Groupees: [NEW] Build a Greenlight Bundle 33 + Oktoberfest + MiniBundle 7

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Build A Greenlight Bundle 33

Buy it here: https://groupees.com/bagb33

Must spend at least $1/pick 2 games

Gamelist:


Oktoberfest Bundle

Buy it here: https://groupees.com/oktoberfest

For the minimum of $2, you get the following:

Mini Bundle 7

Buy it here: https://groupees.com/mini7

For a minimum of $2, you get the following:


Other Non-Gaming Bundles:


Icon Guide

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= Steam Key
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= Steam Greenlight
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= Desura Key
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= GoG Code (Click To Redeem/Enter Code)

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= GamersGate Serial Key
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= DRM Free Download

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= Steam Trading Cards Available
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= Playable On PC
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= Playable on MAC
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= Playable on Linux

 
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asheskitty said:
Oh, just take solace in the FACT they they're going to die and go to bundle Hell.
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Oh, so am I. I redeemed a couple of those keys. But I knew they were extremely shady and so did anyone else who was redeeming them. It doesn't surprise me that everyone arguing against revoking them has admitted that they didn't take any. The people who did take them realize that they have no argument to stand on.

 
GauRocks said:
I'm pretty sure this is the only good analogy in the entire thread. These keys weren't hidden quite well enough and some people ran in and helped themselves. They weren't freely given, they didn't have a price on them, they were just lying around where people could happen across them. And now we have a bunch of people trying to defend a childish claim of "finders keepers" and using slippery slope fallacies to do it.

Not only are you guys keeping that big bag of money you found on the street in front of your house one day, you're trying to argue that it's yours by right because the person who left it there gave you the impression that it belonged to you.

I still feel like people are confusing this glitch with the bundles they accidentally sold for a dollar, because I can't believe there are so many people bringing up Gamersgate. Groupees is honoring the price glitch. They're revoking the unpaid for Call of Juarez key that showed up for a few hours yesterday in my $1 tier Be Mine X bundle. As far as they're concerned, that key is stolen.
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Not quoting or directly addressing any one person is a bit confusing in a thread like this. I hope you're not addressing me because those are not my expressed sentiments, but I do want to say this:

I don't happen to agree with the analogy, but I don't disagree with the underlying idea. It's not like people raiding a pile of cash dropped from an armored car onto the street -- it's more like a bank error, in which they accidentally deposit cash into your account. They're legally allowed to correct the mistake, of course. The difference is that this is not an orderly bank in which regular transparent deposits are made. Keys are added to accounts all of the time with no notification to the customer.

No one is arguing that Groupees is not within their rights to remove the keys from the account. They're saying that it's a bad business practice and it doesn't address the underlying problem. At worst, it's that "slippery slope" that deteriorates the perception of ownership with digital goods.

Without going to extraordinary lengths, I couldn't tell you whether or not a given game should be in my Groupees account and I'd be willing to bet that most other people couldn't either. And I'm sure most people wouldn't assume a key they find in their account was there in error. Suppose I find and activate that key -- or give it to a friend -- and then I get a notification at some point that the game has been removed from my Steam account. I then have to remember (or apologize to my friend) where I got the key (except that now there's no trace of the key having ever been in the Groupees account) and then what?

It's a total mess for the customer and a sloppy way of doing business. Part of the problem is they have no system in place to know if the key has been redeemed. Amazon has a "reveal" system, Gala and Humble both have automated redeeming. Other sites could simply remove the hidden/unredeemed keys and chalk up the others as a loss attributable to their own neglect. It's just a bad system and a no-win situation.

 
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hal said:
The difference is that this is not an orderly bank in which regular transparent deposits are made. Keys are added to accounts all of the time with no notification to the customer.

Without going to extraordinary lengths, I couldn't tell you whether or not a given game should be in my Groupees account and I'd be willing to bet that most other people couldn't either. And I'm sure most people wouldn't assume a key they find in their account was there in error. Suppose I find and activate that key -- or give it to a friend -- and then I get a notification at some point that the game has been removed from my Steam account. I then have to remember (or apologize to my friend) where I got the key (except that now there's no trace of the key having ever been in the Groupees account) and then what?
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This is the part of your thinking that I disagree with. This glitch was up for a short enough amount of time and was specific enough that most people who got those keys were there specifically looking to exploit the glitch. If the keys had been on people's profiles for weeks, you'd have a point. But this was a couple of hours and only on old bundles where you specifically didn't buy the high tier. They wouldn't even show up in the unused key filter. You had to specifically go back and open old bundles where you didn't buy the full bundle.

There may have been a few people who just regularly checked all their bundles during that time, but the vast majority of the people who got the glitched keys heard about the bug and went to their profiles to check their old bundles on purpose.

 
GauRocks said:
They wouldn't even show up in the unused key filter. You had to specifically go back and open old bundles where you didn't buy the full bundle.
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The unused key filter doesn't work anyway. At least it doesn't for me. Dwarf Tower Steam keys got added today and when I checked off the unused key filter it didn't show, but when I went to that bundle sure enough the key was there. I then purposely didn't check it off as used or account redeem it, went back again to unused filter. Still didn't work.

It's not that those were some special case that wouldn't show, their filter is just broken so you still have to hunt and peck around anyway. At least it is for me. Maybe it doesn't work well when you have a kajillion games from them, I don't know, but I definitely can't seem to get it to work right. It was sort of working at one point for me but definitely is not now.

 
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GauRocks said:
There may have been a few people who just regularly checked all their bundles during that time, but the vast majority of the people who got the glitched keys heard about the bug and went to their profiles to check their old bundles on purpose.
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I wouldn't be surprised to find out that this were true, but without facts it's pure speculation. Besides, the customer that's inconvenienced doesn't care if the glitch affected 10 people or 1,000. It's a problem either way.

We're sort of picking nits at this point and I don't think we're that far apart in what we're saying. I believe we both can agree that Groupees can and should do better.

 
motoki said:
I just want the right for my digital goods to be treated exactly like physical goods. Once it's mine, it's mine.
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As much as I like those thoughts of yours and agree that that is the way it should be...

...when DRM + game-clients get in the way - those types of things would like to say otherwise.

And when we register games on Steam, agreeing to a "SSA" (Steam Subscriber Agreement) - when CEG is forced and/or any 3rd party DRM crap is there, it really does make us feel like subscribers and/or renters of games; not owners.

Also, to those who bought Bundle in a Box 2 - I think there were there DRM-FREE versions in there, right?

I didn't buy the bundle.

If yes - did those DRM-FREE downloads get pulled from gamers' Groupees accounts?

I hope some of y'all DL'ed the DRM-FREE downloads + stored them somewhere, before Groupees decides to pull anything - if they haven't already pulled your access from downloading them...

 
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MysterD said:
As much as I like those thoughts of yours and agree that that is the way it should be...

...when DRM + game-clients get in the way - those types of things would like to say otherwise.

And when he registers games on Steam, agreeing to a "SSA" (Steam Subscriber Agreement) - when CEG is forced and/or any 3rd party DRM crap is there, it really does make us feel like subscribers and/or renters of games; not owners.

Also, to those who bought Bundle in a Box 2 - I think there were there DRM-FREE versions in there, right?

I didn't buy the bundle.

If yes - did those DRM-FREE downloads get pulled from gamers' Groupees accounts?

I hope some of y'all DL'ed the DRM-FREE downloads + stored them somewhere, before Groupees decides to pull anything - if they haven't already pulled them...
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I think someone said DRM-Free download said you've no permission to do that or something?

 
motoki said:
I just want the right for my digital goods to be treated exactly like physical goods.
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The " right for digital goods to be treated exactly like physical goods" will happen when piracy of digital goods actually has some meaningful consequences or people stop pirating. Otherwise you are not buying ownership of the digital good (unlike physical goods), just a license to use it.

It might take some time :whistle2:k

 
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motoki said:
Of course MysterD would be worried about the DRM free downloads being revoked.
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It was a point to bring up - since nobody else brought it up. Like anyone else would bring it up, though... ;)

You guys have already discussed Steam key revoking. I don't think I need to touch that discussion.

This all kinda makes me wish I bought the bundle, now - just to see if access to downloading DRM-FREE keys would still remain.

If you get your DRM-FREE download done before they pull it from your account - you'd still have your game, as long as you stored the file somewhere. They can't control DRM-FREE once you have it, but you can.

That's what sucks about Steam keys laced w/ CEG or any other 3rd-party crap - granted, you have the files and can keep them; but you can't do anything w/ them, if DRM gets in your way. You'd have to re-buy the Steam-version license - if that stuff gets revoked.

Hmmm....I bet Wizardry 8 PC from Steam-version would still work fine, if Steam pulled it from a gamer's Steam account - since you can run that without Steam. ;)

And pretty much, to get it to run - you actually have to....it needs to be copied to C:\Wiz8 to run.

 
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Financial Panther said:
The " right for digital goods to be treated exactly like physical goods" will happen when piracy of digital goods actually has some meaningful consequences or people stop pirating. Otherwise you are not buying ownership of the digital good (unlike physical goods), just a license to use it.

It might take some time :whistle2:k
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You'd fit right in at Ubisoft, that lovable company that says 95%+ of PC gamers are dirty pirates and lets us know we aren't a priority for them and we're basically lucky they throw us any bones at all.

 
MysterD said:
It was a point to bring up - since nobody else brought it up. Like anyone else would bring it up, though... ;)

You guys have already discussed Steam key revoking. I don't think I need to touch that discussion.

This all kinda makes me wish I bought the bundle, now - just to see if access to downloading DRM-FREE keys would still remain.

If you get your DRM-FREE download done before they pull it from your account - you'd still have your game, as long as you stored the file somewhere. They can't control DRM-FREE once you have it, but you can.

That's what sucks about Steam keys laced w/ CEG or any other 3rd-party crap - granted, you have the files and can keep them; but you can't do anything w/ them, if DRM gets in your way. You'd have to re-buy the Steam-version license - if that stuff gets revoked.

Hmmm....I bet Wizardry 8 PC from Steam-version would still work fine, if Steam pulled it from a gamer's Steam account - since you can run that without Steam. ;)

And pretty much, to get it to run - you actually have to....it needs to be copied to C:\Wiz8 to run.
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DRM free downloads are never revoked

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR matey

 
This is the problem w/ CEG, Steam, Origin, Securom and things like it: as long as everything is account-based or has some kind of DRM attached that has some kind of activation/limits/garbage of that sort and that crap doesn't get pulled/removes, corporations + companies have the power to pull your game + turn it into an over-glorified rental, whenever they feel like it for any reason whatsoever. That want us to believe we're buying licenses to play their game + and that they can take their game back whenever they feel like it for any reason.

This is going to be the very harsh reality for us - as long as Gamersgate, Groupees, and others decide to contact Steam to get keys revoked + actually wind-up successful doing so, the consumer is going to be up the creek when glitches happens. I really feel bad for those who aren't aware places like CAG, buying a key to only get it revoked from places like Gamersgater - it must be a real "WTF" to them and they must think "Well, I don't want to buy from them anymore. I want my game that I paid for!"

At least w/ us - we know what we're getting into, if glitches happen; and we decide to take one on. We know if it's a crazy deal price and/or a lot of people try to get in on this glitch - these companies realize they have AShotP-like power and can get take away keys. Just ask Gamersgate about this. ;)

I remember back when Circuit City on week of release printed in their flyer they had Max Payne 1 PC in a retail box for $15, week of release. Went down there - of course, they had NO copies of it; sold-out - Yes, CC was were honoring their flyer ad mistake that was in their own flyer. So, I took the flyer to WalMart and price-matched - and I got my copy! Those were the days!

I think in this era - we're likely going to see less of companies honoring their mistakes in ads, on websites, and stuff like that.

 
MysterD said:
Also, to those who bought Bundle in a Box 2 - I think there were there DRM-FREE versions in there, right?

I didn't buy the bundle.

If yes - did those DRM-FREE downloads get pulled from gamers' Groupees accounts?

I hope some of y'all DL'ed the DRM-FREE downloads + stored them somewhere, before Groupees decides to pull anything - if they haven't already pulled your access from downloading them...
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Those aren't the keys they're revoking and they didn't pull the DRM free versions either. All glitched purchases of Bundle in a Box 2 are being honored. I can access mine right now.

 
Drabelincoln said:
DRM free downloads are never revoked
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Well, they could possibly pull access to you account being able to do download the DRM-FREE files from your account. Remember - if you have an account w/ a company, you could look at it this way: you still signing into your account to grab the files as a kind of DRM - as they still could control what you can be able to re-download from their servers. And you'd still need to access their servers, to re-grab those files to download...if you need to re-download them.

But, yeah - if you did the download of the game before any access to a game got pulled - you still have you files, no matter. what Just don't lose those!

If Groupees ever went out of business - well, hope you got your files stored somewhere; or else your game is gone.

DRM free downloads are never revoked
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR matey
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I'm not condoning the piracy thing. I like my game companies + publishers staying in business + making more games for me to backlog and/or play.

 
MysterD said:
I'm not condoning the piracy thing. I like my game companies + publishers staying in business + making more games for me to backlog and/or play.
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all im saying is...DRM free will always be around. No need to go all chicken little on your precious DRM free crap that is readily available if you know how to use a computer (Hola is hard)

 
motoki said:
You'd fit right in at Ubisoft, that lovable company that says 95%+ of PC gamers are dirty pirates and lets us know we aren't a priority for them and we're basically lucky they throw us any bones at all.
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At least you're not denying that pirating any digital goods (games, movies, music, and etc) is ridiculously easy and that people do so with minimal consequences.

Keep dreaming about that "digital good being treat like a physical good" though, it won't happen unless there is some economic incentive for the companies that make or distribute those digital goods.

 
Groupees is the best. Except for Ea, which is better, which is bettered only by Ea, because I like my access early and not knowing if the game will get finished. Bundles suck. I think everybody here is a cheapskate and if you wait til 75% off you're ruining the hard working developers and the poor people of corporate. Bruticus and Hal are both wrong because I said so. I hope everybody in this thread gets sued by Vladimir Putin. 

Also are any of these games even worth buying from the greenlight bundle or are they all as crappy as they typically are?

 
Remute 4 Bundle

$1 for:

Inherit the Earth: Quest for the Orb (Steam)
4PM (Steam)
3030 Deathwar (Appears on Greenlight but no icon in bundle)
Amygdala (Greenlight)
Biblioteca
Biglands (Steam)
Gunworld (Greenlight)
The Maker's Eden (Steam) ***

Bonuses to come.

*** = cards

 
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inm8num2 said:
Remute 4 Bundle

$1 for:

Inherit the Earth: Quest for the Orb (Steam)
4PM (Steam)
3030 Deathwar (Appears on Greenlight but no icon in bundle)
Amygdala (Greenlight)
Biblioteca
Biglands (Steam)
Gunworld (Greenlight)
The Maker's Eden (Steam) ***

Bonuses to come.

*** = cards
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So have any of these greenlight games been bundled before? It's a hassle to check. greenlightupdates.com says they haven't, but who knows if that's accurate.

I own only Biglands and The Maker's Eden, so this might be worth buying

fuck, I'm turning into slidecage
 
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I just check whether or not I own them on Desura for the Greenlight stuff. I know there's a chance it could have been in some random bundle without Desura keys but Ain't Nobody Got Time For That.

 
motoki said:
I just check whether or not I own them on Desura for the Greenlight stuff. I know there's a chance it could have been in some random bundle without Desura keys but Ain't Nobody Got Time For That.
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I have a database that I always procrastinate on updating so I generally just do a search on isthereanydeal.

 
If you really need jpegs and a PDF that desperately just torrent that shiz.

And I would think that game would be right up your alley being Furry and all.

 
On a more serious note...

I actually paid attention to what's included in this bundle and saw The Maker's Eden, which is something I actually wanted to buy a while back. This also includes this VA compilation, which includes a track by Perturbator, and I'll happily drop a buck for it. I'll just keep ignoring Remute's ... music.

Anyway, second bonus revealed: Hypnospace Enforcer w/OST at $1500 total sales. The game does not have a Greenlight page.

 
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For a dollar it's a pretty sweet bundle. The Maker's Eden looks aight, I had Inherit the Earth on wishlist and Gunworld looks like my type of game. Some of the other ones look decent too. Forget the music though....I can do without that at least haha.

 
Not sure why everyone's excited about Maker's Eden.  It's only the first episode of three, with the development of episode two going "at a snail's pace" according to the dev himself...plus, I already had it, and I'm not even the most prolific bundle buyer.  Maybe it was in some IG Monday you guys missed.

 
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