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I would say that of the people I work with who have gone 'this gen', 20 have 360's and 3 have PS3's. I thought that might start to change with the ps3 price drop. But today after work, two of my buddies said they were going to Wal-Mart to buy either a Wii or a 360. They were undecided if they wanted a hard-core system or a fun cheap system. The PS3 wasn't even on the table. I mentioned some of the benefits of PS3, like free online, quieter, reliable, blu-ray, wireless. But the bottom line was that $549 is a long ways from $399 (Canadian prices).

I supposed this same thought process happens all the time. I really think Sony has to hit $399 now... yesterday if possible.

Just my $0.02.

~S
 
I'd love to just settle for a 360, but with Ratchet & Clank, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry, Persona and more sticking with the PS3, it's hard to think about Microsoft for me.

I'm going to play the waiting game this generation, since my backlog is huge I can pick up the Greatest Hits version of all these new PS3 games in a couple of years. The box art is so ugly as it is(see-the PS3 logo), the GH labeling on PS3 won't phase me.

The 360 is America's system... Joe gamer loves it no matter how many times he has to replace it or send it in to be repaired. Don't worry if you bought the PS3 to play the aforementioned series.
 
[quote name='snowsquirrel']I would say that of the people I work with who have gone 'this gen', 20 have 360's and 3 have PS3's. I thought that might start to change with the ps3 price drop. But today after work, two of my buddies said they were going to Wal-Mart to buy either a Wii or a 360. They were undecided if they wanted a hard-core system or a fun cheap system. The PS3 wasn't even on the table. I mentioned some of the benefits of PS3, like free online, quieter, reliable, blu-ray, wireless. But the bottom line was that $549 is a long ways from $399 (Canadian prices).

I supposed this same thought process happens all the time. I really think Sony has to hit $399 now... yesterday if possible.

Just my $0.02.

~S[/QUOTE]



if the PS3 was 399 do you think this situation would have been any different.

I hate to always mention past events, but this reminds me so much of the PS1.. it went under people's radar for a while, and then it just got big. But PS1 had a lot of commercials... good funny commercials. That's what PS3 needs, good reoccurring commecials.. geico...
 
Yeah, but a 3 year warranty for hardware failures? That's unheard of. Hell, even Sony only offered repairs for free on their Disc Read Error prone PS2 for a LIMITED amount of time last gen and then you were SOL and either had to pay $45 to swap out your system for a refurb(some of which ended up with the SAME problem again or another one) or $75 for Sony to repair the system.

At least MS stepped up to the plate and said 'yeah, our stuff doesn't work right for everyone, but we wanna make amends'. So, I don't know about you, but I'd rather pay less for a system with a longer warranty and a company that will even pay for shipping it to them at THEIR expense rather than Sony's expensive machine.

And since when is the GAME CONSOLE wars about cramming as much useless shit into a system as the company possibly can?

[quote name='Thomas96']if the PS3 was 399 do you think this situation would have been any different.[/quote]

If it was $299 and provided me with full BC and gave me a choice if I wanted my games on Blu-Ray or just plain old dvd, it might be. But, the average consumer doesn't give a shit about high def gaming or at least they currently don't. People want the most value for the cheapest price available.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']

At least MS stepped up to the plate and said 'yeah, our stuff doesn't work right for everyone, but we wanna make amends'. [/QUOTE]

My only problems with that are:
1. It took them a year to admit it.
2. They knew it was in issue and, rather than fix it, released the system to unsuspecting consumers.

I don't think it's fair to call the war just yet. Sony won't go down without a fight.
 
ok now i am gonan give my 2 cents and i will try to be equal

360 owners say the ps3 is too expensive. which is kinda true but yet false as well

the ps3 supports blu ray out of the box

360 you need to buy the hd player which is 179.99 if you chose to go the new technology in dvd format which as you can see i have chosen which way i am favoring :)

so the 60 gig is 499.99 comes with blu ray player out of box as we all know

360 non elite is 349.99 this is without hd dvd player

360 with hd dvd player = 529.98

to me it seems like the same deal for people who say the ps3 is over priced.

that is of course my 2 cents if you wanna go with the new dvd formats

ps3 plays all ps1 and ps2 games and all imports out of box since i just recently learned it is region free

360 play some original xbox games but not all games yet.

the 360 library is bigger

so they way i see things

library-360

backward compatable and import- ps3

price - even bascally

so it looks like an even match to me.

but this is my 2 cents and feel free to debate me on any of these true facts but i will take on any decent debate
 
[quote name='Vinny']My only problems with that are:
1. It took them a year to admit it.
2. They knew it was in issue and, rather than fix it, released the system to unsuspecting consumers.

I don't think it's fair to call the war just yet. Sony won't go down without a fight.[/quote]

True, but it's better than what Sony did for all the people who suffered through innumerable DREs last gen. And, even though they offered to fix the systems for free for a while, consumers still had to PAY to ship the systems to them. MS is at least taking care of the shipping for their customers.

And believe me, I've heard of many horror stories from the PS1 and PS2 eras with Sony's systems that make a one year lapse by MS seem like nothing. The PS1s were known to have bad lasers, as were the PS2s, so I hate to say it, but I'm waiting for the inevitable failures with the PS3's new version Blu-Ray drives.
 
[quote name='whitedeath']ok now i am gonan give my 2 cents and i will try to be equal

360 owners say the ps3 is too expensive. which is kinda true but yet false as well

the ps3 supports blu ray out of the box

360 you need to buy the hd player which is 179.99 if you chose to go the new technology in dvd format which as you can see i have chosen which way i am favoring :)

so the 60 gig is 499.99 comes with blu ray player out of box as we all know

360 non elite is 349.99 this is without hd dvd player

360 with hd dvd player = 529.98

to me it seems like the same deal for people who say the ps3 is over priced.

that is of course my 2 cents if you wanna go with the new dvd formats

ps3 plays all ps1 and ps2 games and all imports out of box since i just recently learned it is region free

360 play some original xbox games but not all games yet.

the 360 library is bigger

so they way i see things

library-360

backward compatable and import- ps3

price - even bascally

so it looks like an even match to me.

but this is my 2 cents and feel free to debate me on any of these true facts but i will take on any decent debate[/QUOTE]
The blu-ray part is only as valuable as you make it. If you don't watch a lot of hi def movies or don't have a need for it, it really is of no value to you. Same with the built in wireless. I definitely think that this "console war" would have been much different if the ps3 had started out at 400 instead of 600. In most people's minds, 600 for what is predominantly thought of as a game system is too much.
 
But, the average consumer doesn't give a shit about high def gaming or at least they currently don't. People want the most value for the cheapest price available.

speak for your self i would rather have a crisp looking game. i don't care about costs if you want the newest tech. on the market you gotta pay for it.

regualr dvd to me is like buying a vhs tape at the flea market anymore once blu ray takes over you will see this. this is 2k7 soon to be 2k8 and people want hd to make there home theather rig look the sexiest at any cost

does having a 5k hs set up mnake you a better gamer nope. do it make you look better? in some peoples eyes it does. do you wanna play a game in 1080 i or 1080p? you bet your sweet ass you do.

like i stated before just my 2 cents
 
[quote name='whitedeath']ok now i am gonan give my 2 cents and i will try to be equal

360 owners say the ps3 is too expensive. which is kinda true but yet false as well

the ps3 supports blu ray out of the box

360 you need to buy the hd player which is 179.99 if you chose to go the new technology in dvd format which as you can see i have chosen which way i am favoring :)

so the 60 gig is 499.99 comes with blu ray player out of box as we all know

360 non elite is 349.99 this is without hd dvd player

360 with hd dvd player = 529.98

to me it seems like the same deal for people who say the ps3 is over priced.

that is of course my 2 cents if you wanna go with the new dvd formats

ps3 plays all ps1 and ps2 games and all imports out of box since i just recently learned it is region free

360 play some original xbox games but not all games yet.

the 360 library is bigger

so they way i see things

library-360

backward compatable and import- ps3

price - even bascally

so it looks like an even match to me.

but this is my 2 cents and feel free to debate me on any of these true facts but i will take on any decent debate[/quote]

not everyone cares about hd-dvd or blu-ray yet though. dvds are still by far the #1 disc. im 25 and most of my friends and people i come in contact with have absolutly no idea what hd-dvd and blu-ray are.
 
Well the thing with me is I'm a video gamer. I don't need a system that wipes asses just one that plays video games. PS3s selling point is blu-ray MOVIES and they charge according and say it's well worth it because it's cheap for a blu-ray player and it plays games. But the problem is for me and many others that don't care that much about blu-ray is it's expensive for a video game machine. Sony is trying to shove blu-ray down our throats and don't care about the video game industry. Technically they did the same thing with PS2 and DVDs but it worked because it was sold at a decent price (started at $299 and kept dropping rapidly) I think if Sony gave a crap about us people that just want to play video games they'd release a non-bluray dvd player PS3 for $299 or $249. But there's no chance in hell they will do that. Don't get me wrong I watch movies just like everyone else but I'm happy with regular dvds and am still impressed with just a flat screen tv (I'm always behind in technology, I don't care) And it's even easier to avoid getting a PS3 when 360 keeps getting most of PS3s good games and now they're getting exclusives OVER PS3. I don't think Sony could of handled PS3 worse than they have, but like I said they could care less they want to win the high def DVD market they don't care about video games.
 
doc i agree 600 is too much but if you see the current costs of blu ray players it is out of site. *i was at best buy tonight and seen one for a nice price of 799* that make the ps3 look good if you are lookign for a hd player with a nice tv.

the region free thing for ps3 i think gives it an edge as most people who are rpg happy *sorry i dislike rpgs but to each his own* make them happy as not all rpgs come to america.

i would not say a console war.

i said if for the last gen and i will say it for this gen of systems you have to own all 3 to get the full effect of all good games coming out.
 
[quote name='whitedeath']But, the average consumer doesn't give a shit about high def gaming or at least they currently don't. People want the most value for the cheapest price available.

speak for your self i would rather have a crisp looking game. i don't care about costs if you want the newest tech. on the market you gotta pay for it.

regualr dvd to me is like buying a vhs tape at the flea market anymore once blu ray takes over you will see this. this is 2k7 soon to be 2k8 and people want hd to make there home theather rig look the sexiest at any cost

does having a 5k hs set up mnake you a better gamer nope. do it make you look better? in some peoples eyes it does. do you wanna play a game in 1080 i or 1080p? you bet your sweet ass you do.

like i stated before just my 2 cents[/quote]


if i had to guess percentages id say 60-70% of people under 25 years old play video games on a semi-normal basis.

id say maybe 2-4% of households have a hd-dvd or a blue-ray player.


these numbers arnt facts but well thought out guestimates. haha. but honestly though a lot more people play video games then care/can afford/or are informed about hd-dvd/bluray.
 
[quote name='nativetongue88']not everyone cares about hd-dvd or blu-ray yet though. dvds are still by far the #1 disc. im 25 and most of my friends and people i come in contact with have absolutly no idea what hd-dvd and blu-ray are.[/QUOTE]

I own a PS3 and have no blu-ray DVDS. I even have an HDTV and still buy all of my movies on plain jane DVD...I really see no point in buying an "HD" version when the upconvert from the PS3 does such a great job and I can get the DVD version for $10-$20 cheaper.

I still want to get the re-release of the blu-ray Fifth Element and my woman is always bugging me for Planet Earth...but other than those I havent really jumped on the bandwagon.
 
native very true. i do agree selling a blu ray player to someone who is not up on current tech is a nightmare

vidgames - i can see your point about the blu ray thing but they physically can't make a ps3 without blu ray as some of the games come on blu ray discs.

to be honest i am not a ps3 fan boy....... ok. i sorta am leaning that way but what pisses me off to no end is how 360 gets the games and the ps3 of that game comes out a month or 2 later check stranglehold and you will see where i am going.
 
Marketing... PS3 needs to be marketed better, and hopefully at 399 it'll do better. But even at 399, the only people who are going to jump on it, are those who were already willing to buy PS3, but didn't want to or couldn't spend 499/599. You have to go out and get customers...
 
[quote name='whitedeath']native very true. i do agree selling a blu ray player to someone who is not up on current tech is a nightmare

vidgames - i can see your point about the blu ray thing but they physically can't make a ps3 without blu ray as some of the games come on blu ray discs.

to be honest i am not a ps3 fan boy....... ok. i sorta am leaning that way but what pisses me off to no end is how 360 gets the games and the ps3 of that game comes out a month or 2 later check stranglehold and you will see where i am going.[/QUOTE]

Just give the system a while to catch on with the devs and to pick up some steam in Japan. It will all catch on eventually....even the PS2 had a slow start.
 
as the price goes down and the library builds sales will come. sony is sony and you know they arnt going to give up on it. i currently own a 360 and a wii. i will end up getting a ps3 and some point id think. the problem for me isnt so much price, its just that there really isnt anything to play.

the system has been out a year and all that interests me is resistance and motorstorm. nothing i can think of other than those have even received positive reviews.
 
blackjaw i agree that regualr dvds do work. but like i said dvd is like vhs now it is getting old as when u go to buy a new tv 90% is hd so you see where the market is going with this and i think it was amazon or best buy that had a tv for i'd liek to say 1799 or something and it came with a 360 and i think halo 3 or some some discount on the package. this is what the market is stuff in our face. i know it sucks. but buying a tv is just like buying a car anymore in 2-3 years there will be some that trumps the old version or model.

i own 5 blu ray dvds. i paid full price for one.

my wife who works at blockbuster said alot of people are starting to rent the blu rays. you can notice the sizable difference in each sd and bd.
 
if the PS3 was 399 do you think this situation would have been any different.
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In the cases I am citing yes. If the PS3 and 360 had been the same price it may have been a split atleast.

Another quote from one of the guys was: the ps3 has no games. So I said what games are you picking up? The response was, mmm I don't know, madden.

The no games argument at this point is moot. The vast majority are multi-platform. Yeah the 360 has a system seller, and the ps3 does not, but that will likely all work out even.

I am not saying Sony is any better to consumers than MS. If MS had already won the cosole war by a longshot, I really doubt they would have fessed up to the RRoD. I just think that if one company has a monopoly, it is bad for everyone. If Sony doesn't do well, they could easily go tits up, as their gaming division was the only division making a lot of money lately. They need gaming. MS does not. They will keep on chugging regardless of how 360 turns out.

Many of the people with disposable incomes to drop on gaming systems do care about HD. I think the nobody cares about HD argument is over played. Having said that, it will only be another year before BD, and HD players will be cheap enough to negate this argument.

This thread was not posted to debate which console is better. But to debate what the landscape will look like if MS wipes the floor with Sony.

~S
 
snow you made this thread and if you see my first post i broke down all the important issues and rants/raves from each system. just since oif hearing the ps3 is too much or it has no games. i think both will do good and i am not toting ps3 anymore then 360 i am keeping it even keel even though i own a -s3 and use to own a 360. i am being fair not causing no major arguements just sounding off this is a great thread we should keep it rolling
 
[QUOTE
This thread was not posted to debate which console is better. But to debate what the landscape will look like if MS wipes the floor with Sony.

~S[/QUOTE]
I'm a huge 360 fan, but I still like competition. If it wasn't for competition, we wouldn't be having the quality choices in systems that we have today. Sony isn't going away anytime soon, that's for sure.
 
[quote name='snowsquirrel']In the cases I am citing yes. If the PS3 and 360 had been the same price it may have been a split atleast.

Another quote from one of the guys was: the ps3 has no games. So I said what games are you picking up? The response was, mmm I don't know, madden.

The no games argument at this point is moot. The vast majority are multi-platform. Yeah the 360 has a system seller, and the ps3 does not, but that will likely all work out even.

I am not saying Sony is any better to consumers than MS. If MS had already won the cosole war by a longshot, I really doubt they would have fessed up to the RRoD. I just think that if one company has a monopoly, it is bad for everyone. If Sony doesn't do well, they could easily go tits up, as their gaming division was the only division making a lot of money lately. They need gaming. MS does not. They will keep on chugging regardless of how 360 turns out.

Many of the people with disposable incomes to drop on gaming systems do care about HD. I think the nobody cares about HD argument is over played. Having said that, it will only be another year before BD, and HD players will be cheap enough to negate this argument.

This thread was not posted to debate which console is better. But to debate what the landscape will look like if MS wipes the floor with Sony.

~S[/QUOTE]

Kind of on that same note...a majority of my friends have bought a PS3 for Madden. They dont know about HD, and one of them yesterday didnt even know it had WIFI (kept trying to find the LAN port)....they only bought it because they had a PS2 and thats what they know (casual gamers).

Most of my friends do have disposable income though (single, decent job, etc), so the price tag doesnt really affect them as much as another casual PS2 owner. Once the casual PS2 owner gets enough $$$ I'm sure they will "upgrade" for whatever new game comes out...MGS, GTA, etc.

Like I said, I feel it will all come together soon and the PS3 and 360 will coexist in an equilibrium. :)
 
doc amen to that this is what makes america great we can debate becuase we are fan boys of one system over another. in the more distant future we will be getting along killing each other in some online game so this all washes in the end
 
not to get off topic here but i stated that you have to own all 3 systems to enjoy all the great games.

the wii - smash brothers brawl,mario galaxy

the ps3 - gt5,mgs4,dmc4

the 360 halo 3, fable 2

will we all be playing these games fore mentioned you bet your ass we will that is what i was getting at so there is really no system who takes precident over the others and the great games are broken down over all 3
 
[quote name='Thomas96']Marketing... PS3 needs to be marketed better, and hopefully at 399 it'll do better. But even at 399, the only people who are going to jump on it, are those who were already willing to buy PS3, but didn't want to or couldn't spend 499/599. You have to go out and get customers...[/QUOTE]I think Sony doesn't market to save money on what they lose on each console made, to an extent.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']I'd love to just settle for a 360, but with Ratchet & Clank, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry, Persona and more sticking with the PS3, it's hard to think about Microsoft for me.

I'm going to play the waiting game this generation, since my backlog is huge I can pick up the Greatest Hits version of all these new PS3 games in a couple of years. The box art is so ugly as it is(see-the PS3 logo), the GH labeling on PS3 won't phase me.

The 360 is America's system... Joe gamer loves it no matter how many times he has to replace it or send it in to be repaired. Don't worry if you bought the PS3 to play the aforementioned series.[/QUOTE]

Devil May Cry is not a PS3 exclusive. It's being released on the 360 as well.

http://search.ign.com/products?query=devil+may+cry+4
 
I'm aware, I felt like including it anyway since I think it is being developed with the PS3 in mind? I'm not sure about that, but DMC is kind of a Playstation series.
 
Third post in this thread sums up exactly how I feel. In the end I think the PS3 inevitably will catch up and pass the 360 and nip on the heels of the Wii. That is when it drops to a price point that mommies and daddies can agree on ($300 or less). I believe all three systems will be successes this gen, unlike last gen where the xbox was bleh, the GC was so-so, and the PS2 was great success.
 
[quote name='Kayden']I love how easily fact is confused with opinion on the internet.[/QUOTE]

who are you talking too?

if it is my post then state what you call opinion then?
 
I'd have to be able to understand your gibber to converse with you. (U typin iz lews)

[quote name='whitedeath']whoa re u refering too? my post if u see opinion then tell me and we can discuss[/quote]
 
[quote name='Jeoff']Third post in this thread sums up exactly how I feel. In the end I think the PS3 inevitably will catch up and pass the 360 and nip on the heels of the Wii. That is when it drops to a price point that mommies and daddies can agree on ($300 or less). I believe all three systems will be successes this gen, unlike last gen where the xbox was bleh, the GC was so-so, and the PS2 was great success.[/quote]

I had all three systems last gen, including unfortunately MULTIPLE PS2s. However, after having tested a theory, I probably could've had my year from launch PS2 and still been playing like crazy on it, since it was my ports on my tv that were screwed up and NOT the PS2. Although, I've also known MANY who have had the dreaded DRE appear when playing MULTIPLE formats of discs. They have had them occur on every type of PS2 disc, from the blue bottom(which causes most DREs) to the gold bottom DVD format, so the DRE is not isolated to just ONE format that causes it.

Quite frankly though, I don't believe Sony will catch up until a couple of years from now, when they can comfortably afford to properly price their PS3 and by then, the Wii and 360 will have their 2/3's of the market sewn up tight.

As for people with 'disposable' incomes, I never consider my income to be 'disposable', as I look to get the best value and the most functions I'll actually USE from those multimedia items I buy. And sadly, unless high speed stays low priced for me after my years contract is up with Verizon, I may dump it and go back to either surfing the net from the library or go back to dialup. To me, paying anything over $15-20 a month for internet is ridiculous, but that's another argument altogether. So, for me, the rush to online play and online ONLY games is futile, as I may never take part in ANY of them.

If something I buy doesn't have real value I can use without expending alot of extra money to get it working(ie having to pay fuckin $30 per movie for BR movies, I like my cheap $5-10 dvds, tyvm), it's worthless to me.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']if the PS3 was 399 do you think this situation would have been any different.
[/QUOTE]

I'm on the fence about getting a 360, PS3 isn't even in the picture at it's price now.

At $399 I'd probably lean toward the PS3 because of the blu ray player.
 
IMO, one of the biggest problems with the PS3 is how lazy American developers are, namely EA. I've played probably half of the PS3 games available right now and there's such a HUGE range of quality in PS3 games.

Ridge Racer 7 (launch title) was apparently made in just a few months before the system's launch, but it looks amazing and plays just as well. Just for shits and giggles I downloaded the NASCAR 08 demo on the PSN and WOW. What a giant piece of shit! It looks no better than a PS2 game and if I was really a hardcore NASCAR fan, I probably would buy a 360 just to play a better version of the game. You can clearly tell that EA developed the game for 360 and just tossed at the interns and gave them a week to port it.

Seriously, if multiplatform developers were to actaully take some time to make proper games for the PS3, it would be a whole different story. But instead we're stuck playing shitty 5-minute ports
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']I think Sony doesn't market to save money on what they lose on each console made, to an extent.[/QUOTE]


yeah, but they do want to sell to the masses... if they don't lose money on PS3 they won't earn money on games and other items.
 
I would like to see 360 sales after halo 3 maybe a month later. I am guessing all the 9 million people who bought halo 2 first day are going to be rushing to get 360s to bridge the gap. So should be a huge spike up in sales but then go down, and then i would like to see how continous the sales are after halo. This is far from over i know a ton of people who want a ps3 but its too expensive for them.
 
[quote name='panasonic']I would like to see 360 sales after halo 3 maybe a month later. I am guessing all the 9 million people who bought halo 2 first day are going to be rushing to get 360s to bridge the gap. So should be a huge spike up in sales but then go down, and then i would like to see how continous the sales are after halo. This is far from over i know a ton of people who want a ps3 but its too expensive for them.[/QUOTE]

About 5.5 million people bought Halo 2. Supposedly MS is shipping 4 million of Halo 3 in the first week. I think they are being optimistic.

I did see multiple people in line last night purchasing the system with Halo 3, so it will be interesting to see the spike in sales.

As for the PS3, Sony might catch up. It will definitely be a struggle, especially with gimped games compared to their 360 counterparts. If Sony managed to outsell the 360 2 to 1 they would still be behind.

by the (random example) numbers:
- if Sony sold 200,000 a month from here on out it would take 2 & 1/2 years to hit the 10 million mark which MS already passed
- if MS only pushed 100,000 each month in that same time frame, they would still have a 3 million lead
- the PS3 would have to start selling like the Wii to stand a chance, and I don't see them quadrupling their monthly sales anytime soon, unless they came out of nowhere and priced the PS3 under $300.
- as sales lag, so will developer support. Fewer exclusives and the norm will be rushed out ports
- the most powerful system in each generation has never "won."

The problem for MS is other markets. I don't think the US can carry them through to the end of this generation in the lead(over Sony). The only way they stand a chance is to erode the stigma that Sony is synonymous with gaming in America. They have to get to those people that have only known the Playstation brand and convince them otherwise.
 
[quote name='Corvin']About 5.5 million people bought Halo 2. Supposedly MS is shipping 4 million of Halo 3 in the first week. I think they are being optimistic.

I did see multiple people in line last night purchasing the system with Halo 3, so it will be interesting to see the spike in sales.

As for the PS3, Sony might catch up. It will definitely be a struggle, especially with gimped games compared to their 360 counterparts. If Sony managed to outsell the 360 2 to 1 they would still be behind.

by the (random example) numbers:
- if Sony sold 200,000 a month from here on out it would take 2 & 1/2 years to hit the 10 million mark which MS already passed
- if MS only pushed 100,000 each month in that same time frame, they would still have a 3 million lead
- the PS3 would have to start selling like the Wii to stand a chance, and I don't see them quadrupling their monthly sales anytime soon, unless they came out of nowhere and priced the PS3 under $300.
- as sales lag, so will developer support. Fewer exclusives and the norm will be rushed out ports
- the most powerful system in each generation has never "won."

The problem for MS is other markets. I don't think the US can carry them through to the end of this generation in the lead(over Sony). The only way they stand a chance is to erode the stigma that Sony is synonymous with gaming in America. They have to get to those people that have only known the Playstation brand and convince them otherwise.[/QUOTE]


200,000 per month... is that world wide or just in america.

The SNES was the most powerful console for sometime.. and it won
 
[quote name='Corvin']
As for the PS3, Sony might catch up. It will definitely be a struggle, especially with gimped games compared to their 360 counterparts. If Sony managed to outsell the 360 2 to 1 they would still be behind.[/QUOTE]Actually, games on PS3 aren't exactly gimped anymore, unless you are talking about EA. Early on, developers were having problems with the PS3 hardware, which led to issues with multi-platform games. Now, games like Stuntman, GRAW2 (very close), etc. look just as good on PS3. A game like DiRT is actually better on PS3. The only problem is that EA still continues to do a bad port (all other publishers seem to be doing fine now, or almost as good).
[quote name='Thomas96']yeah, but they do want to sell to the masses... if they don't lose money on PS3 they won't earn money on games and other items.[/QUOTE]But at the same time, they kind of feel the price may be too much for the masses. Although from what I believe, Sony's biggest issue with PS3 is that they aren't really sure how they should market it yet. I remember them having a successful campaign towards the beginning of the PSP lifecycle (which is why it did well), but then kind of struggled (so PSP lagged). But once they started the "Get Your Own" campaign, it has done a lot better (along with the lower price). Sony can't just market the PS3 as a games machine because that turn people off due to the higher price. If they market it too much for blu-ray, people may assume it's only a blu-ray player.
 
If Madden 08 would have been up to par on PS3, it could have sold some PS3s... Sony needs to get the system cheap, and push strongly for a Holiday sales boost and then in 08 big games need to come out to keep that Holiday boost going.
Killzone....
FFXIII,
MGS4,
Gran Turismo 5,
Motorstorm,
Tekken 6,
White Knight Story,
God of War 3,

If sony can get these games out during 2008 they'll sell systems just fine. Point is, Everyone who wants HALO is going to get HALO 3 and 360 from now until the end of the year. So now its Sony's turn to get its big guns out on the market..

Wii is releasing most of its big guns this year as well.. and most people wanted one probably got one by now, or will have one by the end of the year.

So point is... ,2008 should be Sony's year, because its the year that their second generation of games will be released, people will see some games that set it further apart from the 360, and by 2008 the system will be cheaper than the astronomical 600 dollar price tag. and on a side note... hopefully HDTVs sell well this holiday season - which most likely they will.
Sony needs some more HDTV / PS3 packin deals...
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']How much did it cost?[/QUOTE]


I don't remember... was it 299 ... came with two controllers and Super Mario World... but remember back then things were generally cheaper...

how much was minimum wage the year snes came out?



edit - I'm asking you that, because I'm certain there's a higher ratio between the cost of PS3, and present minimal wage, than the ratio between minimum wage and cost of SNES [at launch].

edit - main point is that any system can win regardless of power if the price is right and the games are good. 2008, ps3 cheaper, and PS3 system selling games released. If the ps3 is still in this position this time next year, then I might be worried.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']I don't remember... was it 299 ... came with two controllers and Super Mario World... but remember back then things were generally cheaper...

how much was minimum wage the year snes came out?[/QUOTE]It was $199.99 at launch. The Genesis with Sonic was cheaper though.
[quote name='Thomas96']If Madden 08 would have been up to par on PS3, it could have sold some PS3s... Sony needs to get the system cheap, and push strongly for a Holiday sales boost and then in 08 big games need to come out to keep that Holiday boost going.
Killzone....
FFXIII,
MGS4,
Gran Turismo 5,
Motorstorm,
Tekken 6,
White Knight Story,
God of War 3,

If sony can get these games out during 2008 they'll sell systems just fine. Point is, Everyone who wants HALO is going to get HALO 3 and 360 from now until the end of the year. So now its Sony's turn to get its big guns out on the market..

Wii is releasing most of its big guns this year as well.. and most people wanted one probably got one by now, or will have one by the end of the year.

So point is... ,2008 should be Sony's year, because its the year that their second generation of games will be released, people will see some games that set it further apart from the 360, and by 2008 the system will be cheaper than the astronomical 600 dollar price tag. and on a side note... hopefully HDTVs sell well this holiday season - which most likely they will.
Sony needs some more HDTV / PS3 packin deals...[/QUOTE]What I said at PSU once was:

Okay, there's NO way Sony would want to release a game near Halo 3 (or anyone), because it could be the best thing in the world, but the Halo 3 hype will overtake it. Around November/December, people will be hyped for Super Mario Galaxy and SSB Brawl. There really isn't a game Sony can release that will make people forget Mario even exists. Once Halo 3 and two of Nintendo's biggest Wii guns are out of the way (they still have Wii Fit for next year), the next truly big thing to appear on another platform is GTA4 (DMC4 is big, but not as big as a Halo or Mario). Since GTA4 will launch simultaneously on PS3 (and most people associate GTA will PlayStation), and there's MGS4, LittleBigPlanet, GT5 Prologue (if we have to wait), Home, Dual Shock 3, and many other Sony first party games, the first half of 2008 should be huge. And if Sony can find a way to decrease the 80GB model to $400, and sell a 40GB model (if it comes) to $320 (I doubt it would get $100 cheaper), Sony could push serious PS3 sales (if they put together a marketing campaign).

As for next year, I don't see any 360 game (that MS publishes being any thread to Sony (unless Bungie can make Halo 4 quickly. Gears is popular, but no where near Halo level)) pushing 360 even more. On Wii, I do see Wii Fit and Mario Kart Wii being big, but that's it (unless a new Mario or Zelda is coming quickly). Personally, I think PS3 in 2008 will be exactly like PS1 in 1997 (the year PS1 finally exploded, with games like FFVII, Castlevania: SotN, PaRappa The Rapper, Ace Combat 2, etc.).
 
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