guy rips off 400+ people on big money items, watch them try to get revenge.

Whoa, I saw on one of those links talk about a class action lawsuit against ebay because they are only offering the victims partial refunds now. This is crazy.
 
[quote name='Shion']Ebay is getting too big for anybody's good.[/QUOTE]

Yes, their hands-off policy is really starting to create some problems.
 
what pisses me off is that the 108th guy actually bought soemthing after this guy's 107 negative feedback.. smh

lmao "alisher" thats my cousin's name.. prolly isnt him though.. nah it cant be him, he's 4 lol
 
I got ripped off $400 about two years ago. All i got was a sorry fromEbay and Paypal. They dont care about anybody. Ebay should be gov't regulated, maybe that will serve them right.
 
[quote name='TrU3pLaYa786']what pisses me off is that the 108th guy actually bought soemthing after this guy's 107 negative feedback.. smh

lmao "alisher" thats my cousin's name.. prolly isnt him though.. nah it cant be him, he's 4 lol[/QUOTE]


Hello Mr. Obvious please check the sell dates, he scammed 306 auctions in less than a week if you look at auction closing dates from his sales in the last 30 days. Some of them are gone now there was 400+ this morning including his Dec 2nd sales.

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...serid=alisher71

Everyone started leaving feedback at the same time when they hadn't got their stuff and saw all the other bad feedbacks.

Probably him and his ugly woman on their boat ride to America were dreaming up ways to scam us.


LOL I saw this on that blog site in the 1st post.
http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/rnr/120247902.html
 
[quote name='slidecage']wonder if anyone checked on the dude... maybe they are lying in the middle of thier house dead for the past month[/QUOTE]

According to one of the articles linked on a site linked on a site from the OP the police are actively looking for them and neighbors report a U-Haul parked at the residence around the time the shit really hit the fan. So I don't think they are lying in their house dead. (Though I'm sure some of the scamees would like to see them that way...)
 
[quote name='Shion']Ebay is getting too big for anybody's good.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but I hate the layout of craigslist. If only some other site could come out to give ebay some real competition.
 
[quote name='camoor']Yeah but I hate the layout of craigslist. If only some other site could come out to give ebay some real competition.[/QUOTE]

Yahoo Auctions?





:lol: Yeah, I know.
 
What's wrong with Yahoo Auctions?


[quote name='ShinGrave']Just so it can be known- Ebay doesnt protect the buyer or the seller in any auction. Sad but true[/QUOTE] Ebay is just a VENUE - like the newspaper. Do you hold the Baltimore Sun responsible if a scammer advertises a car, collects thousands, and then runs? NO. Neither should you blame Ebay. Ebay is like (okay, similar to) the Balimtore Sun..... just a place to list "stuff for sale".


If you want protection, then you should be using Paypal. And funding it with a credit card.

trpy
 
[quote name='electrictroy']What's wrong with Yahoo Auctions?


Ebay is just a VENUE - like the newspaper. Do you hold the Baltimore Sun responsible if a scammer advertises a car, collects thousands, and then runs? NO. Neither should you blame Ebay. Ebay is like (okay, similar to) the Balimtore Sun..... just a place to list "stuff for sale".


If you want protection, then you should be using Paypal. And funding it with a credit card.

trpy[/QUOTE]
Yes, but Ebay claims to be more than that, they claim to protect buyer and seller, and they settle disputes. If they were simply a venue, completely hands off, like a Craigslist, I could see your point. But these claims and actions make them liable. Then theres Paypal, which is a financial institution, gives them all kinds of added responsibility and liability.

In a previous instance like this, ebay was guaranteeing $1000 in 'protection', $200 from ebay, and $800 from SquareTrade. What they didn't tell you, is that the $800 was their total liability. Everyone with a claim against the same person would have to share that $800. That is extremely deceptive.

Ebay has never claimed to be just a venue. They purport themselves to be more, that ebay is 'safe' and 'guaranteed'. Until something like this happens.
 
Good point. If Ebay wants to be "just a venue" then they shouldn't be claiming to offer protection. They should say, "at your own risk".

What's wrong with yahoo auctions?
 
if those people ever get their money back they should put it all into a fund and use it to hire a large man to fuck that guy in the ass every day for the rest of his life.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Yes, their hands-off policy is really starting to create some problems.[/QUOTE]
If anything, it's the greatest incentive for people such as this seller to scam people out of tens of thousands of dollars. The power seller knew what the fuck they were doing; I'm happy that they were identified so easily, though. I don't think anything will come of this seller, truly; however, a few more like him and something will have to happen, either through eBay itself or through legislative coercion, to protect the seller in these instances. Hell, it may be possible that a few more sellers like this will turn off people en masse from eBay. It's certainly possible.
 
they sure knew what were hot items that would get a nice penny. I thought this one was funny.

Buyer 4902annette ( 115) Dec-18-05 09:05 5835999110

253.49! YOU CAN FILE WITH WWW.IFCCFBI.COM I DID! ! !! CONTACT ME IF YOU WANT!

Follow-up by 4902annette: ,HE STOLE OUR $$,DONT LET HIM STEAL YOUR CHRISTMAS DONT GIVE THE POWER TO HIM!! Dec-19-05 13:59

You would think the would of also added "Christ Compells You!" Anyone else think that if you saw them in real life the would say "Thank You, Come Again" and run leaving only a cloud of dust? They had to of gotten at least 30 grand. Maybe they are terriosts?


p.s. this post is meant in a pissed off sarcasm way, so please don't take it the wrong way.
 
[quote name='electrictroy']Good point. If Ebay wants to be "just a venue" then they shouldn't be claiming to offer protection. They should say, "at your own risk".

What's wrong with yahoo auctions?[/QUOTE]
Yahoo auctions just isn't popular... Sellers don't use it because not as many buyers use it, they can usually get more on Ebay. And buyers don't use it because there aren't as many items, they can find more stuff on Ebay, and what little they have, is more expensive because theres less of it, and sellers will use reserve prices and minimum bids to protect themselves from the risk. Nobody can take on Ebay right now.

By the way, Elite is a pre-85 game. Its one of my favorite games of all time.
 
[quote name='camoor']Yeah but I hate the layout of craigslist. If only some other site could come out to give ebay some real competition.[/QUOTE]

eBay is a part owner of Craig's List. They basically buy at least a partial share in anything that looks like it might gain steam and become a competitor before it gets that large. Only way something will truly compete is if a large company (that won't want to sell out to eBay) starts something that actually gets the users or if eBay really screws up somehow and drives people away.

And as dafoomie said Yahoo Auctions just doesn't have the user base to make it a real alternative. Go there and do a search for Xbox and compare it to the number of results on eBay. (1K on Yahoo Auctions, vs. over 30K on eBay currently...) And besides would Yahoo Auctions do anything more than eBay to 'protect' buyers?

One strategy a start-up could use would be to offer free listings for things started at a penny (w/ no reserve) coupled with greatly reduced FVFs for those same items. This would encourage sellers to really do true auctions and maybe buyers would notice. (However I don't see myself being a seller guinea pig, even with that incentive...)
 
I could do this.

Of course, I would have to:

1. Sell my house to a family member honest enough to let my wife and kids remaining living there.

2. Abandon said wife and kids.

3. Hide from the public for about 50 years.

4. Fake my own death in such a way that they couldn't collect DNA (common alleles with kids, remember) or fingerprints (FBI and military has them on file), but have proof it is me (dental records).

While 1, 2 and 3 are plausible, where am I going to find a male with 28 teeth (no wisdom teeth) in Kentucky?

Thanks. You've been a great crowd. Don't forget to tip your waitress.

Seriously, when you start your auction with:

"No PayPal and any type of online payment auction"

or it states in your auction: "Why we don’t want to take PayPal payments!"

Don't sirens go off in your head?

I think they should create a reality TV show starring the buyers of alisher71's auctions.

Episode 1: "Did I leave my car keys under that agitated rattlesnake I just urinated on?"

Episode 2: "Wallet inspector? Sure, here you go. I'm sure you'll find the deed to my house and my car title in order as well."

Episode 3: "I can't wait to buy the limited edition of Madden 2007 for the PS1."

The show would be a hit except that there are only about 100 people involved and most of them will die running across a street with high traffic.

Why were they running? Because the street sign said "Don't walk."
 
I am always leerie on Yahoo Auctions, their feedback system is horrid. Plus everything on there seems more expensive than Ebay. Also Ebay has more international sellers (if you collect toys or dvds this comes in handy) than the others. The main reason i don't think Ebay will dissappear is that it was the first big one, people gravitate towards a name than try someone new without the history. There is alot of bad deals, but you have to admit that Ebay in the longer run works. Hell I wish someone wouldn't take such a big cut out of everything you have to do just list a damm item.
 
well maybe the ebay id got stolen, even with all the negatives they had 82.5% positive rating. Either way don't you have to file a complaint, not just a negative in the feedback system. I don't think ebay delves into the feedbacks.
 
[quote name='wubb']if eBay really screws up somehow and drives people away.
[/QUOTE]

eBay thought about raising FVFs to 8% last year.

People got so pissed on a collective level that eBay had to post the rate increases were only affecting store owners.

Of course, I'm sure eBay would have accidentally extended the rates to all users if nobody had said anything.

I can understand increasing flat fees to keep up with inflation, but raising a flat percent off the gross is just greed.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']

I could do this.

Of course, I would have to:

1. Sell my house to a family member honest enough to let my wife and kids remaining living there.

2. Abandon said wife and kids.

3. Hide from the public for about 50 years.

4. Fake my own death in such a way that they couldn't collect DNA (common alleles with kids, remember) or fingerprints (FBI and military has them on file), but have proof it is me (dental records).

While 1, 2 and 3 are plausible, where am I going to find a male with 28 teeth (no wisdom teeth) in Kentucky?

Thanks. You've been a great crowd. Don't forget to tip your waitress.

Seriously, when you start your auction with:

"No PayPal and any type of online payment auction"

or it states in your auction: "Why we don’t want to take PayPal payments!"

Don't sirens go off in your head?

I think they should create a reality TV show starring the buyers of alisher71's auctions.

Episode 1: "Did I leave my car keys under that agitated rattlesnake I just urinated on?"

Episode 2: "Wallet inspector? Sure, here you go. I'm sure you'll find the deed to my house and my car title in order as well."

Episode 3: "I can't wait to buy the limited edition of Madden 2007 for the PS1."

The show would be a hit except that there are only about 100 people involved and most of them will die running across a street with high traffic.

Why were they running? Because the street sign said "Don't walk."[/QUOTE]


:lol:
 
You only have to hide for 7 years. After that, the stature of limitations nullifies the crime.


[quote name='dafoomie']By the way, Elite is a pre-85 game. Its one of my favorite games of all time.[/QUOTE] My Commodore=64 version of the game said 1985 & that's what I was going by. (shrug) Also, the dates listed are not meant to be 100% accurate... just a quick breakdown into different eras.

Amazon has Zshops. Is that a good place to sell?
 
[quote name='electrictroy']What's wrong with Yahoo Auctions?


Ebay is just a VENUE - like the newspaper. Do you hold the Baltimore Sun responsible if a scammer advertises a car, collects thousands, and then runs? NO. Neither should you blame Ebay. Ebay is like (okay, similar to) the Balimtore Sun..... just a place to list "stuff for sale".


If you want protection, then you should be using Paypal. And funding it with a credit card.

trpy[/QUOTE]

Usually when you buy something on the paper its local, you dont just send your money. If you get scammed through the paper you are an idiot. When you are sending your money to someone 5 states away there is no way of knowing what the seller is going to do.

Paypal gives no protection at all. I got scammed out of $400 through Paypal, they didnt do anything for me, i didnt get one red cent back. I lost my money. the damn seller accepted Paypal, and he had 33 positives and no negatives. It is a load of crap when they say that you are covered up to $1000.
 
[quote name='anubis20']Paypal gives no protection at all. I got scammed out of $400 through Paypal, they didnt do anything for me, i didnt get one red cent back. I lost my money. the damn seller accepted Paypal, and he had 33 positives and no negatives. It is a load of crap when they say that you are covered up to $1000.[/QUOTE]Don't sellers have to have a certain number of feedback before you get Paypal protection? That's probably why you got shafted.

Edited to add: Here are the specific eligibility requirements... [quote name='Paypal']Seller Qualification Requirements. A seller's eBay listings are eligible to qualify for PayPal Buyer Protection coverage if the following conditions are met:

1. The seller's eBay feedback rating is at least 50;

2. At least 98% of the seller's eBay feedback is positive. The percentage calculation for this purpose includes feedback from repeat users, and therefore may be higher than the unique positive feedback percentage displayed on eBay;

3. The seller is a member of PayPal in one of the following countries:
* Austria
* Australia
* Belgium
* Canada
* France
* Germany
* Hong Kong
* India
* Ireland
* Italy
* Japan
* Korea
* Netherlands
* Singapore
* Spain
* Switzerland
* Taiwan
* United Kingdom
* United States


4. The seller has a Verified Premier or Business PayPal account;

5. The seller's PayPal account is in good standing.
[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='judyjudyjudy']Don't sellers have to have a certain number of feedback before you get Paypal protection? That's probably why you got shafted.

Edited to add: Here are the specific eligibility requirements...[/QUOTE]


Some of the rules are ridiculous. How is a buyer supposed to know if the sellers paypal is in good standing or even if the have a premiere or business account?
 
[quote name='greendj27']Some of the rules are ridiculous. How is a buyer supposed to know if the sellers paypal is in good standing or even if the have a premiere or business account?[/QUOTE]
I think by "good standing", they mean not suspended. So if it wasn't in good standing, you probably couldn't send money to it. Also, I think a buyer protection icon shows underneath the seller box if the auction should be eligible, so I think it does some sort of check of the requirements before it shows up (it probably doesn't check the contents of the actual auction). I know it doesn't show for my auctions since I don't have a premiere account.
 
[quote name='greendj27']Some of the rules are ridiculous. How is a buyer supposed to know if the sellers paypal is in good standing or even if the have a premiere or business account?[/QUOTE]

Send .01 via credit card.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Send .01 via credit card.[/QUOTE]

To be honest, I don't buy anything expensive on eBay anyway because it seems too risky. I was just curious about how to tell, and I guess that would be a way.

Judy, I looked at my ebay and a friends who also should have their products eligible for buyer protection and did not see any logos. Maybe something pops up when bidding, but now I'm curious.
 
Not trying to be an ass, I'm just blunt.

These people should be hiring a PI, or should have long ago. He could easily be out of the country, and with that much money you can live like a king in a lot of foreign countries. Good luck to them, because they're sure as hell going to need it.
 
[quote name='greendj27']Judy, I looked at my ebay and a friends who also should have their products eligible for buyer protection and did not see any logos. Maybe something pops up when bidding, but now I'm curious.[/QUOTE]I know sometimes the logo shows up when the auctions don't qualify for it, so I guess to cover their bases, they have a link to the list to the eligibility list (which adds more restrictions). Here's the page:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/paypal-protection.html?ssPageName:BPM:PPPBP

For example, it lists that protection only applies to tangible items, but I see the protection icon often there for folks selling e-information or e-certificates.
 
[quote name='judyjudyjudy']I know sometimes the logo shows up when the auctions don't qualify for it, so I guess to cover their bases, they have a link to the list to the eligibility list (which adds more restrictions). Here's the page:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/paypal-protection.html?ssPageName:BPM:PPPBP

For example, it lists that protection only applies to tangible items, but I see the protection icon often there for folks selling e-information or e-certificates.[/QUOTE]

Weird, because I currently have on item listed that is a tangible item (a scissors), my percent is 100%, and I have way more than 50 feedback. My friend does as well, and he has a few hundred items listed right now. I wonder if there is a minimum or if it doesn't apply to BIN's?

Anyway, sorry to get off topic. I've never had to use the buyer protection, but thought it was more inclusive than it really is, I guess.

Edit: Oops nevermind. I found it in my auction now. I thought it was in the item description somewhere but its actually right beneath my ebay id and feedback rating.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Not trying to be an ass, I'm just blunt.

These people should be hiring a PI, or should have long ago. He could easily be out of the country, and with that much money you can live like a king in a lot of foreign countries. Good luck to them, because they're sure as hell going to need it.[/QUOTE]


Like the one he came from, which is probably where he is now....


To the guy who got scammed for $400 and paid with Paypal, how did you not get your money back?

I'm VERY weary of Ebay and Paypal as a seller now because about a month ago I bought a Lynx system with several extras from someone who claimed the item was in perfect working order. When I received it, it didn't work and they refused to refund my money. I filed a claim with Paypal and they instructed me to send the item back to the seller. The person had already been hostile and refused to work with me saying no refunds so I assumed i'd be out the money anyway so I really didn't wanna be out the nonworking stuff and the cash plus return shipping. So I stuffed a bubble mailer with a couple small pieces of cardboard to get it over 3/4" thick and mailed it with delivery confirmation to the seller with a noted saying please refund my money and make this right. I gave that tracking number to Paypal and guess what, about 2 weeks later they gave me my money back! I went ahead and shipped the Lynx and stuff back to the seller with a nice note saying they had better remember this the next time they try to rip someone off!

I got a good chuckle out of it all untill it dawned on me that Paypal didn't really even look into it. What I received was a couple pound box and what I returned the first time and gave them the trackin number for was just an ounce or two lil bubble mailer! This is a VERY bad thing for sellers! Maybe they took my Paypal status into account with my claim since i've been on the same account for years without incident and have a good rating there as well as on Ebay while the seller had low (new) ratings on both sites but either way this is a dangerous thing. That seller got lucky that I returned it, some truely "shady" person could've just basically stole the stuff.
 
[quote name='$hady']I got a good chuckle out of it all untill it dawned on me that Paypal didn't really even look into it. What I received was a couple pound box and what I returned the first time and gave them the trackin number for was just an ounce or two lil bubble mailer! [/QUOTE]

Or think on this, you used DC to prove return delivery to the seller right? What does DC show? Delivery to a zip code, not to a specific address. This is how I was scammed by a fraudulent buyer.

You're semi-lucky that seller didn't file mail fraud charges on you the day he got that empty bubble mailer in his mailbox, BTW. I'm fairly surprised he didn't. I really wouldn't advise anyone else to go that route. Federal mail fraud is rarely a good idea.
 
[quote name='wubb']Or think on this, you used DC to prove return delivery to the seller right? What does DC show? Delivery to a zip code, not to a specific address. This is how I was scammed by a fraudulent buyer.

You're semi-lucky that seller didn't file mail fraud charges on you the day he got that empty bubble mailer in his mailbox, BTW. I'm fairly surprised he didn't. I really wouldn't advise anyone else to go that route. Federal mail fraud is rarely a good idea.[/QUOTE]

Did you read the rest of it? I sent the stuff back as soon as I got the refund. I still know that the first part was fraud but I assumed I was gonna get ripped off anyway so...

In any case this has me very cautious of Ebay. You had someone just send something to somewhere in your zip code and claim they returned it to you? That sucks!:bomb:
 
[quote name='TimPV3']I wanted to do this 2 years ago but the whole immoral and illegal thing persuaded me against it.[/QUOTE]

LOL :hot:


Nice car what kinda system you got in that? Ah you edited it, SURE your not a redneck!
 
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