Here's an example of a stupid ass eBayer.

Well,

I considered it new as it is still new. I understand her and your point of view though and that is why I refunded her and took care of it. The point was she bid on an item not even looking at the gallery or reading the definition.

I clearly stated new and opened as well as restated it and left pictures that indicated it.
 
[quote name='Snake2715']Well,

I considered it new as it is still new. I understand her and your point of view though and that is why I refunded her and took care of it. The point was she bid on an item not even looking at the gallery or reading the definition.

I clearly stated new and opened as well as restated it and left pictures that indicated it.[/quote]

You're missing the point, once you take it out of its box, put it in your GCN and play it.. its not new. Your description was wrong (if not fraud), whether you wrongly consider it to still be new or not.... its used.
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb'][quote name='Snake2715']Well,

I considered it new as it is still new. I understand her and your point of view though and that is why I refunded her and took care of it. The point was she bid on an item not even looking at the gallery or reading the definition.

I clearly stated new and opened as well as restated it and left pictures that indicated it.[/quote]

You're missing the point, once you take it out of its box, put it in your GCN and play it.. its not new. Your description was wrong (if not fraud), whether you wrongly consider it to still be new or not.... its used.[/quote]

ok ok please no more attacks.....oh my eyes!!!
newer, new like, like new, slightly used, somewhat fresh, first hand, barely used, recently opened, demo, reviewed, .......

:oops:
 
[quote name='Snake2715']Well,

I considered it new as it is still new. I understand her and your point of view though and that is why I refunded her and took care of it. The point was she bid on an item not even looking at the gallery or reading the definition.

I clearly stated new and opened as well as restated it and left pictures that indicated it.[/quote]

A nice thing to ask yourself is, "Has this game been used?" If so, consider what a used game is. There's no logical reason to even attempt to describe it as new.
Remember kids, "new to you" doesn't necessarily mean "new."
 
[quote name='defiance_17'][quote name='Snake2715']Well,

I considered it new as it is still new. I understand her and your point of view though and that is why I refunded her and took care of it. The point was she bid on an item not even looking at the gallery or reading the definition.

I clearly stated new and opened as well as restated it and left pictures that indicated it.[/quote]

A nice thing to ask yourself is, "Has this game been used?" If so, consider what a used game is. There's no logical reason to even attempt to describe it as new.
Remember kids, "new to you" doesn't necessarily mean "new."[/quote]

I cannot believe this has been debated this long. If I went to Gamestop and bought Viewtiful Joe and it happened to be their opened (display case) game. The shrinkwrap missing..... They are selling me it for new price and consider it new. it even falls under their new game rules for the sale.

Then When I get home I have a new game as its new to me. Whether it has been out of that case or not I consider the game new. As in my example its a new car at least for a few weeks if not months after you get it. You dont walk over to the neighbors and say hey look at my used car, do you?

Also the game didnt just appear in the case. The case was not built around the disc. The game was put into the case and then shrinkwrapped. so every game is not new then correct?

If everyone here wants to start living by the definition of the english dictionary so be, it but american definitions/interpretations are much different. This isnt even my thread. I was making a comment and showing my story (which I refunded her money etc) to show that not all ebayers read or even look at pictures.... how this happens I have no idea. But thats what happens.

I am not debating (until provoked) whether I was in the wrong or not. It was opened but new. Me touching the sides of the disc for a total of 1 minute dont effect the condition of the game. What effects it is the shrinkwrap and wear. I stated that in the ad. My ad had been taken care of some time ago. the point is people dont read.
 
Actually that's not true, I often get games like that from them but normally they charge $5 less for them, but maybe that's just Washington, Indiana, Florida, Oregon so basically every Gamestop I've ever bought from. :D
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Actually that's not true, I often get games like that from them but normally they charge $5 less for them, but maybe that's just Washington, Indiana, Florida, Oregon so basically every Gamestop I've ever bought from. :D[/quote]

Must be because thats exactly how I got my new copy of Viewtiful Joe at a gamestop in Michigan...
 
If you go to your local habedashery and purchase a pair of boxers.. and find out some man with overly hairy, sweaty balls wore them for "a total of 1 minute" would you be ok with that since they are new according to you?

Its easy to tell the difference, new is not used, used is having been played, ever, even for 30 seconds. Your girlfriend tried the game out, it was in your console, its been played.. it is not new. I can't believe you're having trouble with this concept.

Nearly new sure.. but not new.
 
[quote name='Snake2715'][quote name='zionoverfire']Actually that's not true, I often get games like that from them but normally they charge $5 less for them, but maybe that's just Washington, Indiana, Florida, Oregon so basically every Gamestop I've ever bought from. :D[/quote]

Must be because thats exactly how I got my new copy of Viewtiful Joe at a gamestop in Michigan...[/quote]

Well that's very shitty because I bought several "new" games from them that were display cases or mint tradeins and in each case the game cost $5 less than a new sealed copy and I've done this for PS1, PS2, and PC games. But I guess they just like screwing with you.
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb']If you go to your local habedashery and purchase a pair of boxers.. and find out some man with overly hairy, sweaty balls wore them for "a total of 1 minute" would you be ok with that since they are new according to you?

Its easy to tell the difference, new is not used, used is having been played, ever, even for 30 seconds. Your girlfriend tried the game out, it was in your console, its been played.. it is not new. I can't believe you're having trouble with this concept.

Nearly new sure.. but not new.[/quote]

Yes well it is ebay and PLENTY of sellers strech the truth with thier game conditions, like "oh its in great shape only has a few scratches" then you get it and it looks like someone took sand paper to it."

But yes new is new and used is used and this is why before I bid on a "new" item I always make sure it says new and sealed.
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb']If you go to your local habedashery and purchase a pair of boxers.. and find out some man with overly hairy, sweaty balls wore them for "a total of 1 minute" would you be ok with that since they are new according to you?

Its easy to tell the difference, new is not used, used is having been played, ever, even for 30 seconds. Your girlfriend tried the game out, it was in your console, its been played.. it is not new. I can't believe you're having trouble with this concept.

Nearly new sure.. but not new.[/quote]

No I will say it again. I understand everyones point of view... I corrected the problem and she was extremely happy with the result.

I am also pointing out that would refer to it as a new game when talking to someone about it. Just like a person who buys a new car.

I understand that by definition and technically I should have stated "slightly used",or "like new". I didnt and thats that. i refunded her a large portion and all is well.

Now on to your next topic..... of the boxer shorts....

While in Florida on our honeymoon. My wife and I stepped into Fredricks of Hollywood......

When she ahd found something she liked she asked if she could try it on or how the fitment policy worked.....

The lady helping us showed her the fitting rooms and said have at it... We were a little thrown off... I mean even a shoe store offers those little socks as to not spread any germs or bacteria etc. Nope not at Fredricks... Just hit the fitting room get naked and wear whatever you like. Heck if you get it home and decide you dont like it bring it right back...

We started to realize that a lot of the "garments" had indeed been tried on and some even had stains or hairs left as a bonus... Pretty gross and its just sick to think about it....
 
I have to agree with everyone that when I see something listed as new, I expect it to be factory sealed. I have seen auctions where, like your auction, it was stated new but the picture showed an open item. It gives me the impression that the seller is somewhat dishonest somewhere in the description, and even if I was looking for a like new item, I probably would not bid on that auction.

I purchased a "new" book off half.com, but it was used. A book is a harder case, since they're usually not sealed. I knew it was used because the guy who sold it was telling me how he was hesitant to sell it because it had really helped him out in school. So upon hearing that, I was a little pieved that his description was misleading. There were signs of use in the book too (pencil underlining). The point of this story is that there a people that think like new = new, while a lot people feel there is a significant difference. (That's why new and like new are totally different categories when you list things.) New is like you bought it new from a store, and an opened item doesn't go under this (including the cases of display copies, i believe).
 
[quote name='"Snake2715"'][quote name='defiance_17'][quote name='Snake2715']Well,

I considered it new as it is still new. I understand her and your point of view though and that is why I refunded her and took care of it. The point was she bid on an item not even looking at the gallery or reading the definition.

I clearly stated new and opened as well as restated it and left pictures that indicated it.[/quote]

Then When I get home I have a new game as its new to me. Whether it has been out of that case or not I consider the game new. As in my example its a new car at least for a few weeks if not months after you get it. You dont walk over to the neighbors and say hey look at my used car, do you?

Also the game didnt just appear in the case. The case was not built around the disc. The game was put into the case and then shrinkwrapped. so every game is not new then correct?

If everyone here wants to start living by the definition of the english dictionary so be, it but american definitions/interpretations are much different. This isnt even my thread. I was making a comment and showing my story (which I refunded her money etc) to show that not all ebayers read or even look at pictures.... how this happens I have no idea. But thats what happens.

I am not debating (until provoked) whether I was in the wrong or not. It was opened but new. Me touching the sides of the disc for a total of 1 minute dont effect the condition of the game. What effects it is the shrinkwrap and wear. I stated that in the ad. My ad had been taken care of some time ago. the point is people dont read.[/quote]

You were wrong. New is sealed like said by everyone else. Sure you only played it once but can you prove it? NO! If its sealed there is little to debate but I have games 3 years old that are mint and i could say its New but its not. If you want to use your car example you prove our point yourself. If you buy a car, as soon as you drive it out of the place it isnt considered New anymore, if you went to trade it in somewhere else are they going to give you as much as you paid for it NEW? No. This is because you have owned it and have used it. Therefore its new to you but its being used by you, as soon as you go to change ownership its used!

The game being put in the case has nothing to do with it being new or not. Shrink wrapped is also different from truely sealed. The fact is that if the game is sealed it proves it is new and never owned by anyone else. You can return pc games sealed but by law you cant(unless defective) return it once its out the package. Why? Its not new anymore and even if you say "Hey i didn't burn it, why cant i return it?" there is no way to prove that you didnt just like there is no way to prove your game hasnt been played for hours upon end.
 
Agree with Weedy. New means it is sealed, not opened, and warranty / registration has not kicked in. What I hate in eBay is the following...
"New, but opened to make sure contents were inside."

Huh? WTF? How do I know you didn't just burn the fucker and now you are selling it as new?
 
Ok- just for everyone's clarification-

New equals = Not opened, never used, factory sealed.

Used equals = if it does not meet all of the above, it is used, period.

Future shop tried to sell me a $150 Thurstmaster when I had a coupon that allowed me to buy the joystick, one game and get a game for free
(back in 1996). The manager tried to give me a re-sealed F-16 (model)- I said hell no, I'm not taking that used one, and took a brand new one off the shelf- he was pissed because he knew he was losing money but there was not crap he could do about it. Basically they were being dishonest trying to give me a used product resealed as new- they were trying to be unethical.
 
[quote name='Weedy649']You were wrong. New is sealed like said by everyone else. Sure you only played it once but can you prove it? NO! If its sealed there is little to debate but I have games 3 years old that are mint and i could say its New but its not. If you want to use your car example you prove our point yourself. If you buy a car, as soon as you drive it out of the place it isnt considered New anymore, if you went to trade it in somewhere else are they going to give you as much as you paid for it NEW? No. This is because you have owned it and have used it. Therefore its new to you but its being used by you, as soon as you go to change ownership its used![/quote]

Ok once again I have always agreed I was wrong about the listing. Never once have I said I wasnt. This whole thread proves my point about people not reading. What I am saying is the word new can be understood a few different ways.

If you had a helicopter fly the damn car from the factory exit to a dealership they wouldnt give you what you paid for it!! They are in business to make money. Do they sell it for what they paid you for it? Nope. Thats a terribly example.

Plus lots of cars are technically used when you buy them... I mean did you test drive it before you bought it? If so then I would like to have you ask the salesman to give you a few grand off now due to the car being used... he would laugh at you, or be nice about it, but the end answer would be no. Its not going to happen its still a new car...



[quote name='Weedy649']The game being put in the case has nothing to do with it being new or not. Shrink wrapped is also different from truely sealed. The fact is that if the game is sealed it proves it is new and never owned by anyone else. You can return pc games sealed but by law you cant(unless defective) return it once its out the package. Why? Its not new anymore and even if you say "Hey i didn't burn it, why cant i return it?" there is no way to prove that you didnt just like there is no way to prove your game hasnt been played for hours upon end.[/quote]

Shrinkwrapped was my terminolgy for "sealed" uh oh lets go on for 6 pages about how I should have just said sealed instead of shrink wrapped why dont we?

I will restate this for the last time in this thread. My used game and my ebay example had NOTHING to do with the fact that it was NEW or USED. It was the point of someone not reading.... Just like some dumb ass is not going to read this reply of mine, and make another comment on how I was wrong. Lets see who that lucky winner is shall we?

Playing a cd is not going to hurt the cd or the information if you played it for 1 minute or 1 million minutes. It has still been used and I understand that. I did not list it under the category of "NEW" I listed it in the "used" games area. I said in my ad it was new two words later I said it was opened, and explained my reasoning backed by pictures. I did nt state it as new in the title. Big difference.

What I tried to clarify is that some person didnt just play the crap out of it and get their hands all over the thing. Throw it around in their bookshelf and pile of games then try to pass it off as new. I wanted to explain this comparison. That if you opened a "Factory sealed / shrinkwrapped" game and but them both behind your back and picked one they would look,smell hell probably taste the exact same as mine.
 
so how many times do people have to tell him exactly what he's trying to tell you? damn, lay off the guy. He was wrong, he admitted it, and you're still giving him grief. WTF?
 
You guys are all way too nice to stupid ebayers. When I sell, there are never any refunds for any reason what-so-ever. I give an accurate description of what I'm selling, take a picture and that is that. If you bid on it, then you're stuck with it.
 
[quote name='friedram']Ok- just for everyone's clarification-

New equals = Not opened, never used, factory sealed.

Used equals = if it does not meet all of the above, it is used, period.

Future shop tried to sell me a $150 Thurstmaster when I had a coupon that allowed me to buy the joystick, one game and get a game for free
(back in 1996). The manager tried to give me a re-sealed F-16 (model)- I said hell no, I'm not taking that used one, and took a brand new one off the shelf- he was pissed because he knew he was losing money but there was not crap he could do about it. Basically they were being dishonest trying to give me a used product resealed as new- they were trying to be unethical.[/quote]

Ok so new equals Not opened, NEVER USED, factory sealed
Used equals never not opened, and never factory sealed....

on top of that the game was opened before the game was sealed so nothing is new by that definition. You guys all want to get technical. Its like what came first the rooster or the egg?

your example in comparison is not the same as my listing. I never said it was sealed. I never reshrunkwrapped it. I never hid my pictures..
 
[quote name='tickdude']Agree with Weedy. New means it is sealed, not opened, and warranty / registration has not kicked in. What I hate in eBay is the following...
"New, but opened to make sure contents were inside."

Huh? WTF? How do I know you didn't just burn the shaq-fuer and now you are selling it as new?[/quote]

The registration and warranty... How the hell would any company know when you bought that game? I mean do you think they would honor an ebay receipt anyway?

As far as burning what if it was a Gamecube game.. This is just getting stupid now.
 
[quote name='Bune']so how many times do people have to tell him exactly what he's trying to tell you? damn, lay off the guy. He was wrong, he admitted it, and you're still giving him grief. WTF?[/quote]

This is actually becoming fun now...
 
[quote name='wubb']You had to know this was going to go the way this has. And I agree this is pretty entertaining.[/quote]

Yeah i dont even sell on ebay thats the funniest part...




ok I lied ( I do sell on ebay) but I should have waited a few more pages of replies to my post before I said that just to further piss people off.

Now I know why Jimmie Mac used to do this to people its great entertainment.
 
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