Has the $250 price changed your mind?

[quote name='scottman']Didn't expect that. Then they really could have easily sold it for $200 if they thought it would sell more units. Arrogance or confidence?[/QUOTE]
Ignorance, with a pinch of arrogance.
 
can some one explain why is the Wii fucking 200 more than a gamecube, when all it has is slightly better graphics and the remote?

Nintendo had a PERFECT chance there to take over 50% of the market from sony, but 250 for a slightly more advanced gamecube? hell naw.
 
So did everyone ignore Foolman's quote that said a composite/component combo cable like the 360s will be included with the Wii? Thank you.
 
[quote name='omegaweapon7']can some one explain why is the Wii fucking 200 more than a gamecube, when all it has is slightly better graphics and the remote?

[/quote]

Because you're on Punk'd, and we're all in on it. :whistle2:#
 
[quote name='botticus']So did everyone ignore Foolman's quote that said a composite/component combo cable like the 360s will be included with the Wii? Thank you.[/QUOTE]

Where?! And I heart you javeryh for what you said, you're as pissed as me and rightfully so. I would've easily bought a Wii if it was $200 but not this shit with Wii Sports. Oh and I don't buy who said this system would cost $250, pack-in or no. If Nintendo tried this without a pack-in a LOT more people here would be bitching.
 
There’s no way in hell I’m paying $250 for a 2-3x souped up $49 Gamecube with a wireless controller and sensors.


Nintendo. Great on promises. Short on delivery.


Looks like they’re gouging for their 15 year old games too. Come on guys. $5 for an 8-bit NES game? I’m sitting this one out, Nintendo…I’ve already been screwed over by your underwhelming products enough times.
Any bets on how long it takes before a redesigned Wii Lite hits shelves? /grumbles
 
[quote name='scottman']Didn't expect that. Then they really could have easily sold it for $200 if they thought it would sell more units. Arrogance or confidence?[/QUOTE]
Business: I'm sure they were losing money when they were giving away Gamecubes for $100 less than their opponents. The system didn't work too well when only a few games sold, and few were nintendo-published games. Nintendo is upping the prices to cover up their less than stellar reputation for saturating the market.
 
The price doesn't bother me one bit, since expected it to be $200 and was going to get Wii Sports.

[quote name='richbastard']There’s no way in hell I’m paying $250 for a 2-3x souped up $49 Gamecube with a wireless controller and sensors.


Nintendo. Great on promises. Short on delivery.


Looks like they’re gouging for their 15 year old games too. Come on guys. $5 for an 8-bit NES game? I’m sitting this one out, Nintendo…I’ve already been screwed over by your underwhelming products enough times.
Any bets on how long it takes before a redesigned Wii Lite hits shelves? /grumbles[/quote]
I guess it's better then paying $5 for 20 year old games on XBLA.
So what promises did Nintendo make about the price of the Wii besides that it would be less then $250? It seems to me that they kept that one.
 
[quote name='richbastard']There’s no way in hell I’m paying $250 for a 2-3x souped up $49 Gamecube with a wireless controller and sensors.


Nintendo. Great on promises. Short on delivery.


Looks like they’re gouging for their 15 year old games too. Come on guys. $5 for an 8-bit NES game? I’m sitting this one out, Nintendo…I’ve already been screwed over by your underwhelming products enough times.
Any bets on how long it takes before a redesigned Wii Lite hits shelves? /grumbles[/quote]

You were posting crap about the Wii before the prices were even announced. At least you're consistent.
 
[quote name='Tybee']I find it amusing that everyone is casting aspersions on Wii Sports when not a single one of us, nor any of the gaming media, has played a final version of it. Hell, we hadn't even heard of Wii Bowling or Wii Boxing until this morning. The game could be fun as Hell. It could suck. The point is no one knows at this point. But gosh, it sure is fun to say "tech demo" and use an angry smiley, isn't it?[/QUOTE]

Well I played the Baseball demo at E3. It was just home run durby style game play and I doubt the pack in version will be a full baseball game. But I have a feeling the pack in game will be the type of fun duck hunt was. I mean SMB was 100x better game, but we all still played the hell out of duck hunt. And I'm sure Wii Sports will be the same.

Also it a way better pack in then Metriod Prime:Hunters First Hunt was and some Spiderman UMD.

EDIT: Oh and your damn right I'm getting one at launch. The thing is going to be a blast to bring to work and seem my co-workers swing the controller around like a bat. And even if Wii sports is only fun for 10 minutes at a time, 10 minutes is sometimes all the time I have to play games. Some of us have jobs and lives that prevent us from playing 40 hour RPGs. And the controller is too expensive. But I'm not worried. Thanks to CAG I found $20 wavebirds and now own 4 of them. So I'm sure CAG will deliver the cheap Wii gear.
 
No online play out the box for us with hardwire... 250.. expensive controllers? I always bought nintendo stuff cause it was cheap (gamecube at 99 with SSBM was a STEAL) but this one... well eh. Good thing im not buying and my sibling is.
 
[quote name='help1']No online play out the box for us with hardwire... 250.. expensive controllers? I always bought nintendo stuff cause it was cheap (gamecube at 99 with SSBM was a STEAL) but this one... well eh. Good thing im not buying and my sibling is.[/quote]
Uh.. you can buy a Wii with a game packed-in for $100 if you wait as long as you did to buy a GameCube at $100. It launched at $200.
 
I love the folks who think that since the GameCube is being sold at its death knell price of $80, the Wii should be base-priced at that, plus whatever value they happen to feel the Wii-mote warrants. So cute. So assinine.

And just because it's called "Wii Sports" doesn't mean it's a Madden-type sports simulation. It's a collection of party games for Pete's sake. Isn't that obvious? Just because you "don't like sports" doesn't mean you're inherently going to hate this game. I hate tennis, but Mario Tennis is fun. I hate basketball, but Mario Hoops 3-on-3 is fun. It's like saying you don't think you'd like Panzer Dragoon because you don't like flight simulators.

The whole reason they're including the game is for its broad appeal. Now was including a party game and then not including a second controller counterintuitive? Yes. I think they fucked up there, despite the fact that several of the games (golf, bowling, baseball) can be played by multiple people with one controller.
 
[quote name='Tybee']I love the folks who think that since the GameCube is being sold at its death knell price of $80, the Wii should be base-priced at that, plus whatever value they happen to feel the Wii-mote warrants. So cute. So assinine.

And just because it's called "Wii Sports" doesn't mean it's a Madden-type sports simulation. It's a collection of party games for Pete's sake. Isn't that obvious? Just because you "don't like sports" doesn't mean you're inherently going to hate this game. I hate tennis, but Mario Tennis is fun. I hate basketball, but Mario Hoops 3-on-3 is fun. It's like saying you don't think you'd like Panzer Dragoon because you don't like flight simulators.

The whole reason they're including the game is for its broad appeal. Now was including a party game and then not including a second controller counterintuitive? Yes. I think they fucked up there, despite the fact that several of the games (golf, bowling, baseball) can be played by multiple people with one controller.[/QUOTE]


Based on what we've heard, the Wii console should be mostly cheaper to produce than gamecube was. The graphics chip and cpu appear to be considerably smaller (almost the exact same chips but higher speed and shrunk), though the integrated wifi, flash memory, and various other gadgetry could bring the price back up some. (even though all those parts are much cheaper to produce)
I think Nintendo is making a serious misstep with pricing of accesories on their consoles, it certainly doesn't look like they want to compete on price. With all accesories costing as much or more than xbox 360's, then the only real price difference between the systems is the $100 difference between the wii and the premium (it's not hard to find a 360 for $350 now, and occasionally deals pop up where you can get it for just over $300), which is really insignificant in the long run costs.
 
While I had hoped for the $150-$200 pricepoint, $250 is not changing my want for Wii. ;)

I'll still be getting one at launch.
 
Not really. I was pretty sure I'd be waiting for a price drop to buy the console. I don't mind the $250 so much, my main issue is the $60 "complete" controllers. You'll spend over half of the console price just to be able to have 4 player multi-player. For now I'll just be content with my GCN backlog. Should keep me occupied until we see a price drop.
 
[quote name='Fox5']Based on what we've heard, the Wii console should be mostly cheaper to produce than gamecube was. The graphics chip and cpu appear to be considerably smaller (almost the exact same chips but higher speed and shrunk), though the integrated wifi, flash memory, and various other gadgetry could bring the price back up some. (even though all those parts are much cheaper to produce)
I think Nintendo is making a serious misstep with pricing of accesories on their consoles, it certainly doesn't look like they want to compete on price. With all accesories costing as much or more than xbox 360's, then the only real price difference between the systems is the $100 difference between the wii and the premium (it's not hard to find a 360 for $350 now, and occasionally deals pop up where you can get it for just over $300), which is really insignificant in the long run costs.[/quote] The whole "I can get a 360 for $315 off Overstock or Dell.com" is silly, cause the same deals will be available for the Wii. You really have to compare MSRP when talking about pricing. Not to mention the cost of controllers is really insignificant in the long run as well, unless you plan on buying one every 6 months for some reason. Even so, $100 is $100, giving me at least two additional games. And not paying for online gaming, etc.

If someone says "I can get a much faster CPU and better resolution for a third more," and that's what is important to them in your purchasing decision, then great. But the fact is you can get just as enjoyable a gaming experience (if I compare the types of games out for GameCube and Xbox, I'd actually say more enjoyable, personally) for less money.
 
[quote name='botticus']The whole "I can get a 360 for $315 off Overstock or Dell.com" is silly, cause the same deals will be available for the Wii. You really have to compare MSRP when talking about pricing. [/QUOTE]

I disagree.

You won't be seeing Wii discounts like that any time soon, certainly not this year.

I think most of us are talking about what to do for this season, for the launch of the Wii. This thread is very much about "How can I spend my $400" or whatever.

Many people have not bought a 360 because they were waiting for the Wii pricing, hoping to do Wii60 assuming Nintendo would give them one hell of a deal, and they didn't. Now many people are realizing they have to make a choice between the two.

So the fact that 360's can be had for a little over $300 right now, since it's been out a year, is very relavent to deciding on the purchase of a Wii at launch.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']So the fact that 360's can be had for a little over $300 right now, since it's been out a year, is very relavent to deciding on the purchase of a Wii at launch.[/QUOTE]

But that's just it. The 360 CAN'T be had for $300. First, you're talking about 360 the Lesser, which no self-respecting gamer would let in his house. Second, you're still going to need at least one game. After that you'll probably need either a second controller or an Live subscription or both.
 
[quote name='Tybee']But that's just it. The 360 CAN'T be had for $300. First, you're talking about 360 the Lesser, which no self-respecting gamer would let in his house. Second, you're still going to need at least one game. After that you'll probably need either a second controller or an Live subscription or both.[/QUOTE]

No, I'm referring to the premium system. I payed $320 1.5 months ago for my 360 premium system from Dell. If you look around, you can get those prices on the PREMIUM system (MSRP $400), it isn't hard.

I was able to get the Premium system, extra wireless controller, 13 months of live, and four games (some used) for under $400. That's less than the cost of the 360 MSRP alone. I'm not special, I'm just a CAG.

So from my point of view, on Nov 17, once you buy an extra controller and games for the Wii, suddenly the Wii really isn't much cheaper than a premium 360. We're talking a margin of less than $50.

So the point is, yes the Wii is always going to be cheaper than a 360, but given the huge technology gap between the two..... Are you willing to save $50 or so from a 360 for $150 technology and a gimicky controller?
 
You don't think that if Dell.com has a listing for the Wii, you couldn't use the same or similar coupons you used on the 360 to get it so cheap? That's my point. Unless it's a "Buy a 360, save $80!" deal, it can be considered a universal savings.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket'] I'm not special, I'm just a CAG.
QUOTE]

Thats exactly it.. most people are looking at B&M retail when they compare the two and Nintendo knows this. It is less for a wii by about $150. And you get a game with the Wii.

In reality non of the big gaming companies want to cater t the deal hunters of the world. The ones who wait for price drops or Black Friday deals before tehy jump.

The reality is Mircrosoft messed up last year but now the systems been out a year and its all water under the bridge. They can even do a small price drp this year and drop a few games and keep their sales going.. Its catch up time for the others.

Spec wise its still take money to do R&D, prototyping, advertisments, etc. And a paper comparison is never been Nintendo's strong area. The other thing is the controller tech is not something you can get with Microsoft. Even the new microsoft controllers have a hard time beating Nintendos old Wavebird tech, battery consumption etc.

Again tot he average consumer its almost $150 more pluys the tax difference between the two..

I am looking at
Xbox 360 $423
Wii $265

I am looking at $158 between the two thats a significant amount in my book.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']So the point is, yes the Wii is always going to be cheaper than a 360, but given the huge technology gap between the two..... Are you willing to save $50 or so from a 360 for $150 technology and a gimicky controller?[/QUOTE]

Well there's the rub. If you're in the "GameCube plus a gimmick" camp, of course you're not going to choose the Wii over the 360, regardless of whether it's $250 or $200. You're going in with the mindset that it's the same games you've been playing with a slightly different controller. And if the Wii was about playing Halo clones with a remote control, I would say fuck it too. But it's not.

I think Sony and Microsoft fans' inability to think about gaming outside of what they understand it to be demonstrates exactly the kind of rut gaming is in. It's a metaphor that's been beaten to death, but it's why people line up for the DS and not the PSP. It's not something you can attribute to a Cell processor or a massive hard drive. The value of the experience is not calculated in those terms. Which is why I think it's so funny when people try to calculate what a Wii should cost based on the parts under the hood.
 
[quote name='botticus']You don't think that if Dell.com has a listing for the Wii, you couldn't use the same or similar coupons you used on the 360 to get it so cheap? That's my point. Unless it's a "Buy a 360, save $80!" deal, it can be considered a universal savings.[/QUOTE]

Yes that's true.

However the past 2 or 3 weeks, at least one major retailer has had $50 mail in rebates on the 360 premium each week. This will just increase as we get closer to Christmas.

You have a point, but the price gap is still a lot more narrow than some of you think.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Yes that's true.

However the past 2 or 3 weeks, at least one major retailer has had $50 mail in rebates on the 360 premium each week. This will just increase as we get closer to Christmas.

You have a point, but the price gap is still a lot more narrow than some of you think.[/QUOTE]

For us, yes, but not for 98% of the marketplace. Which, as has been mentioned, is who the manufacturers and retailers have in their crosshairs.
 
[quote name='Tybee']
I think Sony and Microsoft fans' inability to think about gaming outside of what they understand it to be demonstrates exactly the kind of rut gaming is in. It's a metaphor that's been beaten to death, but it's why people line up for the DS and not the PSP. It's not something you can attribute to a Cell processor or a massive hard drive. The value of the experience is not calculated in those terms. Which is why I think it's so funny when people try to calculate what a Wii should cost based on the parts under the hood.[/QUOTE]

Well tybee, I guess it's all relative. There is this massive notion out there that Nintendo knows how to make fun games, and others don't.

There is this massive movement out there that strongly believes anything Nintendo touches will automatically be more fun, more innovative, and at the same time cheaper, than the others.

I don't subscribe to either notion. I have seen no video yet for the Wii that I thought looked super fun (except that battlefield commander looks alright). And the Wiimote means nothing to me in fun except an alternative to a mouse.

Everyone is assumes the Wii will be extra fun because it's "Nintendo". But some of us don't buy into that. I have never thought Nintendos quirky style and weird cartoony-disneyesque type games were super fun or worth buying systems for.

I realize I'm in a minority, so flame away, I am just pointing out it's all relative.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Well tybee, I guess it's all relative. There is this massive notion out there that Nintendo knows how to make fun games, and others don't.

There is this massive movement out there that strongly believes anything Nintendo touches will automatically be more fun, more innovative, and at the same time cheaper, than the others.

I don't subscribe to either notion. I have seen no video yet for the Wii that I thought looked super fun (except that battlefield commander looks alright). And the Wiimote means nothing to me in fun except an alternative to a mouse.

Everyone is assumes the Wii will be extra fun because it's "Nintendo". But some of us don't buy into that. I have never thought Nintendos quirky style and weird cartoony-disneyesque type games were super fun or worth buying systems for.

I realize I'm in a minority, so flame away, I am just pointing out it's all relative.[/QUOTE]

I don't buy into the Nintendo = fun argument any more than I buy into Sony = cool. Every company and the systems they produce have strengths and faults. There are games across all systems that I like, and it is precisely for that reason that I think they each deserve to be considered on their own merits, especially in this generation where the demarcation line has grown that much larger. I just happen to think that Nintendo deserves some credit for taking risks that the other two players at this point would never consider.

But my question to you is, if you're so disparaging of Nintendo, why are you even posting in this thread to begin with?
 
[quote name='Tybee']

But my question to you is, if you're so disparaging of Nintendo, why are you even posting in this thread to begin with?[/QUOTE]

Good question man. Really it's just because I'm trying to see the logic behind those that are NOT nintendo fan boy's, but still like the Wii (like yourself). And I think I understand now. I appreciate your posts.
 
[quote name='botticus']You don't think that if Dell.com has a listing for the Wii, you couldn't use the same or similar coupons you used on the 360 to get it so cheap? That's my point. Unless it's a "Buy a 360, save $80!" deal, it can be considered a universal savings.[/QUOTE]

The 360 has been around longer and is more likely to have deals. I wouldn't be surprised to see an official price cut either.
Plus, most deals are by percentages, the 360 costs more so knocking 20% off saves more money than 20% off a wii.
 
I'm a solo gamer by nature and I didn't let myself get caught up in the pricing theories, so I'm okay with the $250 price point. The exclusive games and inherent fun that comes with playing them is what has sold me on the system. If only Rockstar jumped on the Wii wagon and made Grand Theft Auto Wii, I'd be in gaming nirvana!
 
[quote name='Longshot']I'm a solo gamer by nature and I didn't let myself get caught up in the pricing theories, so I'm okay with the $250 price point. The exclusive games and inherent fun that comes with playing them is what has sold me on the system. If only Rockstar jumped on the Wii wagon and made Grand Theft Auto Wii, I'd be in gaming nirvana![/quote]

Good luck.
 
[quote name='Longshot']I'm a solo gamer by nature and I didn't let myself get caught up in the pricing theories, so I'm okay with the $250 price point. The exclusive games and inherent fun that comes with playing them is what has sold me on the system. If only Rockstar jumped on the Wii wagon and made Grand Theft Auto Wii, I'd be in gaming nirvana![/QUOTE]



I know that Rockstar is def watching the Wii to see how it does, there profits have been in the shitter lately so anything that is succesful they will jump on
 
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