Hot stove topic (offseason baseball)

2005 is gonna be a fun season. So far my favorite part of the winter meetings has been Baltimore telling the Cubbies they'd take Sosa off their hands.... as long as Chicago continued to pay 80% of his contract!! I also see we have a lot of Boston fans here. Have fun with my Cardinals old SS, Renteria. He left because he wanted to play for "a winner", and a "traditional team". There are few teams that can match the winning tradition of the Cards (granted Boston probably surpasses on the tradition side). I like the guy, I just wish more players could change teams gracefully.
 
[quote name='robdees']2005 is gonna be a fun season. So far my favorite part of the winter meetings has been Baltimore telling the Cubbies they'd take Sosa off their hands.... as long as Chicago continued to pay 80% of his contract!! I also see we have a lot of Boston fans here. Have fun with my Cardinals old SS, Renteria. He left because he wanted to play for "a winner", and a "traditional team". There are few teams that can match the winning tradition of the Cards (granted Boston probably surpasses on the tradition side). I like the guy, I just wish more players could change teams gracefully.[/quote]
I would put Renteria in the money grubber category with Pedro (as most atheletes are, I don't really blame them), but he turned down more money from Seattle and Detroit, signifigantly more. Plus the Cardinals offer was heavily backloaded. Not that he didn't take the money and run, but he took the most money he could from a contending team.
 
robdees took me to school on page 2. Just thought I'd come on and acknowledge my miscue. I guess news travels slowly to those of us north of the border. I'm just hoping JP and the rest of the guys in Toronto get at least one quality starter before the spring starts.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Him and his agent are meeting with Steinbrenner and Brian Cashman today.[/quote]

Bernie shoul dput his home on the market he doesn't hit good enough for a DH
 
[quote name='vrs1650']Here is my take on the offseason.
AL-Angles, Yankees and Red Sox have seem to do what it takes to stay at the top or get back to the top. Should be another great year in the AL East. Hopefully both rotations can hold up.
A's have killed themselves. If Beane is as smart as everyone says, now is the time to prove it.
NL-Braves and well can't see anybody else who had a great offseason.
Dodgers and Mets both shot themselves in the foot. Dodgers got rid of a lot of talent. Picking up JD Drew and two more frontline starters could help. Mets, have you not learned with Mo Vaugh, Mike Cameron, and the list goes on and on. Pedro will be a flop.[/quote]

I can only hope that Beane knows what he's doing. I'm an A's fan and it's killing me to see him dismantle this team.
 
[quote name='The Shiznit'][quote name='vrs1650']Here is my take on the offseason.
AL-Angles, Yankees and Red Sox have seem to do what it takes to stay at the top or get back to the top. Should be another great year in the AL East. Hopefully both rotations can hold up.
A's have killed themselves. If Beane is as smart as everyone says, now is the time to prove it.
NL-Braves and well can't see anybody else who had a great offseason.
Dodgers and Mets both shot themselves in the foot. Dodgers got rid of a lot of talent. Picking up JD Drew and two more frontline starters could help. Mets, have you not learned with Mo Vaugh, Mike Cameron, and the list goes on and on. Pedro will be a flop.[/quote]

I can only hope that Beane knows what he's doing. I'm an A's fan and it's killing me to see him dismantle this team.[/quote]

Angels signed cabrera they sure are making a push
 
[quote name='dafoomie'] Ben Sheets could be a possibility around the trade deadline, Milwaukee will never sign him. .[/quote]

Au contraire. Milwaukee is already working on re-signing him and it should be done before during spring training once they are sure his injury has healed. I am loving this new owner and he hasn't even officially taken over yet. :D
 
[quote name='greendj27'][quote name='dafoomie'] Ben Sheets could be a possibility around the trade deadline, Milwaukee will never sign him. .[/quote]

Au contraire. Milwaukee is already working on re-signing him and it should be done before during spring training once they are sure his injury has healed. I am loving this new owner and he hasn't even officially taken over yet. :D[/quote]

lets just see how that pans out.
 
[quote name='greendj27'][quote name='dafoomie'] Ben Sheets could be a possibility around the trade deadline, Milwaukee will never sign him. .[/quote]

Au contraire. Milwaukee is already working on re-signing him and it should be done before during spring training once they are sure his injury has healed. I am loving this new owner and he hasn't even officially taken over yet. :D[/quote]
Good luck with that... He can get a huge contract if he plays this year out. More than Pavano just got if his ERA is under 4 this year. A massive contract if he matches last year's numbers or comes close. His 'injury' was just surgery on a herniated disc in his back, something that was bothering him for 2 years. Nothing to worry about.

Wade Miller just got non-tendered by the Astros, he'd be a nice pickup if he's cheap. He's been hurt a lot the last 2 years though.
 
[quote name='dafoomie'][quote name='greendj27'][quote name='dafoomie'] Ben Sheets could be a possibility around the trade deadline, Milwaukee will never sign him. .[/quote]

Au contraire. Milwaukee is already working on re-signing him and it should be done before during spring training once they are sure his injury has healed. I am loving this new owner and he hasn't even officially taken over yet. :D[/quote]
Good luck with that... He can get a huge contract if he plays this year out. More than Pavano just got if his ERA is under 4 this year. A massive contract if he matches last year's numbers or comes close. His 'injury' was just surgery on a herniated disc in his back, something that was bothering him for 2 years. Nothing to worry about.

Wade Miller just got non-tendered by the Astros, he'd be a nice pickup if he's cheap. He's been hurt a lot the last 2 years though.[/quote]

There was an article about the Brewers being willing to pay him to stay. I was surprised to read that as well. I believe I sqaw it in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. I know that the GM has also sasid that Sheets is untouchable. Granted this could all be posturing, but new ownership has got me in an optimistic mood. :D
 
\:D/ \:D/ Woo-Hoo! The Randy Johnson Trade fell through! Thank you LA for being smart on this one! \:D/ \:D/

The Yankees said that LA had already accepted it and backed out yesterday, and will be hesitant to trade with them again because of this.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_y...--?slug=ap-johnson-megadeal&prov=ap&type=lgns

What do you think of the possible trade to send Randy to the Yankees?

Yankees get:
Randy Johnson, P, AZ
Kaz Ishii, P, LA

Dodgers get:
Javier Vazquez, P, NYY
Dioner Navarro, C, NYY
Eric Duncan, 3B, NYY
Mike Koplove, P, AZ

D-backs:
Shawn Green, OF, LA
Brad Penny, P, LA
Yhency Brazoban, P, LA
Brandon Weeden, P, LA

LA would've gotten the bad end of the deal, and I'm glad they decided not to go through with it.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Paul DiPodesta = Santa Claus[/quote]

No kidding he even had a little Christmas in July with that awful trade he made mideseason last year
 
The Yankees will still get RJ just not with the Dodgers involvement. Arizona is pushing hard for the trade now too and they have been in contact with several other teams to try and work something out. It's going to happen.
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1951927

This is a great signing. If he never pitches a game, we're only on the hook for 1.5 million. Ricky Gutierrez made more than that. And the incentives don't even pay him a ton of money.

Schilling
Miller
Clement
Wells
Arroyo
Wakefield

I wonder who the odd man out is, though it won't happen until May, since Schilling is out for at least April. Wakefield might go to the pen, only one that could get traded is Arroyo.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1951927

This is a great signing. If he never pitches a game, we're only on the hook for 1.5 million. Ricky Gutierrez made more than that. And the incentives don't even pay him a ton of money.[/quote]

I'd go so far as to say that our rotation is better this year. Now the question is who is pushed out of the rotation Wakefield or Arroyo. At least now if Curt can't make the first month we will have a capable replacement for him.
 
[quote name='jlarlee'][quote name='dafoomie']http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1951927

This is a great signing. If he never pitches a game, we're only on the hook for 1.5 million. Ricky Gutierrez made more than that. And the incentives don't even pay him a ton of money.[/quote]

I'd go so far as to say that our rotation is better this year. Now the question is who is pushed out of the rotation Wakefield or Arroyo. At least now if Curt can't make the first month we will have a capable replacement for him.[/quote]
Now Schilling doesn't have to rush back, he can take his time. We replaced Pedro and Lowe with Miller, Clement, and Wells.

If Wade Miller can stay healthy, he should have as good or better of a year as Pedro does with the Mets. His ERA is usually under 3.5. With 6 starters, plus Halama and maybe Kim as spot starters, no one has to pitch hurt. Now we need some bullpen help in addition to Mantei, and we're set.
 
Varitek is coming back to the BoSox

and while I do think the Sox rotation looks good, I think they really should try to resign Lowe (do not think he was signed yet) as when it came down to the clutch, he came through (unlike Miller, Clement, and wellls have in the past)
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Varitek is coming back to the BoSox

and while I do think the Sox rotation looks good, I think they really should try to resign Lowe (do not think he was signed yet) as when it came down to the clutch, he came through (unlike Miller, Clement, and wellls have in the past)[/quote]

Lowe needs a change of scenery. I think he did so well in the postseason because he was miffed by being taken out of the rotation for the playoffs
 
that'd be cool if the redsox went with a 6 man rotation. everyone would get plenty of rest. now that'd be sweet. i wonder how true these delgado rumors are with the sox? what would they do with him 1B is covered and Big Papi is the DH
 
I think the Delgado rumors of him signing with the Red Sox are nothing. They have no where to play him, and probably will already be over the luxury tax limit like the Yankees even before taking on another huge contract. I would really like to see Delgado go to the Orioles, but they've already missed a ton of opportunities to sign pitching, which they really need since their lineup is already stacked. I'm also glad the Johnson trade didn't go though, since they would have got Ishii too who is a high-quality starter and really wouldn't have given up much. That trade would have been a disaster for the Dodgers, even worse than the one they made late last year.
 
[quote name='CrashSpyro123']\:D/ \:D/ Woo-Hoo! The Randy Johnson Trade fell through! Thank you LA for being smart on this one! \:D/ \:D/

The Yankees said that LA had already accepted it and backed out yesterday, and will be hesitant to trade with them again because of this.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_y...--?slug=ap-johnson-megadeal&prov=ap&type=lgns

What do you think of the possible trade to send Randy to the Yankees?

Yankees get:
Randy Johnson, P, AZ
Kaz Ishii, P, LA

Dodgers get:
Javier Vazquez, P, NYY
Dioner Navarro, C, NYY
Eric Duncan, 3B, NYY
Mike Koplove, P, AZ

D-backs:
Shawn Green, OF, LA
Brad Penny, P, LA
Yhency Brazoban, P, LA
Brandon Weeden, P, LA

LA would've gotten the bad end of the deal, and I'm glad they decided not to go through with it.[/quote]

All I can say is THANK GOD! Now hopefully with the signing of JD Drew we can start improving our team for next year. This trade would have killed us. Now get one or two starters, Lowe and someone else. We may be in a good position to make the playoffs again.
 
Yeah Beltre is rich now no doubt, but I actually think the Mariners got a pretty good deal on him considering his age and the numbers he put up last year. I guess the fact that this was his only really big year in the 6 or 7 he's been playing scared some teams away from shelling out more for him.
 
[quote name='lionheart4life']Yeah Beltre is rich now no doubt, but I actually think the Mariners got a pretty good deal on him considering his age and the numbers he put up last year. I guess the fact that this was his only really big year in the 6 or 7 he's been playing scared some teams away from shelling out more for him.[/quote]


yeah, thats what i was think. 1 monster year in his career and gets a pay day. thats what boras was hoping for. he is a shrewd business man. he gets what he wants.
 
[quote name='jlarlee'][quote name='CaseyRyback']Varitek is coming back to the BoSox

and while I do think the Sox rotation looks good, I think they really should try to resign Lowe (do not think he was signed yet) as when it came down to the clutch, he came through (unlike Miller, Clement, and wellls have in the past)[/quote]

Lowe needs a change of scenery. I think he did so well in the postseason because he was miffed by being taken out of the rotation for the playoffs[/quote]
Why would we sign Lowe when we have 6 better starters now? Lowe was in the worst 5 starters in baseball statistically last year. He would have to go to the bullpen. Plus he's asking for way, way too much money. Lowe really came through for us in the ALCS and the world series, big time, but unless we need another starter and he starts asking for short money, its time to say goodbye.

Delgado is not coming to Boston. We have too many first basemen now, we're trying to trade one of Millar or Mientkiewicz. Our primary objective from here on out is to get rid of one of them, get rid of Kim, and get some bullpen help and a backup infielder. The major moves are done.
 
[quote name='dafoomie'][quote name='jlarlee'][quote name='CaseyRyback']Varitek is coming back to the BoSox

and while I do think the Sox rotation looks good, I think they really should try to resign Lowe (do not think he was signed yet) as when it came down to the clutch, he came through (unlike Miller, Clement, and wellls have in the past)[/quote]

Lowe needs a change of scenery. I think he did so well in the postseason because he was miffed by being taken out of the rotation for the playoffs[/quote]
Why would we sign Lowe when we have 6 better starters now? Lowe was in the worst 5 starters in baseball statistically last year. He would have to go to the bullpen. Plus he's asking for way, way too much money. Lowe really came through for us in the ALCS and the world series, big time, but unless we need another starter and he starts asking for short money, its time to say goodbye.

Delgado is not coming to Boston. We have too many first basemen now, we're trying to trade one of Millar or Mientkiewicz. Our primary objective from here on out is to get rid of one of them, get rid of Kim, and get some bullpen help and a backup infielder. The major moves are done.[/quote]

one bad season starting should not negate the time he spent as a decent closer and the superb season he had the year before last

I just do not like major changes in a rotation from year to year as it usually leads to bad things
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']also want to add that when I saw this earlier today, it kind of shook me up. Sad to see him go as he was a great manager

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1953071[/quote]

yeah, that sucks. i've seen a few baseball names in the last few weeks pass away that i had no clue who they were, but oates is someone that i knew who he was. cancer is a very scary disease and especially in the brain. baseball has truly lost a great man.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback'][quote name='dafoomie'][quote name='jlarlee'][quote name='CaseyRyback']Varitek is coming back to the BoSox

and while I do think the Sox rotation looks good, I think they really should try to resign Lowe (do not think he was signed yet) as when it came down to the clutch, he came through (unlike Miller, Clement, and wellls have in the past)[/quote]

Lowe needs a change of scenery. I think he did so well in the postseason because he was miffed by being taken out of the rotation for the playoffs[/quote]
Why would we sign Lowe when we have 6 better starters now? Lowe was in the worst 5 starters in baseball statistically last year. He would have to go to the bullpen. Plus he's asking for way, way too much money. Lowe really came through for us in the ALCS and the world series, big time, but unless we need another starter and he starts asking for short money, its time to say goodbye.

Delgado is not coming to Boston. We have too many first basemen now, we're trying to trade one of Millar or Mientkiewicz. Our primary objective from here on out is to get rid of one of them, get rid of Kim, and get some bullpen help and a backup infielder. The major moves are done.[/quote]

one bad season starting should not negate the time he spent as a decent closer and the superb season he had the year before last

I just do not like major changes in a rotation from year to year as it usually leads to bad things[/quote]

One bad season? No he was the recepient of some damn good run support, his era was at 4.47 in 2003 and than to follow that up with a 5.43 he deserves nothing but the door hitting his arse on the way out. Yes he was a good closer for a while but he melted down pretty bad at the end of that stint. I really do think a change of scenery to a good defensive team will help his career
 
It seems the hot stove is starting to Peter out the only big deals to be done are for Beltran and to see where the big unit ends up
 
yeah. and all of that will probably be resolved in the next 2 weeks. it'll slow down for a while, then someone from out of nowhere will sign or be traded and rekindle the stove.

plus for a semi-Reds fan, that is hot news
 
Wow, I guessed i missed this topic, haven't seen it before.

Well, I need to change my avatar I guess. It sucks though when you hear these mega contracts, 5 years 40-60 million for guys who have losing career records (Pavano) or coming off season ending injuries (Sexson).

All my A's can do is trade away their two best players, Seattle signs $110 million in 24 hours, our payroll for years...
 
[quote name='goldengraham']Wow, I guessed i missed this topic, haven't seen it before.

Well, I need to change my avatar I guess. It sucks though when you hear these mega contracts, 5 years 40-60 million for guys who have losing career records (Pavano) or coming off season ending injuries (Sexson).

All my A's can do is trade away their two best players, Seattle signs $110 million in 24 hours, our payroll for years...[/quote]

At least they spent some money on some iffy players. beware the guy who has a career year when he's playing for a new contract. And Sexson has never impressed me. It's the Angels I would be worried about they have spent their money wisely
 
Oh yeah, I already figure the Angels will probably win the division by 10+ games this year, they are a monster

Anderson, Guerrero, Finley in the outfield, three headed monster.
 
[quote name='goldengraham']Oh yeah, I already figure the Angels will probably win the division by 10+ games this year, they are a monster

Anderson, Guerrero, Finley in the outfield, three headed monster.[/quote]

Finley is awesome. My uncle goes hunting with his dad. I got some stuff from him, back when he played for the astros
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback'][quote name='goldengraham']Oh yeah, I already figure the Angels will probably win the division by 10+ games this year, they are a monster

Anderson, Guerrero, Finley in the outfield, three headed monster.[/quote]

Finley is awesome. My uncle goes hunting with his dad. I got some stuff from him, back when he played for the astros[/quote]

IMO Finley is the best pickup of the season. He just adds a lot to a team and it seemed him signing there got very little publicity
 
If the A's are so strapped for cash, why would they go out and trade for Jason Kendall, who has one of the worst contracts in baseball? He makes 10, 11, and 13 million in each of the next 3 years. They couldn't have spent that money a little more wisely? Why would they even pick him up, if they're rebuilding?

Thank god Billy Beane turned down the Redsox job offer, first thing he would have done is trade Varitek, and pick up Mark Johnson to replace him. Oakland actually did pick him up in 03. Wow.

I find Billy Beane's offseason this year to be mindboggling. I thought his mantra was pitching wins?
 
[quote name='dafoomie']If the A's are so strapped for cash, why would they go out and trade for Jason Kendall, who has one of the worst contracts in baseball? He makes 10, 11, and 13 million in each of the next 3 years. They couldn't have spent that money a little more wisely? Why would they even pick him up, if they're rebuilding?

Thank god Billy Beane turned down the Redsox job offer, first thing he would have done is trade Varitek, and pick up Mark Johnson to replace him. Oakland actually did pick him up in 03. Wow.

I find Billy Beane's offseason this year to be mindboggling. I thought his mantra was pitching wins?[/quote]

he thinks he has a decent rotation in place. Maybe they will not be good next year, but he is banking on 2006 being a good year.

They had to do something, they have not got out of the first round yet (though they were robbed by fuckin Derek Jeter that one year)
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback'][quote name='dafoomie']If the A's are so strapped for cash, why would they go out and trade for Jason Kendall, who has one of the worst contracts in baseball? He makes 10, 11, and 13 million in each of the next 3 years. They couldn't have spent that money a little more wisely? Why would they even pick him up, if they're rebuilding?

Thank god Billy Beane turned down the Redsox job offer, first thing he would have done is trade Varitek, and pick up Mark Johnson to replace him. Oakland actually did pick him up in 03. Wow.

I find Billy Beane's offseason this year to be mindboggling. I thought his mantra was pitching wins?[/quote]

he thinks he has a decent rotation in place. Maybe they will not be good next year, but he is banking on 2006 being a good year.

They had to do something, they have not got out of the first round yet (though they were robbed by shaq-fuin Derek Jeter that one year)[/quote]

I am definetly of the mindset that Beane is a bit overrated. It defiently looks like the A's are already playing for 2006. I see the Yanks are ready to mortgage their future to get Johnson by offering the D'Backs their choice of prospects
 
The A's deal for Kendall was a pretty even trade monetary wise.

Rhodes and Redman's next two years come sto about even with Kendall's, especially with the Pirates paying a couple mil towards his 06 salary.

People say Beane is overrated but he seems to get it done almost every year, I'm not gonna doubt him, but this year doesnt have me feeling too great with Anaheim's moves (Seattle's pitching is still awful, Sexson (overrated) and Beltre (one good season) can't change that)
 
[quote name='goldengraham']The A's deal for Kendall was a pretty even trade monetary wise.

Rhodes and Redman's next two years come sto about even with Kendall's, especially with the Pirates paying a couple mil towards his 06 salary.

People say Beane is overrated but he seems to get it done almost every year, I'm not gonna doubt him, but this year doesnt have me feeling too great with Anaheim's moves (Seattle's pitching is still awful, Sexson (overrated) and Beltre (one good season) can't change that)[/quote]

you seem to forget Texas though. Without some key injuries late in the season, they could have made the postseason.

also I do agree with you. With the amount of times he has been to the postseason, and the payroll he has, he has done a great job. That team needed a shake-up as it was not getting past the first round, and even if they struggle now, they could be amazing in the future.
 
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