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What gave me the idea for this thread was a conversation I was having with an older man. He was a teen in Germany during WWII, and I never asked him if he was in the army or anything, though I think most men were, and most male teenagers were conscripted into Hitler Youth towards the end of the war so he probably was. He's lived in Canada since 1951.

He is the step-father of my fiance's step-mother, so there is not a close relation there. I sort of like the guy, we get along fine and he seems to really enjoy talking to me.

We were bullshiting and talking politics, and I was bitching about Iraq, and he told me how his "faderland" was unlike America in that they're super hesitant to get involved in anything, b/c of the international stigma that whenever Germany does anything, even have national pride parades, people the world over say "Oh noes!!!! Look out! Germany is at it again!"

I responded something along the lines of "Yeah, it's unfortunate but they did do some pretty bad stuff over there." Then he said, which really gets at the crux of this post: "Yeah, but we had no idea what was going on w/ the holocaust."

And THAT got me thinking: "Really?"

Okay, maybe most people didn't know they (jews, gypsies, dissidents, the list goes on and on) were being gassed, but they sure as fuck knew they were being rounded up and never heard from again. They sure as fuck knew about the massive ghettos (
 
I, myself, don't have any ill feelings towards germans, or germany. Frankly, the past is the past, learn from it, and move on.

I can even go so far as to say I couldn't have ill feelings towards the german soldiers from WW2. While none of them really attempted to find out what was going on, who would? You're a low rank soldier, you don't want to stick your neck out, and get it cut. Not to mention even though Hitler himself was (As Eddie Izzard puts it) a mass murdering fuckhead, he was still a brilliant speaker. Think about it, if with the war in Iraq, you were drafted, and then at every opportunity you heard speeches from an amazing motivational speaker. Wouldn't you start to feel your national pride? start to believe that this was a good thing? Persuasion is a VERY powerful thing when used correctly. My money sits that most, if not all of the soldiers whole heartedly had no idea what was going on, and didn't care.

Of course, this doesn't go for any of the more privileged officers, who no doubt knew exactly what the plans were.

What I HATE are the people, who today knowing exactly what it is to be a Nazi, still continue to support it. I don't care who the fuck you are, no race, sex, religion, social class, or genetic feature makes you any better than any other person. And it makes me sick to think that there's still people out that who hole heartedly believe the opposite.
 
[quote name='Nowell']I, myself, don't have any ill feelings towards germans, or germany. Frankly, the past is the past, learn from it, and move on.

I can even go so far as to say I couldn't have ill feelings towards the german soldiers from WW2. While none of them really attempted to find out what was going on, who would? You're a low rank soldier, you don't want to stick your neck out, and get it cut. Not to mention even though Hitler himself was (As Eddie Izzard puts it) a mass murdering fuckhead, he was still a brilliant speaker. Think about it, if with the war in Iraq, you were drafted, and then at every opportunity you heard speeches from an amazing motivational speaker. Wouldn't you start to feel your national pride? start to believe that this was a good thing? Persuasion is a VERY powerful thing when used correctly. My money sits that most, if not all of the soldiers whole heartedly had no idea what was going on, and didn't care.

Of course, this doesn't go for any of the more privileged officers, who no doubt knew exactly what the plans were.

What I HATE are the people, who today knowing exactly what it is to be a Nazi, still continue to support it. I don't care who the fuck you are, no race, sex, religion, social class, or genetic feature makes you any better than any other person. And it makes me sick to think that there's still people out that who hole heartedly believe the opposite.[/quote]


So, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that because most didn't know, didn't care to find out, and were just swept up in National Pride and were just following orders, you wouldn't harbor ill will towards nazi soldiers? You're saying you do not harbor ill will for getting swept up in persuasive speaking, national pride and propaghanda, and not sticking their neck out to help jews, social dems, communists, etc...? You just let the past be the past?
 
I am German (in ancestry). It's fucking retarded when people ask:

"oh what ethnicity are you?"

"mix.. mostly german"

"ooooohhhHHHH NAZII!!!! ha ha."

good one, idiot.

you know what was also extra gnar that a lot of people don't talk about is what nazi scientists did to the retarded. they would take them from their parents and even lie to the parents about giving them treatment. then they would mysteriously die a week later under their new care. people started getting suspicious when they found out their child died from a ruptured appendix (when their child had already had their appendix removed years ago.)
 
[quote name='coltyhuxx']I am German (in ancestry). It's fucking retarded when people ask:

"oh what ethnicity are you?"

"mix.. mostly german"

"ooooohhhHHHH NAZII!!!! ha ha."

good one, idiot.

you know what was also extra gnar that a lot of people don't talk about is what nazi scientists did to the retarded. they would take them from their parents and even lie to the parents about giving them treatment. then they would mysteriously die a week later under their new care. people started getting suspicious when they found out their child died from a ruptured appendix (when their child had already had their appendix removed years ago.)[/quote]


NAZI!!!


jk

Its funny you bring up the retarded, because when the people found out they were "treating" them. They got angry and that the testing was halted. Guess they were fine living with the Ghettoed people stuff to get too angry about that.
 
Nazi spelled backwards is "Izan".


And hate is "Etah".

So that spells "Etah Izan".

Which kinda sounds like eat a pizza.

Everybody likes Pizza, so therefore everybody likes Nazis.

And if you don't like Pizza you might just be... A Nazi.
 
Unless they had a direct hand in what happened during WW2, then no, i have no reason to dislike them. Though for the soldiers who claim they didn't know what was happening or didn't care to know, fuck them. They knew, they had to of, if they didn't, then ask somebody fool. Neo Nazis are the people i really can't stand, they're the ones who idolize hitler like he was a god. Some seriously think he'll be resurrected one day to lead the aryan people.

That poem really does resonate with the time we live in. People don't take any interest in anything unless it directly affects them. i've had people ask me why, as a straight guy, i care about gay rights. Doesn't matter that it doesn't affect me, it would if i were gay.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']Unless they had a direct hand in what happened during WW2, then no, i have no reason to dislike them. Though for the soldiers who claim they didn't know what was happening or didn't care to know, fuck them. They knew, they had to of, if they didn't, then ask somebody fool. Neo Nazis are the people i really can't stand, they're the ones who idolize hitler like he was a god. Some seriously think he'll be resurrected one day to lead the aryan people.

That poem really does resonate with the time we live in. People don't take any interest in anything unless it directly affects them. i've had people ask me why, as a straight guy, i care about gay rights. Doesn't matter that it doesn't affect me, it would if i were gay.[/quote]

I wish more people were like you. At least in this regard.

People really have their "minds and curtains closed" -NoFX.

I'm encouraged though. So much interest in this upcomming election implies less political apathy, and political apathy is a very dangerious thing.

We need more protests, and more fuckin voting!
 
[quote name='getmeoutofjoliet']Nazi spelled backwards is "Izan".


And hate is "Etah".

So that spells "Etah Izan".

Which kinda sounds like eat a pizza.

Everybody likes Pizza, so therefore everybody likes Nazis.

And if you don't like Pizza you might just be... A Nazi.[/quote]

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Germany was in a state of panic and had nothing and nobody to do. Hitler ( renamed ) was a man who admired Germany from afar. Using his family wealth he made an attempt to revitalize Germany from it's crippled state.

This was originally Axis and Allies system that plunged Germany into WWI.
They was just a little country caught between something that is right out of the story of Helen Of Troy.

What is even worst is the whole start of this was by the Black Hand who assinated a Duke who was not even royality to begin with. It was like a big setup which eventually led to the state of which the world is now.

Stop thinking about Naszi Party being a bad thing to begin with and start thinking about how if people had sent some kind of funding to Germany WWII never would have happed.

At the same time think about the good of WWII that was given back to us. Like the fictional material that we play in games and read in comics and novels today.
With no WWII think about how the world would have looked like. Yes we might have no AIDS but we might have no Rockmusic.

Some people would have not been born at all. Think about that.
 
Most Germans really had no clue what was going on. It's easy to sit here and call bullshit on that, but it's true. I've know plenty of Germans from around this time period, and many of them are of the same opinion.
 
[quote name='lanzarlaluna']Most Germans really had no clue what was going on. It's easy to sit here and call bullshit on that, but it's true. I've know plenty of Germans from around this time period, and many of them are of the same opinion.[/quote]

I pretty much agree for the most part. I guess my problem is with people having the amount of political/social/humane apathy that is necessary for most to not know.

As I've stated, they knew "undesirables" were being rounded up and never heard from again. The ghettoes were in the city streets, the smells/smoke from concentration camps were reported to have been sensed as far as 20 miles away. They knew the other political parties were being hunted, and that the stores, shops, and all forms of commerce carried on by the "undesirables" were being destroyed and closed up.

These are just the things that were impossible to hide, because of their scale. So again, the question remains: Even if one didn't "know" per se, ought not some degree of culpability be assigned for apathy, willful ignornace, and turning their head the other way...because...after all, why should anybody "stick their neck out" when they themselves were not a communist, a social democrat, a trade unionist, a jew?

Do you see what I'm getting at? If more people stuck up for and cared about others, even when we personally aren't being threatened, the world would be much better off.
 
I s'pose next we should all be damned/chided/hated for extraordinary rendition?

It ain't killin', but, y'know...at least we know it's happening.
 
Personally, if I were in that situation, I'm pretty sure I would be more interested in saving my own life. It's a fear thing. The chances of one soldier or even 10 soldiers stopping someone as powerful at Hitler is slim to none. Their options were more than likely: 1. Turn their head away, and pretend they don't know any better, or 2. Say something, and be sent away, never to see their loved ones again. I can honestly say, that in that situation, I would be saving my own ass.

It's not that what they did is right, it's not that I don't think that turning a blind eye is good. Just in the situation of live or die, most will choose to live. And it does no good to have ill feelings toward them, because they probably give themselves enough for having participated in something like that. Hating them isn't going to change anything, however, NOT hating them will. It will stop things like this from happening again.

@Redie, yes, some "good" did come out of ww2. A lot of the material we have for movies, games, books is based around that time. But quite honestly, even though I don't harbor hate for the individuals involved, the Nazi party WAS a bad thing. And if it hadn't happened then and there, I'm pretty sure something similar would have happened SOMEWHERE on earth in the future. and last I checked, trying to revitalize a nation doesn't involve herding up "undesirables" to be executed, or invading other bordering countries.

Then again, these are just my views and opinions, take them as you will. On a personal note though, I find it really hard to truly hate someone, especially for something that happened so long ago, that they weren't DIRECTLY involved with. Also note that my feelings here aren't really towards the soldiers that manned the camps, or performed any of the executions. It's towards the less informed soldiers, the ones fighting for germany on the front lines, that gave their lives for their country, not for Hitler's twisted holocaust.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I s'pose next we should all be damned/chided/hated for extraordinary rendition?

It ain't killin', but, y'know...at least we know it's happening.[/quote]

You may be being facetious myke, but my answer to your question is an emphatic "Hell Yeah!".

Torture is an abomination against humanity and against international law, and any nation, including the people who abide it, does deserve to be "damned/chided/hated." Trust me when I tell you (not that you don't know) alot of the international community does so already b/c it was found out that we torture people.

EDIT: I felt I should premptorily add the obligatory "I love my country and still think it's the best in the world, it's just that I think it could be better; a true patriot criticizes and tries to improve....yada yada yada" for all you assholes out there thinking "If ya hate it so much why doncha just leave?" Douchebags.

I know I'll be doing my part to end it come November.

Good points nowell, self-preservation is the strongest instinct there is.
 
With all that being said. I still think I'd have a hard time hating most of the participants. The self preservation thing comes in to play even with the soldiers that manned the camps. Thinking about it a little more, I mean, you join the german military..they ship you off to some camp, tell you it's for "undesirables". You get there, see them executing women, children, maybe even old friends of yours. Once again, your options are do what Hitler wants you to do, or get thrown in a mass grave with the rest of them. While morally conflicted, I would have to go with option A. And I'd feel like complete crap for the rest of my life, but at least I would have that. Personally I don't see what hating someone like that will accomplish. While I might feel a little hesitant towards them, I very highly doubt that they'd let themselves get involved in something like that again.

Now the soldiers who whole heartedly believed that all these people were inferior, undesirable, and needed to be killed..the ones that enjoyed it, those are a different story. That goes beyond just being a nazi to being a fucking terrible person.

As for the torture bit, I'll be doing my part as well. Growing up I'd come to think that we, as a nation, were above those tactics finally. Sometimes it makes me wonder, greatest nation in the world, my ass.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']You may be being facetious myke, but my answer to your question is an emphatic "Hell Yeah!".

Torture is an abomination against humanity and against international law, and any nation, including the people who abide it, does deserve to be "damned/chided/hated." Trust me when I tell you (not that you don't know) alot of the international community does so already b/c it was found out that we torture people.[/quote]

Fair enough. If I do say so (and I do), this is a more relevant issue than Nazi Germany. People who were children during WWII are, at best, in their early 60's at this point, and will be mostly or all dead in a couple decades. People who were (based on age, which is a poor measure, I know) cognizant of what the government was doing at the time (let's say 12 or older?) are now approaching their late 70's. They're 10 years from the grave.

In short, yeah, hate Nazis, but big deal. How much time do we spend hating Huns? They were pretty lousy, too.

EDIT: I felt I should premptorily add the obligatory "I love my country and still think it's the best in the world, it's just that I think it could be better; a true patriot criticizes and tries to improve....yada yada yada" for all you assholes out there thinking "If ya hate it so much why doncha just leave?" Douchebags.
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That's just legitimizing the Sean Hannity "if you criticize the nation you're a socialist pig/scumfuck/non-lapel-pin-wearing-Marxist" crowd. I don't need to tell anyone how much I love this county. If you doubt me, then fuck you for being wrong and an asshole.

EDIT: And just so there's no confusion, Dead Kennedy's "Nazi Punks fuck Off" has more in common with 7 Seconds' "I Hate Sports" than racism. Hell, the song was probably single-handedly about Mike Ness and the Orange County kids.
 
I don't really listen to 7 seconds so the meaning of your edit escapes me. If it's old school punk(NoFX, Rancid, Bad Religion, Dead Kennedys, Misfits, Op Ivy...) I know it, but I can't abide this new crap that belongs on MTV as opposed to Okey Dogs.
 
[quote name='Redie']Germany was in a state of panic and had nothing and nobody to do. Hitler ( renamed ) was a man who admired Germany from afar. Using his family wealth he made an attempt to revitalize Germany from it's crippled state.

This was originally Axis and Allies system that plunged Germany into WWI.
They was just a little country caught between something that is right out of the story of Helen Of Troy.

What is even worst is the whole start of this was by the Black Hand who assinated a Duke who was not even royality to begin with. It was like a big setup which eventually led to the state of which the world is now.

Stop thinking about Naszi Party being a bad thing to begin with and start thinking about how if people had sent some kind of funding to Germany WWII never would have happed.

At the same time think about the good of WWII that was given back to us. Like the fictional material that we play in games and read in comics and novels today.
With no WWII think about how the world would have looked like. Yes we might have no AIDS but we might have no Rockmusic.

Some people would have not been born at all. Think about that.[/quote]
:rofl:
Did anyone actually read this post?! Man, that's some good stuff.
 
[quote name='insertcleverthing']:rofl:
Did anyone actually read this post?! Man, that's some good stuff.[/quote]I read it, rolled my eyes and went on to the next one. Apparently WW2 was our fault because we didn't give Germany any money.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']I read it, rolled my eyes and went on to the next one. Apparently WW2 was our fault because we didn't give Germany any money.[/quote]
But justifiable b/c it makes for great videogames.

Perhaps thats why the Idiot son of an asshole attacked Iraq? Because it would be great video game fodder.
 
My wife is from a country that was fought over by the Nazi's and the Soviets. They were occupied by both at different times. I spent the summer in her country visiting old WW2 bases and museums learning all I could.

In general though, they were both bastards. But the soviets were worse. To them, at least.
 
I remember hearing stories about Nazi forces that had GI's advancing from the west and russians closing in from the east. They'd bolt for the west in the hopes of surrendering to the Americans, which was much better than being captured by the Bolshies.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']I remember hearing stories about Nazi forces that had GI's advancing from the west and russians closing in from the east. They'd bolt for the west in the hopes of surrendering to the Americans, which was much better than being captured by the Bolshies.[/QUOTE]

One could make a very good case for the soviets being worse than the nazi's when it's all said and done (which i won't, because I've beat that drum already).

My wife's grandmother escaped off a train to the gulags in siberia twice. They threw everyone in their naked and they were rarely heard from again. They also rounded up entire churches and burnt them down with everyone inside.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
EDIT: And just so there's no confusion, Dead Kennedy's "Nazi Punks fuck Off" has more in common with 7 Seconds' "I Hate Sports" than racism. Hell, the song was probably single-handedly about Mike Ness and the Orange County kids.[/quote]I'll admit it - this is the first thing I thought of when I saw the thread title.

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NAZZAHPUNKSNAZZAHPUNKSNAZZAHPUNKSfuckOFF!
 
Y'know what would be really funny...? 50 years from now, a young native boy in South America walks up to a 70 year old white lady and says...."You grew up in the now defunct United States?!?!? Why did you kill all those Iraqi's, Iranians, Lebanese, Palestinians, Afghani's, etc, etc...????? Why couldn't you stop it? Why couldn't you throw the entire gov't out?" The lady responds, "I was too busy watching American Idol, surfing Myspace, & clubbing on weekends to really give a damn. It's not my fault!!! I HAD NO CLUE! I tried staying informed! I watched as much CNN & Fox News as I could!"
 
Well see, thats the thing, the American people can't stop this war. Our politicians know most Americans are now against it, but they ignore us. The American government doesn't have a good history of listening to the people when a war becomes unpopular. Just look at how long the Vietnam war lasted, there was way more public uprising over it than the Iraq war, yet the government still dragged it's feet, still ignored the people. It wasn't until it was obvious we couldn't win that we finally pulled out from Vietnam, even then it was too late. The current government is much like a stubborn bulldog, quick to attack and to stubborn to stop. Even though the democrats control congress, they don't have the guts to stop the funding, because then it would look like they "don't support the troops." With an election coming up, they don't want to hurt their party's image.

To sum it up, the American public doesn't have the power to stop this war.
 
So on one hand, we don't like all the "innocent" people dying in this war, which is many people's reasons for hating it. Yet the answer to you all is to just pull out tomorrow and leave everything worse off?

For those of you that cry about American Foreign policy and how the world sees us.... that move would be the worst towards that of all.

It's ok to be anti-war. But I have a hard time listening to anyone that doesn't have some productive solutions for ending a war that leaves everything off better than it was, not worse.
 
There is no way for us to leave Iraq better off than it was before, if it were possible, it would take years and frankly i'm not willing to stay that long. Besides it's my opinion that we're doing more harm than good in Iraq, i don't see us leaving as being much worse.

Look at the Vietnam example again, that war lasted 16 years and we left Vietnam no better off than it was before. There was no way to leave Vietnam better off than it was and i believe Iraq is in the same situation. I don't want America still stuck in a unwinable war 16 years from now. This war is costing us billions and younger generations will be the ones to pay for it. Besides what is right for the Iraqis, our own government has to (or at least should) think of what is right for us.

It would be great if we could leave Iraq in a stable and peaceful situation, but i really don't think we're capable of pulling that off. We don't have a great track record of leaving places better off than they were before.


And another thread is derailed.
 
Republican attends a Hitler's birthday celebration

Ok, I never post in here, but damn if this didn't catch my eye.

I see lots of comments on Digg about how "he being a Republican has nothing to do with this." So if someone could kindly explain to me how an elected official attending a celebration for Hitler is somehow not relevant, I'd really appreciate it, because right now I'm having a hard time looking past the fact that some douche in public office has such clearly pronounced ties to - at the very least - the idea of racial persecution (by proxy at LEAST).

But I don't really do politics. I fear my hatred of just about everything I hear from it is going to kill me one day when blood just starts pouring out of my ears. So if anyone could give me some insight, I'd appreciate it.

This seemed like the appropriate topic, by the way.
 
[quote name='Strell']I see lots of comments on Digg about how "he being a Republican has nothing to do with this." So if someone could kindly explain to me how an elected official attending a celebration for Hitler is somehow not relevant, I'd really appreciate it, because right now I'm having a hard time looking past the fact that some douche in public office has such clearly pronounced ties to - at the very least - the idea of racial persecution (by proxy at LEAST).[/quote]

He hasn't been elected by anyone - a quick Google search would turn up that he's a wacko lawyer campaigning for the Republican nomination to congress. In fact, a Republican Party official had the following to say about it (from a USAToday article):
“The ‘R’ next to Tony Zirkle’s name does not stand for Republican. It stands for ‘repulsive,'" Chris Riley, St. Joseph County GOP chairman, tells WSBT-TV. "The Republican Party stands for two basic principles: individual freedom and government accountability. Nazi socialism and fascism is the polar opposite of those two principles so for him to align himself with this puts him at the opposite end of the political spectrum from Republicans. And the visual images of Tony Zirkle standing in front of a Nazi flag are nauseating and repulsive."
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Ahhhhh. That makes sense. Thank you sir. Not really reading much into the article, it sounded like he was already in office somewheres, but that's not the case so I feel better now.
 
Man, I thought Strell's post said "Republican attends Hilary's birthday celebration." That made for a confusing few posts.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']Well there you have it, even the oppressive Republicans hate Nazis![/QUOTE]

After observing your post pattern for a while, I went ahead and made you some time saving cut and pastes you can use from now on to save your fingers some trouble. If you need any more, let me know. ;)

"Republican bad. Democrat good."
"Republican bad. Democrat good."
"Republican bad. Democrat good."
"Republican bad. Democrat good."
"Republican bad. Democrat good."
"Republican bad. Democrat good."
"Republican bad. Democrat good."
"Republican bad. Democrat good."
"Republican bad. Democrat good."
"Republican bad. Democrat good."
"Republican bad. Democrat good."
 
Glad to see that you can spot over-exageration when you see it thrustbucket.

IMO, any douchebag that has their mind made up on an issue, before they hear the issue, is a moron.

Now if you replace "Republican" with "Bush" you pretty much have my views nailed! OTOH, I am more socially liberal and fiscally conservative so I don't always agree with Dems.

The world is not black and white thrust. You shouldn't view it that way.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']
The world is not black and white thrust. You shouldn't view it that way.[/QUOTE]

I don't. You should know I don't, if you had read the post to you in the other thread I spent an hour on.

You always make it sound like you see the world as black and white, glad to hear you claim you don't.
 
I wondered about this topic when I was little, being the young history nerd that I was. Being 50% Jewish/Russian (don't want to get into the whole, how can you be 50% Jew thing, so I'll settle it by informing that I'm an atheist with family that are Russian and their faith is invariably Jewish), I felt like I had a right to be angry at Germany and the German people. "How could they allow that to happen? Didn't they see it coming?" I often wondered, and then I matured and realized the foolishness of my thinking.

The other half of my ancestry is Italian, and my grandfather served Italy during WWII. Yeah, he was with the Fascists and Nazis. However, like my grandfather, I'm sure many Italian soldiers (I cannot speak for the German or Japanese)
were intimately distrustful and resentful of the Axis group. My grandfather went AWOL ultimately, since he could not stand it anymore. He did not support Fascism and he longed to be in America. Should I have hated him for, before going AWOL, furthering the Axis's chains of war? That's an easy question for me to answer, since he was my grandfather and I loved him (RIP) dearly. The harder question to answer, though, is 'was he accountable for his actions?' I feel confident, at least for his situation, that I would not hold him at fault. He was stripped from his home in Sicily his early teenage years, sent all the way north to Venice to learn engineering, and spent his military career in a boat working cables or something. Did he have a choice? No, not really, not at that point anyways. He had a choice when he went AWOL and I applaud him for doing that.

I extended that process to the rest of Germany. I'm sure not 100% of the soldiers were cognizant and supportive of their Nazi overlords. And for those that were supportive, I think most of them felt that way because of the Nazi regime giving Germany a new hope as opposed to the Weimar Republic who failed their people. Besides, for their blemishes, German culture is still great and should be appreciated, the nation is still beautiful. "Forgive, but not forget" is the important phrase to remember. Forgive the Germans for their transgressions (except those that enjoyed it, those that were just simply horrible people), but never allow something like Nazism to happen again. To be honest, I'm more angry with America for just sitting on the sidelines watching Hitler take over Austria with his whole Lebensraum thing.

Besides, Germany has awesome techno \\:D/

Also, I feel like your quote analogy is a bit off. Jews and social democrats are not pimps, prostitutes, and other various social offenders. I guess my beef then is with NoFX's reasoning. Just because we lock up the offenders, doesn't lead us to locking up good people.
 
i have 1/8 german-jew blood. tho my jewish descendants came to america in the early 1900's. i think the german people should have known what the hell was going on. Hitler's basic message, was like "GERMANS ARE SUPERIOR TO ALL, JOIN ME FOR A NEW HOPE". he was at the right place at the right time. the jews, the minority they were their to blame for all german mishaps ala.. WWI economy ETC. w/e. You know you gotta blame somebody (u know blaming somebody for ur problems like some people in america today) tho, if you look at the jewish population in germany compared to the jewish population in Poland u can see that their were so many more jews in Poland. Im sure if ur german relative or w/e didn't live near jews or in an area with jews/gypies etc. he wouldn't have noticed anything. You gotta ask what part of germany he lived in... If their were still nazis I wouldn't be here. i would of never been born and the rest of u guys would have been speaking the language of the Deusthland.
 
Last night I spoke with my dad and his cousin about this topic. When they were young, they knew quite a few people with concentration camp tattoos still on their arms. These folks nowadays are mostly dead or just about. Regardless, they said three little words that sum up what I beleive to be a good, and if anything Amoral stance on this issue. I don't know if it has been mentioned in this thread yet but it is this:

Forgive but don't forget.

BTW, they agreed that for the most part people knew what was going on. I think most Germans nowadays would even admit that most people knew what was going on. They might not have known about the gas chambers and ovens, but they knew about the camps and disappearances.

My father was dating a German woman a fear years back, and they visited Dakow together. On the walls of the camp they had newspaper on the wall. My father doesn't speak german so she read it to him: it showed two men swimming in a lake and the caption said something like "Two men enjoying an afternoon in the concentration camp." Keep in mind that "concentration camp" did not have the prejorative term that it assumed after the Nazis abominations pretty much changed the definition.

She said "Bullshit, and even then people knew it was bullshit."
 
My friend-girl's dad is a nazi...
he is also in the KKK and some other cult organizations
they mostly live off food stamps
their doing better now since i helped her get off drugs
hes also making her drop out next year to carry her sisters child (her sis is a highschool dropout and if she were to give birth she would die)
so no matter what i do, her life is ruined and i feel bad
 
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