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Take-Two is hinting at taking legal action against the makers of popular console peripheral Action Replay.

Shortly after the announced recall of Rockstar’s Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, Take-Two sent out a statement that in part read that they were exploring taking legal actions against companies that profited from creating and distributing tools for altering the content of their game.

Reading between the lines, this means that the company is pointing out that they aren’t the only ones to blame for the Hot Coffee scandal.

The fact is, if you owned a console version of the game you couldn’t get any Hot Coffee action without Action Replay or a similar device. By using codes or saves created for the device you could unlock the sex mini-game, and Rockstar and Take-Two don’t want anyone to forget that.

What this means for the modding community is anyone’s guess, but I can say the happy relationship that modders have long had with many publishers may be on the verge of ending.

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Take-Two has announced that will stop manufacturing the current version of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas and being work on a non-hot coffee version.

The version will retain the M-rating and should hit shelves by the fourth fiscal quarter.

They also expect to see a pretty major financial hit from the whole Hot Coffee issue.

As a result of the re-rating of the game, Take-Two is lowering guidance for the third fiscal quarter ending July 31, 2005 to $160 to $170 million in net sales and a net loss per share of $(0.40) to $(0.45) to provide reserves for the value of the title’s current North American retail inventory. Accordingly, guidance for the fiscal year ending October 31, 2005 is also being lowered to $1.26 to $1.31 billion in net sales and $1.05 to $1.12 in diluted earnings per share.

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Rumor has it that Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas may be pulled from some of the nation’s largest retailers by the end of the day.

Enormous ma and pa gobbling mega-chain Walmart will mostly likely be the first on the list. Though, ironically, they all sell the Action Replay game hacker that allows gamers to access the in-game sex in the first place.

Do me a favor, while you are out and about the rest of the week keep an eye out for copies of the game. If you have a second, ask around if you don’t see any. I’d love to know who’s doing what and when in the way of San Andreas.

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http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/breaking/breaking-esrb-recalls-san-andreas-113506.php
 
Meh, I say. I doubt they really have a case against AR. It's more of a "YOU HURT OUR IMAGE NOT IT'S SUIN' TIME!!" type thing.
 
I know the sex mini game is only accessible with the right code/program and Download, but if they didn't want it in the game at all they should have completely removed it. They should have thought about the future, someone's bound to search through their code.
 
I was in a Gamestop today and they got a memo to pull all copies from the shelves. Its also been removed from their website.
 
I'm curious to see the overall effect this is going to take on the industry.

Surprised Rockstar isn't going after the modders that opened this whole can of worms in the first place.
 
they are pulling the game, putting new AO labels on it and putting it back on the shelves.
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And you know this how??

No one knows what's going to happen. They could strip it out and release it as M again, (the most likely choice) since over 40% of games sold are from Wal-Mart and they have a strict "No AO title" policy. If rockstar kept it in and stuck an AO on it they would alienate them selves from to much of the consumer base.
 
I called my brother and his store hasn't gotten a memo about it and said that they're going to continue to sell it.. but that's as of right now, that could EASILY change (EB).

And you know this how??

No one knows what's going to happen. They could strip it out and release it as M again, (the most likely choice) since over 40% of games sold are from Wal-Mart and they have a strict "No AO title" policy. If rockstar kept it in and stuck an AO on it they would alienate them selves from to much of the consumer base.
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Because GS says so..

In case GS changes it..

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Wow, what a turn of events. Hmm..I was planning on getting this for $19.99. I think I'll just buy it used whent the AO/when the version they put out becomes $19.99 and the EB used one can be had for $13.50

But seriously guys, by them pulling the game now it's like really going to make any difference? give me a break. I believe they've already sold about 5 million copies.

Edit: i was right. they've sold 5.14 copies and now counting. It's not going to make a difference. If you want a copy of the game, it's now out there.

Check out this link if you don't believe me.

http://www.the-magicbox.com/Chart-USPlatinum.shtml

This is going to suck for the modding community and has definitely hampered relations between developers, publishers, the modders, and the various cheat devices.
 
Heh.

Considering the fuss over Mortal Kombat back in the mid-nineties, I'm surprised that this is the first time I've seen this happen.

That said, fuck you too, Washington. I still don't get what the big deal is - the content is not accessible unless you modify the game. Since there's absolutely no way to get to it unless you use the PC mod or the Action Replay, why all the fuss?

How long before the first "Which version will be rarer?" post?
 
If I'm not mistaken, Gamespot is the same site that said the early xbox 360 pics were bogus because the controller pictured "was a modded logitech..."

They are speculating, as is everyone, we need to wait and see what happens. At the very least Q3 is still a month away. Who knows maybe they'll release an MA and an AO version. Like I said, right now people are just playing grab ass, no one knows what this means for retailers, gta, or the industry.
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']And you know this how??

No one knows what's going to happen. They could strip it out and release it as M again, (the most likely choice) since over 40% of games sold are from Wal-Mart and they have a strict "No AO title" policy. If rockstar kept it in and stuck an AO on it they would alienate them selves from to much of the consumer base.[/QUOTE]
Read this, sucka.
[quote name='Yahoo News']The video game industry on Wednesday changed to adults-only the rating of "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas," a best-selling title in which explicit sexual content can be unlocked with an Internet download.[/quote]
 
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How long before the first "Which version will be rarer?" post?[/QUOTE]

Actually what I want to know is how to tell the difference between the two since the now the game is a hell of a lot more intriguing. Probably only by the AO rating they'll put on the new one, but like I said, as though it makes a difference.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Wow, what a turn of events. Hmm..I was planning on getting this for $19.99. I think I'll just buy it used whent the AO/when the version they put out becomes $19.99 and the EB used one can be had for $13.50

But seriously guys, by them pulling the game now it's really going to make any difference. I believe they've already sold about 5 million copies.

Edit: i was right. they've sold 5.14 copies and now counting. It's not going to make a difference. If you want a copy of the game, it's now out there.

Check out this link if you don't believe me.

http://www.the-magicbox.com/Chart-USPlatinum.shtml

This is going to suck for the modding community and has definitely hampered relations between developers, publishers, the modders, and the various cheat devices.[/QUOTE]
That raises another two questions, namely...

- Are EB and GameStop going to sell the original version of the game used? If so, how? Are they going to change the labeling? Make sure that eveyone knows it now has the Adults Only rating? Treat it like a normal game?

- Is Sony going to release it as a Greatest Hits title now that it's got the AO rating? I don't believe any of the publishers have given GH/Player's Choice/Platinum/what-have you status to AO games before; could this be the first one?
 
Just checked out the sales figures from magicbox. WOW, I had no idea they've sold that many. We always here about Halo 2 and yet, GTA Vice city is the best selling title of the last two generations? Blew me away.
 
The Hot Coffee "official" save has been pulled from codejunkies.com, but there's about 7 or 8 fans that have re-uploaded it on the page.. only a matter of time before that's gone too.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Wow, what a turn of events. Hmm..I was planning on getting this for $19.99. I think I'll just buy it used whent the AO/when the version they put out becomes $19.99 and the EB used one can be had for $13.50

But seriously guys, by them pulling the game now it's really going to make any difference. I believe they've already sold about 5 million copies.

Edit: i was right. they've sold 5.14 copies and now counting. It's not going to make a difference. If you want a copy of the game, it's now out there.

Check out this link if you don't believe me.

http://www.the-magicbox.com/Chart-USPlatinum.shtml

This is going to suck for the modding community and has definitely hampered relations between developers, publishers, the modders, and the various cheat devices.[/QUOTE]

So my hot coffee-able M rated version won't be rare/valuable?
 
[quote name='Gothic_Walrus']That raises another two questions, namely...

- Are EB and GameStop going to sell the original version of the game used? If so, how? Are they going to change the labeling? Make sure that eveyone knows it now has the Adults Only rating? Treat it like a normal game?

- Is Sony going to release it as a Greatest Hits title now that it's got the AO rating? I don't believe any of the publishers have given GH/Player's Choice/Platinum/what-have you status to AO games before; could this be the first one?[/QUOTE]

You're last question poses another slew of questions. Since this game is only on Xbox and Sony machines, will it hurt not only Take 2/Rockstar's image but of the companies that allowed it on their systems? It might change how the Playstation looks in the eyes of parents now. Oh and this might actually help Nintendo now if they play/spin it right.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']So my hot coffee-able M rated version won't be rare/valuable?[/QUOTE]

Probably not. Depends on whether Take 2 forces everyone to pull used copies as well and destroys them. This could turn out to be something similiar to what happened with Kakuto Chojin and the massive pulling of the game.
 
Keep in mind that a sealed FF VII will grab anywhere between 200 and 400 depending on the time of year on ebay and that sold 2.5 million copies, so maybe in 7 years you could sell an xbox version for $100. Which won't be much because by then games will run $89 each if EA has there way.
 
[quote name='Scorch']The Hot Coffee "official" save has been pulled from codejunkies.com, but there's about 7 or 8 fans that have re-uploaded it on the page.. only a matter of time before that's gone too.[/QUOTE]

I doubt that it will be down anytime soon. I mean it went from codejunkies to 7 or 8 fans, etc. This one isn't going anywhere soon especially with the internet now a days. Might take some searching though.
 
isn't there a disclosure when you use a device like action replay something along the lines of "Use this at your own risk", I wouldn't know since the last cheat device i used on a gaming system was the game gene, and that was years ago. This is kinda getting out of hand here, even if they did make it AO only, what good what that do, theres only a year difference between AO and M rating. I think running people over while saying "WEEEEEEEEEEE! I'm a PROSTITUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!" is a lot more disturbing than game porn.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Probably not. Depends on whether Take 2 forces everyone to pull used copies as well and destroys them. This could turn out to be something similiar to what happened with Kakuto Chojin and the massive pulling of the game.[/QUOTE]
They can't make people send the game back, silly. :roll: They can only order to have it removed from stores.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']I doubt that it will be down anytime soon. I mean it went from codejunkies to 7 or 8 fans, etc. This one isn't going anywhere soon especially with the internet now a days. Might take some searching though.[/QUOTE]

I meant they might stop allowing uploads for San Andreas. Hell, this could bring the death of Action Replay, if Take Two files a lawsuit.
 
It's nothing that's unexpected as a result. Now Rockstar can take out this code, impliment their new security features on the disc and release it this fall as an M title again. At least this is over at this point, now we have to see what Hilary Clinton now has to say about this.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']They can't make people send the game back, silly. :roll: They can only order to have it removed from stores.[/QUOTE]

No not people's legitamately bought copies, but the copies that are now just sitting in stores shelves used. I believe that they could do something like that. I'm pretty sure that's what happened to Kakuto Chojin if I'm not mistaken, but again, by that time it didn't matter as enough copies had made it out.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']I doubt that it will be down anytime soon. I mean it went from codejunkies to 7 or 8 fans, etc. This one isn't going anywhere soon especially with the internet now a days. Might take some searching though.[/QUOTE]


yes, im sure the newsgroups/irc/torents/p2p are filled.. its spread is unstopable and unfathomable.
 
The game's producer, Rockstar Games, said it stopped making the current version of the game and is now working on a new version. It said it would provide new labels to any retailer willing to continue selling the version currently on store shelves, which had been rated "M" for mature.
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Maybe you need to read it, sucka...

Its the retailers choice to continue to sell it or pull it and wait for the new version. So clearly they aren't "just slapping labels on it."
 
[quote name='Scorch']I meant they might stop allowing uploads for San Andreas. Hell, this could bring the death of Action Replay, if Take Two files a lawsuit.[/QUOTE]

I doubt this would bring the death of Action Replay, but it could bring them to bankruptcy with all the legal costs. I think Action Replay, if sued, would take the stance of something similiar to "guns don't kill people, people kill people" in court because it's really not their fault what people do once the product is in your house.

Oh and a question for people that know about this code. Does it matter which version of the Action Replay or can they all do it? I have a way older one and was just wondering. Oh, and what about Gameshark? Any word on them?
 
well, let me think about the value of this game...

ps2 version, less quality although easier to bypass
xbox, high quality more difficult version to access.
pc version, best quality, easiest to patch.. but rarely worth anything.
 
I doubt this would bring the death of Action Replay, but it could bring them to bankruptcy with all the legal costs.
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What the hell do you think "bring the death of Action Replay" means?!
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Bankruptcy = dead, my financially educated friend.

Does it matter which version of the Action Replay or can they all do it? I have a way older one and was just wondering.
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..does your Action Replay work with San Andreas and/or transferring XBox saves.. then there's your answer.

And before you answer that you have it for PS2 (if you do), that's what the "or" was for. The first statement applies to both systems while the latter applies to the XBox.
 
[quote name='Scorch']What the hell do you think "bring the death of Action Replay" means?!
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Bankruptcy = dead, my financially educated friend.[/QUOTE]
Nope.

Plenty of companies and firms have declared bankruptcy and have then went on to recover from it.
 
[quote name='Gothic_Walrus']Nope.

Plenty of companies and firms have declared bankruptcy and have then went on to recover from it.[/QUOTE]

Yaeh you beat me to it Gothic. I'm no finance attorney, nor deal anywhere close to it, but I'm sure that there are a few bankruptcies that they could file under and still continue to work, etc.
 
I wonder what game will be the next to fall with hidden, locked, content. It'd be great if it was something like BRATZ for GBA or something like that, maybe a "Choose yo baby daddy birth control game."
 
Right, but if there's restrictions placed on the modification of games, there's really no options they could have. Gameshark and Action Replay would both fold.
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']Maybe you need to read it, sucka...

Its the retailers choice to continue to sell it or pull it and wait for the new version. So clearly they aren't "just slapping labels on it."[/QUOTE]
They're doing both, basically. Let's leave it at that.
 
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