God Damn Shenmue sucks

[quote name='NateWhs152']Who the hell actually likes this lame ass game. IGN gave it a 9.5. WTF this game sucks my ass hole.[/QUOTE]
Your loss. Move along.
 
[quote name='the_gloaming']I don't know about Shenmue, but Shenmue II was a little slow for me until you got out of the first city ... Wanzai? Was that it? Anyway, once I got to the second area (with the gang or whatever) I started enjoying it a lot more.[/QUOTE]

Actually, Kowloon is the first place you go to after Hong Kong.

And Shenmue is in the top five of greatest franchises of all time.
 
[quote name='Diiz']
Shenmue > you. Case closed.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='PenguinMaster']I agree, and I don't even like Shenmue.[/QUOTE]

:lol: :applause:
 
Bought it on sale at Target.
Played it two hours.
Thought, "This is a game?!"
Sold it.
Not the worst game ever made, I guess it obviously has some appeal to a lot of folks, but put me solidly in the 'did not like Shenmue at all' camp.
 
[quote name='dtcarson']Bought it on sale at Target.
Played it two hours.
Thought, "This is a game?!"
Sold it.
Not the worst game ever made, I guess it obviously has some appeal to a lot of folks, but put me solidly in the 'did not like Shenmue at all' camp.[/QUOTE]

Same here, except I borrowed it from a friend instead of buying it.
 
I have yet to play but I own it brand new in the factory seal. I bought it frm target on clearance a long time ago for about $7.48 somewhere around that price or maybe $9.98 I know it was not more than $10 bucks. One day I will sit down and give it a go but like others said with other games being released I bought it becasue it was cheap and because of the mix reaction I got from people who played it. I think when I get the chance to sit with it I will propbably enjoy it.
 
Let's see:
* I judge games based on how fun they are to me, not how 'cool' or 'popular' they are;
* I play games in part to escape, not reiterate reality--ooh, drive a forklift. Did that for eight bucks an hour one summer, don't need to do it in a video game;
* I like games that are not incredibly slow moving with illogical control schemes;
* I don't especially like 'point and click', 2d or 3d or 4d.

One thing I did like about it--I ended up selling it on Half.com for twice what I paid.

I am amazed at the level of intolerance people are expressing toward other people's opinion. OMGWTF! lol. I guess I'll be PWN3D next.
Methinks the queen doth protest too much.

Note: There is a difference between saying 'something sucks' and 'I didn't like something'. I am saying the latter.
 
My wife bought me Shenmue for Christmas back in 2000 or 2001, I can't remember.

It's still one of the best gifts I've ever received.

Shenmue is a game that you experience more than just playing. You have to walk around and watch the people making food, selling goods and just walking down the street.

Yu Suzuki made as close to a living world that we've had so far. The game is a masterpiece.

Sure there are problems with it. Bad controls, terrible voice acting and slow gameplay.

But if you can look past that, you see that this game is truely a remarkable piece of work.

You get to live Ryo's life. The only thing more real they could have got is if you had to take him to a shop to go eat or have him go piss.
 
I won't deny it's 'remarkable' based on what little I played. The world-emulation is indeed very good.
Just wasn't a fun 'game' for me. I can play a game and realize 'Hey, this is cool' as in groundbreaking, then with another part of my mind say, 'But I don't like it/I'm not having fun.' I don't really get into the 'virtual worlds' for the sake of the worlds.
I guess I'm already living my life, if the game only allows me to pretty much replicate that [without the father-getting-killed stuff], while it might be a great 'experience', it's not a 'game' for me.
 
[quote name='dtcarson']I won't deny it's 'remarkable' based on what little I played. The world-emulation is indeed very good.
Just wasn't a fun 'game' for me. I can play a game and realize 'Hey, this is cool' as in groundbreaking, then with another part of my mind say, 'But I don't like it/I'm not having fun.' I don't really get into the 'virtual worlds' for the sake of the worlds.
I guess I'm already living my life, if the game only allows me to pretty much replicate that [without the father-getting-killed stuff], while it might be a great 'experience', it's not a 'game' for me.[/QUOTE]


That's like saying that movies should be relegated to Action and nothing more. Video games are becoming a comprehensive source of entertainment -- Shenmue is the "Eternal Sunshine" or "Lost in Translation" to your "Predator." When you pigeonhole entertainment provided through an input device as a "game" you lose the ability to enjoy the game (need a better word -- entertainment medium?) as the experience they are starting to become.

A greater level of immersion in a game makes it transcend the pure definition of "game."
 
I didn't like Shenmue the first time I played it, but once you get into it, the game gets really good. Both games start out extremely boring and get much much better.

The only thing equal to Shenmue in terms of immersiveness of the story that I have played are the Metal Gear games.
 
[quote name='WildWop']That's like saying that movies should be relegated to Action and nothing more. Video games are becoming a comprehensive source of entertainment -- Shenmue is the "Eternal Sunshine" or "Lost in Translation" to your "Predator." When you pigeonhole entertainment provided through an input device as a "game" you lose the ability to enjoy the game (need a better word -- entertainment medium?) as the experience they are starting to become.

A greater level of immersion in a game makes it transcend the pure definition of "game."[/QUOTE]

No it's not. Sure, games are becoming more comprehensive. But ultimately, I 'play' a 'game' because it's 'fun'. Shenmue wasn't fun for me, that is, I didn't enjoy it. Any entertainment medium or item should be 'enjoyed' by the person experiencing it. "Enjoyment" is defined by the user.
I watch a movie because I like it--maybe sometimes I like the big bam booms; maybe sometimes I like to be provoked and challenged mentally; maybe sometimes I like the things it says about society or people or whatever.
Do you like to play games that aren't 'fun', however you define that? Fun to you might be 'experiencing a living world' in a game. That's not fun to me. It's still a game. Is lifting very heavy things over your head 'fun' for you? Not to me, but it is to a bodybuilder. Millions of people watch 'reality' shows every night, those aren't 'fun' or 'enjoyable' to me either.
You are quite defensive; I was quite conciliatory in saying Shenmue was a quality work and that I just didn't like it, and here you are implying I'm some sort of action-movie minded Joe SixPack buffoon simply because I don't agree with your opinion that Shenmue is the god of games, that I somehow don't have the 'ability' to 'enjoy' the game.
I'm glad you used Lost in Translation and Eternal Sunshine in your post; I haven't seen them yet. Had you used Royal Tenenbaums, which is sometimes mentioned in the same breath as the first two, I would have had to heartily disagree as well, and say I found RT a boring, noninteresting waste of a disk. Again, not saying it's objectively a 'bad film', just saying what my subjective opinion of it was. Which is apparently 'wrong'.

And, this goes for games, movies, books as well--Sometimes things take a while to 'get started'. How long is a while? I've read books where the first 9 of 10 chapters were dreadful, and the final chapter was actually decent; other ones where I couldn't get into even the first chapter, so I'd put it down and maybe come back and try later. How long should the user be expected to stick with the 'boring' parts before getting to the 'good stuff'? I think that depends on the user, and while certainly 5 or 10 minutes isn't enough, 2 or 3 hours should be more than enough to at least show the promise of getting 'better' [ie, more fun or enjoyable for that specific person.] If I play a game for, say, 3 hours, or 'immerse' myself in it, and don't 'enjoy' it for any of that time, or see improvement in my level of enjoyment, that's pretty much it for me. Again, I can still say "Wow, that was an immersive experience,", or "Hey, that really felt like a virtual world,", but at the end of the day, if I don't *like* that feeling or that experience, I'm not going to "like" the game/experience/media. There are many classic authors whom I can respect for their mark on literature, but whom I don't "like". Many musicians/groups, for instance, are the same way. I don't have to like everything, and I don't need validation that other people like or don't like the same thing I do.
 
Well put.

The point of my post was that it seemed as though you dismissed Shenmue since it did not fit your definition of a game. I invoked movies as a reference to how video games are really starting to push the boundary between 'games' and true interactive experiences, so grading something like Shenmue (interactive experience) versus the standard 'game' fare seemed wrong. It appears from your follow-up that my interpretation of your first post was off.

(By the way Royal Tenenbaums was horrid, if you ask me. Lumping it with Sunshine or Translation is a crime against nature.)


On a side note, if they could combine something like Shenmue with the freedom of decision making in a Bioware game, they'd have a helluva lot more marketable material. Talk about real Role Playing. No EXP, no BS weapons, just you becoming a character in a living, breathing world. RPGs as we know them would be blown out of the water.
 
Heh. I just picked Shenmue up three days ago (I discovered the Dreamcast a few years too late). Everything in the last half of this thread seems spot on. I couldn't figure out what was really going on for about the first hour. In the story's defense however, I was having trouble with the controls (awkward movement in cramped hallways is a difficult introduction).

Once I got out of the Hazuki household it started to pick up, and I'm loving it. But my first game was King's Quest IV (one of the better point-and-clicks), so I'm right at home.

Last comment: I'm never talking to a kid again. If I ever have a little kid say "Hey, Mister! Wanna play with me?" in real life, I might just snap. That damn kid is everywhere, and he's scarred me for life.
 
[quote name='kill3r7']This game is not for everyone. It requires a particular taste.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I think I just got lucky. I needed something serene to contrast against Donkey Kong Jungle Beat. ^_^
 
Ah... Shenmue... while I agree that its not for everyone... it truly is a masterpeice as a form of Digital Art. For its time is was an AMAZING looking game.

I'm actually surprised that Yu Suzuki hasn't released Shenmue 3 on this generation of system. Sadly it may be a case of business over art. The game just did'nt sell well enough. I can only imagine what Suzuki and the team could do if they started Shenmue 3 on a next gen system... if they pushed the DC that hard... even the current crop of systems would yield an amazing looking game. Voice acting was pretty bad though... heh.

Do you know any sailors?!?! Have you seen any sailors?!?!? Hello sir... do you know anything about sailors... Damn Ryo and his addiction to sailors!
 
Can you tell me how to get to Wan Chai?
Oh Wan Chai? I don't know.
Thanks.


(By the way Royal Tenenbaums was horrid, if you ask me. Lumping it with Sunshine or Translation is a crime against nature

whoa whoa whoa, chill! Say what you will about "understated themes" in Lost in Translation, but it is science fact that the best part of that movie is scarlett johansons ass in the begining. yeah yeah, i know, movie for our generation blah blah blah, but it just shows the whinyness and silly, needless torture that goes into relationships nowadays.

Royal Tennenbaums is not horrid at all...unless you don't get the sense of humor or try to look to deep into it (which i'm sure you, as a diehard fan of translation and eternal sunshine, did =P )
 
Shenmue II (the European Dreamcast version with the Japanese & Chinese voices and English subtitles, not the awful English voices version!) is one of my favorite games ever. Much better than the first. Just my random 2 cents. The atmosphere, the characters, and the feel of being in the world...really drew me in. I loved it.
 
[quote name='Apossum']
Royal Tennenbaums is not horrid at all...unless you don't get the sense of humor or try to look to deep into it (which i'm sure you, as a diehard fan of translation and eternal sunshine, did =P )[/QUOTE]

Yeah, you're probably right. It's likely the frame of mind I was in when I watched it that set me against Royal Tennenbaums. Sort of like the frame of mind that made me want to injure small furry woodland creatures after watching Dodgeball.
 
Sort of like the frame of mind that made me want to injure small furry woodland creatures after watching Dodgeball.

What?!! you hated Dodgeball??!!! errr...oh wait...yeah, I didn't like that one too much either. :D
 
[quote name='coolsteel']Shenmue is the shit! Man I feel like replaying the first after reading this thread, maybe someday the story will be finished off.[/QUOTE]

i too am getting the urge to play
 
Since this topic is already here, I'll just ask here. Is Shenmue known to freeze on loading screens sometimes? I just got into my first free battle, won it, and then went to talk to people before I saved at the Hazuki residence. I went into the MJQ Bar, but it stuck on the load screen.

I'm just curious if this happens a lot, or if I got "lucky."
 
[quote name='NateWhs152']Who the hell actually likes this lame ass game. IGN gave it a 9.5. WTF this game sucks my ass hole.[/QUOTE]

ru selling it
 
To OP: What, you don't like driving a fork lift for hours and asking 25 people the same question just so they can give you the same stupid answers? Blasphemy!

Shenmoo is teh grate!
 
i especially enjoyed collecting things outta machines... who doesn't want 30 virtual sonic the hedgehogs?... that kinda personi would not want to be friends with
 
Do you know any places where sailors hang out?

I'm enjoying the game, but the conversations are so astoundingly bad that I can't help but laugh at them.

And I kinda like the useless collectible toys. It's better than the sodas at least.
 
[quote name='False Hope']Voice-acting was a relatively new thing and the graphics were nothing short of gorgeous for a simple in-game engine.[/QUOTE]

"Wing Commander II: Vengence Of The Kilrathi" says HI, we were doing VOICE-ACTING back in the early 90s. :shock:

Seriously tho, I really enjoyed both "Shenmue" games a lot. The slower pace for me gave the game a more true film feel to them - plus you have to admit you always found your way to the arcades to play some of the Sega classics. :D
 
Which way is it to Wan Chai?
Can you show me the way to Wan Chai?
Which way is it to Wan Chai?
Oh? Wan Chai? I don't know.
 
[quote name='demomanTNA']"Wing Commander II: Vengence Of The Kilrathi" says HI, we were doing VOICE-ACTING back in the early 90s. :shock:

Seriously tho, I really enjoyed both "Shenmue" games a lot. The slower pace for me gave the game a more true film feel to them - plus you have to admit you always found your way to the arcades to play some of the Sega classics. :D[/QUOTE]

Wasn't that just in the cinematics, which were really just movie clips? I'd imagine it's more difficult to craft speech that can be accessed at any point in the game on-demand, rather than running through a script that goes directly from A->B...
 
I hate Shenmue just because I know it will never be finished, and that hurts me deep inside.

Every E3 I hope Shenmue 3 is announced, but I know it never will be.
 
[quote name='dtcarson']Let's see:
* I judge games based on how fun they are to me, not how 'cool' or 'popular' they are;
* I play games in part to escape, not reiterate reality--ooh, drive a forklift. Did that for eight bucks an hour one summer, don't need to do it in a video game;
* I like games that are not incredibly slow moving with illogical control schemes;
* I don't especially like 'point and click', 2d or 3d or 4d.

One thing I did like about it--I ended up selling it on Half.com for twice what I paid.

I am amazed at the level of intolerance people are expressing toward other people's opinion. OMGWTF! lol. I guess I'll be PWN3D next.
Methinks the queen doth protest too much.

Note: There is a difference between saying 'something sucks' and 'I didn't like something'. I am saying the latter.[/QUOTE]

Holy fuck, someone who gave pretty decent argument to back their opinion. I didn't think such things happened here.

I personally liked Shenmue, but found Shenmue II to be significantly more boring. Though you certainly give a valid reason for disliking it, which I can respect.
 
I have a complete copy of Shenmue. Anyone want it PM me. I agree, I never liked it and haven't touched it since playing it for about 20 minutes. Time goes by too quickly, and too much waiting and stuff.
 
[quote name='j.elles']I have a complete copy of Shenmue. Anyone want it PM me. I agree, I never liked it and haven't touched it since playing it for about 20 minutes. Time goes by too quickly, and too much waiting and stuff.[/QUOTE]


Time goes by too quickly... too much waiting... why does the combination of those two statements throw me off? Does it make sense to other people? Should I just shut up and play some more lucky hit?
 
[quote name='WildWop']Time goes by too quickly... too much waiting... why does the combination of those two statements throw me off? Does it make sense to other people? Should I just shut up and play some more lucky hit?[/QUOTE]

:rofl:
 
Sorry, time goes by to quickly, therefore you have to wait for morning or evening. And by the time you walk to a certain area it's to late to do what you need. Or theres not enough time to go and do something else, and get back in time.
 
[quote name='WildWop']Wasn't that just in the cinematics, which were really just movie clips? I'd imagine it's more difficult to craft speech that can be accessed at any point in the game on-demand, rather than running through a script that goes directly from A->B...[/QUOTE]

"Wing Commander II" also had speech in game as well - like the numerous comments you'd hear from you fellow wingman celebrating another kill, or taunts from the alien Kilrathi (which ironically were in perfect English lol).
 
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