Georgia vs. Russia

Boy howdy, you people don't read much Pat Buchanan.

Great Britain went to Belgium's aid in WWII and cost itself a worldwide empire.

If Georgia asks for help and has donated enough money, we'll be more than happy to be killed in another hemisphere. Besides, war is the only effective way to clear out ghettos and trailer parks.
 
I don't really know enough about the sitution, and I've been reading about it all day. I'm still trying to understand it all so excuse my ignorance. If anyone wants to try to simplify this complex sitution, be my guest.

All I can say is they picked a damn fine day to fight a war, with the Olympics going on, a lot of people are not even aware of what is happening.
 
Georgia broke away from Russia. A certain part of Georgia wants to break away from it. Georgia says "fuck that noise, we're gonna occupy you scrubs." Russia says "oh no you di'int, I got my home boy's back." Conflict ensues.
 
Curious how Russia knew Edwards was going to announce he lied about the affair today. They timed this shit perfectly, they knew MSM would choose adultery over a real substantial story any day.
 
[quote name='homeland']Curious how Russia knew Edwards was going to announce he lied about the affair today. They timed this shit perfectly, they knew MSM would choose adultery over a real substantial story any day.[/quote]

Also: The Olympics. Ya know, for keeping it on the d-low internationally.
 
Good riddance. Lets give them Virginia while they're at it too.

[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Besides, war is the only effective way to clear out ghettos and trailer parks.[/quote]

This is all it boils down to in the end. But for some reason I picture Georgia as the lesser of the ass end of the conflict (It's a mighty fine looking country. I'd retire there).
 
-Will this effect oil prices sometime soon?
-How long til the international community responds with ad to Georgia?
-How long til some fuck head in either country decides to use weapons of mass destruction?
 
Thanks, homeland. I like how they think this really matters in the elections, but overall it's nice to hear what they're saying.
 
[quote name='Littlefields']The United States needs to stay out of this. God knows Russia's going to be pissed if the US gets anymore involved.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. And lord knows we need to try very hard not to upset the big angry bear. Scary.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Yeah. And lord knows we need to try very hard not to upset the big angry bear. Scary.[/quote]

Let him think Russia's a military powerhouse. It'll be funny when he realizes this is the 21st century. :X
 
[quote name='DarkSageRK']Let him think Russia's a military powerhouse. It'll be funny when he realizes this is the 21st century. :X[/quote]
Yeah, because that's all we need right now. More conflict with other countries. :roll:
 
[quote name='Littlefields']Yeah, because that's all we need right now. More conflict with other countries. :roll:[/quote]

Yeah, because we'd totally go and occupy Russia. :roll:
 
[quote name='DarkSageRK']Yeah, because we'd totally go and occupy Russia. :roll:[/quote]
Can you read? When did I ever say America is occupying Russia? My main point: Getting other countries angry isn't exactly good especially when tensions are escalating.
 
Analysts have always known that it would only be a matter of time before they try to expand and this "war" is just the excuse they need to push west. When they get too close to Europe's borders, it's going to be a big mess because the US isn't going to sit around and do nothing.
 
It's not as simple as "lol, let's just hide over here and wait for this to blow over."

What we do here will affect our relations with both countries. Don't do anything and Georgia's gonna feel quite betrayed. Other Eastern European countries will look at that and say, "look at how nice America treats its allies." This wouldn't be so serious if we didn't keep pointing to Georgia and calling it the most special child in the classroom. If the favored son is forsaken, the other children won't be too happy about their chances of getting support.

And if we send military support to Georgia, our ties with Russia and other countries are going to be strained. They'll take any chance to slam America as being terribad aggressors. And apparently we need Russia's help in supporting our measures in the UN.

It's frustrating that the only real position we can take right now is complain about the situation to Russia. Our foreign policy cred can't be helped in any way through this.

If our government weren't such fucktards in occupying Iraq, maybe we'd be able to have our cake and eat it too in this instance. And if Georgia would've been let into NATO, we wouldn't have this problem either. Tch. Well, hindsight is 20/20.
 
Anybody like stats? It's interesting to see just what each side is up against.

ARMED FORCES COMPARED


GEORGIA
Total personnel: 26,900
Main battle tanks (T-72): 82
Armoured personnel carriers: 139
Combat aircraft (Su-25): Seven
Heavy artillery pieces (including Grad rocket launchers): 95



RUSSIA
Total personnel: 641,000
Main battle tanks (various): 6,717
Armoured personnel carriers: 6,388
Combat aircraft (various): 1,206
Heavy artillery pieces (various): 7,550


Source: Jane's Sentinel Country Risk Assessments

Courtesy of: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7552012.stm
 
[quote name='DarkSageRK']Anybody like stats? It's interesting to see just what each side is up against.

ARMED FORCES COMPARED


GEORGIA
Total personnel: 26,900
Main battle tanks (T-72): 82
Armoured personnel carriers: 139
Combat aircraft (Su-25): Seven
Heavy artillery pieces (including Grad rocket launchers): 95



RUSSIA
Total personnel: 641,000
Main battle tanks (various): 6,717
Armoured personnel carriers: 6,388
Combat aircraft (various): 1,206
Heavy artillery pieces (various): 7,550


Source: Jane's Sentinel Country Risk Assessments

Courtesy of: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7552012.stm[/quote]

I believe Russia has the record for having the biggest tank division in the world. fuck if someone supplies Georgia with a low yield nuke to stop advancing Russian forces, the situation could turn ugly real quick.
 
[quote name='Moxio']Hey, where's my China vs Taiwan fight?! :whee:[/quote]

Didn't you hear? They kissed and made up a few weeks back.

They figured they'd go farther if they continued to saturate the US market with cheaper goods and buy US bonds in return.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']I believe Russia has the record for having the biggest tank division in the world. fuck if someone supplies Georgia with a low yield nuke to stop advancing Russian forces, the situation could turn ugly real quick.[/quote]

Supplies them? Who says they don't have a few suitcase nukes laying around? Only 600 of them disappeared after the breakup.

Sleep tight, everybody. Fallout would take days to reach here.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Supplies them? Who says they don't have a few suitcase nukes laying around? Only 600 of them disappeared after the breakup.

Sleep tight, everybody. Fallout would take days to reach here.[/quote]

Ya sure?

low yield detonations wouldn't cause massive fallout that would travel around the world.... Russia would be extremely pissed if their troops were nuked and respond with bigger nukes. The fallout from that response would hurt Europe and piss off the US.
 
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I think F-16, M60, and Apache sales will trend upward once this blows over. I don't think Russia will be eager to sell them more T-72's or Su-25's.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']fuck if someone supplies Georgia with a low yield nuke to stop advancing Russian forces, the situation could turn ugly real quick.[/QUOTE]

That's quite the imagination you've got there. :rofl:
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']That's quite the imagination you've got there. :rofl:[/quote]

[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']More like he's played too much Command & Conquer[/quote]

Right on both counts.

The latest reports indicate that Georgia is on the verge of surrendering. So much for declaring war on Russia. They didn't have a chance in the first place.
 
[quote name='DarkSageRK']If only Georgia had Finland train them, Russia would be in a world of pain right now. ;_;
[/QUOTE]

Are you referring to the winter war?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Are you referring to the winter war?[/quote]

Yep. 5 Russians died for every Finn that died. Craziness.
 
I love how all the people that are so loud in trumpeting their cause for the people in Darfur or other 3rd world countries (I'm looking at you, Clooney & Bono) don't give a fuck for a situation like this. Or what about all the comparisons of "unnecessary war?" Where are the comparisons between the "evil" U.S. and Russians? What about the innocent civilians? Where's the condeming of Putin's actions?

Amazing how stuff doesn't show up when it doesn't make good P.R.

Democratic Russia died the day Putin took the reigns. We may talk about scary world leaders like Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong Il, but as far as I'm concerned, it's Putin. He's very smart and knows exactly how to play his cards to win. We must be extremely careful in dealing with him and his associates. Maybe it's something to do with that hard as nails, yet cool as ice look he has. Or maybe it's that those old KGB ideals that really die hard. Regardless, we have to be very vigilante and wary in the coming years.
 
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Let's get that WWIII under way:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amb-marc-ginsberg/georgia-on-my-mind_b_118069.html

Specifically ...

1. A UN Security Council resolution that condemns Russia irrespective of an expected Russian veto.
2. A NATO-led airlift of military and medical supplies to Georgia's military.
3. Mobilization of a UN peacekeeping force to substitute Russian so-called peacekeepers on the Georgia-Russian border, here again, notwithstanding a threatened Russian veto.
4. Consistent and vocal diplomatic support for Georgia's president, including condemnation of any call by Russia's leadership demanding Saakashvili's removal.

I'm sure Putin won't balk at any of this because our relations with Russia are so keen.
 
[quote name='Illini Jeeper']I love how all the people that are so loud in trumpeting their cause for the people in Darfur or other 3rd world countries (I'm looking at you, Clooney & Bono) don't give a fuck for a situation like this. Or what about all the comparisons of "unnecessary war?" Where are the comparisons between the "evil" U.S. and Russians? What about the innocent civilians? Where's the condeming of Putin's actions?

Amazing how stuff doesn't show up when it doesn't make good P.R.[/quote]

It's simple, as Kayne West would say - Bono does not care about South Caucasian people!

Darfur is such a celebrity issue. After all it is extremely easy for middle-class citizens living comfortably in an industrialized society to instantly understand the plight of destitute people in war-torn countries whose names they can't spell properly and whose location is a complete mystery. How can a celebrity cause like Darfur compare to Sarah McLaughin doing an ASPCA ad, singing dopey songs about angels while holding up a puppy and begging for your money to save it's life.

To hell with those evil celebs like Bono who are obviously only in it for that sweet Darfur PR.
 
If Russia continues to escalate the situation, I see no alternative to military intervention. Georgia is too vital to US interests to allow to fall into Russian hands.

I think they are waiting for us to make a move before they back down.
 
[quote name='Illini Jeeper']I love how all the people that are so loud in trumpeting their cause for the people in Darfur or other 3rd world countries (I'm looking at you, Clooney & Bono) don't give a fuck for a situation like this. Or what about all the comparisons of "unnecessary war?" Where are the comparisons between the "evil" U.S. and Russians? What about the innocent civilians? Where's the condeming of Putin's actions?

Amazing how stuff doesn't show up when it doesn't make good P.R.

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What are we suppose to do? Start a campaign to boycott Russian oil?
 
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