negatives to providing an out of print expensive game at a cheap accessible price.

I hope they get to reprint every overpriced game so that more people can play them and enjoy them. Allowing us to vote on potential game reprints is what every (true)cag dreams of. Screw the whoreders.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Your mindset on collecting is a little different from most, I imagine. Ask the collector of ANYTHING, stamps, cars, action figures, coins,...ANYTHING, if they want identical reprints things.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but most of those things are substantially older than any game. If this is a concern, you should focus on games that are impractical to make more of. I focus my efforts on rarities there, I focus on quality with the more recent stuff regardless of rareness or price.

Action figures/dolls can become collectable after a short period of time, but this also occurs in that market. You'd have a point with the other stuff, but these things are too new to not expect another run. I'm not even comfortable with collecting PS1 games unless they're a special edition, due to backwards compatibility keeping that market going.

Maybe they should do something like books where they list what edition it is, but the hobby of collecting games is not taken real seriously, plus you'd probably have to open the game to see which edition it is, reducing its value.
 
[quote name='Apossum']I still don't understand the drama surrounding them on the forum. It just seemed like a bunch of digipress guys getting angry because their precious collections lost a little value.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure most CAGs who had issues with them wasn't just because of the reprints. It was because they were dishonest about the reprints being reprints and dishonest about their CAG presence. That was my problem with them.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Your mindset on collecting is a little different from most, I imagine. Ask the collector of ANYTHING, stamps, cars, action figures, coins,...ANYTHING, if they want identical reprints things.[/QUOTE]

fuck the collectors. Get more games in people's hands.

I'm just sayin'. I collect things, too, but if the price goes down, it goes down. If it goes up, it goes up. If GQD reprints something I have, tough shit for me. Why should I matter to the market or to GQD? Am I special?

This is narcissism, DMK. I don't care what you have or how the value of it as a collectible is impacted. If you want to play with the value of something, go talk to a broker. If the difference between you being ludicrously wealthy vis-a-vis games you don't play and won't sell, and myself, among hundreds/thousands of other gamers getting their hands on something highly desirable, the simple answer is: fuck you.

'matter of fact, I like the "stickerless" reprints of PSX games precisely because they can't be resold by hoarding collectors as brand new classics. That damn sticker will satisfy you, won't it? I could care less about the value of any game you own, but if some schmuck is willing to pay 300% more for it over the average price because of a factory sticker seal, then let them be my guest.
 
As long as there is transparancy and honesty in the process, it doesnt bother me THAT much. Certainly the benefits of the many are to be catered to over that of the very few. The fringe collectors will always have things to concern themselves with.

There are a lot of games that are impossible to get the rights to (I wont name names), and big deluxe box items that are impractical to print if you could (Arc the Lad Collection, Digital Devil Saga, Steel Batallion, etc).

I imagine no ones going to reprint games old enough to actually have the top strip seal - Or at least that should continue to decline considerably, just because of the vast majority of people move on to newer things.
 
[quote name='Apossum']Yeah, i'm the president of GQD, nice to meet you.

I just think it's weird to judge their whole business because you don't like the price of Might and Magic. That's clearly a case of them just forgetting about a price on a game-- they probably haven't sold one for ages.

I do think they should sell lower than ebay prices, but I'm not expecting them to reprint Suikoden II and sell it for $20. For one thing, they're not "making a game less rare"-- they're catering to demand. People would be thrilled to get Suikoden II for $50 because they don't have to spend $100 and GQD would be doing a service, really. It's completely irrelevant what a game cost 10 years ago when it was rotting on the shelves.

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On a side note, but somewhat relevant to your post Duck, I find any and all animosity towards the company for reprinting games to be strange and suspect. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they sell on ebay and amazon as well. they could just as easily leak out cheap-ish copies of reprinted game and make a ton of profit by selling them slowly. Instead, they do a mass release, price it cheaper and that's that.

so a few collectors feel betrayed and a few anal types cry because it isn't marked as a reprint (hint: Persona 2, Gitaroo Man and Rez all had security labels in their original release), who gives a fuck? They're getting games to people and that's what matters. I still don't understand the drama surrounding them on the forum. It just seemed like a bunch of digipress guys getting angry because their precious collections lost a little value.

edit: and I know it may seem ridiculous that I'm not acknowledging their apology as a sign of guilt, but I understand why they would want to issue it-- this site will only become more and more prominent to gaming consumers as the years go by. I'm happy they're letting their customers influence the reprints--that's a huge step and will really help their business, if they do it right.

sorry for the rant, carry on[/QUOTE]

Dude, I'm not ranting and I'm not complaining specifically about that one game...but I'd like to think you knew that. I'm complaining about their high prices and the shady practices they were using when first releasing their reprints. I don't give a damn about the value of any of my games once they're in my hands. I'm all for cheap reprints. By all means, reprint Suikoden II until I can walk into a local shop and buy a copy for $4.95. I'm just saying that I think they could reprint a game until they puke, and they'd still try to gouge on the price.

If they just "forgot" to lower the price on these games, then they've forgotten about 3/4 of their pre-PS2 inventory.

But again, like everyone else in this thread, I'm more than willing to give them another chance.

Someone from GQD post here and let us know when you've updated (lowered) the prices on all your pre-PS2 games to something more reasonable, and I'll be happy to go see if there's anything I'd like to buy. :)
 
[quote name='darkwingduck13']Dude, I'm not ranting and I'm not complaining specifically about that one game...but I'd like to think you knew that. I'm complaining about their high prices and the shady practices they were using when first releasing their reprints. I don't give a damn about the value of any of my games once they're in my hands. I'm all for cheap reprints. By all means, reprint Suikoden II until I can walk into a local shop and buy a copy for $4.95. I'm just saying that I think they could reprint a game until they puke, and they'd still try to gouge on the price.

If they just "forgot" to lower the price on these games, then they've forgotten about 3/4 of their pre-PS2 inventory.

But again, like everyone else in this thread, I'm more than willing to give them another chance.

Someone from GQD post here and let us know when you've updated (lowered) the prices on all your pre-PS2 games to something more reasonable, and I'll be happy to go see if there's anything I'd like to buy. :)[/QUOTE]



the 2nd part wasn't directed at you, the first part was. I'm not saying you're ranting or attacking you. we apparently disagree about pricing rereleases and some other stuff. that's that. and I'm done jacking the thread up..
 
[quote name='Noodle Pirate!']Games are meant to be played. The only people butthurt are those who were trying to make a killing on ebay eventually. There are no negatives to providing an out of print expensive game at a cheap accessible price.

I hope they get to reprint every overpriced game so that more people can play them and enjoy them. Allowing us to vote on potential game reprints is what every (true)cag dreams of. Screw the whoreders.[/quote]

So then will you sell me your Valkyrie Profile for $10 shipped? I just want to play it, I don't want to collect it.
 
Sadly at that time of this incident, customer service and sales department was one so it was possible they never knew the title was a reprint but knew the game was rare.
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Does GQD mean to say that the original customer service team didn't know they were selling reprints? Smells like BS to me.

And yes, I agree with Dr Mario Kart. If they're going to demolish the value of my collection, a heads up first would be nice. Then ya'll who just want to "play" them can have at it.

By a total stroke of luck, I sold my original copy of Rhapsody for $114 two weeks before the GQD reprint flooded eBay. It was a total fluke, but if I wasn't so lucky... I think I would have burned down GQD's offices.
 
[quote name='cranguy']If they're going to demolish the value of my collection, a heads up first would be nice. Then ya'll who just want to "play" them can have at it.

By a total stroke of luck, I sold my original copy of Rhapsody for $114 two weeks before the GQD reprint flooded eBay. [/quote] If they had given a heads up (and everyone knew about it), would you still have been able to sell your copy at the higher price?

Or are you hoping to hoodwink the uninformed ebayers the way you feel you were hoodwinked buy GQD?
 
djkunai pointed this out but I think they probably want information on what to print/what will sell for them more than giving deals to CAG. But whatever, give them a chance.

Just have them actually make announcements that a game has been reprinted. I'm not talking about an early warning, more like a press release sort of thing where it's officially announced. (because what use is an early warning really? and any CAG trying to sell a game before that claiming rarity would be a bastard and doing the same trick that GQD did in the past).
 
Frankly I don't care if games are reprints. I want to play good games and not pay a mint for it. I don't care about values of collections, mine or yours. This is a damn form of entertainment not gold freakin bars. If a game is worth these high prices and it's good than I applaud the effort to reprint it so others can enjoy it at a reasonable price. Sorry but I don't think they owe anyone a "heads up" or anything else.
 
[quote name='macdude22']Frankly I don't care if games are reprints. I want to play good games and not pay a mint for it. I don't care about values of collections, mine or yours. This is a damn form of entertainment not gold freakin bars. If a game is worth these high prices and it's good than I applaud the effort to reprint it so others can enjoy it at a reasonable price. Sorry but I don't think they owe anyone a "heads up" or anything else.[/quote]

I can't believe that anyone on this site would get mad at game prices going down. The site is named CHEAP ASS GAMER after all, not Video Game Collector.

I learned a lesson from comic book collecting, the only people who profit are the dealers. On paper a collection may be worth a fortune, but just try to get it's full worth.
 
Just a note I've heard the same types of grumbling from Turbo Graphix owners at a couple conventions that the Wii Virtual Console is devaluing their collections. I'm like I get a shot at playing some fantastic games now that previously would have cost a second mortgage, that's not a bad thing. I understand individuals may have paid high prices for these games but I'm not in it to collect, I want to play fun games. I think it's a little selfish to think that the copyright owners shouldn't reprint these things so that more can enjoy them at a reasonable price just because one thinks it will devalue their collection.
 
[quote name='macdude22']Just a note I've heard the same types of grumbling from Turbo Graphix owners at a couple conventions that the Wii Virtual Console is devaluing their collections. I'm like I get a shot at playing some fantastic games now that previously would have cost a second mortgage, that's not a bad thing. I understand individuals may have paid high prices for these games but I'm not in it to collect, I want to play fun games. I think it's a little selfish to think that the copyright owners shouldn't reprint these things so that more can enjoy them at a reasonable price just because one thinks it will devalue their collection.[/QUOTE]

Depending upon your point of view it can also be viewed as selfish to ruin someone else's hobby because you want to pay 30 dollars less for an old game. There is no right or wrong here, both views are valid. Personally I have a small collection of games that are somewhat rare, which I don't intend to sell. I don't really want to see them reprint (although if they showed up on some online content service I wouldn't care), but if they do I wouldn't feel like Enron 2 just occured and now I need to start selling oranges on a street corner to get by. Some people just like to collect things that are hard to get because they're hard to get, it's a strange hobby, but it's fun all the same.
 
[quote name='Levizk']Depending upon your point of view it can also be viewed as selfish to ruin someone else's hobby because you want to pay 30 dollars less for an old game. There is no right or wrong here, both views are valid. Personally I have a small collection of games that are somewhat rare, which I don't intend to sell. I don't really want to see them reprint (although if they showed up on some online content service I wouldn't care), but if they do I wouldn't feel like Enron 2 just occured and now I need to start selling oranges on a street corner to get by. Some people just like to collect things that are hard to get because they're hard to get, it's a strange hobby, but it's fun all the same.[/quote]
It's one thing to take pride in having a collection of hard to find rare titles. It's something else to moan about a collection losing it's value because of reprints.
 
I'll chime in and say that I have ordered from them for years and love them. I have been able to find titles there that I didn't get soon enough before and became hard to find. Especially some older PS1 games. I never once had a problem with them, unless you count something small like accidentially being shipped the wrong title (old transformers game instead of the new one) as a problem, in which case it was resolved quickly with no trouble.

I think one time there was an issue with an order going through because I placed an order right when they were updating the wbsite, and I actually talked to Marge during the process and everything was okay and she was a big help.

I only oirder what is shown in stock, and it arrives right away in perfect condition, and even once had a special request that fulfilled. So, you can count me in for a positive vote.

And if anyone is listening, i'd like to see a reprint of Discworld.
 
I'd really like to get a reprint of Lunar: Eternal Blue. Just the game and not the extra stuff that originally came with it. I wonder how hard that would be since Working Designs is now gone.
 
I'll give them a chance if they can work out a reprint of Marvel vs Capcom 2 (PS2 and XB) - $70 to $80 + is way too much for me to spend on a used game at gamestop or on fleabay......
 
GQD

Another company doing things the wrong way.

Instead of dropping prices of their games or posting future reprints, they want to weasel their way back into a gamer community.

Here are a few thoughts:

Offer good deals first. Most of their prices are laughable.

Have a write-in voting system on the company website so that people can express their interest in the rare games they would like to own.

If the thought of offering a good deal is too much to bear, buy advertising to get some traffic.
 
the poster above me forgot one last thing:

Bribe me with some free games. I always take bribery quite well.
 
[quote name='Porksta']If they released Thrill Kill, that would be swell.[/QUOTE]

Having played Thrill Kill, no, it would not be swell. Or anywhere near it.
 
[quote name='suko_32']Suikoden II reprint would make me happy, but collectors sad.[/quote]

A reprint on any game would be great.

However, GQD has pawned reprints off as originals, sold these reprints to individuals for more than MSRP before and after their reprint status has been discovered while selling these reprints to EBStop for less than $40.

When GQD reprints a PS2, Xbox or GC game, I will simply wait for the next B2G1F sale at EBStop to buy the game for less than half of GQD's price.

So, I see no incentive in dealing with them directly.
 
if all matters are put aside i think we should give em a chance. it will always be in the back of peoples minds.

having a say to help reprint a game is awesome! seems like game companies are reprinting their games on their own now these days.. although i dont see a very large number of prints for the games. like zone of the enders 2, seems like they just reprinted 100 copies :)

i never see any good deals from this site though to tell you the truth..
 
[quote name='Porksta']If they released Thrill Kill, that would be swell.[/quote]

But see, first they would have to wrest the license from EA's usually greedy corporate hands, who have said that 'they will never sell the license'.

That was truly a shocking announcement from EA, when they acquired Virgin Interactive and almost immediately cancelled TK, which was within 2-3 weeks of release.

I mean, for cripes sake, EA is like the Gamestop of the game publishing world. They routinely buy up the competition and usually are going after the biggest profit imaginable.

I still wanna play TK, just to say I have played it, since I played the game that was later made on its engine(Wu Tang: Shaolin Style)and I can say that that game SUCKED HARD.

So, unless someone like Rockstar were to suddenly get up the bank and buy EA lock stock and barrel, don't expect any sudden release of the TK license for reprinting, since it never even got a SINGLE print in the first place.
 
games like TK that was never release will probably never see the light of day. only because there is not enough people to support its release and given that it was for the playstation it would be impossible to make alot of money.

but.. you can always expect to see it being released either on Xbox Live or Playstation store. it eliminates the cost of printing.. less time & less work. isn't there a petition for this already? or not? count me in if there are!
 
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