Hamburgers are the Hummers of food in global warming

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When it comes to global warming, hamburgers are the Hummers of food, scientists say.

Simply switching from steak to salad could cut as much carbon as leaving the car at home a couple days a week.

That's because beef is such an incredibly inefficient food to produce and cows release so much harmful methane into the atmosphere, said Nathan Pelletier of Dalhousie University in Canada.

Pelletier is one of a growing number of scientists studying the environmental costs of food from field to plate.

By looking at everything from how much grain a cow eats before it is ready for slaughter to the emissions released by manure, they are getting a clearer idea of the true costs of food.

The livestock sector is estimated to account for 18 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions and beef is the biggest culprit.

Even though beef only accounts for 30 percent of meat consumption in the developed world it's responsible for 78 percent of the emissions, Pelletier said Sunday at a meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

That's because a single kilogram of beef produces 16 kilograms carbon dioxide equivalent emissions: four times higher than pork and more than ten times as much as a kilogram of poultry, Pelletier said.

If people were to simply switch from beef to chicken, emissions would be cut by 70 percent, Pelletier said.

Another part of the problem is people are eating far more meat than they need to.

"Meat once was a luxury in our diet," Pelletier said. "We used to eat it once a week. Now we eat it every day."

If meat consumption in the developed world was cut from the current level of about 90 kilograms a year to the recommended level of 53 kilograms a year, livestock related emissions would fall by 44 percent.

"Given the projected doubling of (global) meat production by 2050, we're going to have to cut our emissions by half just to maintain current levels," Pelletier said.

"Technical improvements are not going to get us there."

That's why changing the kinds of food people eat is so important, said Chris Weber, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Carnegie Mellon University in Pennsylvania.

Food is the third largest contributor to the average US household's carbon footprint after driving and utilities, and in Europe - where people drive less and have smaller homes - it has an even greater impact.

"Food is of particular importance to a consumer's impact because it's a daily choice that is, at least in theory, easy to change," Weber said.

"You make your choice every day about what to eat, but once you have a house and a car you're locked into that for a while."

The average US household contributes about five tons of carbon dioxide a year by driving and about 3.5 tons of equivalent emissions with what they eat, he said.

"Switching to no red meat and no dairy products is the equivalent of (cutting out) 8,100 miles driven in a car ... that gets 25 miles to the gallon," Weber said in an interview following the symposium.

Buying local meat and produce will not have nearly the same effect, he cautioned.

That's because only five percent of the emissions related to food come from transporting food to market.

"You can have a much bigger impact by shifting just one day a week from meat and dairy to anything else than going local every day of the year," Weber said.

For more information on how to eat a low carbon diet, visit www.eatlowcarbon.org.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.e36a67d49c1127a8c17cc38ed4a4c27e.211&show_article=1


Sorry to do another thread like this... but I just get a kick out of these articles.

In all seriousness, I realize that cows do poop a lot and that 14% (78% of 18%) of all emissions is a crazy high portion. But the guy in here says, if people just switch from chicken to beef it would cut emissions by 70%... but I think what he meant to say is, if people switch from chicken to beef and then we kill almost all the cattle, emissions would be cut by 70%. I'm pretty sure if we don't eat cows they still have to shit.

I also like this quote...

"Meat once was a luxury in our diet," Pelletier said. "We used to eat it once a week. Now we eat it every day."

Yup, and running water used to be a luxury too.
 
ok ill bite, yes beef is inefficient as hell.ever seen how fast a puppy becomes a dog?
a billion chinese cant be that wrong.
 
I'd like a Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese, 2 Big Macs, and a Double Cheeseburger to go please. Oh, and a Diet Coke.
 
So its either

A) Stop eating beef, let the cows live, and create even more emission from their extended lives

or

B) KILL THE COW RACE.
 
This is why I eat a balanced diet of anything that once moved :D



We all know the only reason we don't eat people is they are too stringy.
 
There's this Italian place around the corner that makes an awesome cheeseburger. Not some fast food stuff. This is a real manly burger. No way I'm giving that up for a smaller carbon footprint.
 
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[quote name='SoulReaver']So its either

A) Stop eating beef, let the cows live, and create even more emission from their extended lives

or

B) KILL THE COW RACE.[/QUOTE]

I think there's a bash.org quote that's like this (I'm butchering it below).

Person A> Cows hurt the environment
Person B> But they are so tasty
Person A> Wtf, what are you doing to help the environment?!
Person B> I'M EATING THE fuckING COWS
 
We just need to get this technology working better.

For those who need a summary: growing beef/meat on trees (usually inside fruits). Imagine cutting open an orange and finding beef. Seems hard to wrap your head around, but I think I could deal with it.
 
[quote name='Strell']We just need to get this technology working better.

For those who need a summary: growing beef/meat on trees (usually inside fruits). Imagine cutting open an orange and finding beef. Seems hard to wrap your head around, but I think I could deal with it.[/QUOTE]

Dude, wtf, that is crazy as hell.
 
I am SO against grown meat and I'm a Vegan. I'd rather a cow be killed and you eat it then eat artificial meat which I believe would easily be more dangerous for you. I'm sure Big Pharma would have a hand in it to make sure it made you sick or more likely to be.
 
It's just a matter of time before the global warming fanatics are trying to ban any and all foods that might cause flatulence. And letting the third world continue to starve, of course.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']I am SO against grown meat and I'm a Vegan. I'd rather a cow be killed and you eat it then eat artificial meat which I believe would easily be more dangerous for you. I'm sure Big Pharma would have a hand in it to make sure it made you sick or more likely to be.[/QUOTE]

Except it's not artificial - it's stem cell transplantation, a different shade of what medical science would use to harvest new organs for people. You put animal stem cells in an environment that nurtures them, they grow, you get meat.

You make it sound like they are shocking oranges with gigantic Tesla coils under the effects of radiation, somehow hoping that this will begin a Wheel of Fortune like genetic spin, where we hope to land on the "meat" wedge.

Theoretically it would be 100% identical, since the cells more or less clone the meat in a new environment. Until it's actually working on a grander scale, though, it's impossible to determine the health risks.
 
Global warming?Its been fucking cold these past months.So the point of this article is that people are the culprits of global warming.There exist more people then cows.Solution kill more people?This is what I get from the environmentalist.Am I wrong?
 
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Grown meat wont be as tasty though, since tastiness is proportional to how much suffering was caused to get the end product.

Thats why I love eggs. The suffering of the innocent is the tastiest of all.
 
[quote name='aihuman']Global warming?Its been fucking cold these past months.So the point of this article is that people are the culprits of global warming.There exist more people then cows.Solution kill more people?This is what I get from the environmentalist.Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]

This post is incredibly appropriate for your handle.

DMK is totally for soylent green.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']I am SO against grown meat and I'm a Vegan. I'd rather a cow be killed and you eat it then eat artificial meat which I believe would easily be more dangerous for you. I'm sure Big Pharma would have a hand in it to make sure it made you sick or more likely to be.[/QUOTE]

Of course you're against it, because it totally fucks up your idea of what is and isn't appropriate to eat. It shatters your conventional worldview. Just like gay marriage threatens the "matter-of-fact"-ness of traditional marriage being the way things are "supposed to be," meatfruit changes the dynamic and brings what you aren't eating and inserts it into a criteria of food that you are eating.

So, duh.
 
[quote name='Strell']I think there's a bash.org quote that's like this (I'm butchering it below).

Person A> Cows hurt the environment
Person B> But they are so tasty
Person A> Wtf, what are you doing to help the environment?!
Person B> I'M EATING THE fuckING COWS[/quote]

:lol: :applause:
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Grown meat wont be as tasty though, since tastiness is proportional to how much suffering was caused to get the end product.

Thats why I love eggs. The suffering of the innocent is the tastiest of all.[/quote]

Wouldn't the orange meat taste better after beating somebody with a sack of oranges?

Then, we could repeal child labor laws.
 
I remember seeing a show on the science channel about greenhouse gases, and one of the segments included how much emissions went into the air from taking the cow from out in the field to a nice formed burger. It was pretty astonishing.

As for me and my family, we hardly eat meat. Maybe once or twice a week. We mainly eat chicken, ham, turkey, and fish.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Of course you're against it, because it totally fucks up your idea of what is and isn't appropriate to eat. It shatters your conventional worldview. Just like gay marriage threatens the "matter-of-fact"-ness of traditional marriage being the way things are "supposed to be," meatfruit changes the dynamic and brings what you aren't eating and inserts it into a criteria of food that you are eating.

So, duh.[/QUOTE]

Myke I hate to break it to you but I'm primarily a health Vegan and therefore won't be eating the meat. Plus anything grown in a lab is bound to have Big Pharma's fingerprints on it, especially something like this. This is why I would encourage Moralistic Vegetarians and Vegans not to eat it.
Myke I'm FOR Gay Marriage and don't consider it a "matter of fact" it should only be for Straights. In fact I'm probably much more Socially Progressive then even you and most Liberals are. I'm for Breast Milk Ice Cream for crying out loud. I don't consider the idea weird at all.
edit: Joliet I really wish you would delete that quote since I quite clearly explained how coming out is quite different then being Black your entire life. How most Gay's, before or shortly after they've come out of the closet or both, have explored the community and learned some of the terms if not icons.
 
When I think of meat farm, I think of that scene in the vampire movies where they show all the people in suspended animation, providing blood for the vampire army. I also liked that spoof about corpo-farms, the "Meatrix".

Anyway - I know you'd just be growing the meaty goodness part and I think it's pretty wild. I like the idea. I actually had an inkling of this a few years back, but I was thinking of it more like a wall of meat growing up from the ground. I think any sophisticated organism will eventually start splicing, modifying, and "improving" itself once the technology/methodology becomes available - the food source is just the first step.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']You don't understand why it's funny, therefore i'm keeping it.[/QUOTE]

Did you even read my edit? The comparison is not valid and I outlined the reasons why. Shit I outlined it even before in that thread.
 
people need to stop drinking lattes too:

It's just a little coffee, after all. Well, and some water. And milk, and sugar. That sugar, doesn't that have to be grown as cane first? Hm. And then there's that plastic lid, which has to be created and distributed over hundreds of miles. And doesn't plastic require a pretty vast amount of water and oil to produce? Come to think of it, there's the sleeve and the cup itself too . . .
It keeps adding up, doesn't it? It does--it keeps adding up until it reaches a grand total of nearly 53 gallons. 53 gallons. For every single little latte that gets drank in a to-go cup. For every single latte-sipping person in the world. See where I'm going with this?
 
[quote name='Sarang01']I'm for Breast Milk Ice Cream for crying out loud.[/quote]

That would an awesome product.

Instead of "Happy Cow", the brand name would be "Perky Mom".
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Myke I hate to break it to you but I'm primarily a health Vegan and therefore won't be eating the meat. Plus anything grown in a lab is bound to have Big Pharma's fingerprints on it, especially something like this. This is why I would encourage Moralistic Vegetarians and Vegans not to eat it.[/quote]

Good on ya. I didn't say you HAD to eat it, but that doesn't make my point any less correct. Grabbing a T-Bone off a tree kinda ruins the philosophical boundaries for vegetarians/vegans. No more "I won't eat anything with a face," no more "I'm vegetarian because animal slaughter is cruel." Health reasons? Sure, but your fear of genetic modification is something entirely separate from meat v. not-meat.

The use of bone char in refining sugar doesn't make the sugar meat now, does it?

Myke I'm FOR Gay Marriage and don't consider it a "matter of fact" it should only be for Straights. In fact I'm probably much more Socially Progressive then even you and most Liberals are. I'm for Breast Milk Ice Cream for crying out loud. I don't consider the idea weird at all.
edit: Joliet I really wish you would delete that quote since I quite clearly explained how coming out is quite different then being Black your entire life. How most Gay's, before or shortly after they've come out of the closet or both, have explored the community and learned some of the terms if not icons.

Your reading comprehension needs to improve. I didn't say anything that would prompt this kind of reaction unless you're putting words in my mouth.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']people need to stop drinking lattes too:

It's just a little coffee, after all. Well, and some water. And milk, and sugar. That sugar, doesn't that have to be grown as cane first? Hm. And then there's that plastic lid, which has to be created and distributed over hundreds of miles. And doesn't plastic require a pretty vast amount of water and oil to produce? Come to think of it, there's the sleeve and the cup itself too . . .
It keeps adding up, doesn't it? It does--it keeps adding up until it reaches a grand total of nearly 53 gallons. 53 gallons. For every single little latte that gets drank in a to-go cup. For every single latte-sipping person in the world. See where I'm going with this?[/quote]

To a more sustainable and environmentally-friendly planet?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Good on ya. I didn't say you HAD to eat it, but that doesn't make my point any less correct. Grabbing a T-Bone off a tree kinda ruins the philosophical boundaries for vegetarians/vegans. No more "I won't eat anything with a face," no more "I'm vegetarian because animal slaughter is cruel." Health reasons? Sure, but your fear of genetic modification is something entirely separate from meat v. not-meat.

The use of bone char in refining sugar doesn't make the sugar meat now, does it?



Your reading comprehension needs to improve. I didn't say anything that would prompt this kind of reaction unless you're putting words in my mouth.[/QUOTE]

Myke and I don't like the Bone Char idea also. While part of me doesn't mind the idea of it being used if it's from cows that died from natural causes and to not waste it's usage, another part of me knows most of those companies are lying. I figure most of the time those dead cow's bones being used are from slaughterhouses and not from places where they died of starvation or whatever. Before you argue me being philosophical here as such it's the fact that is just another way the meat industry is more affordable then it should be in my opinion. I would like it to be as expensive as it's suppose to be with the subsidies stripped off for one.
As for Health reasons you misunderstand me Myke. I wouldn't eat ORGANIC Meat or Dairy even if it was cheap. I believe the very act of digestion of meat and animal based products puts more stress on your body in general given the proteins are more complex.
Myke I jumped, I admit. I was making sure you weren't lumping me in that fucking crowd.

Oh and on another note that frankly terrorizes me. To wonder how many Vegetarians and Vegans will be left when meat is grown. How many of us left won't eat it for reasons similar to mine or because they just don't trust the industries growing meat. I fear the clout we'll have left and if the resounding response won't just be a "fuck you!" from companies in terms of selling anything to us. Also there's the matter of making sure to keep things relatively clean for us in terms of factory procedures.
 
I'm vegeterian for health reasons. I think the only animal based food I eat is Whey protein isolate for lifting. But I don't give a shit about animals outside of what is needed to keep natural order. It's all health reasons for me.

However, I'm not sure anyone pointed this out. And BTW some people are talking I don't think they get it...It's supply and demand. The more burgers you eat = the more cows they produce.
So, eating the cows is actually not helping. I can't tell if some of you are joking when you suggest this..
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I thought about making a new thread for this, but I think it fits here rather nicely. I just wish we had one of these where I live.

The heart attack grill[/quote]

I hate to admit it, but fries cooked in pure lard are the best. They're a staple of "fish n' chips" and in moderation can be quite tasty.

As fatty as the food at this place is, I guarantee that, when comparing comparable menu items, it's more healthy then fat dons, BK, Wendys, etc
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']It's just a matter of time before the global warming fanatics are trying to ban any and all foods that might cause flatulence. And letting the third world continue to starve, of course.[/quote]
Look out your window. See the black helicopter?
That's because we wanted you to see it.

Reality's Fringe;5514741]So said:
Global warming?Its been fucking cold these past months.So the point of this article is that people are the culprits of global warming.There exist more people then cows.Solution kill more people?This is what I get from the environmentalist.Am I wrong?
Troll radar... blaring!
 
[quote name='The Crotch']

There are plenty of other animals capable of producing milk. Though goats are fucking assholes, so I dunno if we'd really gain anything by switching to them.


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i saw a show where gordon ramsey was pushing horse milk, its significantly healthier, most people that tried it thought it was very bland, a lot like nonfat milk.
 
[quote name='HowStern']I'm vegeterian for health reasons. I think the only animal based food I eat is Whey protein isolate for lifting. But I don't give a shit about animals outside of what is needed to keep natural order. It's all health reasons for me.

However, I'm not sure anyone pointed this out. And BTW some people are talking I don't think they get it...It's supply and demand. The more burgers you eat = the more cows they produce.
So, eating the cows is actually not helping. I can't tell if some of you are joking when you suggest this..[/QUOTE]

I'd heard Pea Protein was just as good as Whey if not better. So if you haven't you might want to just give it a shot.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']


There are plenty of other animals capable of producing milk. Though goats are fucking assholes, so I dunno if we'd really gain anything by switching to them.[/quote]


You could always try Raw cow's milk. It comes from small operations, where the cows are usually grass fed and most of the crap they feed/inject into regular milk cows aren't involved. Also they use older breeds like Jersey cows. I drink it, havent had any negative results, its a little rich, but not bad.
 
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