Harry Reid: "We killed the Patriot Act." Er... um, Harry? It Passed

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Congress Renews Patriot Act; Bush to Sign

By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer 24 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The House renewed the USA Patriot Act in a cliffhanger vote Tuesday night, extending a centerpiece of the war on terrorism at President Bush's urging after months of political combat over the balance between privacy rights and the pursuit of potential terrorists.

Bush, forced by filibuster to accept new curbs on law enforcement investigations, is expected to sign the legislation before 16 provisions of the 2001 law expire on Friday.

The vote was 280-138, just two more than needed under special rules that required a two-thirds majority The close vote caught senior Republican aides in both chambers by surprise.

Nonetheless, the vote marked a political victory for Bush and will allow congressional Republicans facing midterm elections this year to continue touting a tough-on-terror stance. Bush's approval ratings have suffered in recent months after revelations that he had authorized secret, warrantless wiretapping of Americans.

That issue helped fuel a two-month Senate filibuster that forced the White House to accept some new restrictions on information gathered in terrorism probes.

Republicans on Tuesday declared the legislative war won, saying the renewal of the act's 16 provisions along with new curbs on government investigatory power will help law enforcement prevent terrorists from striking.

"Intense congressional and public scrutiny has not produced a single substantiated claim that the Patriot Act has been misused to violate Americans' civil liberties," said House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis. "Opponents of the legislation have relied upon exaggeration and hyperbole to distort a demonstrated record of accomplishment and success."

"The president looks forward to signing the bill into law," said White House spokeswoman Dana Perino.

But the debate over the balance between a strong war against terrorists and civil liberties protections is far from over.

The Senate Judiciary Committee is holding hearings on the domestic wiretapping program. Additionally, Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., the chief author of the Patriot Act renewal, has introduced a new measure "to provide extra protections that better comport with my sensitivity of civil rights."

Despite its passage the Patriot Act still has staunch congressional opponents who protested it by voting 'no' even on the part of the bill that would add new civil rights protections. During the Senate's final debate last week, Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., said he was voting 'no' because the new protections for Americans were so modest they were almost meaningless.

Such objections echoed during the House debate Tuesday, where the measure was supported by 214 Republicans and 66 Democrats and opposed by 13 Republicans, 124 Democrats and one Independent.

"I rise in strong opposition to this legislation because it offers only a superficial reform that will have little if any impact on safeguarding our civil liberties," said Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio.

For now, Bush will be signing a package on which members of both chambers of Congress and the president can agree.

The package renews 16 expiring provisions of the original Patriot Act, including one that allows federal officials to obtain "tangible items" like business records, including those from libraries and bookstores, for foreign intelligence and international terrorism investigations.

Other provisions would clarify that foreign intelligence or counterintelligence officers should share information obtained as part of a criminal investigation with counterparts in domestic law enforcement agencies.

Forced by Feingold's filibuster, Congress and the White House have agreed to new curbs on the Patriot Act's powers.

These restrictions would:

• Give recipients of court-approved subpoenas for information in terrorist investigations the right to challenge a requirement that they refrain from telling anyone.

• Eliminate a requirement that an individual provide the FBI with the name of a lawyer consulted about a National Security Letter, which is a demand for records issued by investigators.

• Clarify that most libraries are not subject to demands in those letters for information about suspected terrorists.

The legislation also takes aim at the distribution and use of methamphetamine by limiting the supply of a key ingredient found in everyday cold and allergy medicines.

Yet another provision is designed to strengthen port security by imposing strict punishments on crew members who impede or mislead law enforcement officers trying to board their ships.

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So even with 2/3rds required to pass, as opposed to a simple majority, the limp dicked Democratic opposition made their own leadership look this pathetic and inept?

Wow.

Talk about an ineffective "opposition". I think I'll have to go over to DUmmie land to see the howls from the far left wing about their leadership betraying their country and their threats of phone calls, emails, primary challenges and witholding campaign contributions. The reactions will be priceless.

Even better than vs. Board members.... well, maybe.
 
I really don't understand why you express such glee in the fact that the Democrats are ineffective. You know perfectly well that our country is in deep shit because of the complete mismanagement of the Republican party, and you know that as long as they remain in power, things are only going to continue to get worse. By celebrating the Democrat's failure, you celebrate the downfall of your country.

You know what? I'll agree with you: the Democrats ARE a pathetic opposition party. They've been beaten like a dog for the past 10 years, and like a dog that's been beaten too much, a lot of them are afraid of their own shadows. Too afraid to stand up for themselves, even though they know they need to.

That's not something to celebrate, though: that's something to mourn. Because if more Democrats don't stand up and fight back, we're all in for a world of hurt. We're staring the death of our country directly in the face, and all you can do is stand on the sidelines and laugh at the few who are actually willing to stand up and fight for it.
 
Hooray! 45% of Americans concerns over civil liberties ignored! Democracy on the march!

A 4/2005 Gallup poll: Patriot act goes too far 45% / Does not go too far 49% - now THAT's a mandate!
 
Another issue that separates the true conservatives from the neocons: expansion of federal government into personal lives.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Talk about an ineffective "opposition". I think I'll have to go over to DUmmie land to see the howls from the far left wing about their leadership betraying their country and their threats of phone calls, emails, primary challenges and witholding campaign contributions. The reactions will be priceless.[/QUOTE]

So, let me get this straight: people disagree with the political party that they align themselves with, and complain about it?

I'm happy to be a member of a party that expresses its disappointment of their representatives' actions from time to time. It's pretty refreshing, I assure you. And I'm certain that this is not an exercise you have much experience in.

The irony of you acting outraged that people would express doubt in their political party is just delicious. Not stone crab delicious, but hey, a helluva lot cheaper.
 
[quote name='Three Dollar Hooker']Um, er, my personal life hasn't been affected and ah.... neither has yours.[/QUOTE]

Actually yours has, you're a student right? A provision of the USA Act (folded into the Patriot act) includes a program for monitoring foreign students, no matter where they are from.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']So, let me get this straight: people disagree with the political party that they align themselves with, and complain about it?

I'm happy to be a member of a party that expresses its disappointment of their representatives' actions from time to time. It's pretty refreshing, I assure you. And I'm certain that this is not an exercise you have much experience in.

The irony of you acting outraged that people would express doubt in their political party is just delicious. Not stone crab delicious, but hey, a helluva lot cheaper.[/QUOTE]

Touche'.

However we rarely discuss topics in which I have vehement disagreements with Republicans. The only one we've had recently was in reference to the debt ceiling.

If we actually talked about out of control spending, taxation issues, regulation issues, immigration or term limits you'd find out that I was more conservative than a Republican as defined by current actions and policies.

As it is the issues we discuss are really reactions to constant political gotcha that is always going on and not overlying political philosphies.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']As it is the issues we discuss are really reactions to constant political gotcha that is always going on and not overlying political philosphies.[/QUOTE]

Posted with great fervor, heavy breathing, and the belief that "Ah-HA! This will undoubtedly show them the error of their ways and convert them to the proper side of the political spectrum! Now just let me C&P this piece from FreeRepublic/DailyKos/HebrewIllustrated and they'll crumble!"

That last one was for ThreeDollarHooker.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']However we rarely discuss topics in which I have vehement disagreements with Republicans. The only one we've had recently was in reference to the debt ceiling.

If we actually talked about out of control spending, taxation issues, regulation issues, immigration or term limits you'd find out that I was more conservative than a Republican as defined by current actions and policies.[/QUOTE]

Looking at your avatar I dont think anyone believes you when you say you disagree with Republicans on their lack of fiscal responsibility.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Another issue that separates the true conservatives from the neocons: expansion of federal government into personal lives.[/QUOTE]

I'll remember this statement every quarter when uncle sam raids my checking account for his fair share of my personal life.
 
[quote name='Drocket']I really don't understand why you express such glee in the fact that the Democrats are ineffective. You know perfectly well that our country is in deep shit because of the complete mismanagement of the Republican party, and you know that as long as they remain in power, things are only going to continue to get worse. By celebrating the Democrat's failure, you celebrate the downfall of your country.

You know what? I'll agree with you: the Democrats ARE a pathetic opposition party. They've been beaten like a dog for the past 10 years, and like a dog that's been beaten too much, a lot of them are afraid of their own shadows. Too afraid to stand up for themselves, even though they know they need to.

That's not something to celebrate, though: that's something to mourn. Because if more Democrats don't stand up and fight back, we're all in for a world of hurt. We're staring the death of our country directly in the face, and all you can do is stand on the sidelines and laugh at the few who are actually willing to stand up and fight for it.[/quote]

That's a great post, only thing I disagree with is the "death of our country" part (after all, this country was forged in the fire of revolution and survived a civil war, the only real danger we face is the sharply rising political power that's being given to the rich and the theocratic)
 
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