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Instead of them revoking used keys, isn't it possible they are negotiating with the publisher for a better rate to help absorb some of the cost? The fact that they say they are "working with the publisher to see what they can do" doesn't necessarily mean that they are revoking anyone's revealed keys.

I understand the mistrust, but we may be putting the cart before the horse here.
 
[quote name='hal']Instead of them revoking used keys, isn't it possible they are negotiating with the publisher for a better rate to help absorb some of the cost? The fact that they say they are "working with the publisher to see what they can do" doesn't necessarily mean that they are revoking anyone's revealed keys.

I understand the mistrust, but we may be putting the cart before the horse here.[/QUOTE]


Okay so ask them to clarify their deliberately vaguely worded statement. And good luck getting a response.

Plus what you are saying basically amounts to 'So, uh, Bethesda, we kind of screwed up on our pricing and want you to give us money back/cut us a deal'.

You can imagine what their reaction might be...
 
For the people who is saying that "If you activated keys is a complete transaction and is safe".

I got the Beth pack, activated all of the keys exept for 2 -> Fallout 3 and Rage.
Still I got the email, and the full refund.

And still my pack is in my library, showing the "unused serials", and the infamous button : show serial.
And the games in my steam account are working fine.
So, i dont know what the fuck is going on or what the fuck they are planning.
Maybe they fucked up the refunds? and refund for EVERYONE?.

Fun fact : I gifted the pack to myself.. so, maybe when you gifted they dont know wtf is?
 
Procedure to decrypt and backup GamersGate Game Setup Files:

[quote name='CrimsonTribe']Can you backup their stuff without installing it? One of the reasons I have been wary of GG is that you need to be on line to activate an installation (as far as I can tell, I most buy steamable games there). I would love to be wrong about this.[/QUOTE]

The installer contact's their servers to unencrypt the installer setup.exe file. I already have all of my GamersGate installers backed up using the following procedure (and you should do it too for any games your worried about losing access to). Which basically removes the need for the installer to contact GamersGate at all, making it a normal unencrypted game installer, taking GamersGate completely out of the equation. You are only backing up the installer files, not installing the game. So this directly answers the question by the poster above.

1. Download installer to an empty directory (preferably already named for the game you are downloading).

2. It should launch into the games setup after downloading. Do not close it, but don't start installing either.

3. Navigate to folder where downloader was stored.

4. You will see the downloader file, and a folder with a random number like "435678", that is the folder where the setup files are stored and currently unencrypted (because the installer is open).

5. Copy all of the contents of the random number folder: example "435678" to the root game folder (where you downloaded the original single .exe file to start downloading the game installation files).

6. After that copy is complete, close the game's setup. It will ask to delete or keep the games setup files, select delete (this will delete the random number folder. Now delete the .exe file (always named for the game your downloading) that downloads the setup files and your done.

7. Done. Some games did come with a serial that will be present of the game's page on your "digital shelf" (look on the right just below the game's profile/avatar pic). Be sure to copy it to a text file in the root game installer folder.

If I didn't explain this well, here's another guide (on GOG of all places):
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/he...ndentify_binary_changes_in_the_launch_f/post1
 
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[quote name='CrimsonTribe']Can you backup their stuff without installing it? One of the reasons I have been wary of GG is that you need to be on line to activate an installation (as far as I can tell, I most buy steamable games there). I would love to be wrong about this.[/QUOTE]

Yes you can! You need to be able to log into your account to download the files, though, so I would suggest doing so as soon as possible. Once you have downloaded the files, you need to click "install" but DO NOT ACTUALLY INSTALL THE GAME -- merely leave the installer active. This will de-encrypt the setup file and keep it de-encrypted (once you install the game, it re-encrypts the setup file and renames it to something like "launcher"). All you have to do now is copy the entire downloaded folder to a new directory (i.e. on an external hard drive) and voila! Instant backup for your install files with no need to log into anything. I've done this with about 30 games that I've downloaded through GamersGate and have never had an issue with it.

EDIT: Ah, Walkonshadows beat me to it.
 
I gifted it to myself and still see it in my all games list.

Problem is I wasn't able to get any of the keys and I did get refunded.

All-in-all I'm probably never going to shop at Gamersgate again.
 
Well so far, I still have the Bethesda Pack in my games list. I only was able to obtain 3 of the Steam keys (Skyrim, Oblivion, and FONV) the morning after the carnage and the remaining ones were gone. I have not received a refund or email from them since the order confirmation email. I did not have to gift this pack to myself.

Not really expecting the remaining keys at this point but it will be interesting to see how this turns out. I will definitely want some sort of refund if they don't send the remaining ones but we'll see.
 
I asked previously, but never saw an answer. Anyone use Moneybookers during any of these pricing fiasco and actually receive a refund? I don't mind them pulling my games - understand completely about that. But if they're going to make me wait for weeks, or actually force me to work to get my refund back as well, then I'm going to be pissed.
 
[quote name='hal']Instead of them revoking used keys, isn't it possible they are negotiating with the publisher for a better rate to help absorb some of the cost? The fact that they say they are "working with the publisher to see what they can do" doesn't necessarily mean that they are revoking anyone's revealed keys. [/QUOTE]

As I said, I'm not so sure it's a matter of negotiating a lower cost, I think it's more negotiating to allow sales to go through at these prices at all. I doubt their agreements with publishers allow complete carte blanche on pricing.
 
[quote name='walkonshadows']
Procedure to decrypt and backup GamersGate Game Setup Files:



The installer contact's their servers to unencrypt the installer setup.exe file. I already have all of my GamersGate installers backed up using the following procedure (and you should do it too for any games your worried about losing access to). Which basically removes the need for the installer to contact GamersGate at all, making it a normal unencrypted game installer, taking GamersGate completely out of the equation. You are only backing up the installer files, not installing the game. So this directly answers the question by the poster above.

1. Download installer to an empty directory (preferably already named for the game you are downloading).

2. It should launch into the games setup after downloading. Do not close it, but don't start installing either.

3. Navigate to folder where downloader was stored.

4. You will see the downloader file, and a folder with a random number like "435678", that is the folder where the setup files are stored and currently unencrypted (because the installer is open).

5. Copy all of the contents of the random number folder: example "435678" to the root game folder (where you downloaded the original single .exe file to start downloading the game installation files).

6. After that copy is complete, close the game's setup. It will ask to delete or keep the games setup files, select delete (this will delete the random number folder. Now delete the .exe file (always named for the game your downloading) that downloads the setup files and your done.

7. Done. Some games did come with a serial that will be present of the game's page on your "digital shelf" (look on the right just below the game's profile/avatar pic). Be sure to copy it to a text file in the root game installer folder.

If I didn't explain this well, here's another guide (on GOG of all places):
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/he...ndentify_binary_changes_in_the_launch_f/post1
[/QUOTE]


Thanks for posting that clearly!

That works. I've done it many times before. I would note that in my limited experience with DRM-FREE downloads the GG Downloader doesn't encrypt the setup.exe. This was at least my experience with the D&D Anthology back in Feb.
 
[quote name='MysterD']LOL.
Now, can I get a serious answer...?[/QUOTE]
- Dead Island GOTY went from $4.99 to $9.99
- GamersGate posted some mea cupla saying they're talking to publishers and would have some sort of answer about the partially claimed Bethesda/BL2 packs next week

That's about it.
 
[quote name='Syntax Error']- Dead Island GOTY went from $4.99 to $9.99
- GamersGate posted some mea cupla saying they're talking to publishers and would have some sort of answer about the partially claimed Bethesda/BL2 packs next week

That's about it.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, man. :D
 
[quote name='MrBonk']So, how can they still be selling games that have no keys on the Beth pack individually, if they have NO KEYS?![/QUOTE]

Because it isn't the same inventory? Because their ability to provide keys isn't just based on having them in stock, but in being allowed to by their agreements with publishers?
 
[quote name='walkonshadows']Procedure to decrypt and backup GamersGate Game Setup Files:

The installer contact's their servers to unencrypt the installer setup.exe file. I already have all of my GamersGate installers backed up using the following procedure (and you should do it too for any games your worried about losing access to). Which basically removes the need for the installer to contact GamersGate at all, making it a normal unencrypted game installer, taking GamersGate completely out of the equation. You are only backing up the installer files, not installing the game. So this directly answers the question by the poster above.

1. Download installer to an empty directory (preferably already named for the game you are downloading).

2. It should launch into the games setup after downloading. Do not close it, but don't start installing either.

3. Navigate to folder where downloader was stored.

4. You will see the downloader file, and a folder with a random number like "435678", that is the folder where the setup files are stored and currently unencrypted (because the installer is open).

5. Copy all of the contents of the random number folder: example "435678" to the root game folder (where you downloaded the original single .exe file to start downloading the game installation files).

6. After that copy is complete, close the game's setup. It will ask to delete or keep the games setup files, select delete (this will delete the random number folder. Now delete the .exe file (always named for the game your downloading) that downloads the setup files and your done.

7. Done. Some games did come with a serial that will be present of the game's page on your "digital shelf" (look on the right just below the game's profile/avatar pic). Be sure to copy it to a text file in the root game installer folder.

If I didn't explain this well, here's another guide (on GOG of all places):
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/he...ndentify_binary_changes_in_the_launch_f/post1
[/QUOTE]

[quote name='DaiMonPaul']Yes you can!
You need to be able to log into your account to download the files, though, so I would suggest doing so as soon as possible. Once you have downloaded the files, you need to click "install" but DO NOT ACTUALLY INSTALL THE GAME -- merely leave the installer active. This will de-encrypt the setup file and keep it de-encrypted (once you install the game, it re-encrypts the setup file and renames it to something like "launcher"). All you have to do now is copy the entire downloaded folder to a new directory (i.e. on an external hard drive) and voila! Instant backup for your install files with no need to log into anything. I've done this with about 30 games that I've downloaded through GamersGate and have never had an issue with it.

EDIT: Ah, Walkonshadows beat me to it.
[/QUOTE]

Thanks guys. This will help a lot. :)

I guess I know what I'll be doing tonight. :\
 
Either their whole system is automated and indeed they can't help me or they don't want to deal with the Bethesda pack stuff anymore.

The ticket I sent December 22

[FONT=Candara, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Hi.

Today/yesterday I brought the Bethesda New Year Collection from the site using Paypal. Everything went fine, the payment was completed and the money was deducted from my Paypal account, I also got my Gamersgate confirmation e-mail.

However a few minutes later I got an e-mail from Paypal that the system had reversed my payment as an anti-fraud measure. Here is the e-mail content, if you need I can forward the original message:

Hello Salvador Valencia,

To assist you, PayPal uses antifraud systems to detect and prevent fraud.

A review of the transaction below raised a suspicion that it may have not been authorized. As a result, we've reversed this transaction.

Transaction Details
Transaction Date: 21/12/2012 22:04:28 GMT-06:00
Transaction Amount: $28.76 USD
Seller's Email: [email protected]



If you have questions or believe this transaction was reversed in error, please log in to your PayPal account and click the Contact Us link.

Sincerely,
PayPal

I got in contact with them immediately to let them know that I had full control over my account and I was the person that I had made the purchase, I also asked them to undo the reverse payment but they told me I had to send the money again, that's the reason I'm asking if you can reissue my invoice so I can pay it again.

Thanks for any help.[/FONT]

This is the response I got today

[FONT=Candara, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Hi
I'm really sorry to see that you experience these issues. Im afraid we are unable to reissue and debit customers apart from the system.

---
Best regards,
Ashot P.
Customer Service @ GamersGate

Please note: additional replies to a ticket may extend the reply time. [/FONT]

And they closed the ticket, at this point I'm not sure about what should I do since my order is still marked as Complete/Paid and I was able to retrieve all my keys.
 
[quote name='walkonshadows']Procedure to decrypt and backup GamersGate Game Setup Files:



[guide]


If I didn't explain this well, here's another guide (on GOG of all places):
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/he...ndentify_binary_changes_in_the_launch_f/post1[/QUOTE]

[quote name='DaiMonPaul']Yes you can! You need to be able to log into your account to download the files, though, so I would suggest doing so as soon as possible. Once you have downloaded the files, you need to click "install" but DO NOT ACTUALLY INSTALL THE GAME -- merely leave the installer active. This will de-encrypt the setup file and keep it de-encrypted (once you install the game, it re-encrypts the setup file and renames it to something like "launcher"). All you have to do now is copy the entire downloaded folder to a new directory (i.e. on an external hard drive) and voila! Instant backup for your install files with no need to log into anything. I've done this with about 30 games that I've downloaded through GamersGate and have never had an issue with it.

EDIT: Ah, Walkonshadows beat me to it.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, this is extremely helpful!
 
Hmmmm, mostly TL:DR, but a lot of melodrama here.

Personally, I know these types of things are glitches and order them with the hope they go through, but if they don't, get reversed/refunded then it's whatever to me. I usually don't waste too much of my time placing an order (though these recent glitches sure took a long time for some people) so if it gets cancelled then it's not that big of a deal.

GG definitely messed up and it's their own fault for their crappy site/system/database, but then you've got resellers and slickdealers who exploited the crap out of this which essentially ruined it for everyone. Before they honored the glitches likely because they just took the loss, but with Bethesda I'd think they had 1000s of orders and the same amount for the Borderlands 2 thing.
 
[quote name='CheapLikeAFox']Hmmmm, mostly TL:DR, but a lot of melodrama here.

Personally, I know these types of things are glitches and order them with the hope they go through, but if they don't, get reversed/refunded then it's whatever to me. I usually don't waste too much of my time placing an order (though these recent glitches sure took a long time for some people) so if it gets cancelled then it's not that big of a deal.

GG definitely messed up and it's their own fault for their crappy site/system/database, but then you've got resellers and slickdealers who exploited the crap out of this which essentially ruined it for everyone. Before they honored the glitches likely because they just took the loss, but with Bethesda I'd think they had 1000s of orders and the same amount for the Borderlands 2 thing.[/QUOTE]


This. Was going to stay out of this but, then again, I'm not one to mind who I offend. That said there are a couple of categories here:

1) If you bought one of these glitched deals, were able to redeem a few of the keys on Steam and/or sell them, and got a refund you should pretty well cease all complaining because, congratulations, you got free games. Free triple AAA fairly current release games that generally retail (even on sales) upwards of $20-$30.

2) If you bought one of these glitched deals, were able to redeem and keep/sell a few keys but didn't get a refund... okay I can sort of see why you'd be a bit upset.

3) If you bought one of the glitched deals, couldn't get any keys, and didn't get a refund, yeah you should be pissed.
 
Now I'm not in the #1 category for the record but

[quote name='Mooby']...congratulations, you got free games...[/QUOTE]


People keep saying this, but I'm not convinced they won't have the keys revoked somehow. I can't imagine they would refund people for already activated keys for fairly expensive games without at least attempting to get those keys back.

Now I admit it's going to be a real tough sell to Bethesda but even so I don't think anyone should consider that they are completely out of the woods just yet.
 
I will give you it's a wait and see proposition on that one but I would be amazed if they started yanking keys from Steam. That would open a huge can of worms re: digital games and 'ownership' -- shit you better believe Bethesda, 2K, and Valve don't want visited on a large scale, in the media, the court of public opinion, etc.

Suffice to say that, as of now and without knowing more, anyone who has actually gotten a refund should probably stop with the hand wringing.
 
There were a lot of people splitting packs to. If their keys get revoked, the sellers are obligated to refund. But how do they do that if they haven't been refunded? Normally I would be upset with the people who bought multiple copies, but I sat there for 3 hours trying to get that page to load and never could to buy my own pack. A fellow BGCQ offered to split the pack with me, so I stand to lose 5 games. He stands to lose much more. I won't be asking for the money back if revoked, since in this case it was donated to charity. But revoking Steam keys would set a dangerous precedent. How many people have already bought dlc for those games?
 
I stopped paying attention after all the snide comments about suing GG. What's the general outlook on gifted bundles? Any decisive evidence been posted here or on reddit yet? Two people are asking me what's going to happen to the games in their account.
 
[quote name='Mooby']This. Was going to stay out of this but, then again, I'm not one to mind who I offend. That said there are a couple of categories here:

1) If you bought one of these glitched deals, were able to redeem a few of the keys on Steam and/or sell them, and got a refund you should pretty well cease all complaining because, congratulations, you got free games. Free triple AAA fairly current release games that generally retail (even on sales) upwards of $20-$30.

2) If you bought one of these glitched deals, were able to redeem and keep/sell a few keys but didn't get a refund... okay I can sort of see why you'd be a bit upset.

3) If you bought one of the glitched deals, couldn't get any keys, and didn't get a refund, yeah you should be pissed.[/QUOTE]

Thing is i don't want a refund i just want the two missing keys from my library that they promised me were going to be available on January and the right to keep my games.
 
[quote name='Blade']I stopped paying attention after all the snide comments about suing GG. What's the general outlook on gifted bundles? Any decisive evidence been posted here or on reddit yet? Two people are asking me what's going to happen to the games in their account.[/QUOTE]

Nobody knows, hence the snide comments.

*Edit: Gamersgate posted a statement and while vague that's all we know for now. Basically we have to wait until next week apparently to hear any more now.

http://www.gamersgate.com/info/holiday-sale-issue

*Edit2: I noticed they corrected the "bare with us" to "bear with us" ;)
 
[quote name='Motoki']Okay so ask them to clarify their deliberately vaguely worded statement. And good luck getting a response.

Plus what you are saying basically amounts to 'So, uh, Bethesda, we kind of screwed up on our pricing and want you to give us money back/cut us a deal'.

You can imagine what their reaction might be...[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I really don't know how that conversation would go, which was kind of my point.

I think it's fair to harbor some mistrust for a company that hasn't always been forthcoming with their plans.
 
[quote name='Blade']I stopped paying attention after all the snide comments about suing GG. What's the general outlook on gifted bundles? Any decisive evidence been posted here or on reddit yet? Two people are asking me what's going to happen to the games in their account.[/QUOTE]

Well, I helped some CAGs get BL2 at cost and from what I know their keys worked. That said, if they get revoked they will get their money back when I get refunded by GG. But I sold them at cost, so I can see it maybe being a different situation for the people who sold for profit. So far the only order they have refunded me is the Ghost Recon FW one, but I paid with Blue Coins. From my understanding it takes a while to process refunds through paypal.



[quote name='Bort_']Either their whole system is automated and indeed they can't help me or they don't want to deal with the Bethesda pack stuff anymore.

The ticket I sent December 22

[FONT=Candara, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Hi.

Today/yesterday I brought the Bethesda New Year Collection from the site using Paypal. Everything went fine, the payment was completed and the money was deducted from my Paypal account, I also got my Gamersgate confirmation e-mail.

However a few minutes later I got an e-mail from Paypal that the system had reversed my payment as an anti-fraud measure. Here is the e-mail content, if you need I can forward the original message:

Hello Salvador Valencia,

To assist you, PayPal uses antifraud systems to detect and prevent fraud.

A review of the transaction below raised a suspicion that it may have not been authorized. As a result, we've reversed this transaction.

Transaction Details
Transaction Date: 21/12/2012 22:04:28 GMT-06:00
Transaction Amount: $28.76 USD
Seller's Email: [email protected]



If you have questions or believe this transaction was reversed in error, please log in to your PayPal account and click the Contact Us link.

Sincerely,
PayPal

I got in contact with them immediately to let them know that I had full control over my account and I was the person that I had made the purchase, I also asked them to undo the reverse payment but they told me I had to send the money again, that's the reason I'm asking if you can reissue my invoice so I can pay it again.

Thanks for any help.[/FONT]

This is the response I got today

[FONT=Candara, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Hi
I'm really sorry to see that you experience these issues. Im afraid we are unable to reissue and debit customers apart from the system.

---
Best regards,
Ashot P.
Customer Service @ GamersGate

Please note: additional replies to a ticket may extend the reply time. [/FONT]

And they closed the ticket, at this point I'm not sure about what should I do since my order is still marked as Complete/Paid and I was able to retrieve all my keys.[/QUOTE]

From what I read, you did your best to try to pay them for what you got, they tell you they basically have no way for you to pay them outside of ordering something from them through their site. You did the right thing. I would just enjoy your games and let it go. If say 6 months from now you still have your keys and feel the need to make things right by karma, just shop at GG and repay em that way.

[quote name='jrodri86']Thing is i don't want a refund i just want the two missing keys from my library that they promised me were going to be available on January and the right to keep my games.[/QUOTE]

Out of curiosity what games did you get and what games are you waiting for? I'm different in that if I got maybe Dishonored and Skyrim for $30 and they end up never giving me two other random keys I would call it a draw and move on.
 
[quote name='Motoki']*Edit2: I noticed they corrected the "bare with us" to "bear with us" ;)[/QUOTE]

In their defense, I'm always screwing that one up too.

Oh and I've finished all the non-1C games and I'm now working on the big 1C pack. But there's 86 games in that pack. So 3 hours into this, I'm still in the "C's". This is gonna take all weekend. :(
 
[quote name='jrodri86']Thing is i don't want a refund i just want the two missing keys from my library that they promised me were going to be available on January and the right to keep my games.[/QUOTE]


But... if you get a refund you can just take that money and buy (assuming you just don't want them to resell) the games elsewhere (again assuming they don't yank the keys you already redeemed). Guessing you'd still come out ahead. Especially if we're talking about the Bethesda pack and those two games aren't Dishonored and Skyrim.

[quote name='nategator']It's a sad day when some CAGers are rushing to the defense of "permanent discount" GamersGate.[/QUOTE]


I won't defend GG, it's a pretty broken operation but I do think some people here are being overly dramatic.
 
[quote name='Mooby']But... if you get a refund you can just take that money and buy the games elsewhere (again assuming they don't yank the keys you already redeemed). Guessing you'd still come out ahead. Especially if we're talking about the Bethesda pack and those two gamers aren't Dishonored and Skyrim.[/QUOTE]

Why do you care Mooby?
 
[quote name='The End']In their defense, I'm always screwing that one up too.

Oh and I've finished all the non-1C games and I'm now working on the big 1C pack. But there's 86 games in that pack. So 3 hours into this, I'm still in the "C's". This is gonna take all weekend. :([/QUOTE]

The End, just keep going til you reach The End, just keep going til you reach The End, just keep going til you reach The End, just keep going til you reach The End, just keep going til you reach The End, just keep going til you reach The End, just keep going til you reach The End, just keep going til you reach The End, just keep going til you reach The End .....


Yes, it's late and I did think that was funny. :)
 
[quote name='nategator']Why do you care Mooby?[/QUOTE]


Why do you care that I care? I'm stating an opinion. I'd find it laughable if someone were angry if: 1) They got all their keys but say... FO3 and Rogue Warrior, 2) They get to keep the keys they redeemed, and 3) they get the pack fully refunded.
 
[quote name='Mooby']Why do you care that I care? I'm stating an opinion.[/QUOTE]

Because just glancing at the last few pages your opinions look like they are designed to upset people who might be nervous about their keys getting revoked.

And I don't think that's a cool thing to do. Some folks might have purchased a key from another CAGer and won't know if their money will be refunded. Others might have sold some keys, relying on GG twitter statements, and are concerned that they will have to unwind those trades somehow.

Additional statement you added
I'd find it laughable if someone were angry if: 1) They got all their keys but say... FO3 and Rogue Warrior, 2) They get to keep the keys they redeemed, and 3) they get the pack fully refunded.
Click to expand...
Which proves my point. If you are just here to find stuff laughable at others' expense, then you're trolling.

I gotta run for awhile, so I've said my peace. I encourage you to rethink some of the stuff you are doing on this thread. Thanks!
 
You're reading things into my statements that aren't there. I've also qualified everything I've said with the assumption that no redeemed keys will be pulled on more than one occasion.

[quote name='nategator']I encourage you to rethink some of the stuff you are doing on this thread. Thanks![/QUOTE]


Not going to happen. If all the conditions I laid out are met and people still complain then, yes, objectively speaking they are being overly dramatic and, yes, it would be laughable. They'd essentially be complaining about receiving $40ish in free Steam keys versus $50ish in free Steam keys. If it's 'trolling' to think that then so be it. And, again (despite the fact that I've clarified it multiple times) none of those 'laughable' comments are directed at people who have yet to receive a refund. As I've already stated: if people haven't received a refund they have every right to be upset.
 
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[quote name='Mooby']... I'd find it laughable if someone were angry if... They got all their keys but say... FO3 and Rogue Warrior...[/QUOTE]

I don't care, I WANT MY DAMN GAMES, MOOBY!!! :)

[quote name='Mooby']You're reading things into my statements that aren't there. I've also qualified everything I've said with the assumption that no redeemed keys will be pulled.[/QUOTE]

I also highly doubt that any keys will be revoked. It's too much of a hassle for all parties involved. Of course, GamersGate would probably go to great lengths, I'm not sure the others would. Also, why the hell would Steam or Bethesda work to resolve a mistake that was made on GamersGate's behalf? Rhetorical question, please don't answer it..!
 
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