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Ok this is what I sometimes do when I go to a store like gamestop, eb, and music recyclery (local store); when a person comes in with games for trade or sale and the items interest me I wait till the clerk of the store gives them a total of credit or money that they will receive if they sell or trade the items to them. I then offer them more money for the items (usually they prefer money over credit) and if they accept it we go outside and do the exchange.

Overall here are some things that I got from doing this:

3do with ten games: $20

Sega 32x in box: $5

Marvel vs Street fighter (imp), metal slug (imp), and another game for the Sega saturn for $25.

Sega saturn system, streets of rage 3, and warcraft 2 (SS): $10

:roll:
 
I think maybe if you do it once or twice it's okay, but if you do it numerous times, I would consider it to be rude.
 
Rude. If it is an insanely rare item, I might still be tempted to do it, but otherwise, I just wait to see if the customer turns down the offer. If they have already decided that they aren't selling to the store, it is fair game (best to discuss it with them outside still, though).
 
Threads have already been made about this exact same thing and someone showed that it hurts the game store's buisness considerably.
 
no its not rude its being smart, fuck those stores, low balling the customers, if you can offer them more for something you want then fucking do it.
 
Overall I am not trying to do this to be rude like for example:

A guy goes in music recyclery and tries to sell them the marvel vs street fighter, metal slug, and the other game and the store offers him only $9.80 for the total :shock: . He was ok fine :shock: , I was shock and then I came up to him and asked him why is he selling them for a low price; because gamestop and eb dont accept saturn games anymore and I need some cash. I was ok I will give you $25 for the three games and he was ok; he then cancelled the order and I meet him outside and made the transaction. Overall he got more money and I got three import game for my saturn. :wink:

Also as you can see all the things I made an offer have been on items that are 16-32 generation stuff.
 
I know of one prominent independent store that will ban your ass for doing this anywhere on their property, including the parking lot.
 
[quote name='epobirs']I know of one prominent independent store that will ban your ass for doing this anywhere on their property, including the parking lot.[/quote]

and that is why that store is lame
 
Rude.
And in some places illegal.
Granted, they were biased, but I took a bunch of games to a pawn shop, and they gave me like 1.00 each for them. Someone in the store said 'hey, I'll give you 8 for that game there' and I of course said Sure. As soon as I did, the person at the counter told us we had to leave the store if we wanted to do that. I don't know if they were talking out of their ass or what, and this pawn shop was a POS anyway, but we stepped out. If nothing else, it was rude.

Maybe the stores are lowballing. If people say 'Yes' to the deal, why should they change?

Stores are private property. They can ask you to leave, or ban you, for almost any reason, and using their property to compete against them would be a pretty good reason.

If you do that, you are technically conducting business without a license, and using EB's property to do so. Do you think Best Buy would allow a guy wearing a red Circuit City shirt to wander around in the store selling CC stuff inside Best Buy?
Ever see those signs saying 'No Soliciting'?
 
[quote name='Nirvanaguy777']no its not rude its being smart, shaq-fu those stores, low balling the customers, if you can offer them more for something you want then shaq-fuing do it.[/quote]

But you are in the store, taking business away from them. It isn't like an eBay auction, where everyone has a right to bid. If it was your store, you'd feel differently.
 
Yes it's rude, but if you trade me the 32x I'll forgive you :wink:

Seriously, just use a little tackt. Rather than make an offer right in front of the clerk, just tell the guy/girl that they could get more somewere else and then offer to discuss it outside. You're not making a counter offer inside the store, your just informing the consume.
 
Let me just say that I DO NOT offer them anything in front of the clerk, once the clerk leaves for a few or if the person walks around the store I will talk to them and offer them more if they accept, I leave the store and meet them in the parking lot.
 
[quote name='Nirvanaguy777'][quote name='epobirs']I know of one prominent independent store that will ban your ass for doing this anywhere on their property, including the parking lot.[/quote]

and that is why that store is lame[/quote]

Actually, they're the #1 independent game store for much of Los Angeles County, which is no small thing.
 
To be honest, I don't feel the practice is in bad taste IF and only IF that store doesn't accept that merchandise in the first place. Back when when the local Gamestop was still Software ETC, they didn't accept 32x/Saturn/Jaguar/SNES/NES etc etc - More than once I was in there when someone attempted to trade something in that they didn't accept - and I was there to scoop up the lot. That being said, I would NEVER attempt to do this for something that the store actually made an offer on within the store - however If they declined to sell the item to the store I would perhaps approach them OUTSIDE the store and after they already refused the deal. The best rule of thumb is - if you're undercutting a potential deal in progress for the establishment, you're being an ass.
 
daikaiju: That sounds reasonable. 'Second dibs', or stuff that EB wasn't buying anyway, so you're no longer competing, and you're performing the business outside their building/off their property. I can go for that.

In a way, that profit margin that EB [or whoever] makes by selling a game for 37.99, that they bought for 9.00, makes it possible for you to even be standing there listening to Joe NES in the store.

What if Bobby from El Cheapo Video Games.com comes here to CAG, and posts his referral links to etailers on the boards? That's a very similar situation, and I bet he'd be smacked down or banned right quick.
 
[quote name='ryosnk']Overall I am not trying to do this to be rude like for example:

A guy goes in music recyclery and tries to sell them the marvel vs street fighter, metal slug, and the other game and the store offers him only $9.80 for the total :shock: . He was ok fine :shock: , I was shock and then I came up to him and asked him why is he selling them for a low price; because gamestop and eb dont accept saturn games anymore and I need some cash. I was ok I will give you $25 for the three games and he was ok; he then cancelled the order and I meet him outside and made the transaction. Overall he got more money and I got three import game for my saturn. :wink:

Also as you can see all the things I made an offer have been on items that are 16-32 generation stuff.[/quote]
What you did was very rude, the transaction was in the final phases, now if you had made an offer before they made an offer thats not rude, or if did not want to take their offer then you would be in the clear
 
[quote name='epobirs'][quote name='Nirvanaguy777'][quote name='epobirs']I know of one prominent independent store that will ban your ass for doing this anywhere on their property, including the parking lot.[/quote]

and that is why that store is lame[/quote]

Actually, they're the #1 independent game store for much of Los Angeles County, which is no small thing.[/quote]
Id love to see someone ban me from their parking lot, o wait if it is in a shopping center then it is a public parking lot.
 
That's not rude, these people are giving way to much respect to EB, GS, etc. These stores fuck people in the ass on trade ins every day, so fuck 'em.

I just wish I had the time and money to sit around one of these stores all day and watch for good items.
 
Don't get me wrong - GS and EB completely bone you on the trade-in value of your games - and make their profit in the insane markup to be sure, but this is capitalism folks. If you don't want to trade there, quite simply - don't. Just because they hose their customer base over doesn't make it ethical to do the same to them. Just because I did your sister doesn't mean you can do mine. :lol:
 
[quote name='ryosnk']Let me just say that I DO NOT offer them anything in front of the clerk, once the clerk leaves for a few or if the person walks around the store I will talk to them and offer them more if they accept, I leave the store and meet them in the parking lot.[/quote]

And how is this different from doing it in from doing it in front of him/her?
Its soliciting and leaching from a establishment. Why don't you open up your own game store, you seem to be good at giving trading and such.

And Nirvanagay666 no the store is not lame, you are.

When you grow up and move out of your mom's house, I would like to come in to your McDonalds that you will be working in and start selling Wendy's burgers.

Shaq-fu all of you scavangers and leeches, any one of you come into my store and you will be getting acquainted with the men and women of the Jacksonville's Sheriffs Office.
 
Once my friend and I were in this POS independent video game/movie store (a lot of their more popular games are sold for $54.99 instead of $49.99 plus they never have price drops) and this scary looking guy brought in a bunch of XBox games to trade in. As he was at the counter, my friend walked over to him and asked what he was trading in. At that point, the bitch (and I mean old uptight hoarse voiced bitch) behind the counter said she wanted both of them out of the store right now. It wasn't like my friend even offered to buy anything, he just wanted to see what the guy was getting rid of. The sad thing was they were all old sports games :lol:

After that I pretty much decided I would never go to that store again :evil:
 
[quote name='sying'][quote name='ryosnk']Let me just say that I DO NOT offer them anything in front of the clerk, once the clerk leaves for a few or if the person walks around the store I will talk to them and offer them more if they accept, I leave the store and meet them in the parking lot.[/quote]

And how is this different from doing it in from doing it in front of him/her?
Its soliciting and leaching from a establishment. Why don't you open up your own game store, you seem to be good at giving trading and such.

And Nirvanagay666 no the store is not lame, you are.

When you grow up and move out of your mom's house, I would like to come in to your McDonalds that you will be working in and start selling Wendy's burgers.

Shaq-fu all of you scavangers and leeches, any one of you come into my store and you will be getting acquainted with the men and women of the Jacksonville's Sheriffs Office.[/quote]

What would the charge be, just out of curiousity?
 
[quote name='jmcc'][quote name='sying'][quote name='ryosnk']Let me just say that I DO NOT offer them anything in front of the clerk, once the clerk leaves for a few or if the person walks around the store I will talk to them and offer them more if they accept, I leave the store and meet them in the parking lot.[/quote]

And how is this different from doing it in from doing it in front of him/her?
Its soliciting and leaching from a establishment. Why don't you open up your own game store, you seem to be good at giving trading and such.

And Nirvanagay666 no the store is not lame, you are.

When you grow up and move out of your mom's house, I would like to come in to your McDonalds that you will be working in and start selling Wendy's burgers.

Shaq-fu all of you scavangers and leeches, any one of you come into my store and you will be getting acquainted with the men and women of the Jacksonville's Sheriffs Office.[/quote]

What would the charge be, just out of curiousity?[/quote]

Loitering/solciting I guess...I dunno if it's really illegal though, perhaps in some places.
 
[quote name='Nirvanaguy777']no its not rude its being smart, shaq-fu those stores, low balling the customers, if you can offer them more for something you want then shaq-fuing do it.[/quote]

Yeah. fuck stores for selling me things and offering me money for things at reasonable amounts. They are bastards who want to make money. No one should make money. Let's all try to screw stores out of money. Because then we can be extremely cheap gamers and not be able to buy anything.

Oh, wait. Go to hell.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='jmcc'][quote name='sying'][quote name='ryosnk']Let me just say that I DO NOT offer them anything in front of the clerk, once the clerk leaves for a few or if the person walks around the store I will talk to them and offer them more if they accept, I leave the store and meet them in the parking lot.[/quote]

And how is this different from doing it in from doing it in front of him/her?
Its soliciting and leaching from a establishment. Why don't you open up your own game store, you seem to be good at giving trading and such.

And Nirvanagay666 no the store is not lame, you are.

When you grow up and move out of your mom's house, I would like to come in to your McDonalds that you will be working in and start selling Wendy's burgers.

Shaq-fu all of you scavangers and leeches, any one of you come into my store and you will be getting acquainted with the men and women of the Jacksonville's Sheriffs Office.[/quote]

What would the charge be, just out of curiousity?[/quote]

Loitering/solciting I guess...I dunno if it's really illegal though, perhaps in some places.[/quote]

I can't see either being applicable unless the person is in your store poaching sales from you on a regular basis. I think if it's a one time thing the worst a store owner could do would be to ban them from the shop and file tresspassing charges if they show up again.
 
[quote name='Tromack'][quote name='Nirvanaguy777']no its not rude its being smart, shaq-fu those stores, low balling the customers, if you can offer them more for something you want then shaq-fuing do it.[/quote]

Yeah. shaq-fu stores for selling me things and offering me money for things at reasonable amounts. They are bastards who want to make money. No one should make money. Let's all try to screw stores out of money. Because then we can be extremely cheap gamers and not be able to buy anything.

Oh, wait. Go to hell.[/quote]

It's a free market, though. Doesn't the person selling the used games have the right to try to make as much money off them as possible? If they can get a better rate off of a private buyer and the buyer can get the game they want for less than what a chain store can, why is that wrong for either party involved?
 
[quote name='jmcc'][quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='jmcc'][quote name='sying'][quote name='ryosnk']Let me just say that I DO NOT offer them anything in front of the clerk, once the clerk leaves for a few or if the person walks around the store I will talk to them and offer them more if they accept, I leave the store and meet them in the parking lot.[/quote]

And how is this different from doing it in from doing it in front of him/her?
Its soliciting and leaching from a establishment. Why don't you open up your own game store, you seem to be good at giving trading and such.

And Nirvanagay666 no the store is not lame, you are.

When you grow up and move out of your mom's house, I would like to come in to your McDonalds that you will be working in and start selling Wendy's burgers.

Shaq-fu all of you scavangers and leeches, any one of you come into my store and you will be getting acquainted with the men and women of the Jacksonville's Sheriffs Office.[/quote]

What would the charge be, just out of curiousity?[/quote]

Loitering/solciting I guess...I dunno if it's really illegal though, perhaps in some places.[/quote]

I can't see either being applicable unless the person is in your store poaching sales from you on a regular basis. I think if it's a one time thing the worst a store owner could do would be to ban them from the shop and file tresspassing charges if they show up again.[/quote]

They're talking about waiting around in the store with a clear intent to not purchase anything. And then undercutting the store by soliciting the store's customers with offers. Even it it's only once those apply, granted the police wouldn't do anything other than tell them to leave and don't come back, especially for a first offense (again I dunno if it's totally illegal in certain places), but nevertheless, even if you do it once, it's still loitiering and solciting on private property by the legal definitions.
 
[quote name='jmcc'][quote name='Tromack'][quote name='Nirvanaguy777']no its not rude its being smart, shaq-fu those stores, low balling the customers, if you can offer them more for something you want then shaq-fuing do it.[/quote]

Yeah. shaq-fu stores for selling me things and offering me money for things at reasonable amounts. They are bastards who want to make money. No one should make money. Let's all try to screw stores out of money. Because then we can be extremely cheap gamers and not be able to buy anything.

Oh, wait. Go to hell.[/quote]

It's a free market, though. Doesn't the person selling the used games have the right to try to make as much money off them as possible? If they can get a better rate off of a private buyer and the buyer can get the game they want for less than what a chain store can, why is that wrong for either party involved?[/quote]

While I do agree to some degree it is in very, very poor taste. And to do it to spite the business is just wrong. The business has to pay a lot of overhead to have the storefront, advertise, inventory etc. and then some punk kid comes up and uses everything that company has done to take their business.

Edit- If the person selling the used game really wanted the most, they could go to e-bay and auction it, or have a garage sale with the price that they want for it.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='jmcc']

I can't see either being applicable unless the person is in your store poaching sales from you on a regular basis. I think if it's a one time thing the worst a store owner could do would be to ban them from the shop and file tresspassing charges if they show up again.[/quote]

They're talking about waiting around in the store with a clear intent to not purchase anything. And then undercutting the store by soliciting the store's customers with offers. Even it it's only once those apply, granted the police wouldn't do anything other than tell them to leave and don't come back, especially for a first offense (again I dunno if it's totally illegal in certain places), but nevertheless, even if you do it once, it's still loitiering and solciting on private property by the legal definitions.[/quote]

The loitering would be impossible to prove, though. They could always just say they were about to buy something when you ejected them from the store for stealing their sale. As for the soliciting, I'd have to see the statute that would apply. I don't know if soliciting applies to the sale of non-illegal goods.
 
Don't need a statute to tell you to get the hell out of their store and don't come back.

If you think you can run a business where you buy games for 29 and sell them for 31, especially with a bunch of cheapasses taking advantage of every deal, go right ahead and do it.
If you don't support their trade in values, don't trade. If you have friends who are getting screwed on trade-ins, convince them not to do it.
An item is worth whatever someone can get for it. Perhaps to Joe Blow, 6 bucks cash or 8 bucks credit toward GTA: SA is worth more than ESPN Soccer 2004. That's his decision to say 'yes' and not yours.
I'm not defending EB or GS, I have never traded anything in there because I might as well give stuff away, but I support their right to run the business however they want [legally] that makes them money.

Once you enter that store, it's no longer a free market. Let's say I bought a bunch of candy bars from BJ's for 10 cents each in bulk. I go to Harris Teeter or Food Lion, set up shop right outside their door selling candy bars for .25 instead of the .59 cents HT or FL sells them for.
Is that ok?
How long do you think it would be before either a manager or a cop comes and politely asks me to move along?

I would think solicitiing does apply-you are conducting business, without a license, on private property.

Technically if you ask someone to leave your property, and they don't, they are now trespassing.
Also, in GA at least, the definition of 'Breaking and Entering' is
the unauthorized entry or remaining
on the property of another
with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein.

I don't think soliciting is a felony, and it's most likely not theft [except in the abstract case of 'stealing their customers], but they could probably find something to charge with.
 
[quote name='dtcarson']Don't need a statute to tell you to get the hell out of their store and don't come back.[/quote]

Yes, but how would you know to do that before they make the person an offer on the games?

[quote name='dtcarson']If you think you can run a business where you buy games for 29 and sell them for 31, especially with a bunch of cheapasses taking advantage of every deal, go right ahead and do it.
If you don't support their trade in values, don't trade. If you have friends who are getting screwed on trade-ins, convince them not to do it.
An item is worth whatever someone can get for it. Perhaps to Joe Blow, 6 bucks cash or 8 bucks credit toward GTA: SA is worth more than ESPN Soccer 2004. That's his decision to say 'yes' and not yours.
I'm not defending EB or GS, I have never traded anything in there because I might as well give stuff away, but I support their right to run the business however they want [legally] that makes them money.[/quote]

I'm not sure what point you were making there. Please clarify.

[quote name='dtcarson']Once you enter that store, it's no longer a free market.[/quote]

So you're forced to sell to the store you go into first or no one at all?

[quote name='dtcarson']Let's say I bought a bunch of candy bars from BJ's for 10 cents each in bulk. I go to Harris Teeter or Food Lion, set up shop right outside their door selling candy bars for .25 instead of the .59 cents HT or FL sells them for.
Is that ok?
How long do you think it would be before either a manager or a cop comes and politely asks me to move along?[/quote]

To make this situation analogous to the game store one it would be more apt to say "what if you ran a store and some guy was waiting on your loading dock paying the candy bar delivery-man more than what you'd pay him and making off with your candy?" Even then it's not a very good comparison, since the market for prepackaged food is hardly the same as used video games.

[quote name='dtcarson']I would think solicitiing does apply-you are conducting business, without a license, on private property.[/quote]

I won't dispute it if someone can cite the statute and it verifies what you're saying, but I can't agree without knowing the law.

[quote name='dtcarson']Technically if you ask someone to leave your property, and they don't, they are now trespassing.
Also, in GA at least, the definition of 'Breaking and Entering' is
the unauthorized entry or remaining
on the property of another
with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein.

I don't think soliciting is a felony, and it's most likely not theft [except in the abstract case of 'stealing their customers], but they could probably find something to charge with.[/quote]

Again, see my above points on tresspassing and soliciting law. I'm won't argue that poaching a game store's sale isn't exactly the friendliest thing to do to them, but I don't think there's anything inherently illegal about it and other than banning the person from the store there's not much they can do.
 
[quote name='jmcc'][quote name='dtcarson']Don't need a statute to tell you to get the hell out of their store and don't come back.[/quote]

Yes, but how would you know to do that before they make the person an offer on the games?

They don't have to know to do that. As a private business, they can refuse service to anyone they want as long as it's not based on one of the protected statuses. And once someone tries the 'swoop-in' thing, that is certainly a cause for kicking someone out.

[quote name='dtcarson']If you think you can run a business where you buy games for 29 and sell them for 31, especially with a bunch of cheapasses taking advantage of every deal, go right ahead and do it.
If you don't support their trade in values, don't trade. If you have friends who are getting screwed on trade-ins, convince them not to do it.
An item is worth whatever someone can get for it. Perhaps to Joe Blow, 6 bucks cash or 8 bucks credit toward GTA: SA is worth more than ESPN Soccer 2004. That's his decision to say 'yes' and not yours.
I'm not defending EB or GS, I have never traded anything in there because I might as well give stuff away, but I support their right to run the business however they want [legally] that makes them money.[/quote]

I'm not sure what point you were making there. Please clarify.

In reference to the people who are of the opinion 'GS gives squat for trade ins, so it's ok to rip them off.' Which might not have been you, admittedly.

[quote name='dtcarson']Once you enter that store, it's no longer a free market.[/quote]

So you're forced to sell to the store you go into first or no one at all?

No, but it's no longer a free market in that 'anyone' and 'everyone' can offer goods or services. The decision to finalize the trade is between the store and the owner of the items, but it's in effect a very localized monopoly--until the customer leaves the property.

[quote name='dtcarson']Let's say I bought a bunch of candy bars from BJ's for 10 cents each in bulk. I go to Harris Teeter or Food Lion, set up shop right outside their door selling candy bars for .25 instead of the .59 cents HT or FL sells them for.
Is that ok?
How long do you think it would be before either a manager or a cop comes and politely asks me to move along?[/quote]

To make this situation analogous to the game store one it would be more apt to say "what if you ran a store and some guy was waiting on your loading dock paying the candy bar delivery-man more than what you'd pay him and making off with your candy?" Even then it's not a very good comparison, since the market for prepackaged food is hardly the same as used video games.

Doesn't matter if the 'market' is the same, the situation is the same. In your example, its actually worse, because for the candybar guy to come with a shipment implies I already have a relationship with him and am expecting him.

I had another example earlier. What if someone came to CAG and posted a bunch of referral links to game e-tailers where he would get the referral bonus, rather than CAG? These situations are not totally identical, but they are similar enough to get the point across.

[quote name='dtcarson']I would think solicitiing does apply-you are conducting business, without a license, on private property.[/quote]

I won't dispute it if someone can cite the statute and it verifies what you're saying, but I can't agree without knowing the law.

So you're saying it's totally okay, unless it's against the law, in which case its only bad if theres a law specifying such?

http://www.cityofchicago.org/Revenue/License/DontGet.html
"The City of Chicago Municipal Code mandates that no business activity may take place without first obtaining the required license(s). A pending license application does not allow you to operate - you must wait for the license to be issued."

Granted, that certainly depends on how 'business activity' is defined, and that was the best thing I found in a twominute Google search. But even that is missing the forest for the trees. The basic question is,
"Is it 'wrong' or 'rude' to use a business's own property to interfere with its conducting of legal, legitimate business, and steal its business?' To me the answer is an unequivocal yes. Legality is only a second concern--just because something's legal doesn't make it right.

[quote name='dtcarson']Technically if you ask someone to leave your property, and they don't, they are now trespassing.
Also, in GA at least, the definition of 'Breaking and Entering' is
the unauthorized entry or remaining
on the property of another
with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein.

I don't think soliciting is a felony, and it's most likely not theft [except in the abstract case of 'stealing their customers], but they could probably find something to charge with.[/quote]

Again, see my above points on tresspassing and soliciting law. I'm won't argue that poaching a game store's sale isn't exactly the friendliest thing to do to them, but I don't think there's anything inherently illegal about it and other than banning the person from the store there's not much they can do.[/quote]

It's been quite a while since I've been in a law class, so I will concede that point--I don't know offhand if there's anything inherently illegal in it, and even if there is, it probably varies between state to state and city to city. [I would be surprised if it didn't at least brush upon some illegalities, though.] But it's still certainly 'wrong'. And if the store representative asks the customer to leave, and he does not, then it becomes trespassing, which is illegal. ""a person violates the law against trespassing by knowingly going onto someone else's land without consent. "Knowledge" may be inferred when the owner (or the owner's representative) tells the trespasser not to go on the land"
http://www.tba.org/LawBytes/T10_1903.html

and my local trespass laws: http://www.ncleg.net/Statutes/GeneralStatutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-159.13.html

(a)Offense. - A person commits the offense of second
degree trespass if, without authorization, he enters or remains
on premises of another:
(1) After he has been notified not to enter or remain
there by the owner, by a person in charge of the
premises, by a lawful occupant, or by another
authorized person; or
(2) That are posted, in a manner reasonably likely to
come to the attention of intruders, with notice not
to enter the premises.
(b) Classification. - Second degree trespass is a Class 3
misdemeanor.




The italicized things are my responses.[/i]
 
It's not rude, EB and GS have shitty trade in prices. And if the stores don't accept those kind of games (Saturn games. ect.), then the person would probably give them to goodwill or something. : \
 
[quote name='KurtCobain']It's not rude, EB and GS have shitty trade in prices. And if the stores don't accept those kind of games (Saturn games. ect.), then the person would probably give them to goodwill or something. : \[/quote]

What a arguement, chock full of utter ignorance. See dtcarson's dissertation above, asshat.
 
Overall I think the seller has an opinion in this matter because he/she has the RIGHT to say no or yes to the offer. It is this person business on to he/she wants to conduct business with. IF the store doesn't carry those items I see no fault and if the business is low-balling the person because he/she doesn't know the asking price for a game then that person is getting screwed. I dont feel its right to give a person five dollars for a game like disgea and then sell it for $39.99 that is just bad business for the consurmer who sold it and the consumer who is going to buy it because he doesnt have the fifty dollars for it new; net profit $35 for the store and negative for the person who only got $5 for a game that he probably paid fifty. Shit people if you dont see anything wrong then ok and if you do then ok. Freedom of speech or writing is key so post or say whatever you want. So maybe next time I see a store offering joe smo only ten dollars for a panzer dragoon saga or radiant silvergun then maybe then I wont say anything or offer joe smo more then what they are offering or is worth.

Remember these corporations only care about money not on being fare and equal to all.
 
A corporation *should* care about money. As long as it doesn't break the law, and conducts business fairly, that's exactly what I expect it to do. Your very post shows that *you* care about money as well.

Again, to bring it down to a basic level:

Part One: If you buy Game A for 50 bucks, then I offer you 5 bucks for it, and you say Yes.
Is there anything wrong with that? Not at all. Unless I have a gun to your head, you can certainly say No, I want more, at which point I can say Well, sell somewhere else then, because I'm not paying more. It's called demand and market equilibrium. You want to see a glaring example of this, hit your local used car lots. My last car purchase was a 2001 Buick Rendezvous with 17000 miles. The 2003 version cost abotu 35k. Mine cost 18k. Which means whoever sold it probably got 12k or so, which was obviously okay with him.

Part the Second: You interfere with a legal transaction, being conducted on the property of another, with intent to harm the bottom line of the property owner and basically compete with him. Is there something wrong with that? Absolutely. And for anyone to say Yes for Part 1, and No for Part 2, really makes me shake my head at the level of moral relativism, egocentrism, and sheer amorality in today's society.

Freedom of speech has NOTHING to do with this. Not to get too far off topic, but 'freedom of speech' merely means the government can't arrest you merely for speaking out in a public forum. A company can certainly refuse to do business with you based on what you say, or limit your speech in their store.

The seller certainly can say yes or no. He has to ask himself that question, 'Is what Store A offering me, worth more to me at this time than my ownership of Game A?'

If I posted in the trading forum that I had a sealed copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga, or non-GH FFT, or Snatcher, and wanted 15 bucks shipped for it, what would most of the responses be? 'PM sent!'
I didn't know the market price. I asked a price that I was willing to accept. Caveat emptor [or caveat sellor, I don't know the Latin for that]. It is the responsibility of all parties to a transaction to educate themselves about the potential deal.

If the store doesn't carry the items, and does not make an offer on them: I see less conflict with making an offer to the seller, but again, the conflict there is that you are conducting your personal business on the company's property. You are profiting from their paying rent, salaries, overhead, inventory, etc.

I do think that in general the used game prices are ridiculous--37.99 for a game that's 39.99 new? But I show that by either buying the game new, or buying it cheaper elsewhere, not by interfering with the stores business. If someone else thinks saving two bucks is worth buying a used copy, that's his right as a consumer.

It's funny, some of the basic economics opinions we see on this board:
* They're evil capitalists, trying to make a profit, shaq-fu'em! [but I pounced on the CC sale]
* Companies need to be fair to everybody! [but I just paid some sucker at a garage sale 1.00 for 10 Saturn games].
* Anything you can do to cheat Big Evil Companies is good! [Quick, help me do the Target Raincheck scam].

Sorry for another dissertation : ). And I know some people don't like to read, since it's so much easier to write or read things like 'OMG! JOO SuXoors d00d! Shaq-Fu the people trying to run a business, make money, employ people, offer benefits, and offer returns to their stockholders!' But I have an odd flaw--I like to actually use logic, facts, and reason in arguments.
 
So in summation, for those just joining in, it has yet to be specified what law is broken by offering someone money for their games in the store, but it can get you kicked out of the store and barred from the property, though probably not until after you've poached the sale, so if you're going to do it, make sure you can live without the store and that your intended target game is worth it.

Also, I'm of the personal philosophy that it's not good or bad, really. You have to accept the consequences, but in the end it's just a matter of business for both you and the store. Both have to do what they have to do; And if I saw someone come into the store with a $10,000 collection and get offered $50 for it by the store I'd gladly swipe that from under the store's nose, but hyperbole like that aside, I'm content to let people get ripped off. If you can't take the time to learn the going value for used games and can't find a better buyer than EB or Gamestop then you deserve what little you get in return.
 
I went once to gamestop looking to purchase a game when a kid at least age 12 comes in with metal slug 3, rygar, and sudeki and the kid wants to get money for it well the associate tells him that he will only get $22 in store credit but seeing that you look like a good kid I can give you cash; that kid said ok, cool. The associate goes into the stockroom and I guess grabs money from his own and then walks with the kid and gives him the money, not ringing anything up mind you. Then grabs the three games and heads into the back where I guess he put it into his backbag. Shit even the associates do it! Now they are taking business from the store. I felt bad for the kid because he didnt know the value of the games come on $22 for the three games, shit. And the kid left the story smiling because he got $22 in his pocket only if he knew.

This topic was created for simple conversation so people dont take it harsh or start something.
 
[quote name='jmcc']So in summation, for those just joining in, it has yet to be specified what law is broken by offering someone money for their games in the store,
[/quote]

True. I'm not a lawyer, I couldn't find anything directly related.

[quote name='jmcc']but it can get you kicked out of the store and barred from the property, though probably not until after you've poached the sale, so if you're going to do it, make sure you can live without the store and that your intended target game is worth it.[/quote]

Your very use of the word 'poach' implies a knowledge that this action is wrong.

[quote name='jmcc']Also, I'm of the personal philosophy that it's not good or bad, really. You have to accept the consequences, but in the end it's just a matter of business for both you and the store. [/quote]

That's very true.
So go start JMCC Games.com. Then it'll be 'just business.' Until then you are leeching and interfering with a private business transaction.

Let's say I'm getting my home refinanced at WorldBank. I'm going over the paperwork, about to sign for X%. Before I do, Joe from OtherBank comes in and says 'Before you sign, here, I'll offer you X - 1/2%.'

Is that okay? That is the exact same situation as we have here.

[quote name='jmcc'] Both have to do what they have to do; And if I saw someone come into the store with a $10,000 collection and get offered $50 for it by the store I'd gladly swipe that from under the store's nose, [/quote]
So you'd rip them off *just a little less*. How much would you give for that 10k collection? And more importantly, what gives you the right to burst into their private transaction, that, again, is legal and mutual.

[quote name='jmcc']but hyperbole like that aside, I'm content to let people get ripped off. [/quote]

See, to me 'ripped off' is when someone buys a game, gets it home, opens it, and there's no disk in there. That's ripped off. If Seller sells a product for a certain amount that's less than what you would take for it, that's not getting ripped off. That is the individual deciding in the utility and value of his money versus the item. If I had NCAA Basketball 2004, I might let it go for 8 bucks, even though it's on the shelf for 50. Why? Because I don't give a crap about basketball, but I do give a crap about 8 bucks.

[quote name='jmcc']If you can't take the time to learn the going value for used games and can't find a better buyer than EB or Gamestop then you deserve what little you get in return.[/quote]

That I actually agree with, although I might not have phrased it so condescendingly.
 
[quote name='ryosnk']I went once to gamestop looking to purchase a game when a kid at least age 12 comes in with metal slug 3, rygar, and sudeki and the kid wants to get money for it well the associate tells him that he will only get $22 in store credit but seeing that you look like a good kid I can give you cash; that kid said ok, cool. The associate goes into the stockroom and I guess grabs money from his own and then walks with the kid and gives him the money, not ringing anything up mind you. Then grabs the three games and heads into the back where I guess he put it into his backbag. Shit even the associates do it! Now they are taking business from the store. I felt bad for the kid because he didnt know the value of the games come on $22 for the three games, shit. And the kid left the story smiling because he got $22 in his pocket only if he knew.

This topic was created for simple conversation so people dont take it harsh or start something.[/quote]

How much longer was he employed there? I'm pretty sure that would be against many company policies, and again, somewhat immoral [although that doesn't seem to matter much nowadays.]
 
[quote name='dtcarson'][quote name='jmcc']but it can get you kicked out of the store and barred from the property, though probably not until after you've poached the sale, so if you're going to do it, make sure you can live without the store and that your intended target game is worth it.[/quote]

Your very use of the word 'poach' implies a knowledge that this action is wrong.[/quote]

Sure. It's probably morally wrong, but on the scale of wrongness I rank it just slightly above scratching your groin in public.

[quote name='dtcarson'][quote name='jmcc']Also, I'm of the personal philosophy that it's not good or bad, really. You have to accept the consequences, but in the end it's just a matter of business for both you and the store. [/quote]

That's very true.
So go start JMCC Games.com. Then it'll be 'just business.' Until then you are leeching and interfering with a private business transaction.[/quote]

You don't have to run a large public business to make a business transaction. Private sellers and buyers are just as legitimate as EB or Gamestop.

[quote name='dtcarson']Let's say I'm getting my home refinanced at WorldBank. I'm going over the paperwork, about to sign for X%. Before I do, Joe from OtherBank comes in and says 'Before you sign, here, I'll offer you X - 1/2%.'

Is that okay? That is the exact same situation as we have here.[/quote]

Can I ask what your responses would be to the guy offering you the better deal and the bank whose offer is already on the table? I think most people would say "can you match that?" And I don't think it's wrong for the other bank to do. As in the situation with the game store, they'd have to deal with being ejected from the bank and cited for trespassing if they came back, but if they stole the deal it was worth it. Frankly if that was my employee he'd get a bonus for doing such exemplory legwork if that resulted in that customer coming to my bank.

[quote name='dtcarson'][quote name='jmcc'] Both have to do what they have to do; And if I saw someone come into the store with a $10,000 collection and get offered $50 for it by the store I'd gladly swipe that from under the store's nose, [/quote]

So you'd rip them off *just a little less*. How much would you give for that 10k collection? And more importantly, what gives you the right to burst into their private transaction, that, again, is legal and mutual.[/quote]

Yes, I'd get it for as little as possible. Like I said, it's business, I'm going to be as mercenary as possible. It's capitalism. You look out for yourself. If the guy you're buying from doesn't think to do that also it's only his own fault if I buy his collection for under it's value and that's exactly the same rule a chain store will play by.

[quote name='dtcarson'][quote name='jmcc']but hyperbole like that aside, I'm content to let people get ripped off. [/quote]

See, to me 'ripped off' is when someone buys a game, gets it home, opens it, and there's no disk in there. That's ripped off. If Seller sells a product for a certain amount that's less than what you would take for it, that's not getting ripped off. That is the individual deciding in the utility and value of his money versus the item. If I had NCAA Basketball 2004, I might let it go for 8 bucks, even though it's on the shelf for 50. Why? Because I don't give a crap about basketball, but I do give a crap about 8 bucks.[/quote]

Well we'll say they get under average used market value then instead of ripped off.

[quote name='dtcarson'][quote name='jmcc']If you can't take the time to learn the going value for used games and can't find a better buyer than EB or Gamestop then you deserve what little you get in return.[/quote]

That I actually agree with, although I might not have phrased it so condescendingly.[/quote]

I won't say it's not a little sociopathic, but I have little sympathy for lack of planning in a business venture. It never leads to a fully profitable outcome.
 
The issue isn't whether one person should try to profit from a deal as much as he can [without being fraudulent or illegal] or that sometimes people sell stuff for less than they could get following a different path, or that you need a building to sell stuff.

The issue is *where* it's occurring. Not to beat a dead horse, but to come in, interrupting a deal already occuring, possibly agreed to, in someone else's store, is wrong. Not illegal, not anti-capitalism, just wrong. I'm oldfashioned. I still think some things are wrong, and I think too much of myself to do them. And actually you agree, at least with the wrongness:
"It's probably morally wrong".

The rest of your argument is either irrelavant to the specific scenario, or just representative of how much regard you give to morals. And while it might be just above 'scratching your groin in public', I try to avoid that as well.

As I've said before, I'm a capitalist and fully support capitalism--capitalism with morals. It can be done. From the tone of your post, you, however, seem to be a more of a Ken Lay, 'screw'em' capitalist.
I'll bet you're one of those who cleaned out the CC 5 dollar games and stuck them on Ebay or for trade fodder.

The buyer, if he puts a premium on value/credit, should have done his research before offering the tradein to the store. Or, once hearing the trade value, say, Never mind. Or, say 'I don't feel like screwing with ebay for 20 bucks, I'll give them to you for ten.'

Regarding the mortgage--I honestly don't know. If the end result were thousands of dollars I'd probably go with the cheapest deal. But I might also think 'Well, if they're scummy enough to do that, what else might they do, that *won't* benefit me?' I have paid more to conduct business with a company whose methods of doing business I agree with and respect.
 
[quote name='dtcarson']The issue is *where* it's occurring. Not to beat a dead horse, but to come in, interrupting a deal already occuring, possibly agreed to, in someone else's store, is wrong. Not illegal, not anti-capitalism, just wrong. I'm oldfashioned. I still think some things are wrong, and I think too much of myself to do them. And actually you agree, at least with the wrongness:
"It's probably morally wrong".[/quote]

I think perhaps we have different ideas of when the deal occurs. I don't believe that anything has transacted until the money is in the seller's hands or the games are behind the counter (or wherever they put games that get traded in.) Until that point his stuff is fair game.

[quote name='dtcarson']The rest of your argument is either irrelavant to the specific scenario, or just representative of how much regard you give to morals. And while it might be just above 'scratching your groin in public', I try to avoid that as well.[/quote]

If your nose itches do you sit there screwing up your face trying to make it go away or do you scratch it? Groinal itches are the same. A minor faux pas, maybe, but nothing to feel bad about.

[quote name='dtcarson']As I've said before, I'm a capitalist and fully support capitalism--capitalism with morals. It can be done. From the tone of your post, you, however, seem to be a more of a Ken Lay, 'screw'em' capitalist.
I'll bet you're one of those who cleaned out the CC 5 dollar games and stuck them on Ebay or for trade fodder.[/quote]

It would be unwise for either of us to make assumptions about the other, but no, I don't support Ken Lay, as he hurt his employees. Consumers are fair game (assuming you don't have a monopoly,) but you don't cut off your own hands to make a buck. And no, I actually didn't buy anything from the CC sale. I did help a fellow who came from Fatwallet scout his list as I was looking for anything I wanted from the sale, though.

[quote name='dtcarson']The buyer, if he puts a premium on value/credit, should have done his research before offering the tradein to the store. Or, once hearing the trade value, say, Never mind. Or, say 'I don't feel like screwing with ebay for 20 bucks, I'll give them to you for ten.'[/quote]

Wouldn't someone in the store offering them they can get more for the games be a similar situation to doing research, though?

[quote name='dtcarson']Regarding the mortgage--I honestly don't know. If the end result were thousands of dollars I'd probably go with the cheapest deal. But I might also think 'Well, if they're scummy enough to do that, what else might they do, that *won't* benefit me?' I have paid more to conduct business with a company whose methods of doing business I agree with and respect.[/quote]

We regard scummy as two different things too, it seems. I have no problem outdoing a competitor, nor giving someone a better deal than they'd get elsewhere.
 
I think that if you weren't inside the store and saw someone walking up with some games in hand it would be ok but being in the store and doing it is wrong. Plus if it is a public parking lot and you do it outside the store, they can't do shit about it.
 
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