Hate crimes soar after bombings

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Religious hate crimes, mostly against Muslims, have risen six-fold in London since the bombings, new figures show.



There were 269 religious hate crimes in the three weeks after 7 July, compared with 40 in the same period of 2004.

Most were verbal abuse and minor assaults, but damage to mosques and property with a great "emotional impact" also occurred, police said. Met Police Assistant Commissioner Tarique Ghaffur said he had never seen so much anger among young Muslims.



Communities were particularly frustrated by the increased use of stop-and-search and the new "shoot-to-kill to protect" policy of dealing with suicide bombers, he said.

"There is no doubt that incidents impacting on the Muslim community have increased."

And he warned: "It can lead to these communities completely retreating and not engaging at a time when we want their engagement and support."

Mr Ghaffur revealed that in the first three days after suicide bombers killed 52 people and injured 700 more, there were 68 "faith hate" crimes in London alone.

Racial profiling

A spokesman for the Muslim Safety Forum, an umbrella group which works closely with the police, said the figures reflected the increase in calls to their members about abuse and attacks since the London bombings.

"It's something we've been saying for a few weeks now but it's good to see senior police managers like Tariq Ghaffur have got up and actually said it," spokesman Tahir Butt said.

"Although police are talking about a zero tolerance policy the test is how effective that is at ground level when you go in and report a crime," Mr Butt added.

Faith hate crimes are currently prosecuted under anti-racism legislation, but a bill to create a new offence of incitement to religious hatred is currently going through the Houses of Parliament.

The bill, which has attracted criticism from many quarters, has passed its Commons stages but is set to get a rocky ride in the Lords.

The alarming figures emerged as Home Office minister Hazel Blears held the first in a series of meetings on Tuesday with Muslim community groups across the country. Those meetings come amid increasing concerns that young Muslims are being targeted by police in stop-and-search operations.



Ahead of the meeting, Ms Blears pledged that Muslims would not be discriminated against by police trying to prevent potential terror attacks.

She insisted "counter-terrorism powers are not targeting any community in particular but are targeting terrorists".

She also opposed police use of racial profiling, saying stop and searches should be based on good intelligence, not just skin colour.

Mr Ghaffur also revealed that the specialist unit dealing with serious and organised crime had lost 10% of its staff to the bombings inquiry.

'Stretched'

Between 300 and 473 of Specialist Crime Directorate detectives have been seconded at any one time since 7 July.

As a result Mr Ghaffur said key leads would be followed up but proactive work on major murder inquiries had "slowed to a trickle".

These include the 2004 murder of Amelie Delagrange, linked to five other attacks on women in south-west London, and the 1992 murder of Rachel Nickell on Wimbledon Common.

"The Met is stretched," he said. "There may be longer term implications if this level of activity continues." Last week Met Commissioner Sir Ian Blair revealed the anti-terrorism investigations were costing £500,000 a day.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4740015.stm

Muslim leader urges hijab caution
A leading Muslim figure has suggested Islamic women stop wearing hijab head scarves, amid a rise in hate crimes.

Dr Zaki Badawi, head of the Muslim College in London and chairman of the Council of Mosques and Imams, issued the advice amid a wave of race attacks.

There were 269 crimes in three weeks after the 7 July bombings, compared with 40 in the same period of 2004.

Dr Badawi said "a woman wearing the hijab... could suffer aggression from irresponsible elements". Most of the hate crimes reported were verbal abuse and minor assaults, but damage to mosques and property with a great "emotional impact" also occurred, police said.



Dr Badawi said: "In the present tense situation, with the rise of attacks on Muslims, we advise Muslim women who fear being attacked physically or verbally to remove their hijab so as not to be identified by those hostile to Muslims.

"A woman wearing the hijab...could suffer aggression from irresponsible elements. Therefore, she ought not to wear it. Dress is meant to protect from harm, not to invite it."

He said the Koran justified abandoning the hijab, saying it should help Muslim women be "identified and not molested", but if it led to harassment the ruling was it should not be worn.

Dr Badawi is seen as a moderate Islamic leader.

'Communities retreating' Met Police Assistant Commissioner Tarique Ghaffur said he had never seen so much anger among young Muslims.



Communities were frustrated by the increased use of stop-and-search and the new "shoot-to-kill to protect" policy for suicide bombers, he said.

"There is no doubt that incidents impacting on the Muslim community have increased."

And he warned: "It can lead to these communities completely retreating and not engaging at a time when we want their engagement and support." Mr Ghaffur said there were 68 "faith hate" crimes in London alone, in the first three days after the 7 July attacks which killed 52.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4742869.stm

As new figures show religious hate crimes - mostly against Muslims - have risen six-fold in London since the bombings, one woman relates how the events of 7 July have led to her becoming a target of hostility.




Lina Rohim says she and her family had lived an uneventful life in east London before the bombings of 7 July.

"I've never had any problems round here, especially because the majority of people round here are Muslims - but there's a good mixture of black, Asian and white," the mother-of-two says.



She went unnoticed about her daily tasks in the anonymity generally enjoyed by Londoners but that all changed, she says, with the Tube and bus bombings of 7 July. Lina wears the hijab, a traditional head covering worn by many Muslim women.



But she says since 7 July her adherence to her faith has led to her being the target for abuse.



"Wearing the hijab increases my problems. Because we are dressed like this people can spot us, if I didn't wear the hijab nobody would be able to tell whether I was a Muslim."

Since 7 July she has had to endure people staring, pointing and making comments about Muslims and bombers, she says.



'Muttering'

She attempts to ignore comments and "dirty looks" wherever possible, Lina adds, but a recent incident which led to her 3-year-old daughter being injured has left her shaken.

The trouble began as she travelled on a bus with her daughter and six-year-old son.

"A middle-aged woman with a trolley got on and problems started the moment she saw me. As soon as she got on she was staring at me and muttering about Muslims.

"When she went to get on she deliberately trapped my daughter's hand between her trolley and a handrail my daughter was holding," Lina recalls.

More abuse about Muslims followed when she remonstrated with the woman, Lina says, but in spite of her daughter's screams and the woman's abuse, nobody else on the bus came to her aid.

"There were loads of people on the bus but nobody intervened to help me, they just kept staring at me," she says.



But Lina says in spite of the fact her hijab marks her out from the crowd she intends to continue wearing it. "The hijab is part of my faith, the way a Muslim women should be dressed when she's outside, I wouldn't consider not wearing it," she says.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4742729.stm
 
Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers. Sura 5:51​
 
[quote name='Scrubking']
Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers. Sura 5:51​


[/QUOTE]

Haven't we already had these posts, with quotes from the koran, torah and bible going back and forth with none really coming off as worse?

Though glad to see you attack muslims in a thread stating hate crimes are up, even against little kids. Any upcoming attacks you know of?
 
[quote name='Scrubking']
Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers. Sura 5:51​
[/QUOTE]They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
 
[quote name='camoor']They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)[/QUOTE]

When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
(Satanic Rule of the Earth #11)

That's a personal favorite. :)
 
I don't give a shit what anyone does to them.

'nuff said.

If a special education teacher can be a suicide bomber anyone can. Kill them.

Kill them all.

Here's the choice I'd give them. Deportation or death.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']I don't give a shit what anyone does to them.

'nuff said.

If a special education teacher can be a suicide bomber anyone can. Kill them.

Kill them all.

Here's the choice I'd give them. Deportation or death.[/QUOTE]

The nazis were never this blunt.

If this world is ever faced with the horror of you having a child, wouldn't it be ironic if your son/daughter married a muslim?
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']The nazis were never this blunt.
[/QUOTE]

I'm sure you've known many Nazis in your time to produce this factoidal tidbit.

[quote name='"alonzo"']Though glad to see you attack muslims in a thread stating hate crimes are up, even against little kids. Any upcoming attacks you know of? [/quote]


and quoting the qurran isn't necessarily an attack on muslims, is it ?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']I don't give a shit what anyone does to them.

'nuff said.

If a special education teacher can be a suicide bomber anyone can. Kill them.

Kill them all.

Here's the choice I'd give them. Deportation or death.[/QUOTE]


you are such a sad person, you would fit well with all those people who burn the flag and want the US out of their land
 
[quote name='bmulligan']I'm sure you've known many Nazis in your time to produce this factoidal tidbit. [/quote]

History does not exist in your world, either that or it is useless unless you were actually there. That the germans tried to show that their camps were humane, and not killing centers, is well known, as Terezin is an example of..

and quoting the qurran isn't necessarily an attack on muslims, is it ?

I hate responding to your posts, you ask questions that both you and I know the answer to just for the sake of seeing me type a response. I posted a comment about hate crimes against muslims, scrub, with his history of typed attacks against muslims and his previous comments of not caring if muslims are attacked, posted a quote from the quran where it tells muslims not to associate with non muslims. In context, in both the type of response and his history, that was an attack. And there have been many tit for tat type arguments, some involving him, where scriptural passages were posted resulting in all religions involved being shown in a negative light.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']The nazis were never this blunt.

If this world is ever faced with the horror of you having a child, wouldn't it be ironic if your son/daughter married a muslim?[/QUOTE]

The Nazis never gave the option of deportation. The only option was death.

I'd just enact the old Muslim tradition of the honor killing. Problem solved. Any Muslim showed up at my door to date my children my immediate introduction would be "Hello, you have the option of leaving now or I have a .45 and a shovel. I doubt anyone would miss you."
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']The Nazis never gave the option of deportation. The only option was death.

I'd just enact the old Muslim tradition of the honor killing. Problem solved. Any Muslim showed up at my door to date my children my immediate introduction would be "Hello, you have the option of leaving now or I have a .45 and a shovel. I doubt anyone would miss you."[/QUOTE]


That's not entirely correct. Sure, that wasn't an option when they were actually sent to ghettoes and camps, but about half of the jewish population fled germany. The option to leave was there for the 1930's, and encouraged, but it wasn't an "either or" type situation.

Though, quite honestly, if my father had actually threatened to physically harm a person I was with due to racism (and he is racist, though never to the people's faces and doesn't say much about most, except hispanics which he's always complaining about), there would be a huge fight and I'd probably call the cops to really get back at him, especially if the person left because of it. I can be very spiteful when provoked.

Though, I really do hope you have a daughter and she marries an imam. Hell, I'd even fly out to attend the wedding.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Whenever PAD makes a post I imagine Draco Malfroy sitting in front of a computer screen.[/QUOTE]

When you make a post I picture a poor little Cub Scout in his tightie whities and nothing else sitting on your lap "earning" his PC merit badge as you whisper what to type in his ear.

[quote name='alonzomourning23']That's not entirely correct. Sure, that wasn't an option when they were actually sent to ghettoes and camps, but about half of the jewish population fled germany. The option to leave was there for the 1930's, and encouraged, but it wasn't an "either or" type situation.

Though, quite honestly, if my father had actually threatened to physically harm a person I was with due to racism (and he is racist, though never to the people's faces and doesn't say much about most, except hispanics which he's always complaining about), there would be a huge fight and I'd probably call the cops to really get back at him, especially if the person left because of it. I can be very spiteful when provoked.

Though, I really do hope you have a daughter and she marries an imam. Hell, I'd even fly out to attend the wedding.[/QUOTE]

What part of honor killing a .45 and a shovel don't you understand? I guarantee you there's no way in hell they'd stay once they met me.

Liberals, are they really more intelligent than the rest of us???
 
[quote name='Rich']
When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
(Satanic Rule of the Earth #11)[/QUOTE]

Quoted for truth.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']When you make a post I picture a poor little Cub Scout in his tightie whities and nothing else sitting on your lap "earning" his PC merit badge as you whisper what to type in his ear.[/quote]

Ok, that ones funny.


What part of honor killing a .45 and a shovel don't you understand? I guarantee you there's no way in hell they'd stay once they met me.

Liberals, are they really more intelligent than the rest of us???


I'm just saying, if that was done to someone I'm with you better have a better story than that when the cops arrive.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I'm just saying, if that was done to someone I'm with you better have a better story than that when the cops arrive.[/QUOTE]

You'd be surprised how hard it is to convict someone without a body or murder weapon.

If they never found Jimmy Hoffa they'd never find Abdullah Mohammed Assan either.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']You'd be surprised how hard it is to convict someone without a body or murder weapon.

If they never found Jimmy Hoffa they'd never find Abdullah Mohammed Assan either.[/QUOTE]

We're assuming you threatened and didn't carry out. All I care is the cops scared the shit out of the person I'm trying to get back at.
 
PAD I'm actually surprised you wouldn't stone them to death.

I think it's really a shame you wouldn't believe someone of your own offerspring would know the person they loved well enough to decide on their own whether to leave them. I'm sure even if your FRIENDS said he/she was a decent guy you'd still try to scare them off.
 
Bullet to the head and a deep six 15 miles off the Virgina coast would do just fine. No need to stone them.

There's also the option of feeding them to the stone crabs in the Chesapeake. Nature's scavengers do a much better job of body disposal than man.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']History does not exist in your world, either that or it is useless unless you were actually there. That the germans tried to show that their camps were humane, and not killing centers, is well known, as Terezin is an example of.. [/quote]

Sorry, alonzo, history exists all too well in MY world. It's a history you choose to ignore with quotes like this : "The nazis were never this blunt."

They were this blunt, and severals orders more blunt that you could possibly imagine. Perhaps in your pampered little white bread world, you have never been terrorized to the point of submission. You have never had your possesions stripped from you at gunpoint, nor have you been forced to starve and beg for your own life.


[quote name='"alonzo"']I hate responding to your posts, you ask questions that both you and I know the answer to just for the sake of seeing me type a response.[/quote]

You hate responding becuase you know you're full of shit to begin with and can't stand having to explain your own flippant, insensitive, and non-sensical comments.

[quote name='"alonzo"']I posted a comment about hate crimes against muslims, scrub, with his history of typed attacks against muslims and his previous comments of not caring if muslims are attacked, posted a quote from the quran where it tells muslims not to associate with non muslims. In context, in both the type of response and his history, that was an attack. [/quote]

Your opinion. I see it as enlightenment of reality. Something demonstrated to be beyond your capacity in most instances.
 
B I REALLY wouldn't call him insensitive since that's like the pot calling the kettle black. Now I don't mean that comment towards you but who you were defending, PAD.
Granted the Jews knew they would get picked up with the star on how many knew they were going to the camps at the time it was happening b? I mean people didn't exactly get out of the camps and tell people they were imprisoned and near worked to death.
 
Wow, Rich, bmulligan, and others are defending PADs position.

Are you all blatantly racist? WTF?

You are just furthering the stereotype of the racist republican, because in this topic all of the boards republicans are defending a racist who is saying we should kill everyone belonging to the arab race.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Sorry, alonzo, history exists all too well in MY world. It's a history you choose to ignore with quotes like this : "The nazis were never this blunt."

They were this blunt, and severals orders more blunt that you could possibly imagine. Perhaps in your pampered little white bread world, you have never been terrorized to the point of submission. You have never had your possesions stripped from you at gunpoint, nor have you been forced to starve and beg for your own life. [/quote]

Show me where the nazi's publicly announced they would try to kill all the jews.



You hate responding becuase you know you're full of shit to begin with and can't stand having to explain your own flippant, insensitive, and non-sensical comments.



Your opinion. I see it as enlightenment of reality. Something demonstrated to be beyond your capacity in most instances.

If the grand wizard of a kkk group came on here and posted a topic about how inherently violent blacks were by showing crime statistics, and someone said it was an attack on blacks, you would start arguing "so posting statistics on blacks is an attack?", that's the quality of the question you asked.
 
alonzo, are you an idiot?

You are arguing semantics with a bunch of racists.

WTF? You are such a fucked in the head liberal you can't stay on topic no matter what, they throw out bait and you jump on it like the retard you are.

Give it up.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']alonzo, are you an idiot?

You are arguing semantics with a bunch of racists.

WTF? You are such a fucked in the head liberal you can't stay on topic no matter what, they throw out bait and you jump on it like the retard you are.

Give it up.[/QUOTE]


Oh no, everyone's turning on everyone else now.

Although, I'm sorry to say, alonzo, but I gotta agree with Quack (yep, I said it) they are completely racist about this and so shortsighted that its pathetic. While, I might not have worded it quite as harshly as Quack, he makes a good point. The issue here is PAD's blatant (and sad) racist opinions. By arguing the symantics of Naziism in Germany over 60 years ago. Nazis=racist=PAD, 'nuff said.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Oh no, everyone's turning on everyone else now.

Although, I'm sorry to say, alonzo, but I gotta agree with Quack (yep, I said it) they are completely racist about this and so shortsighted that its pathetic. While, I might not have worded it quite as harshly as Quack, he makes a good point. The issue here is PAD's blatant (and sad) racist opinions. By arguing the symantics of Naziism in Germany over 60 years ago. Nazis=racist=PAD, 'nuff said.[/QUOTE]

Ya, I know that, I even sorta mentioned that. I don't exactly agree with the way quack worded it, and I know it's pointless and that PAD just revels in going overboard, but what can I say I like arguing, even when it's pointless. Though you got me on why I respond to bmulligan half the time.
 
From dictionary.com:

racist

adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks" 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist]

I would agree that racist isn't the BEST word to describe your bigotry: according to the dictionary, however, its a pefectly acceptable one.
 
I'm sorry that you feel a death worshiping Satanist cult like Islam is worthy of understanding.

So, how about I come and kill your family in the name of Allah?

If you still belive that Islam is misunderstood then I'll believe that you're truly tolerant.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']RvB, show me where Muslims qualify as a race.

When you can, you can call me racist.[/QUOTE]

I've addressed that exact question of race with alonzo and his motley crew on more than one occasion. His misuse of the term applying to muslims is racist in and of itself.

However, as stated before he can't seem to remember any history except the one he makes up in his head as suits his needs. Blatant misuse of the "racist" flag is his MO, so I don't expect him or any of his commrades to change anytime soon.

Quack, I was not defending PAD or his comments, I was reacting to the thoughtless comparison to PAD's usual outrageous remarks and the Nazi regime's intent to carry out a final solution. Alonzo can't resist replying becuase underneath it all he knows he has no solid foundation fall back upon, save his friends on this board. His groundless statements need constant re-positioning in order to validate his own opinion however wrong it may be. For example:

[quote name='"alonzo"']If the grand wizard of a kkk group came on here and posted a topic about how inherently violent blacks were by showing crime statistics, and someone said it was an attack on blacks, you would start arguing "so posting statistics on blacks is an attack?", that's the quality of the question you asked.[/quote]

another incredulous analogy. I can't believe you scored well enough on the SAT to be accepted to anything but an internet university. Are you are the KKK wizard, The English violent blacks, and I the one who is defending you? You honestly need to take more time and think things through before posting shit like this.

Posting a verse from the qurran is not an attack on muslims. Just like posting a verse from the bible is not an attack on christians, especially if it sheds light on the truth of the foundation of these faiths. But then again, you seem to always give more credence to your feelings and opinions of others rather than truth.
 
I don't understand WHY the definition for racism at dictionary.com/ even includes religion. I mean seriously that makes no sense.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']I've addressed that exact question of race with alonzo and his motley crew on more than one occasion. His misuse of the term applying to muslims is racist in and of itself.
[/quote]

You did, and just like drocket I produced a dictionary article to prove my argument.

And, thank you, I am flattered that I could inspire so much anger without actually becoming angry.
 
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