hiding treasures, goods do you usually do it?

[quote name='slowdive21']Make is not the correct word (I read bigdaddys post again i would not use the word make). I think strongly suggest is more accurate. If the person does not want to sign, Loss prevention advises the person not to come back or they will be arrested for tresspassing. It depends on company policy. Loss prevention are not rent a cops (like the guys at target), they are plain clothes people who usually walk around the store or monitor video.

Just like Sam's club can't legally make you show them your receipt on the way out...But have you ever tried to walk by without stopping?[/quote]

What gets me about the 'not stopping to a show a receipt' thing are all of the self righteous Consumerist asshole readers who think that it's their RIGHT to just walk out, even after the security devices at the door may go off from that ONE dvd that the clerk didn't properly deactivate the security tag on.

How hard is it to go 'here's my receipt', let them take a look in your bag and verify your stuff IS fully paid for and then walk out?

I get a chuckle every time I go to the Consumerist site and read all of the drivel from the idiots like that, saying 'they can't make me, I have rights'.

Well, as is being evidenced in this thread, you are on PRIVATE property when you're shopping in a retail store. You don't want to show a receipt when you walk out the door for 2-5 seconds tops, then they'll tell you to go shop elsewhere for your tampons for your PMSing you have when you're told to 'stop to check your receipts'.
 
[quote name='slowdive21']Just like Sam's club can't legally make you show them your receipt on the way out...But have you ever tried to walk by without stopping?[/quote]


Isnt it in the club rules that you have to do that?

EDIT: yep...it is...

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?catg=5352

Receipts: To ensure that you are charged correctly for the merchandise you have selected, you will be required to show your receipt when exiting.
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Since you HAVE to be a member to shop at Sam's Club they can make you show your receipt by putting it in the membership requirements.
 
I wasn't making a comment at you to be snide or anything, slowdive, simply making a comment about how asinine it is for people to hold everyone else up because people don't want to take those 2-5 seconds to let someone check their receipt against what they bought.

Then again, most times at my local Wally World, I've been told to 'just go' even after the alarm goes off when I'm leaving with something I bought that they didn't deactivate the tags on. So, it all depends on the store and employees. Hell, I've seen people 'go off' when they're coming INTO a store with an item for a return/exchange before, which means someone still doesn't know how to use those things to deactivate the tags in most cases I'm sure.

Oh and as for me, I 'unburied' my 'treasure' today. I picked up Shadow Of The Collossus for $13.98 and Marvel Ultimate Alliance "Special Edition" for Xbox for $9.98 @ Target today. This is the last time I'll probably EVER stash anything, since it's just not worth being told 'your business is not wanted here' for doing so.
 
[quote name='Malik112099']So you people actually think that a rent-a-cop for a store can MAKE me sign some bullshit piece of paper? I think not. I have a paralegal wife telling me otherwise.[/quote]

The fact that you claim to have a wife and have acted very childish throughout this whole makes me wonder about you. Sorry. It also makes me wonder why a grown man would take his time to hide games at a store.

As I said earlier, you're making a pretty big mistake to assume the loss prevention team at whatever store you visit is not good at what they do. Childishly calling them "rent-a-cops" and attempting to simply dismiss what people are trying to tell you shows how little you know. "Rent-a-cop," as you so maturely put it, generally refers to uniformed security guards. Loss prevention agents are not security guards. As someone else mentioned, they are plain clothes agents who only search out ways to decrease store shrinkage, be it from external or internal sources. Depending on the company, these agents could very well be highly trained. Even if the agents are not well trained, the manager probably is.

Your "paralegal wife" might want to brush up on her information. In just about every state, designated store employees have limited powers of detention and investigation. Can they make you sign anything? No, but not many people or entities can make you sign or do anything. As I said earlier, and you clearly skipped over, because it wasn't intune with your rantings, they will tell you to sign it or bring the hammer down on you.

Like I said, if you're so confident that store employees can't do anything to you, please, by all means, go to the store today and make it obvious that you're hiding their merchandise and causing shrinkage. Let us know how what happens.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']The fact that you claim to have a wife and have acted very childish throughout this whole makes me wonder about you. Sorry. It also makes me wonder why a grown man would take his time to hide games at a store.

As I said earlier, you're making a pretty big mistake to assume the loss prevention team at whatever store you visit is not good at what they do. Childishly calling them "rent-a-cops" and attempting to simply dismiss what people are trying to tell you shows how little you know. "Rent-a-cop," as you so maturely put it, generally refers to uniformed security guards. Loss prevention agents are not security guards. As someone else mentioned, they are plain clothes agents who only search out ways to decrease store shrinkage, be it from external or internal sources. Depending on the company, these agents could very well be highly trained. Even if the agents are not well trained, the manager probably is.

Your "paralegal wife" might want to brush up on her information. In just about every state, designated store employees have limited powers of detention and investigation. Can they make you sign anything? No, but not many people or entities can make you sign or do anything. As I said earlier, and you clearly skipped over, because it wasn't intune with your rantings, they will tell you to sign it or bring the hammer down on you.

Like I said, if you're so confident that store employees can't do anything to you, please, by all means, go to the store today and make it obvious that you're hiding their merchandise and causing shrinkage. Let us know how what happens.[/quote]

Shrinkage? Like getting into a cold swimming pool?
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']The fact that you claim to have a wife and have acted very childish throughout this whole makes me wonder about you. Sorry. It also makes me wonder why a grown man would take his time to hide games at a store.

As I said earlier, you're making a pretty big mistake to assume the loss prevention team at whatever store you visit is not good at what they do. Childishly calling them "rent-a-cops" and attempting to simply dismiss what people are trying to tell you shows how little you know. "Rent-a-cop," as you so maturely put it, generally refers to uniformed security guards. Loss prevention agents are not security guards. As someone else mentioned, they are plain clothes agents who only search out ways to decrease store shrinkage, be it from external or internal sources. Depending on the company, these agents could very well be highly trained. Even if the agents are not well trained, the manager probably is.

Your "paralegal wife" might want to brush up on her information. In just about every state, designated store employees have limited powers of detention and investigation. Can they make you sign anything? No, but not many people or entities can make you sign or do anything. As I said earlier, and you clearly skipped over, because it wasn't intune with your rantings, they will tell you to sign it or bring the hammer down on you.

Like I said, if you're so confident that store employees can't do anything to you, please, by all means, go to the store today and make it obvious that you're hiding their merchandise and causing shrinkage. Let us know how what happens.[/quote]

I never claimed to hide anything in any store. Read the thread. I am 27 years old, been married for a little over 8 years and have 2 children. www.myspace.com/malik112099 .... i used to be GOOD friends with the whole entire loss prevention team at a JCPenneys (Deerbrook Mall in Humble, Tx) an ex girlfriend used to work at. I used to go hang out before and after store hours and see what they did and how they did it. They have ZERO legal authority and can only detain you IF you do something illegal - they are merely store employees and have the same rights to do to you that a cashier or janitor does. There is no hammer to "bring down."

Don't be so butt-hurt because of what others say about your fiancee's job.
 
They have ZERO legal authority and can only detain you IF you do something illegal - they are merely store employees and have the same rights to do to you that a cashier or janitor does. There is no hammer to "bring down."
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Um...do you even look at what you type afterwards? They have no legal authority...but can detain you. That's called...you guessed it...the legal authority to detain you! This is a fun game, isn't it?

And no, they are not the same as cashiers. Again, if you don't have a clue, don't talk. Loss prevention needs to go to training and get certified for certain things. Why? Because they aren't the same as the rest of the employees. They are loss prevention. They have limited legal authorities within their store. So, they need to be trained. Good job of again being clueless, but not letting that stop you from talking.

Don't be so butt-hurt because of what others say about your fiancee's job.
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You're an adult and use language like that of a five year old? Those children have a bright future, if they unfortunately are doomed to their genetic stock.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Um...do you even look at what you type afterwards? They have no legal authority...but can detain you. That's called...you guessed it...the legal authority to detain you! This is a fun game, isn't it?

And no, they are not the same as cashiers. Again, if you don't have a clue, don't talk. Loss prevention needs to go to training and get certified for certain things. Why? Because they aren't the same as the rest of the employees. They are loss prevention. They have limited legal authorities within their store. So, they need to be trained. Good job of again being clueless, but not letting that stop you from talking.

You're an adult and use language like that of a five year old? Those children have a bright future, if they unfortunately are doomed to their genetic stock.[/quote]


I can detain you - it's called citizen's arrest....your loss prevention friends can't do anything beyond that...cashiers can do it too!

Cashiers go to training...I did when I worked as a cashier at Krogers when I was in highschool...loss prevention training, cashier training, etc - what's your point?

My children have a very bright future - if the "genetic stock" holds true due to my wife and me having 4 degrees between the 2 of us...
 
cashiers can do it too!
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Nope, sorry. Cashiers can only ask you not to leave the store. Cashiers cannot detain you. They are suppose to inform loss prevention of any issues and let them handle it.

Cashiers go to training...I did when I worked as a cashier at Krogers when I was in highschool...loss prevention training, cashier training, etc - what's your point?
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Obviously, you go to training. You don't get the same training as a loss prevention, though. That's common sense. Every new store employee gets a general training on company policy. That will include mentions of loss prevention. After that, you go and train in your particular area. For example, I worked in business sales, so the business sales manager gave me some discs about their everyday operations. A cashier learns how to use the register. Loss prevention learns about loss prevention. This isn't rocket science.

My children have a very bright future - if the "genetic stock" holds true due to my wife and me having 4 degrees between the 2 of us...
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Going to have assume that the wife has, at least, three of those degrees, and that if you actually have one of them, it is of the mail-order variety. Also, having a degree today means little. I know people who degrees from community colleges. They can barely count on their fingers.
 
has anyone actually been asked to leave by sercurity at certain stores when it comes to hiding a game that you want to pick up at a lower price later on?
 
No, but I don't have a problem with a store doing that. You aren't exactly stealing, but you are preventing them from making a sale at a higher price.
 
Agreed. Hiding shit is playing dirty. It might even be a CAG you're preventing from getting it (some of us are cheaper than others, according to the Target thread). The most I'll do is stick it in the back of games in the same section (you should always check the whole clearance section, but not the whole store).
 
Meh, that's kinda lame man...sucks for the employees and it's pretty damn rotten for the people who wanna buy the games too. (If the copy you hide happens to be the last one of course...)
 
Why hide it? If you know a price drop is coming soon, just buy it and get it price matched a few days later.

If you are hiding something for a price drop many months down the road.....well that is just stupid.
 
Most games are in locked cases now so its almost impossible to do this, and the games that aren't in the cases aren't even worth buying. I really don't think loss prevention would bother repremanding you as they have hundreds of shoppers in each store to watch each day and probably many of them hide things, unless you are hiding massive quantities of stuff or are a repeat offender of this. From what it looks like here target employees go through the whole store each night and put back any missing merchandise so hiding is futile.
 
[quote name='chakan']No, but I don't have a problem with a store doing that. You aren't exactly stealing, but you are preventing them from making a sale at a higher price.[/QUOTE]

Technically it is stealing. No difference if you took it and put it in your car or hide it under some pillows. They cant sell it that way and they are out.

Honestly though, why would anyone need to do that? Just buy it when you see it if you want it. How hard is that. I wont even get into any of the "you so poor you put ... on layaway" jokes.
 
What we are defining "hiding" as? Putting a game someplace where no one else can find it and only you know or just putting it behind another stack of games?
 
I've heard buying used games is basically stealing from video game developers. If you don't care about that, why do you guys care so much about this? I've never needed to do this because I buy most of my games online though.
 
If it doesn't leave the store, how can it be shop lifting? And while it may be a potential loss of profit to the store if someone was actually willing to pay full price for the game, that's only assuming that someone would have paid it. There's nothing "illegal" with hiding merch...it's just damn annoying.
 
[quote name='Terabyte7']If it doesn't leave the store, how can it be shop lifting? And while it may be a potential loss of profit to the store if someone was actually willing to pay full price for the game, that's only assuming that someone would have paid it. There's nothing "illegal" with hiding merch...it's just damn annoying.[/quote]
Word, Terabyte. Word.
 
Any form of cheating a store out of profit is stealing. Whether you are taking it from the store, hiding it and waiting for a sale (you are denying them profit opportunities), asking employees to assist you in hiding, defacing price stickers, swapping price stickers, faking bar codes on coupons, buying items cheap at one store and returning them to another, etc. I'm sure we can all find gray area exceptions to this situation, but I'm pretty firm on this. Recognizing and acting upon a deal does require a certain amount of ethics. Sure you can say that stores set aside money to combat this or "cover" this loss each year, but this doesn't make it any less wrong. Either way it undermines the faithful deal system as a whole.

This is Cheap Ass Gamer, not Steal Ass Gamer.
 
lol. I found two copies of Pikmin 1 at my Hollywood Video, used for $10. I wasn't sure how much they were going for at the time so I hid it behind some GameCube movie-liscenced games. Came back later and bought them, sold 'em on eBay for $36 a pop.
 
Wow, this thread is full of people justifying actions. Just admit you're wrong, and keep doing it if you like.

As far as if it's stealing, I'd say it's more like cock-blocking. They weren't necessarily going to sell it at the price point, but if nobody else knows it's there, then it won't sell at any price point. Their inventory still claims it has some in stock, so the price will drop in attempt to sell it.

Moreso than that, what makes you so damn special that you deserve the game for $15 when someone else is willing to take a half-price game at $30? It's YMMV from the get-go, so you're lucky someone even hipped you to the drop.
 
[quote name='daminion']No, this isn't deja vu -- your link takes you to this thread :)[/quote]
the thread merged with another one with a similar title/subject.
 
[quote name='urzishra14']its true.. my kmart seems to have all the 360 clearance games "hid" inside their cabinet and the stupid workers hate when i ask them to open them up and scan the prices for me..[/quote] I can never get clearance games at Kmart because its always the same guy in the electronics section, and he just yells at me that the price is as marked whenever I ask him to scan prices.
I tried talking to the manager about this and he said that the prices are as marked, and to stop wasting his time.
 
While I agree that "hiding" games, etc may be immoral..I would like to see a law on the books that you can be arrested/charged for doing so. Saying it's stealing may be true from the point of "stealing profits" from the store. Can you be arrested for it...not likely. I would LOVE to see that in court..."Your honor, individual X was caught placing a copy of Mario Party DS in with the Polly Pockets...we erequest this person to serve no less than 3 years in jail."
 
I chimed in on the other thread and will here too. As long as you're not taking something outside of the store grounds and don't put it anywhere where any other shopper could legally go, I can't see how in the world a store can consider it shoplifting. Yes it would be annoying for the workers, but not illegal.

Does the same hold true for folks who plunk down things they don't want to buy on random racks throughout the store? Are you going to ban them from the store too?
 
The question isn't about the legality of it. The question is whether or not it is bad for their business. And it is. You hiding it at $30, let's say, so you can buy it later at $5 is bad for them. So, if they want to, they can boot you from the store and ban you from it.
 
I did it once in the past few years, with a TRU that was about to penny some guides... hid one copy of each behind some boxes... when the day came I returned and bought them along with a few other games I got off the shelf... felt bad about it, but since I ws buying more things, I was allowed to purchase the guides... only time I PICKED UP PENNY GUIDES FROM TRU
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']The question isn't about the legality of it. The question is whether or not it is bad for their business. And it is. You hiding it at $30, let's say, so you can buy it later at $5 is bad for them. So, if they want to, they can boot you from the store and ban you from it.[/quote]

The responses for the legality are coming from the people claiming it's shoplifting.
 
[quote name='xbox_mole']I chimed in on the other thread and will here too. As long as you're not taking something outside of the store grounds and don't put it anywhere where any other shopper could legally go, I can't see how in the world a store can consider it shoplifting. Yes it would be annoying for the workers, but not illegal.

Does the same hold true for folks who plunk down things they don't want to buy on random racks throughout the store? Are you going to ban them from the store too?[/quote]

I decided I didn't want a copy of The Mothman Prophecies at Big Lots the other day, and I abandoned it in the toys section somewhere.
 
At the K-Mart I go to they have the displays and then they have stacks of games below. I asked the lady if I could fish through the stacks and she let me. I don't think anyone fishs through these stacks, but I did and I bought some games for so cheap. Whenever I go to my aunt's house I am going to repeat this process. T
 
Unless you're an employee, there's nowhere to hide an item that other customers can't get to. It's still on the sales floor, and anyone can (and someone typically does) pick it up and buy it.

Yes, it could theoretically work...but the odds of that are definitely not in your favor.

[quote name='nectarsis1']The responses for the legality are coming from the people claiming it's shoplifting.[/QUOTE]

I don't think I've ever heard shoplifting defined as anything other than the theft of merchandise. Given that definition...the claim is sort of ridiculous. :whistle2:s

Yes, the store will lose money, but loss prevention is another thing entirely. More importantly, I'm pretty sure that it'd be close to impossible to actually get someone convicted of shoplifting if they were to do something like the topic of this thread.

[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']The question isn't about the legality of it. The question is whether or not it is bad for their business.[/QUOTE]

Arguably, most of the deals that are posted on this site are bad for business, particularly when people are taking advantage of clearances or pricing mistakes. Another way of looking at it: things that go on sale are oftentimes loss leaders to get people into a store. That goes out the window when you show up and only buy the advertised items.
 
Arguably, most of the deals that are posted on this site are bad for business, particularly when people are taking advantage of clearances or pricing mistakes. Another way of looking at it: things that go on sale are oftentimes loss leaders to get people into a store. That goes out the window when you show up and only buy the advertised items.
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As people have said in topics like this, what a business does is their...well...business. I'm sure they realize a certain percentage of consumers will come in and only buy a sale item. They still feel its a good business move, though, so they do it.

Someone hiding an item, though, is another story. It's an act by an outside agent that can only potentially benefit them and hurt the store.
 
I've started to hide games recently, and I strongly believe some people do go overboard in where they hide stuff. I personally only hide stuff in the electronic section behind other games.
 
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