"Halo 3 is the star wars of the video game generation".... ugh don't get me started

could slain please refrain from cliched arguements and explain his point? If you're so sure that PC FPSs did things better, explain exactly what and how it was better. Thanks.
 
[quote name='jer7583']Halo wins.

The best part is this time next week I'll be happy as a clam with my new copy of halo 3 and the haters will just be brooding. It's too bad you can't enjoy it.[/quote]

Haterz be broodin cuz dey cant understand halo thar 3 and its complexity.

Man I hope I dont brood too much. Don't want my brood pressure to go up. I sure could go for a broodwich right now.
 
[quote name='crazytalkx']Halo, sorry. And I think you could've understood me with or without the 3. Ass :lol:[/quote]

Actually, adding a number to the end of it makes a huge difference. They are entirely different games. How am I supposed to automatically understand you? Are you 12 years old or something?

And if you're going to say ass, put this smiley near it: :booty:
 
[quote name='Shmitty']the part about it being the first console FPS to "nail" the controls made me cringe. that had already happened in the previous generation with goldeneye.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but Goldeneye doesn't count because video games were for geeks and losers only back then.
 
Goldeneye works pretty well even today, if you put the movement controls to the yellow c-buttons and the look/turn controls to the analog stick. It's backwards of what we use today, but it controls pretty well. That's how I always liked to play. The two controllers setup is pretty fun too.
 
This is a totally unfair comparison. Halo is not/was not/will not be anywhere near as influential or meaningful to gaming as Star Wars was/is to movies.


[quote name='cochesecochese']This is bullshit[/quote]
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[quote name='Ikohn4ever']people need to get off the Halo 3 teet, the shit isnt even out yet, and its the greatest thing since sliced bread.[/quote]
 
[quote name='SL4IN']-From canada. com-[/QUOTE]
Wait, what?

Anyways, whether you love it or hate it, you cannot debate that it's a cultural icon. I've heard three of my girl friends in the past month bitch about their boyfriends already telling them they won't be hanging out when Halo 3 releases. It's mainstream, no doubt about it.
 
[quote name='NamelessMC']
Let's see what Star Wars did:
*Revolutionary graphics, stuff not seen before. Sorry, but Halo 3 doesn't even come close to this. People are already saying the graphics are on "par" with Gears of War and Crysis blows it out of the water, and I don't even like Crysis. FPS - Done before. Graphics - Just look better than Halo 1/2, nothing revolutionary.
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The first Halo was the first really good looking console FPS on consoles with huge wide open environments and really good, unpredictable AI.

*Legendary story line. I'm sorry but if you think Halo's storyline is any deeper than a marine guy killing aliens, you either have no respect for Doom and iD software or you need to start picking up some books. Curious George has more depth than this.
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Yes, saving the princess from the evil empire is so legendary, and hasn't been done before. Sorry, but I don't think many people would consider Star Wars to have a legendary story line. Star Wars has great pacing and really immerses you in it's world, which Halo does. Both series are filled with clinches.

*Huge following. People that didn't like movies got into movies for Star Wars. The closest you'll see to Halo 3 accomplishing this is people that don't like 360's buying 360's for Halo 3. The Wii is developing more outside interest in videogames than Halo 3. You don't see people on Craiglist selling their TV to buy Halo 3 for their family. You don't see women going on gameshows and dying from drinking too much water, trying to get Halo 3 for her kids.
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Halo 2 sold millions upon millions of copies world wide, and is still one of the most played games on Xbox Live. More then 5 million unique users have played it for millions, if not billions of man hours. If that's not a huge following I don't know what is. I'm sure Halo 3 will be even bigger.

*Afterlife. I wasn't even born, hell most of you weren't even born when Star Wars debuted. Halo 3 isn't even out yet, and people are attempting to compare the two? No way, not a chance in hell. If I have a kid born 3 years from now, I doubt he'll even care about Halo 3 when he's older. 30 years from now you're not going to see people making videos on Youtube or whatever video website is out, using special effects from Halo 3 as part of the humor. (Star Wars Kid)
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And how exactly do you know what Halo's after life will be like? We're seeing books, toys, a Warhammer like game, weapon replicas and multiple videogame spin offs. That kind of reminds me of Star Wars.
I doubt Halo will be going away anytime soon.
 
I would disagree, the only thing relating the two is that both are very popular in their respective mediums.

Just a few of the many items that separate each:

1) The special effects for Star Wars were stunning for their time, Halo has good graphics, but nothing as groundbreaking as Star Wars was at the time. When Halo 3 comes out, it's not a stretch to say it won't be the graphics king, and it will be nothing compared to upcoming games like Crysis.

2) The cast of characters is comparitively small, this goes into the bigger issue of the story depth, but let's just stick with characters for now. This is the one that I think will hurt the future branding of Halo. Halo is really all about Master Chief, there are other characters, some big like the Arbiter and Kortana, but nothing compared to the star Wars universe. Luke was the supposedly the main character, but Han Solo, Leia, Yoda, Darth Vader, The Emperor, Boba Fett, there were so many other interesting charactes with lots of depth. The lack of depth in the Halo characters really will hurt the long lasting appeal of the series.

Would somebody buy a Kortana doll? Not many, but many more would buy a Chewbaca, a Jabba the Hut, an ewok, or any of the other more minor characters from Star Wars, not counting the main characters.

There are lots of other major differences that I think will limit the lasting Halo appeal, but I don't have time to type them all now. I do enjoy the Halo games, I'm not saying they're bad, just trying to keep things in perspective.
 
[quote name='daroga']Wow, no. Goldeneye's were passable but you really need a dual-analog setup to have a smooth-flowing FPS on a console.

They "nailed" it in that for people who didn't know any better it worked just fine. But Goldeneye's controls were a far cry from dual analog, which in itself is a far cry from KB&M.[/quote]

you never played with the alternate control setups, then, since the two controller dealy was essentially two analog sticks.
 
[quote name='jer7583']Halo wins. Star wars had two good movies and then became crap.

Dallow's right about the warthog, by the way. I have never enjoyed driving a vehicle more in any game. Especially in co-op/multi. And yes, Halo's story is more than humans vs aliens, but those who hate on it likely made up their mind that it must be mass market crap, and therefore far too crappy for them to enjoy before playing it, not giving it half a chance.

The best part is this time next week I'll be happy as a clam with my new copy of halo 3 and the haters will just be brooding. It's too bad you can't enjoy it.[/QUOTE]
Brooding? Please. I'll be too busy playing Eternal Sonata, Warriors Orochi, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, .hack//GU vol. 3, Wild Arms 5, Rune Factory, Dynasty Warriors Gundam, Kengo, and any of the other countless games I've purchased in the past few weeks. Plenty for us "haters" to play other than a generic FPS.

Also I've seen a couple people mention this deep story. I'm honestly not trying to be jerk, but what is so deep about it? I played through both games and didn't see anything I would call deep. Did the depth come in before or after the talking plant?
 
[quote name='Rozz']Actually, adding a number to the end of it makes a huge difference. They are entirely different games. How am I supposed to automatically understand you? Are you 12 years old or something?

And if you're going to say ass, put this smiley near it: :booty:[/QUOTE]

The franchise in general, I really don't think the innovation factor will change.
 
Um, NO.

Halo is not the Star Wars of video gaming. Why? Because there are a ton more FPS games on the PC that are far superior.
 
[quote name='daroga']He can if he preorders and then stands in line to get it.

Don't eat it before you're allowed though. That's a no-no![/QUOTE]

Naw man, I'm buying that shit separately. fuck pre-ordering. I can't go out and buy that shit now though coz the grocery store is closed and I ain't got my wundabred. Or peanut butter. Now how the fuckin' hell am I gonna eat?

Shoulda preordered.
 
[quote name='daphatty']Um, NO.

Halo is not the Star Wars of video gaming. Why? Because there are a ton more FPS games on the PC that are far superior.[/QUOTE]
Name them please.
 
[quote name='zewone']Name them please.[/QUOTE]

Counter-Strike, one of, if not THE best FPS ever made. Obviously outdated graphics, but I still play it to this day 6+ years after it came out.

Half-Life 2.

I like Halo don't get me wrong, and I love what it's done for Xbox and Microsoft, but it's not the best FPS ever made. Sorry.
 
[quote name='zewone']Name them please.[/quote]

Bioshock.

As far as storytelling and graphics go, this game leaves Halo in the dust.
 
Half Life and Counter Strike are the only ones that I feel are evenly matched in single and multi. And Half Life doesn't have quite the same feel of how encounters are different everytime you play, and different depending on how you approach them. Half Life 2 comes close, but I don't remember nearly as much crazy, unexpected shit happening as in the halo games. Counter Strike also doesn't have quite as much variety as halo. Also no vehicles.

And bioshock is awesome, and better single player than halo, but it's also got the hybrid elements from other genres. And it's on xbox, so it doesn't really count as "PC FPS that beats halo" per se. Anyway, what kinda reason is it to hate something because you can think of two or three things better than it?
 
[quote name='zewone']I was waiting for a list of "a ton more PC" games.

Not just games, you feel are better.[/QUOTE]

Quake 1, 2, 3, (and soon Quake Wars)
Unreal Tournament (essentially all of them)
Half Life
Counter-Strike
Serious Sam (Oh yes, I went there)


....

And some more that currently elude me. Too busy eating a ham sandwich to think really hard.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Brooding? Please. I'll be too busy playing Eternal Sonata, Warriors Orochi, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, .hack//GU vol. 3, Wild Arms 5, Rune Factory, Dynasty Warriors Gundam, Kengo, and any of the other countless games I've purchased in the past few weeks. Plenty for us "haters" to play other than a generic FPS.

Also I've seen a couple people mention this deep story. I'm honestly not trying to be jerk, but what is so deep about it? I played through both games and didn't see anything I would call deep. Did the depth come in before or after the talking plant?[/QUOTE]

Does the fun in Dynasty Warriors come before or after you break the X button from repeated use? Also which of the vague gendered, pedo baiting characters in most JRPGs is your favorite? Those games never reuse ideas or cliches.....

Over generalizations are so easy!
 
[quote name='jer7583']Anyway, what kinda reason is it to hate something because you can think of two or three things better than it?[/QUOTE]

I almost think some people hate the thought of Halo being so highly regarded more-so than the game itself.

Sure, it could be over-rated, over-hyped, and has almost as many fanboys as Sony does, but the game itself is pretty damn solid, if not as revolutionary or legendary as some make it out to be.

Is it the greatest FPS ever? That's strictly personal preference.

Is it revolutionary? If you're strictly referring to console shooters, then in quite a few ways it is. If you take into consideration PC shooters, than not as much, if at all.

Did Halo help Microsoft get a foothold in the market and help push video games even more into the mainstream? Absolutely, how much of an impact is the debate.

Is it the Star Wars of gaming? Probably not. If any franchise is it'd be Mario in my opinion.

Anyhow, Halo the game does a lot more right than it does wrong. Halo's place in the history of gaming (and entertainment) is still to be determined. That is unless you're a fanboy or one of those who hates on things just for the sake of hating or pissing the fanboys off.
 
Now you know how some felt about Star Wars upon its release.

This is why its the Star Wars of games. There have been and will be better, but it still isn't bad, it has mass market appeal, and its extremely successful commercially. People into gaming know of better fps's, film buffs know of better scifi films, Joe Blow doesn't.
 
I think this topic is devolving fast with the posts about whether or not other FPS's are better than Halo. It's not just about being the best FPS that would make Halo the Star Wars equivalent, it's about the far-reaching impact the series has or is capable of for a mainstream audience. I think the comparisons are really superficial and merely based on the science fiction epic story, trilogy and popularity similarities.

From the original article, "Just as Star Wars legitimized Sci-fi to the casual movie fan, Halo made blasting aliens cool to the mainstream audience." I would disagree with this. Has Halo really expanded the market? Is it the mainstream audience that is buying Halo, or the usual core gamers? I think Halo sells big to people who already play video games, but I don't think it is reaching out to nongamers, the way that Star Wars legitimized Science Fiction to the mainstream audience.

I'm not sure what direction the article is trying to go, is it saying that the mainstream gamer needed blasting aliens legitimized, or is it saying Halo reaches out to the mainstream, nongamer? I would say it does neither. Halo isn't the game that reaches out to the mainstream audience. It sells big, but if you want to look at whats expanding the market to the mainstream audience (this is where everyone will hate me) look at the Wii.

Somebody brought up Harry Potter, which as much as I dislike it, is a much better example of a Star Wars than Halo. Harry Potter brought science fiction fantasy books to the masses much the same way Star Wars did for science fiction movies.
 
almost any topic on how good or bad halo is dissolves to mush. aka clayface:

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[quote name='daphatty']Quake 1, 2, 3, (and soon Quake Wars)
Unreal Tournament (essentially all of them)
Half Life
Counter-Strike
Serious Sam (Oh yes, I went there)


....

And some more that currently elude me. Too busy eating a ham sandwich to think really hard.[/QUOTE]
So... a bunch of shit games I don't care about.

k.
 
Counter-Strike better than Halo? What? I guess if you enjoy playing people that hack the game so they can shoot through 40 walls, sure. I feel like I'm in bizzaro world.

The best part about this thread? Everyone is arguing that their subjective opinion is objective fact, including the original article.
 
First off, I think a few things really should be noted here.

I think everyone is taking the Star Wars refernce a touch literally here. In context, it is really being used to compare across the various media platforms. If you need to quickly explain the Halo appeal to someone that has no clue about it, saying it's similar to Star Wars is fair. Some love it, some are fanatics, and some just don't see the point.

Taken that in context, I think there is some related areas. Especially with Halo 3, it has gotten lots of cross promotion. How many video games get cups at 7/11? Yet, Halo 3 did (and so did Star Wars). How many games get coverage in major newspapers. A few, but Halo 3 is one of them. Halo has a book series explaining the plot, star wars has books explaining things outside of their main area also.

Taken that and the sci-fi theme, and it's similar.

Also, whether Halo 3 is the best FPS is irrelevant. You can argue whether Star Wars was the best SciFi movie, it just made tons of money. Same thing here, Halo 3 will likely lead all games in sales this year (or pretty close). Whether it's the best is irrelevant, whether it's innovative is irrelevant, it'll sell, and money gets everyone's attention.

Now, hopefully the game is good enough to deserve most of this attention.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']The cultural thing of this generatin? It ain't Halo.

It's Harry Potter[/quote]

QFT... People will be talking about HP 20 years from now. Not sure that anyone would remember Halo or any other videogame.
 
[quote name='MadFlava']Not sure that anyone would remember Halo or any other videogame.[/quote]

People seem to know Mario as the face of video games. Can't really say I blame them since he saved the video game industry.
 
[quote name='zewone']So... a bunch of shit games I don't care about.

k.[/quote]Thanks for legitimizing your opinion.

Halo has more in common with FF7 than any movie franchises. FF7 is a good but overrated game due to a generation of gamers starting off with it, which seems similar to Halo. The backlash is due to the obnoxiously excessive hyping.
 
[quote name='jer7583']Does the fun in Dynasty Warriors come before or after you break the X button from repeated use? Also which of the vague gendered, pedo baiting characters in most JRPGs is your favorite? Those games never reuse ideas or cliches.....

Over generalizations are so easy![/QUOTE]
That's nice and all. The difference is I'm not claiming the Warriors games are the Star Wars of video games, nor am I claiming Eternal Sonata or Wild Arms 5 has a deep plot. I merely used those games to show that despite your comment about people that don't like Halo brooding over not liking it we have plenty of other games to enjoy.

Still waiting for an example of that deep story I keep hearing about.
 
[quote name='botticus']Thanks for legitimizing your opinion.[/QUOTE]
I don't feel the need if people aren't going to legitimize their opinion of why they hate Halo so much.

Come on now, Serious Sam?
 
[quote name='msdmoney']I think this topic is devolving fast with the posts about whether or not other FPS's are better than Halo. It's not just about being the best FPS that would make Halo the Star Wars equivalent, it's about the far-reaching impact the series has or is capable of for a mainstream audience. I think the comparisons are really superficial and merely based on the science fiction epic story, trilogy and popularity similarities.

From the original article, "Just as Star Wars legitimized Sci-fi to the casual movie fan, Halo made blasting aliens cool to the mainstream audience." I would disagree with this. Has Halo really expanded the market? Is it the mainstream audience that is buying Halo, or the usual core gamers? I think Halo sells big to people who already play video games, but I don't think it is reaching out to nongamers, the way that Star Wars legitimized Science Fiction to the mainstream audience.

I'm not sure what direction the article is trying to go, is it saying that the mainstream gamer needed blasting aliens legitimized, or is it saying Halo reaches out to the mainstream, nongamer? I would say it does neither. Halo isn't the game that reaches out to the mainstream audience. It sells big, but if you want to look at whats expanding the market to the mainstream audience (this is where everyone will hate me) look at the Wii.

Somebody brought up Harry Potter, which as much as I dislike it, is a much better example of a Star Wars than Halo. Harry Potter brought science fiction fantasy books to the masses much the same way Star Wars did for science fiction movies.[/quote]

QFT

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Look the halo trilogy is NOT the star wars of this generation. How can we prove that? Do this

Go ask your family to name as many characters as they can from halo.
Go ask your school class to name as many characters as they can from halo.
Go ask your hardcore gamer buddies to name as many characters as they can from halo.

Now go ask your family,class,friends to name characters from star wars.

There you go.

Most people will probably be master chief....uhhhhhh and thats it.


I consider myself a hardcore gamer. I play games too much and browse games site too much. Ive played a little of halo 1 and 2 and im your average madden fan and nba 2k fan but also do the whole rpgs and wierd niche games and shit.

Shit the only character i can name is master chief.
I can name probably 30 characters from star wars and ive only seen the movies once each.


Thats how big an impact it had on the generation. I was born in 1985 so i came into it late and wasnt even the target generation but i still know that shit. Halo will not be talked about in 10 years.
  • It wont be talked about how it revolutionized the gaming industry.
  • People wont be telling their kids how they waited in line for 10 hours just to get the game.
  • People will not be dressing up as Master Chief at cons and shit 30 years from now.
  • People will not be having Halo themed weddings at ANY TIME.
  • There will be no Halo conventions at ANY TIME.
  • Nobody will be sporting halo themed lunch pales to school.


  • Halo is not this generations star wars.
 
[quote name='sleepy180']Look the halo trilogy is NOT the star wars of this generation. How can we prove that? Do this

Go ask your family to name as many characters as they can from halo.
Go ask your school class to name as many characters as they can from halo.
Go ask your hardcore gamer buddies to name as many characters as they can from halo.

Now go ask your family,class,friends to name characters from star wars.

There you go.

Most people will probably be master chief....uhhhhhh and thats it.


I consider myself a hardcore gamer. I play games too much and browse games site too much. Ive played a little of halo 1 and 2 and im your average madden fan and nba 2k fan but also do the whole rpgs and wierd niche games and shit.

Shit the only character i can name is master chief.
I can name probably 30 characters from star wars and ive only seen the movies once each.


Thats how big an impact it had on the generation. I was born in 1985 so i came into it late and wasnt even the target generation but i still know that shit. Halo will not be talked about in 10 years.
  • It wont be talked about how it revolutionized the gaming industry.
  • People wont be telling their kids how they waited in line for 10 hours just to get the game.
  • People will not be dressing up as Master Chief at cons and shit 30 years from now.
  • People will not be having Halo themed weddings at ANY TIME.
  • There will be no Halo conventions at ANY TIME.
  • Nobody will be sporting halo themed lunch pales to school.


  • Halo is not this generations star wars.
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Your response just sucks.

I don't really give a shit whether it is this generation's Star Wars (I'll readily admit I let loose a chuckle or two when Moore claimed that at E3).

But your reasoning is that because people can name Salacious Crumb and can't name Grunt, Halo can't even be considered to have a similiar legacy is mind boggling.

You've literally downgraded Star Wars' legacy and its impact to its fucking merchandising ability.

You sir do not belong on the debate team.
 
I don't care for the Halo story or any shit like that, but in terms of FPS nothing beats it multiplayer-wise.
 
Whether or not Halo 3 or any other Halo is better than Counter-Strike in terms of engine, gameplay and all that is irrelevent.

The point is, CSS already took the throne for most "popular" FPS.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']I think Halo is trash, but it would be stupid to deny that it's helped gaming to gain mainstream appeal like few other things. It's got an obsessive level of fandom that no other game has.[/QUOTE]

FFVII helped propel gaming into the mainstream though you can thank Sony for the budget as well. The game was solid as well along with having a good story. Halo is hoorah stuff. I'm not saying the gameplay isn't solid and while the story isn't bad at all it's no spectacular thing/
 
[quote name='zewone']I don't feel the need if people aren't going to legitimize their opinion of why they hate Halo so much.

Come on now, Serious Sam?[/quote]

you just wrote off half-life at the same time. fucking half-life. i'm not even sure what you're looking for. he gave a list of games he felt were better and they didn't fit YOUR taste, so it wasn't "legitimate."

i'm not even sure why i'm adding to the topic considering 1) i actually do enjoy halo and 2) it's turning into a stupid internet flame war over videogames.
 
[quote name='Shmitty']you just wrote off half-life at the same time. fucking half-life. i'm not even sure what you're looking for. he gave a list of games he felt were better and they didn't fit YOUR taste, so it wasn't "legitimate." .[/QUOTE]
Exactly.

He did the same to me.

I didn't care for Half-Life, and I think Halo is better because the multiplayer is outstanding. So, is my opinion not legitimate?
 
[quote name='zewone']I don't feel the need if people aren't going to legitimize their opinion of why they hate Halo so much.

Come on now, Serious Sam?[/QUOTE]

You asked me to name some games, not validate them. If you wanted me to support my opinions then you should have asked a more elaborate question. And yes, Serious Sam. I've had more hours of enjoyment playing SS than I have with both Halo 1 and 2 combined. That is simply how my experience turned out.

EDIT: And by the way, if you are going to get into a debate regarding the impact of any game, it behooves you to "give a shit" about the competition. Otherwise, people won't take you seriously. ;) But I digress...
 
HALO in the beginning didn't have any competition on consoles, it started off being graphically superior than any of its console competittors. I just wonder what happens now when its HALO 3 vs UT3, vs HAZE, vs Crysis, etc. After we've played HALO 3, and the first wave of next gen shooters then a determination can be made in regards to where HALO 3 stands this generation. Cause right now, any accolades you give HALO 3 at this point, is proabably based mostly on the populatrity of HALO 1/2, and HALO 3 beta.
 
For all those that are arguing vehemently against Halo being the Star Wars of video games, I just ask you this.

Very quickly, explain someone what Halo is, to someone that doesn't know nor care much about video games.

Because of this "a crappy FPS" really isn't adequate, since someone knowing nothing will obviously think it's something, since it's getting so much attention, and most people without video game knowledge isn't going to know what a FPS is.
 
[quote name='zewone']Exactly.

He did the same to me.

I didn't care for Half-Life, and I think Halo is better because the multiplayer is outstanding. So, is my opinion not legitimate?[/quote]

circular logic is the best kind.
 
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