Gentrification

Wow, this just gets better all the time...

Yep, Native Americans got royally screwed over. To that there is no debate. I merely brought up WWII as the most recent major persecution in history as an allegory to "people moving on" which seemingly hasn't happened to other cultures. Then again, most natives that I know are just fine with me being white and don't feel that their lives are over before they begin due to whitey's plan against non-whites.

What's most fun about it all though, is that everytime you come up with a success story, point to the falsehoods of modern racism, etc... someone is always there to say that somewhere between 50 and 250 years ago bad things happened so good things can't ever happen.

But that's ok, I have no say in the argument since I'm the big racist prick who suggests better family planning and avoiding situations and circumstances by which you'll end up as part of the statistics that are used to keep your race suspicious of the motivations of whitey.

Slavery = Forgetting Milk?
Jesus christ. What the hell is wrong with you if you actually think I was drawing that conclusion? The point is merely that bringing it up over and over again does nothing for the current situation.

Another good one from the dohdough file of character assassination:
Besides, slavery between tribes in Africa was very common so it isn't a 100% sureity that slave decendents would NOT have been slave decendents had they not been sold by their fellow countrymen or abducted.

That is exactly what I wrote in my post. I would like someone to show me how that can be construed as "LOLZ...yeah...those African savages were better off under slavery than in Africa." I mean really, if that's the level of reading comprehension that you have, it's no wonder we get mired into this BS everytime. There is absolutely nothing in my statement about being better off for being here instead of in the motherland. What is very clearly stated is that it is not a sure-thing that a slave brought to America would not have been a slave in their native land. How is that confusing? Or is it just that you have so much fun putting words into other people's mouths?
 
[quote name='nasum']Another good one from the dohdough file of character assassination:
Besides, slavery between tribes in Africa was very common so it isn't a 100% sureity that slave decendents would NOT have been slave decendents had they not been sold by their fellow countrymen or abducted.

That is exactly what I wrote in my post. I would like someone to show me how that can be construed as "LOLZ...yeah...those African savages were better off under slavery than in Africa." I mean really, if that's the level of reading comprehension that you have, it's no wonder we get mired into this BS everytime. There is absolutely nothing in my statement about being better off for being here instead of in the motherland. What is very clearly stated is that it is not a sure-thing that a slave brought to America would not have been a slave in their native land. How is that confusing? Or is it just that you have so much fun putting words into other people's mouths?[/QUOTE]

That was the part of your post I found the most stupid. "...Well, they mighta been slaves anyway!"

Uh, being enslaved a couple hundred miles from your tribe is a little different than taking an intercontinental boat ride where you'll likely die, then have your progeny be enslaved for a century afterwards. Also, I'm guessing you just don't know any better, but many times those slaves amongst tribes that were captured in war, could be bought back by the tribe they belonged to or through treaties and trade.

The Arabian slave traders were well known to free slaves as part of charity (I know, how very noble, right, but still in an era of approved slavery, it's at least a gesture) while many more slaves were purchased by wealthy Arab businessmen for the sole purpose of freeing them with nothing in return. Slavery is horrible either way, but I think the international Trans-Atlantic slave trade, and the intertribal slave trade is different by just a tad.

Kinda like a crashed Cessna is bad, but a crashed 747 is worse.
 
[quote name='nasum']Wow, this just gets better all the time...

Yep, Native Americans got royally screwed over. To that there is no debate. I merely brought up WWII as the most recent major persecution in history as an allegory to "people moving on" which seemingly hasn't happened to other cultures. Then again, most natives that I know are just fine with me being white and don't feel that their lives are over before they begin due to whitey's plan against non-whites.

What's most fun about it all though, is that everytime you come up with a success story, point to the falsehoods of modern racism, etc... someone is always there to say that somewhere between 50 and 250 years ago bad things happened so good things can't ever happen.

But that's ok, I have no say in the argument since I'm the big racist prick who suggests better family planning and avoiding situations and circumstances by which you'll end up as part of the statistics that are used to keep your race suspicious of the motivations of whitey.

Slavery = Forgetting Milk?
Jesus christ. What the hell is wrong with you if you actually think I was drawing that conclusion? The point is merely that bringing it up over and over again does nothing for the current situation.

Another good one from the dohdough file of character assassination:
Besides, slavery between tribes in Africa was very common so it isn't a 100% sureity that slave decendents would NOT have been slave decendents had they not been sold by their fellow countrymen or abducted.

That is exactly what I wrote in my post. I would like someone to show me how that can be construed as "LOLZ...yeah...those African savages were better off under slavery than in Africa." I mean really, if that's the level of reading comprehension that you have, it's no wonder we get mired into this BS everytime. There is absolutely nothing in my statement about being better off for being here instead of in the motherland. What is very clearly stated is that it is not a sure-thing that a slave brought to America would not have been a slave in their native land. How is that confusing? Or is it just that you have so much fun putting words into other people's mouths?[/QUOTE]
Wait, so now we're back to blaming the victims of institutional racism? If the US really wanted to help these poor people, they'd have reparations in the form of socio-economic polices that helped whites in the 40's and 50's. Fat chance of that happening.

How far away is what I'm saying that you say and what you actually say? Not very far. "They would've probably been enslaved in Africa too herp derp." Really dude?

Its better to talk about it than remain silent as if I tacitly approve how things are. And its especially much better than saying to just drop it because that person is tired of hearing it. Well guess what: you might be tired of hearing it, but at least you don't have to live it. Either help or get the fuck out of our way.
 
Who wants to bet we spend at least 90 times more (which is a gross underestimation) on welfare programs for the poor than aid for israel.

I always love the line "we give billions (3) to israel, and what do our poor get?". Hundreds of billions.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Who wants to bet we spend at least 90 times more (which is a gross underestimation) on welfare programs for the poor than aid for israel.

I always love the line "we give billions (3) to israel, and what do our poor get?". Hundreds of billions.[/QUOTE]

lol
 
[quote name='berzirk']I know! Haa haa. It's not even worth responding, is it? Heh.[/QUOTE]

I will just assume you don't have a response.
 
[quote name='Knoell']I will just assume you don't have a response.[/QUOTE]

That's exactly it. You busted me. Arguing with you is like arguing with my four year old. I can beat him with logic, but logic doesn't register, so even if he hasn't made any sense, he still thinks he won. If I disagree that Mickey Mouse is the greatest cartoon character and present logical reasons why, if he thinks he's beat, he'll tell me applesauce is better than cheese. This is what you do. You ramble about something, don't make sense, don't respond with logic or reasoning, then go on to talk about something you know even less about. It makes me laugh.

You're an idiot on many international issues so there's no point in really going back and forth. It's fun for me a couple of times cause I can be certain I'm arguing with someone I'm smarter than, but then it gets annoying and unrewarding. There are plenty of people on CAG that are MUCH smarter than me, but brotha, you ain't one of them. So that's my full response, and I feel kinda mean for making it so blunt.
 
[quote name='Knoell']I will just assume you don't have a response.[/QUOTE]
berzirk pretty much nailed this one...LOLZ.

And btw, I never rescinded anything, I stand behind the US and it's armed forces being responsible for all of those deaths. What I said didn't come close to slandering, it's the truth. They're worthy of being jerked off when they're building bridges and schools, not blowing up wedding parties.
 
[quote name='berzirk']That's exactly it. You busted me. Arguing with you is like arguing with my four year old. I can beat him with logic, but logic doesn't register, so even if he hasn't made any sense, he still thinks he won. If I disagree that Mickey Mouse is the greatest cartoon character and present logical reasons why, if he thinks he's beat, he'll tell me applesauce is better than cheese. This is what you do. You ramble about something, don't make sense, don't respond with logic or reasoning, then go on to talk about something you know even less about. It makes me laugh.

You're an idiot on many international issues so there's no point in really going back and forth. It's fun for me a couple of times cause I can be certain I'm arguing with someone I'm smarter than, but then it gets annoying and unrewarding. There are plenty of people on CAG that are MUCH smarter than me, but brotha, you ain't one of them. So that's my full response, and I feel kinda mean for making it so blunt.[/QUOTE]

The feeling mean part goes away eventually.
 
[quote name='Msut77']The feeling mean part goes away eventually.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. My advice is to remember that idiots like Knoell elect idiots like Michelle Bachmann. They are not naive four year-olds, they are the useful idiots who are more then eager to be used by the well-heeled backers of the Republican party.

When a four-year old tries to argue it's cute. When a tea-bagger struggles to form just one coherent sentence about exactly why they are so angry, it sends a bone-chilling feeling of doom down your spine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y
 
First off the "im too smart for you" argument doesn't cut it guys. It is entertaining, but it does not cut it.

Secondly, you were just complaining about giving so much aid to israel, why is the welfare budget off the table? Again I will just assume you have no response since most of the time at least one of you have a coherant argument when you aren't attacking people with an opposing opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6b1VOAATNk Camoor Take a trip down memory lane.
 
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[quote name='Knoell']First off the "im too smart for you" argument doesn't cut it guys. It is entertaining, but it does not cut it.

Secondly, you were just complaining about giving so much aid to israel, why is the welfare budget off the table? Again I will just assume you have no response since most of the time at least one of you have a coherant argument when you aren't attacking people with an opposing opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6b1VOAATNk Camoor Take a trip down memory lane.[/QUOTE]

You try to trump >800K Glenn Beck devotees with a handful of Godwin's law violators and a few folks who exaggerate a little on the dodgy manner in which Bush acquired the presidency (let's just say it wasn't the kind of decisive win that puts all reasonable doubt to rest)

In other words, gotta know when to hold them, know when to fold them.
 
[quote name='camoor']You try to trump >800K Glenn Beck devotees with a handful of Godwin's law violators and a few folks who exaggerate a little on the dodgy manner in which Bush acquired the presidency (let's just say it wasn't the kind of decisive win that puts all reasonable doubt to rest)

In other words, gotta know when to hold them, know when to fold them.[/QUOTE]

I did not know >800,000 glen beck devotees spoke in your video. It seems the people in the glen back protest are automatically connected to the radical right, while the nutjobs on the left are discernible from the normal protesters. Although being against abortion equals being a nutjob in your book, so I should have known reason has already went out the window.

Crazy people make good headlines, but the majority of the people in this country are moderates. It is proven time and time again when they vote democrat one minute, and republican in another. They don't want too much of either.
 
[quote name='Knoell']I did not know >800,000 glen beck devotees spoke in your video. It seems the people in the glen back protest are automatically connected to the radical right, while the nutjobs on the left are discernible from the normal protesters. Although being against abortion equals being a nutjob in your book, so I should have known reason has already went out the window.

Crazy people make good headlines, but the majority of the people in this country are moderates. It is proven time and time again when they vote democrat one minute, and republican in another. They don't want too much of either.[/QUOTE]

Do you think Glenn Beck is a moderate?
 
[quote name='camoor']Do you think Glenn Beck is a moderate?[/QUOTE]

Do you think everyone who watches glen beck is a right wing radical?
 
but the majority of the people in this country are moderates. It is proven time and time again when they vote democrat one minute, and republican in another. They don't want too much of either.
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Got any facts to back it up?
 
[quote name='Knoell']Do you think everyone who watches glen beck is a right wing radical?[/QUOTE]

"everyone who watches" ≠ "those who would be so motivated as to attend an event of Glenn Beck's.

Not every Star Wars fan owns a fitted Stormtrooper costume, but I still weep for those that do.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Do you think everyone who watches glen beck is a right wing radical?[/QUOTE]
Everyone who watches? Nah. Everyone who buys into what he says? Pretty much, they'd have to be to actually beleive that crap.
 
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Countdown to false equivalency with someone on the left whom Knoell thinks is similar to Glenn Beck (my money's on Keith Olbermann, as there's little room for creativity on Knoell's end) in 3...2...
 
No, it'll probably be someone who the right wing is obsessed with but who has never been mentioned here. Rosie O'Donnell is my guess.
 
I lived and worked in downtown Portland for a couple years. I used to dress like a heroin addict so I wouldn't catch shit as I crossed the bridge each night. Anyway, one night I bought some "illegal narcotics" (multiple kinds) and was walking home. It was after midnight. As I turned onto Burnside, an obviously lost late 20s or so black man was about a half block in front of me, walking in the same direction. He was in a suit and was shitting his pants because he thought I was going to mug him. He kept looking back and sped up his walk.

When the guy is about 2 blocks in front of me, this white cop rolls up slowly next to me in a cruiser and he stares at me. I'm thinkin holy shit, I'm about to do some serious jail time. He passes me up and catches up to the black guy and jumps out of the car. When I pass, the cop is straight up grillin the guy. I remember the guy saying he didn't know where his hotel was and the cop was calling him a liar and asking where he kept his drugs.

You saved my ass that night, black dude.

That's my Portland race story.
 
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