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LATEST UPDATE: Problem fixed with one of the firmware updates.

UPDATE 2: Uh, oh.

 Unfortunately, when you do the auto-setup for HDMI listed below, it switches both video and audio (and tells you it's doing so) to HDMI.
Changing the audio settings to optical out from HDMI will negate the auto-setup that was performed, making it not possible to run HDMI video and make use of the optical audio out.

Since I am relying on the auto-setup for HDMI (like I do), this is a pretty big issue, as I can't run Dolby Digital now.




UPDATE: A fix!!!!

courtesy of blitz6speed from AVSforums
Ive learned that there is a auto HDMI setup built into the PS3. They say to do the following:

Turn on TV and set input to HDMI port being used
Make sure PS3 is connected via HDMI
Power on PS3 via power button and HOLD IT for 5 seconds. It should automagically configure your PS3 to the TV's native res for all settings.
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXefPf4m8Vo[/media] Ok, I received my Japanese 60GB PS3 today and I am having an issue.
Maybe you guys have some ideas.




EDIT: just posted this on the AVS Forum.

I've got the PS3 connected (via HDMI) to a Panasonic 42" plasma, model number TH-42PX500 (Japanese TV).
The PS3 is set to output to 720p, which my TV can handle.

Everything is fine until I launch a PS3 game. Once I do that, after the "Playstation 3" logo appears, the screen goes black. The game is loading fine, I just cant see it.

The only way I can regain control of my TV at this point is to tune into the regular TV channels using my TV remote. Only then I can use the input selection button to get back to HDMI. Once I do this, I can see and play the game.

My guess is that the PS3 is sending some kind of signal through the HDMI cable that is making the TV unhappy. The strange thing is, I tried a PS1 game and it worked fine.



Any ideas?
Just for fun, I tried 1080i and seems the PS3 treats it the same as 420i. It looked terrible.

Methinks we are going to see a lot of PS3 updates in the near future.
 
[quote name='zewone']Probably a stupid question, but have you tried playing with the composite cables?[/quote]

Hell no.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Hell no.[/quote]

How dare you zewone! :shock: That's backwards thinking. That's like going back to chiseling on stone tablets.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']Your PS3 is defective. Promptly send it to me for service and I'll see what I can do to fix it.[/quote]

I loled at this. Good luck with that george foreman grill...I don't think it was made for tvs.
 
When the PS3 is plugged in and turned on do you get a picture? If so it could be like when you try to display an invalid resolution on a monitor and it goes dark until the default resolution is set. Since I have no PS3 to examine, and this may be impossible or you may have already tried it or it could be just a dumb suggestion, but maybe you have to set up the resolution on the PS3 (through an options menu on the PS3(if that even exists)) and also on your TV. Also it could have something to do with progressive scan not initiating when the game starts. Again I know nothing about the PS3 in terms of how to set it up and if none of this makes sense feel free to flame away.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Ok, I received my Japanese 60GB PS3 today and I am having an issue.
Maybe you guys have some ideas. If not, I'll repost this on the AVS Forum.

I've got the PS3 connected (via HDMI) to a Panasonic 42" plasma, model number TH-42PX500 (Japanese TV).
The PS3 is set to output to 720p, which my TV can handle.

Everything is fine until I launch a PS3 game. When I do, the screen goes black. The game is loading fine, I just cant see it.

My guess is that the PS3 is sending some kind of signal through the HDMI cable that is making the TV unhappy. I can't even use the usual input selection on the remote to regain control of the TV. I have to tune into the regular TV channels to get the TV to respond and then I can use the input selection button to get back to HDMI.

Once I do this, all is well.

Any ideas?
Just for fun, I tried 1080i and seems the PS3 treats it the same as 420i. It looked terrible.

Methinks we are going to see a lot of PS3 updates in the near future.[/quote]

Does your TV support HDMI 1.3? If it is 1.1, then it might not work right.

Do you have a component cable and component input on your TV to test that functionality?

Earlier, it was mentioned that the 1.3 spec in the PS3 includes expanded audio support that may introduce greater noise into TVs that don't support it.

I dunno, I'd try using the component ports and just pipe the audio via TOS link to your HT, if that's possible.
 
If you can make it through the broken English, it sounds like someone else was having a similar problem.

ok here with new info i discovered!

first of all. if you have a hdtv monitor that can handle 1080p. here is a tip.

you need first to connect the analog cables that come with the ps3 and the hdmi cable to the minotor. when you start up your ps3 make sure that in system settings you change to hdmi.

then change the setting on the benq monitor to hdmi. only this way it works.

somehow the monitors dont automaticly understand the hdmi signal and it wont work. this left me with big problems. because now my ps3 monitor has hdmi as signal. and i cant get it back to 480i again on my other monitor.

also i tried with different cables from hdmi to dvi doesnt work. i also tried setting 1080i. still not work.

also i updated to firmware 1.10 and loadtimes still same. nothing imporved for me on kingdom of heaven.

i cant try yet 8 below and corpse bride on the ps3 yet. because i gave them to my friend to watch. i will get them back tommorow or monday.

also in the ps3 you cant change settings to 1080p 24 frames a second or 1080p 60 hz. so we can asume for this moment that it only does 1080p 60hz. you can only select 1080p.

anyway today i had very little time to check out on the plasma tv with samsung bluray player. and compare that to ps3 as bluray player. but i will do that tommorow.

now me is going home dead tired and getting some sleep.
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Edit: Read through this thread, you may be able to find your solution there: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=748982&page=1&pp=30
 
Thanks for the suggestions.
I've tried them all (except using cables other than HDMI) to no avail. I don't know what version HDMI my TV has...I bought it exactly 1 year ago.

I'm pretty sure that my model is a very popular TV here in Japan...I'm wondering if others are having the same issue.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Thanks for the suggestions.
I've tried them all (except using cables other than HDMI) to no avail. I don't know what version HDMI my TV has...I bought it exactly 1 year ago.

I'm pretty sure that my model is a very popular TV here in Japan...I'm wondering if others are having the same issue.[/quote]I guess if you currently have Ps2 component cables you can use those to try it, but sorry cheapy I know that sucks your having that problem. I'm sure others are having issues.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Thanks for the suggestions.
I've tried them all (except using cables other than HDMI) to no avail. I don't know what version HDMI my TV has...I bought it exactly 1 year ago.

I'm pretty sure that my model is a very popular TV here in Japan...I'm wondering if others are having the same issue.[/QUOTE]




Try playing a dvd, or blue ray movie.. just to see what works and doesn't work. Oh yeah, you're not trying to play a US game are you, cause that might cause a problem due to the regional lock out.
 
Cheapy, I think HDMI cables are "forwards compatible" meaning if you have a 1.1 HDMI connection it should still work with a 1.3 cable or whatever. I'm sure you tried this already but maybe playing with the settings in the XMB will help. Is there a physical switch on the back of the PS3 to enable the HDMI port? I feel bad - this would piss me off to no end if I couldn't get my new $600 PS3 to work.

Quick question - Is your plasma hanging on the wall? Mine is and to access the HDMI cable I think I have to take it down and that makes me very very nervous.
 
[quote name='zewone']Probably a stupid question, but have you tried playing with the composite cables?[/quote]


come on now
that like saying he let me look at the mona lisa with a fork jabbed into my eye:drool:
 
do you have any neighbors or friends nearby with an HDMI TV?

try taking the PS3 to their place and see if you get the same results.

btw, i didnt know the PS3 had a built in Internet browser... can you play flash games through the browser? also, can you save or run .exe files / mp3 files / emulators?

ps, will you be picking up a Wii?
 
I know with my HD-DVD player, sometimes the system will boot up and the colors will be all red and I'll have to switch to a different video signal and back to HDMI to get it to work. I would also wonder if something is "timing out," perhaps the TV itself, as the PS3 tries to make its handshake with your TV, but it doesn't sound like it's taking that long to boot up.
You might want to check your TV and see if it has any settings for how long it looks for a signal because mine does.
Otherwise, I wouldn't know what to say other than HDMI often has issues. My brother's DirecTV only rarely works with HDMI plugged in, and like I said I've had some issues with the bootup of my HD-DVD player.
Good luck.
 
At least you can work around it and get back to the game.

It almost sounds like the PS3 is trying to output at a higher resolution than 720p (1080p?) by default when the game loads. Then again, Resistance runs at 720p, I'm not sure what resolution Genji supports. It just seems like it could be a resolution issue since older Playstation games work fine. Those games are not being upscaled

Have you tried loading a PS3 game while your TV is tuned to a regular channel and then switching back to the HDMI input? I know that is pretty much what you are having to do now, but it would avoid one extra step that you are having to do.
 
I have the Panny EDTV with DVI (so, no HDMI, no 720p or 1080p for me) and I recall something with mixing input signals in some combination. I'm sorry to be so vague. Maybe try removing all the other inputs to the Panny except for the PS3 and seeing if that works. Other than that, it could be a number of things. Maybe try 1080i over component. Panny plasmas are very popular everywhere, so hopefully someone someplace will have a workaround.

And, thanks for the video, and the site, Cheapy!
 
This is awfully confusing.

I need to consult a iGrill for this one...
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Sorry to hear that, Cheapy. This makes me want to wait even longer to get a PS3. Did you try calling a help line, maybe? Knowing Sony, they'll probably tell you to go buy a Sony TV ;)
I guess thats what happens when you get something before everyone else in the world :whistle2:(
 
Eeep this blows.
Maybe downgrade for the time being till someone finds a solution to your problem :(
Or buy a Sony TV j/k
 
Sony is copying off of Microsoft AGAIN, w/ the fall update some 360's wouldn't output anything, now the PS3 is outputing anything........



SMH @ sony
 
[quote name='anomynous']Sony is copying off of Microsoft AGAIN, w/ the fall update some 360's wouldn't output anything, now the PS3 is outputing anything........



SMH @ sony[/quote]

Sony copies Microsoft and Microsoft copies Apple. If thats not a definition of irony I don't know what is.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Thanks for the suggestions.
I've tried them all (except using cables other than HDMI) to no avail. I don't know what version HDMI my TV has...I bought it exactly 1 year ago.

I'm pretty sure that my model is a very popular TV here in Japan...I'm wondering if others are having the same issue.[/QUOTE]
There is no way your TV is HDMI 1.3.....those TVs won't be out till the EARLIEST late this year or early next year. The PS3 HDMI is 1.3 to accomodate the new Dolby codecs.
NOw the question is if your TV is HDMI 1.1 or 1.2.......I've encountered alot more issues with HDMI 1.1 than 1.2.....which thankfully Phillips remedied with their convenient Firmware upgrades.

If you are lucky....hopefully your TV is able to upgrade the firmware.....all of my HDTVs have this option (HITACHI mails you an SD/FLASH Card.....Phillips has built-in USB port for such things).

HUGE MISTAKE by SONY if in their attempts to rush the PS3 to market that they didn't guarantee that the 1080P via HDMI they have been touting didn't work automatically with TVs from major makers. Because there are going to be ALOT of angry owners if this thing doesn't work like butter out of the box when they connect to their newly purchased 1080P sets......Can you imagine??
 
[quote name='supergrass']I know with my HD-DVD player, sometimes the system will boot up and the colors will be all red and I'll have to switch to a different video signal and back to HDMI to get it to work. I would also wonder if something is "timing out," perhaps the TV itself, as the PS3 tries to make its handshake with your TV, but it doesn't sound like it's taking that long to boot up.
You might want to check your TV and see if it has any settings for how long it looks for a signal because mine does.
Otherwise, I wouldn't know what to say other than HDMI often has issues. My brother's DirecTV only rarely works with HDMI plugged in, and like I said I've had some issues with the bootup of my HD-DVD player.
Good luck.[/QUOTE]
This is true....if you read AVS Forums.....from DVD Players to Cable Boxes sooo many people often have to upgrade firmware on their HDTVs to fix HDMI issues.

its amazing to see how many issues a "Standard" has had so early in its history......heck they are alreayd on the 3rd revision (1.3)...how long did it take for USB 1.1 to goto 2.0??
 
[quote name='javeryh']Cheapy, I think HDMI cables are "forwards compatible" meaning if you have a 1.1 HDMI connection it should still work with a 1.3 cable or whatever.[/QUOTE]

It absolutely should work. If it is an HDMI issue, Sony probably did something wrong that needs an update.

You need to try it with other cables. I know it looks like ass but finding out what's working and what isn't is more important at this point. Also try another TV if possible.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Cheapy, I think HDMI cables are "forwards compatible" meaning if you have a 1.1 HDMI connection it should still work with a 1.3 cable or whatever.[/QUOTE]

It absolutely should work. If it is an HDMI issue, Sony probably did something wrong that needs an update.

You need to try it with other cables. I know it looks like ass but finding out what's working and what isn't is more important at this point. Also try another TV if possible.
 
well, it could also be a "soft reset" type function between the bootup and game load. so it boots at your current res, blanks out to allow the games resolution to take over (if different to allow for up/downscaling) and the tv doesn't like the switch.
 
[quote name='ashram']well, it could also be a "soft reset" type function between the bootup and game load. so it boots at your current res, blanks out to allow the games resolution to take over (if different to allow for up/downscaling) and the tv doesn't like the switch.[/quote]

This sounds like the most likely explanation.
Remember, I can play the games fine once I regain control of my TV and switch back to the HDMI input.

My TV actually has a LAN connection. I bet I can get a firmware update (with Mrs Cheapy's translating help) using that.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']This sounds like the most likely explanation.
Remember, I can play the games fine once I regain control of my TV and switch back to the HDMI input.

My TV actually has a LAN connection. I bet I can get a firmware update (with Mrs Cheapy's translating help) using that.[/quote]

I'm not sure if there's a firmware available that addresses your specific problem yet. I'd wait a bit before applying any current firmwares unless you are absolutely sure it fixes it. I don't know if it's worth obtaining a set of component cables, but it would probably confirm that the issue is definitely with the way the TV or the PS3 handles HDMI.

I also wouldn't rule out that it's the PS3 that is confusing your TV.
 
[quote name='gunm']I'm not sure if there's a firmware available that addresses your specific problem yet. I'd wait a bit before applying any current firmwares unless you are absolutely sure it fixes it. I don't know if it's worth obtaining a set of component cables, but it would probably confirm that the issue is definitely with the way the TV or the PS3 handles HDMI.

I also wouldn't rule out that it's the PS3 that is confusing your TV.[/QUOTE]

I think he means firmware for his tv
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Not trying to be rude, but :rofl: Obviously the PS3 is trying to link up with SkyNet.[/quote]

:lol: of course... the ps3 must take over the world...
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Tried it with my component cables...definitely an HDMI issue.[/quote]


component or composite? how does it look?
 
[quote name='pete5883']How many burgers were in it at the time?[/QUOTE]

And you know not to use any third-party grease rakes, right?
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Tried it with my component cables...definitely an HDMI issue.[/QUOTE]

CheapyD have you tried selecting different video output resolutions on the PS3's settings? Try 1080i for instance (which I'm sure your Plasma supports) and see if the issue remains.
 
Sounds like an HDMI HDCP "handshake" issue to me. Stupid copyright protection frequently causes HDMI issues (Component doesn't have HDCP). Methinks Sony will need to put out an update.
 
[quote name='Milkyman']I think he means firmware for his tv[/quote]

Right, that's what he means. I'm saying I don't think there's any firmware available yet for his TV that is going to address this specific issue.

[quote name='Jazar']CheapyD have you tried selecting different video output resolutions on the PS3's settings? Try 1080i for instance (which I'm sure your Plasma supports) and see if the issue remains.[/quote]

Yeah, he tried that--see earlier in this thread.

It's a problem with the way either the TV or the PS3 handles HDMI.

I'm not sure it's the HDCP per se, since he is able to display the game from the PS3 if he toggles his TV to the tuner first, but the whole standard has flaws, so who knows. He can play from component for now until this whole thing is sorted out.
 
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