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'Help needed' to save great apes
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[quote name='Sleepkyng']goddamnit, can't you ever post good news?[/QUOTE]
Well, there was that one about a sunni who lost his life trying to save as many shias as he could in Irag (when the bridge collapsed). But, then again, the death may take away from the good news.
Well, there was that one about a sunni who lost his life trying to save as many shias as he could in Irag (when the bridge collapsed). But, then again, the death may take away from the good news.
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We've got enough locked in cages for our research needs, don't worry about it.
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[quote name='zionoverfire']We've got enough locked in cages for our research needs, don't worry about it.[/QUOTE]
sarcasm?
sarcasm?
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[quote name='alonzomourning23']sarcasm?[/QUOTE]
No, truth.
Africa is a pretty
ed up place, staying out of the area in general is a good idea. Besides we already have the middle east to worry about, oil is important apes are not.
No, truth.
Africa is a pretty
ed up place, staying out of the area in general is a good idea. Besides we already have the middle east to worry about, oil is important apes are not.that's true, apes aren't important... wildlife in general should take a backseat. I mean, , what has it ever done for us? I can't drive my GMC Yukon to the Wal-Mart using ferrets and chimps for fuel.
christ, Zo, grow the up man. Apes? What the do apes do? They just roam around, n' eat n' shit.
Open that mothering Alaska up and let's tap that shit. Daddy needs a new Dodge Ram 2500.
, what has it ever done for us? I can't drive my GMC Yukon to the Wal-Mart using ferrets and chimps for fuel.christ, Zo, grow the
up man. Apes? What the do apes do? They just roam around, n' eat n' shit. Open that mother
ing Alaska up and let's tap that shit. Daddy needs a new Dodge Ram 2500.
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[quote name='Sleepkyng']that's true, apes aren't important... wildlife in general should take a backseat. I mean, , what has it ever done for us? I can't drive my GMC Yukon to the Wal-Mart using ferrets and chimps for fuel.
christ, Zo, grow the up man. Apes? What the do apes do? They just roam around, n' eat n' shit.
Open that mothering Alaska up and let's tap that shit. Daddy needs a new Dodge Ram 2500.[/QUOTE]
More civil than my response would be.
, what has it ever done for us? I can't drive my GMC Yukon to the Wal-Mart using ferrets and chimps for fuel.christ, Zo, grow the
up man. Apes? What the do apes do? They just roam around, n' eat n' shit. Open that mother
ing Alaska up and let's tap that shit. Daddy needs a new Dodge Ram 2500.[/QUOTE]More civil than my response would be.
it, we're just a bunch of tree huggin' liberals who don't care about You and Me. And Africa!? Who the
wants to help out africa for ANYTHING? I mean South Africa is on the brink of setting the example for what a multicultural democracy could be like. WHY THE WOULD WE WANT TO HELP THAT!?It's not like Uganda and Ethiopia have overcome serious crisises in the 50s-80s to become fairly stable with very little outside help (because like most of You and Me, we don't give a shit, but we love our live aid concerts or whatever the
) and help show the first glimpse of a war torn continent - plauged by centuries of western and eastern oppression, aids, poverty and racism - is on the upturn.yeah,
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[quote name='Sleepkyng'] I mean South Africa is on the brink of setting the example for what a multicultural democracy could be like. WHY THE WOULD WE WANT TO HELP THAT!?
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Yes....SA the shinning star of multicultural democracy, perhaps we should take a trip down memory lane.:lol:
Africa is on the whole not worthy of our attention, let me know when they discover oil there.
Oh and if you want to blame someone for Africa go blame the Europeans, it's 90% their fault, let them clean it up instead of just bitching about the problem.
WOULD WE WANT TO HELP THAT!?[/QUOTE]
Yes....SA the shinning star of multicultural democracy, perhaps we should take a trip down memory lane.:lol:
Africa is on the whole not worthy of our attention, let me know when they discover oil there.
Oh and if you want to blame someone for Africa go blame the Europeans, it's 90% their fault, let them clean it up instead of just bitching about the problem.
yeah, perhaps we should take a trip down memory lane -
1959
The parliament passed new laws extending racial segregation bycreating separate bantustans, or homelands, for South Africa's majorblack groups.
1960
Black protests against apartheid reached a pea! k wh en in anincident called sharpeville massacre, police killed 69 people.
1962
Nelson Mandela was arrested & sentenced to life imprisonment
1965
Rhodesia gained its independence. Only whites were represented inthe new government.
1974
Because of apartheid the country was expelled from united nations.
1976
More than 600 students were killed in Soweto and Sharpeville.
1977
The leader of the protests, Steve Biko, was killed in policecustody.
1980
Zimbabwe gains independence. After, sporadic outbursts ofviolence.
1981
The Dumbutshena Report is commissioned by the government toinvestigate events surrounding the Entumbane uprising
1982
CCJP sends a confidential report to the prime minister expressingconcern at army excesses. Government reinstates the Indemnity andCompensation Bill first us! ed in 1975, granting immunity fromprosecution to government a gencies.
1983
The government allows farmers to re-arm, to protect themselvesfrom dissidents.
1984
It is declared that since 1983, dissidents have murdered 120,mutilated 25, raped 47, and committed 284 robberies.
1986
ZIPRA commanders in jail for 4 years are released.
1987
It is announced at a rally in Bulawayo that Unity is imminent.
1988
An Amnesty is announced for all dissidents, and 122 surrender.
1990
The state of Emergency is not renewed.
1990
De Klerk lifted the ban outlawing theAfrican National Congress(ANC).
1990
De Klerk frees Mandela from prison.
1991
Nelson Mandela became President of theANC
1991
International Olympics Committee lifted a 21 year ban barringSouth African athletes from Olympic Games.
1994
Nelson Mandela is inaugurated as President of South Africa.
So, what we have here is a complete handing over of power from the dominant Afrikaaners to the "Blacks" and a new government formed where all races are allowed to vote and participate. Two races that were bitterly forced against eachother for over 100 years manage to create a structure of government that nutures racial harmony instead of a civil war (ya know, like ours).
Yes, there are lots of problems in South Africa, but at least there Black people aren't ignored and allowed to drown.
Since 1994, more than 8 million SA blacks have moved above the poverty line contrary to our lower class and miniorities who are experiencing some of the worst poverty increases since the great depression.
1959
The parliament passed new laws extending racial segregation bycreating separate bantustans, or homelands, for South Africa's majorblack groups.
1960
Black protests against apartheid reached a pea! k wh en in anincident called sharpeville massacre, police killed 69 people.
1962
Nelson Mandela was arrested & sentenced to life imprisonment
1965
Rhodesia gained its independence. Only whites were represented inthe new government.
1974
Because of apartheid the country was expelled from united nations.
1976
More than 600 students were killed in Soweto and Sharpeville.
1977
The leader of the protests, Steve Biko, was killed in policecustody.
1980
Zimbabwe gains independence. After, sporadic outbursts ofviolence.
1981
The Dumbutshena Report is commissioned by the government toinvestigate events surrounding the Entumbane uprising
1982
CCJP sends a confidential report to the prime minister expressingconcern at army excesses. Government reinstates the Indemnity andCompensation Bill first us! ed in 1975, granting immunity fromprosecution to government a gencies.
1983
The government allows farmers to re-arm, to protect themselvesfrom dissidents.
1984
It is declared that since 1983, dissidents have murdered 120,mutilated 25, raped 47, and committed 284 robberies.
1986
ZIPRA commanders in jail for 4 years are released.
1987
It is announced at a rally in Bulawayo that Unity is imminent.
1988
An Amnesty is announced for all dissidents, and 122 surrender.
1990
The state of Emergency is not renewed.
1990
De Klerk lifted the ban outlawing theAfrican National Congress(ANC).
1990
De Klerk frees Mandela from prison.
1991
Nelson Mandela became President of theANC
1991
International Olympics Committee lifted a 21 year ban barringSouth African athletes from Olympic Games.
1994
Nelson Mandela is inaugurated as President of South Africa.
So, what we have here is a complete handing over of power from the dominant Afrikaaners to the "Blacks" and a new government formed where all races are allowed to vote and participate. Two races that were bitterly forced against eachother for over 100 years manage to create a structure of government that nutures racial harmony instead of a civil war (ya know, like ours).
Yes, there are lots of problems in South Africa, but at least there Black people aren't ignored and allowed to drown.
Since 1994, more than 8 million SA blacks have moved above the poverty line contrary to our lower class and miniorities who are experiencing some of the worst poverty increases since the great depression.
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[quote name='Sleepkyng']
So, what we have here is a complete handing over of power from the dominant Afrikaaners to the "Blacks" and a new government formed where all races are allowed to vote and participate. Two races that were bitterly forced against eachother for over 100 years manage to create a structure of government that nutures racial harmony instead of a civil war (ya know, like ours).
Yes, there are lots of problems in South Africa, but at least there Black people aren't ignored and allowed to drown.
Since 1994, more than 8 million SA blacks have moved above the poverty line contrary to our lower class and miniorities who are experiencing some of the worst poverty increases since the great depression.[/QUOTE]
It's always funny when people put up timelines that end 10 years ago.:lol:
South Africa has a long long way to go towards equality and as far as the hurricane is concerned Bush doesn't care because they are poor and Democratic. If it had been a city of poor white democrats he wouldn't have given a shit either.
So, what we have here is a complete handing over of power from the dominant Afrikaaners to the "Blacks" and a new government formed where all races are allowed to vote and participate. Two races that were bitterly forced against eachother for over 100 years manage to create a structure of government that nutures racial harmony instead of a civil war (ya know, like ours).
Yes, there are lots of problems in South Africa, but at least there Black people aren't ignored and allowed to drown.
Since 1994, more than 8 million SA blacks have moved above the poverty line contrary to our lower class and miniorities who are experiencing some of the worst poverty increases since the great depression.[/QUOTE]
It's always funny when people put up timelines that end 10 years ago.:lol:
South Africa has a long long way to go towards equality and as far as the hurricane is concerned Bush doesn't care because they are poor and Democratic. If it had been a city of poor white democrats he wouldn't have given a shit either.
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I say we take everyone out of Africa and make it one huge protected area everyone would be better off.
On a more serious note, something has to be done because many species are being hunt to extinction. It would be horrible world to live in if you were to take kids or grandkids to a Zoo and shows the Gorillas and for them to learn that Zoos are the only place you will see this gentle animal so closely related to us. We have a tendency as humans to put nature last but a lot of our problems could be solved by working with Nature. The hurricane would have been much less severe if there were more natural barriers such as the wetlands and the those small islands off the cost. We fucK nature, we get fucKed by it in the long run. We need to stop taking the cheaper quick solution and finally start taking the longer more expensive route
On a more serious note, something has to be done because many species are being hunt to extinction. It would be horrible world to live in if you were to take kids or grandkids to a Zoo and shows the Gorillas and for them to learn that Zoos are the only place you will see this gentle animal so closely related to us. We have a tendency as humans to put nature last but a lot of our problems could be solved by working with Nature. The hurricane would have been much less severe if there were more natural barriers such as the wetlands and the those small islands off the cost. We fucK nature, we get fucKed by it in the long run. We need to stop taking the cheaper quick solution and finally start taking the longer more expensive route
[quote name='zionoverfire']It's always funny when people put up timelines that end 10 years ago.:lol:
South Africa has a long long way to go towards equality and as far as the hurricane is concerned Bush doesn't care because they are poor and Democratic. If it had been a city of poor white democrats he wouldn't have given a shit either.[/QUOTE]
ah, you're from Yakima, that explains it.
I'm sure you know a lot about South Africa.
South Africa has a long long way to go towards equality and as far as the hurricane is concerned Bush doesn't care because they are poor and Democratic. If it had been a city of poor white democrats he wouldn't have given a shit either.[/QUOTE]
ah, you're from Yakima, that explains it.
I'm sure you know a lot about South Africa.
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[quote name='Ikohn4ever']I say we take everyone out of Africa and make it one huge protected area everyone would be better off.
On a more serious note, something has to be done because many species are being hunt to extinction. It would be horrible world to live in if you were to take kids or grandkids to a Zoo and shows the Gorillas and for them to learn that Zoos are the only place you will see this gentle animal so closely related to us. We have a tendency as humans to put nature last but a lot of our problems could be solved by working with Nature. The hurricane would have been much less severe if there were more natural barriers such as the wetlands and the those small islands off the cost. We fucK nature, we get fucKed by it in the long run. We need to stop taking the cheaper quick solution and finally start taking the longer more expensive route[/QUOTE]
My thing is great apes are the easiest to explain, their mental capacity is the most evident. You can show chickens being beaten and boiled alive in factories, but some just don't care what happens because they're chickens and "stupid". If you have an animal, like a chimp or bonobo, that is equal or superior to 4 year old pre school children, I don't understand that. If you have another animal that can learn human language, teach human language, form new words, pass on culture, create tools, and on a darker side do things like fight prolonged wars (not just sudden conflict, goodall documented a particularly bitter relationship with another chimpanzee tribe that produced multiple conflicts and prolonged fighting and was slowly exterminated by the one she was with), I don't understand logic like zions towards them. If another animal can enter the realm of human intelligence, then it's on the same level (and there have been efforts in the scientific community for some, particularly chimps and bonobos, to be categorized as human). Without applying some divine form of human uniqueness or rejection of humans as animals (unfounded scientifically), it doesn't make sense to me.
But, on africa, conscious racism or not, it seems that many people still think of africans in much the same way people used to think of blacks. Now it's not so much that they're inferior because they're blacks, but because they're african. And on slaves, people often dismiss it as a european issue, but it's like drugs, which one is more to blame, the supply or the demand? Demand is going to increase the supply. That, along with colonization, has had ripple effects that exist to this day. Previously, while horrendous, the slave trade existed more as the results of war (and not war caused solely for the capture of slaves, which happened because of the demand from the americas). It utilized what was there, slavery was practiced in africa and it essentially purchased and worked on a smaller, sustainable scale. The combination of an ideology of a complete and total white superiority (and later "white mans burden") and the overwhelming demand in the americas caused the destruction of the african societies that had existed. It became like columbia, where the drug trade became so massive (plus american responce and the drug gangs) that it destroyed the country.
On a more serious note, something has to be done because many species are being hunt to extinction. It would be horrible world to live in if you were to take kids or grandkids to a Zoo and shows the Gorillas and for them to learn that Zoos are the only place you will see this gentle animal so closely related to us. We have a tendency as humans to put nature last but a lot of our problems could be solved by working with Nature. The hurricane would have been much less severe if there were more natural barriers such as the wetlands and the those small islands off the cost. We fucK nature, we get fucKed by it in the long run. We need to stop taking the cheaper quick solution and finally start taking the longer more expensive route[/QUOTE]
My thing is great apes are the easiest to explain, their mental capacity is the most evident. You can show chickens being beaten and boiled alive in factories, but some just don't care what happens because they're chickens and "stupid". If you have an animal, like a chimp or bonobo, that is equal or superior to 4 year old pre school children, I don't understand that. If you have another animal that can learn human language, teach human language, form new words, pass on culture, create tools, and on a darker side do things like fight prolonged wars (not just sudden conflict, goodall documented a particularly bitter relationship with another chimpanzee tribe that produced multiple conflicts and prolonged fighting and was slowly exterminated by the one she was with), I don't understand logic like zions towards them. If another animal can enter the realm of human intelligence, then it's on the same level (and there have been efforts in the scientific community for some, particularly chimps and bonobos, to be categorized as human). Without applying some divine form of human uniqueness or rejection of humans as animals (unfounded scientifically), it doesn't make sense to me.
But, on africa, conscious racism or not, it seems that many people still think of africans in much the same way people used to think of blacks. Now it's not so much that they're inferior because they're blacks, but because they're african. And on slaves, people often dismiss it as a european issue, but it's like drugs, which one is more to blame, the supply or the demand? Demand is going to increase the supply. That, along with colonization, has had ripple effects that exist to this day. Previously, while horrendous, the slave trade existed more as the results of war (and not war caused solely for the capture of slaves, which happened because of the demand from the americas). It utilized what was there, slavery was practiced in africa and it essentially purchased and worked on a smaller, sustainable scale. The combination of an ideology of a complete and total white superiority (and later "white mans burden") and the overwhelming demand in the americas caused the destruction of the african societies that had existed. It became like columbia, where the drug trade became so massive (plus american responce and the drug gangs) that it destroyed the country.
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[quote name='Sleepkyng']ah, you're from Yakima, that explains it.
I'm sure you know a lot about South Africa.[/QUOTE]
This comming from a man who lives in Vermont, Oregon and Brooklyn. Like you have any room to talk.:lol:
SA has gotten a lot better but calling it a sucess story is a joke.
I'm sure you know a lot about South Africa.[/QUOTE]
This comming from a man who lives in Vermont, Oregon and Brooklyn. Like you have any room to talk.:lol:
SA has gotten a lot better but calling it a sucess story is a joke.
[quote name='zionoverfire']This comming from a man who lives in Vermont, Oregon and Brooklyn. Like you have any room to talk.:lol:
SA has gotten a lot better but calling it a sucess story is a joke.[/QUOTE]
No, this is a joke, taken from City of Yakima:
[size=-1]Yak Facts[/size]
SA has gotten a lot better but calling it a sucess story is a joke.[/QUOTE]
No, this is a joke, taken from City of Yakima:
[size=-1]Yak Facts[/size]
[size=-2]Try to answer the latest Yakima Trivia question! [/size]
The building that now houses Mels Diner used to be home to a restaurant named what? Perkins Dennys The Royal Fork Sambos Kitchen Griddlezionoverfire
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[quote name='Sleepkyng']No, this is a joke, taken from City of Yakima:
[size=-1]Yak Facts[/size]
No that would be trivia.
Sadly only having been here 2 months I wouldn't know the answer.
[size=-1]Yak Facts[/size]
[size=-2]Try to answer the latest Yakima Trivia question! [/size]
The building that now houses Mels Diner used to be home to a restaurant named what? Perkins Dennys The Royal Fork Sambos Kitchen Griddle[/QUOTE]No that would be trivia.
Sadly only having been here 2 months I wouldn't know the answer.
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[quote name='Sleepkyng']Yakima will get to you... [/QUOTE]
and Brooklyn wont?
Personally I like small towns, although sadly far to many of them are surrounded by Bush country.
[/QUOTE]and Brooklyn wont?
Personally I like small towns, although sadly far to many of them are surrounded by Bush country.
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[quote name='Sleepkyng']I'm in vermont now, so yeah, the winter will probably get to me.[/QUOTE]
But on the plus side you get all the maple syrup you could ever want.
But on the plus side you get all the maple syrup you could ever want.
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Poor bastard...
oh wait- you said GREAT apes, not GRAPE ape.
Shit!
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[quote name='Quillion']This thread used to be about the Monkees.
Think of the Monkees!
Isn't somebody thinking of the Monkees?[/QUOTE]
I think this is proof enough that no one cares about monkees and like the beatles they should rot in hell.
Think of the Monkees!
Isn't somebody thinking of the Monkees?[/QUOTE]
I think this is proof enough that no one cares about monkees and like the beatles they should rot in hell.
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