GameStop in trouble?

seanr1221

CAGiversary!
Feedback
27 (100%)
http://kotaku.com/5205385/gamestop-sells-played-games-as-new-sources-say-practice-could-be-illegal

The alleged practice of GameStop lending new copies of games to employees at their stores and then later selling those games as new, unused copies, may be a violation of federal law.

GameStop's "check-out" policy, confirmed to Kotaku by a number of the chain's managers and employees, could fall under scrutiny of the Federal Trade Commission.

Reached for comment this afternoon, GameStop officials declined to comment.

"We do not comment on corporate policies that are competitive in nature," said Chris Olivera, vice president of corporate communications. "As your questions relate to company training, operations and discounting practices, I would not be able to provide feedback."

Kotaku contacted the FTC earlier today to determine if the practice, which sells games already played by employees at the new price, not the used price—used titles are typically priced about $5 cheaper than brand new versions—would be considered deceptive advertising or marketing. The FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection is mandated to protect consumers against unfair or deceptive acts or practices in commerce. Violations of FTC restrictions are a violation of federal law, according to the commission.

"The Federal Trade Commission protects consumers from unfair or deceptive advertising and marketing practices, and we encourage any consumer with a complaint about a company's business practices to contact us," said FTC public affairs specialist Betsy Lordan.

Lordan said she was unable to confirm or deny the existence of any investigation that the commission is conducting. As a rule the FTC does not comment on the conduct of a particular business.

The company's check-out policy, provided to us and verified by a number of GameStop employees states:

Associates are allowed to check out one item of store merchandise for personal use for up to four days. Merchandise checkout is a privilege, not a right, and may be revoked at any time.

Hardware, accessories, sealed CDs or software programs that must be altered to install may not be checked out. If the on-hand quantity of a product equals one, the item cannot be checked out. Hot titles may also be prohibited from being checked out, regardless of the on-hand quantity in the store.

Associates may only check out items from the store in which they work. Associates are personally responsible for any merchandise they are allowed to check out.

Merchandise must be properly checked out in the Employee Merchandise Check Out Log in the Game Planner.

If the product is returned in unsellable condition, or if anything is missing from the package, or if the product is not returned, the Associate must purchase the product at the current price less Associate discount.

Copying of the software and/or manuals/instructions is illegal and is strictly prohibited. Merchandise that leaves the store without being properly checked out or purchase is considered to be unauthorized removal of Company property and may result in performance coaching up to and including termination of your employment.

According to a number of GameStop employees and managers across the country, all of which spoke to us on the condition of anonymity, new copies of games rented out to employees are often mixed in with the unplayed display copies. And both are sold at "new" prices.

When a shipment of video games initially arrives at a store, managers are told to "gut" several copies of the game, removing the disc or cartridge from the packaging so it can be displayed on the shelf without concern of theft, according to our sources.

The games are then placed in protective sleeves or cases under the counter. If a customer asks why the game is not sealed they are typically told the the game is a display copy. The game is still sold as new.

When check-out games are returned, we were told, they are placed with the gutted display copies. If a customer asks about these, they are typically told they are display copies, not that they have been played before.

Since the copies are often placed with display copies, even managers and employees typically don't know which of these games have been played and which haven't.

While some GameStop managers will on occasion offer a "Shop Worn Discount" for a gutted or checked out title, we are told by our sources that this is actually against GameStop policy which states:

"Do not apply Shop Worn Discounts to any new, used or checked out games, it may only be applied for damaged packaging and new accessories which have been opened."

Headquartered in Grapevine, Texas, GameStop is the world's largest video game retailer, operating nearly 6,000 stores worldwide. The company's revenue was $8.8 billion in 2008.


I'm not shocked, but I wonder why it took this long for anything to (maybe) happen.
 
That's so cute, it actually looks like real news. Kotaku has come so far. Unfortunately, nothing has happened. They just confirmed what the check out policy is and pulled some generic quote from a form letter with an FTC official's name attached to it. This article may have made some difference if they cited statutes that forbid the check out system.

Now commence bitching about gutted games for 10 pages.
 
[quote name='ninja dog']Now commence bitching about gutted games for 10 pages.[/QUOTE]

:)

About time. I've gotten so many "new" copies that had fingerprints or scratches on them. I stopped buying from GS unless they are the only ones that have what I want.

I still remember the "new" copy of Far Cry PC I bought, that had scratches on all 5 discs. The top of the box was sealed, the bottom was opened. :bomb:
 
Well, they need to pony up the dough for display cases. I get that there's like six million Gamestop stores, but you know when Block"BrokeAss"Bluster can find it in themselves to utilize display cases, you've got problems.
 
There was a thread recently started by someone who said selling opened games as new should be outlawed. And I said that's fraud, which is already outlawed. I think that applies here, too.
 
i had no idea they did that kind of stuff. thts some bigtime shady shit. i could see if they let them use used games but new ones and then sell them used? wow.
 
[quote name='ninja dog']That's so cute, it actually looks like real news. Kotaku has come so far. Unfortunately, nothing has happened. They just confirmed what the check out policy is and pulled some generic quote from a form letter with an FTC official's name attached to it. This article may have made some difference if they cited statutes that forbid the check out system.[/quote]

Exactly. This has been going on forever. It's nothing new. And no one has thought to do a thing about it. So, all of a sudden, it's news? I think not.

If GameStop is letting employees take these things home and then sell them as "new," that's bullshit. The consumer should be informed about such a thing, and it should be sold as what it is...used. But if they are just opened, there is nothing deceptive about it at all. You can clearly see that they are trying to sell you an opened game. If you don't want it, don't buy it. It's that simple. I know I have passed on them many times.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Exactly. This has been going on forever. It's nothing new. And no one has thought to do a thing about it. So, all of a sudden, it's news? I think not.

If GameStop is letting employees take these things home and then sell them as "new," that's bullshit. The consumer should be informed about such a thing, and it should be sold as what it is...used. But if they are just opened, there is nothing deceptive about it at all. You can clearly see that they are trying to sell you an opened game. If you don't want it, don't buy it. It's that simple. I know I have passed on them many times.[/QUOTE]
And when they reseal the games?
 
I just hope and pray something big time goes down with this.

I had a friend who was an EB/GameStop employee/manager for nearly 10 years (was actually fired for something totally unrelated), dating back to the PSOne days. I can remember countless games that he "borrowed" from the store (for himself and me as well, as I have a huge collection of burned PSOne games still sitting in my closet), took home, copied to HD/another disc, took back to the store, re-shrink-ed (right in front of me), and sold as "new".

Bottom line: this is the most criminal thing that goes on in retail. Stores that re-sell returned clothes is one thing - this is a business that deals in "used" games not calling a spade a spade.
 
The reality is that GS will get a heavy fine or most likely they'll receive an order to cease and desist. Nothing more will come of it.

If they were selling "used" games as new then it would be a bigger deal but that's not the case.
 
They are really the only retailer doing this, so honestly I don't know how they are getting away with it. I have basically stopped shopping at Gamestop because of this. They also seem to be gutting every game these days, not just 1 copy for display. I have seen 5+ copies of a game being gutted, and another person on here counted 19 copies of Pokemon Platinum gutted recently. This is getting outrageous.

It is illegal because we don't really know if those gutted games are played or not, they could easily be passing us used games as new without us knowing it.

IMO any opened game should be sold as used, whether it was actually used or not. An opened game should be considered used, period.

The manufacturers of games I am sure would happily send out display boxes, so there really is no excuse for this. Every other retailer has a system where they don't have to open the games up so I don't see why Gamestop can't comply as well.

I haven't bought anything there in at least 5 months, every time I want a game I just head for ebay, its cheaper to buy them on ebay too!

If they stop gutting games and mark all opened copies as used, then yes, I will go back to shopping with them.
 
[quote name='rickonker']And when they reseal the games?[/quote]

I've never, ever heard of one GS resealing games and passing them off as factory-sealed. If you have a link or some evidence, I'd love to see. All I know that they do is offer to seal the game for you if you want. Again, I'm not saying you're wrong. I simply have never heard of this happening, though. Ever. And I've seen just about every accusation thrown at GS.

[quote name='SaraAB']The manufacturers of games I am sure would happily send out display boxes, so there really is no excuse for this. Every other retailer has a system where they don't have to open the games up so I don't see why Gamestop can't comply as well..[/quote]

The reality is, as far as GameStop is concerned, they already make a slim profit on new games. Their big business is in the used sector. So, any method by which they can cut corners, they will. And considering that the majority of the customers do not care about this policy, they will simply keep doing it. For every CAG-like customer who balks at their opened games, ten soccer moms don't even think twice.
 
To the complainers: Just don't buy opened "new" games. It's not GameStop that's at fault, it's you for buying the games in the first place. Btw, how come most of you still buy "gutted" games if you don't like them? Why hurt yourself and blame GameStop? I hate GameStop haters.
 
There's actually a note at the bottom of the return policy saying that the games may have been used and returned. It's posted in all the stores. I'd say they probably don't have to worry about anything. And while I don't buy anythng gutted, I understand why they do it and don't think it's a bad thing.
 
[quote name='ninja dog']That's so cute, it actually looks like real news. Kotaku has come so far. Unfortunately, nothing has happened. They just confirmed what the check out policy is and pulled some generic quote from a form letter with an FTC official's name attached to it. This article may have made some difference if they cited statutes that forbid the check out system.

Now commence bitching about gutted games for 10 pages.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
 
[quote name='Cyborger']To the complainers: Just don't buy opened "new" games. It's not GameStop that's at fault, it's you for buying the games in the first place. Btw, how come most of you still buy "gutted" games if you don't like them? Why hurt yourself and blame GameStop? I hate GameStop haters.[/quote]
It's just a pain in the ass when you got to buy a game and Gamestop says they have some copies and you go in and they give you an opened one with stickers all over it...

...Then when you say, "No thanks I want a NEW one" they get all bitchy at you saying, "Well, WE CAN shrink wrap it for you. That's all it doesn't have". Thanks, let me go give this as a gift opened... "Here you go Jim, I opened and played it already! Have fun!"

So then, ya gotta drive around finding another place that has it. When they could have just NOT have gutted it. Friggen put the display copy in the security display cases or make some placards to put on the wall (like Blockbuster does). They don't cause they're cheap bastards, yet they gloat about how they have a TON of money from all the used games they scammed from the public.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']I've never, ever heard of one GS resealing games and passing them off as factory-sealed. If you have a link or some evidence, I'd love to see. All I know that they do is offer to seal the game for you if you want. Again, I'm not saying you're wrong. I simply have never heard of this happening, though. Ever. And I've seen just about every accusation thrown at GS.

[/QUOTE]

On more than a few occasions when I've asked for a sealed game they've pulled out a resealed copy complete with Gamestop price sticker underneath the cheap shrink wrap job.
 
[quote name='Josef']On more than a few occasions when I've asked for a sealed game they've pulled out a resealed copy complete with Gamestop price sticker underneath the cheap shrink wrap job.[/quote]

Wow, well, that's pretty stupid. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone bring this up, and I thought I had heard just about everything about GameStop. Kind of obvious that the game isn't factory-sealed, though, if the price sticker is under the wrap.
 
I purchased a rock band guitar from Gamestop (wireless, 360, "new") -- got it home, the tilt didn't work. Per their return policy, took it in for exchange. I asked if I could test the new one in the store, they said "no". Got the second one home, it had a busted button. GS then refused to take my return. When I left, I was angry, and pushed the door too hard. It banged open and the manager came running at me in the lot screaming about how he was going to call the cops since I damaged "his" property.

I pulled out my phone, called 911 and told them calmy who I was, that there was a screaming lunatic in my face blocking my exit from his parking lot, and that I'd like police protection.

Needless to say, I don't shop at Gamestop anymore. I am not at all shocked by this new news. Used game stores used to be all over, with local employees and decent policies. They were still a rip off (buy from me for $5, sell to me at $40), but at least they were consumer friendly.

Consider Play N Trade or a local shop befor Gamestop. You'll be glad you did.

Edit: Harmonix made my guitar situation right.
 
[quote name='Josef']On more than a few occasions when I've asked for a sealed game they've pulled out a resealed copy complete with Gamestop price sticker underneath the cheap shrink wrap job.[/QUOTE]

Dear god even I have never seen this one. The worst I would say is multiple stickered new games, with the sticker placed directly on the spine of the insert.
 
If it's still mint, then I don't mind, but more than not they give you the case that was on display that has noticeable scuffs and stickers on it.

To play devil's advocate, when you buy a new car do you expect it to have 0 miles on it? Odds are someone (you even) test drove it. I know my car had to be driven 45 miles from another dealership to get the model I wanted. Still new?
 
[quote name='QiG']If it's still mint, then I don't mind, but more than not they give you the case that was on display that has noticeable scuffs and stickers on it.

To play devil's advocate, when you buy a new car do you expect it to have 0 miles on it? Odds are someone (you even) test drove it. I know my car had to be driven 45 miles from another dealership to get the model I wanted. Still new?[/QUOTE]

Bad comparison. If every dealer but one sold cars at 0 mileage it would be closer, but still not an accurate comparison.
 
[quote name='SaraAB']They are really the only retailer doing this, so honestly I don't know how they are getting away with it. I have basically stopped shopping at Gamestop because of this. They also seem to be gutting every game these days, not just 1 copy for display. I have seen 5+ copies of a game being gutted, and another person on here counted 19 copies of Pokemon Platinum gutted recently. This is getting outrageous.[/QUOTE]Actually, no. Some or all FYE locations do it. I remember KB Toys when around was doing it (selling the display case). There were some CC (and maybe Best Buy) locations that did it. GameStop is the most widespread though. Well, whether those retailers had their employees play the games is another story, but they were still trying to sell opened games as new.

I remember back in the old days, EB/Babbage's/GameStop/Software Etc. would shrink wrap the games just so you'd think they were new. I remember buying Phantom Dust on Xbox, thinking I bought a new copy, but they shrink wrapped a copy full of price tags and stuff (case was dirty too). Some Xbox games last gen were shrink wrapped, which is why I thought it still might have been new (I remember PGR2 came that way at Meijer).
 
There are different expectations for different products. When you buy a new car, you realize that it has been used already. Even if it was never, ever test driven, it will still have had someone sit in it and use it, just to get it onto the lot. When you buy a new game, you don't expect it to have been taken home and played by some hourly retail employee.

And yes, the poster before me is 100% correct. GS is not the only business that does this. Numerous FYE stores around me...ones in less desirable real estate markets...also open their games.
 
[quote name='Friend of Sonic']Well, they need to pony up the dough for display cases. I get that there's like six million Gamestop stores, but you know when Block"BrokeAss"Bluster can find it in themselves to utilize display cases, you've got problems.[/QUOTE]

The funny thing is they already get display cases for games that are not out yet .
Why the fuck don't they just keep them ?

I hope they get busted the way Chrysler did back in 1987 .

http://books.google.com/books?id=PQ...4ZykCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2
 
the gamestop lets my brother take games home for a week play them bring them back in a week. They give him full credit and then still sell it as new. He dosn't work there



Simple idea don't buy from them. Go to bestbuy to get your new games. Pay on rewards card and get free games!
 
[quote name='QiG']If it's still mint, then I don't mind, but more than not they give you the case that was on display that has noticeable scuffs and stickers on it.

To play devil's advocate, when you buy a new car do you expect it to have 0 miles on it? Odds are someone (you even) test drove it. I know my car had to be driven 45 miles from another dealership to get the model I wanted. Still new?[/QUOTE]

If you buy a new DVD or Blu-Ray, do you expect someone to "test drive" it before your purchase? A videogame is a lot more like a DVD than a car.
 
First day, preordered purchases only for me when it comes to new stuff at Gamestop. I managed a video game store with Gamestops as direct competition and worked at a Gamestop very briefly. I know what goes on there. And yes, checking out games to employees has been around forever.
 
The only thing that might come of this is that gamestop will stop the practice of letting employees "borrow" games.

If this was such a huge problem, this would have been brought up years ago. This has been going on for a VERY long time. With gamestop having some of the highest revenues they've ever had, you can bet that the public could not give two shits that they continue this practice.
 
I hope that gamestop stays in trouble, cause if they have more clearance sales like they did last weekend (hooray for $30 valkyria chronicles), then I won't be complaining.
 
[quote name='Nick The Newbie']I hope that gamestop stays in trouble, cause if they have more clearance sales like they did last weekend (hooray for $30 valkyria chronicles), then I won't be complaining.[/QUOTE]

they have clearance last year too so it is nothing new
 
bread's done
Back
Top