How does the PS3 fare as a Blu Ray player?

[quote name='anomynous']Not attacking you or anybody else, but:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BD-P1...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1177284662&sr=8-2


the Samsung Blu Ray player is currently $490 at amazon[/QUOTE]

Wonder how the quality is. For me, paying a little more to get gaming seems more worth it, but if you are strictly looking for movie playback, that might be a good alternative. This also upconverts, which is nice.

EDIT: guess not such a good deal, if those things are true.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Wonder how the quality is. For me, paying a little more to get gaming seems more worth it, but if you are strictly looking for movie playback, that might be a good alternative. This also upconverts, which is nice.[/QUOTE]
It's supposed to be an okay player, but at that price I would get a PS3
 
Yea. The price difference doesn't seem worth it when you forgo gaming capabilities, and a lesser blu-ray player. Does that player support Java? I know some movies require Java, and won't play on players that don't support it.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Yea. The price difference doesn't seem worth it when you forgo gaming capabilities, and a lesser blu-ray player. Does that player support Java? I know some movies require Java, and won't play on players that don't support it.[/QUOTE]
No, but I think you can still play the movies on the players that don't support BD-J, you just can't access the BD-J features. Gizmogic probably knows.
 
[quote name='anomynous']Not attacking you or anybody else, but:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BD-P1...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1177284662&sr=8-2


the Samsung Blu Ray player is currently $490 at amazon[/QUOTE]

That's not an attack...but I wouldn't buy a Samsung G1 unit unless it was $250. The load times are pretty slow and so far its uncertain if they will be able to properly take advantage of Blu-Java (which not really going to be in affect until October). At THIS point I would pass on all G1 units (including Sony) and stick with the PS3. Hell I'd even pass on the new Sony unit with the $600 tag. WAIT until November when we should know if Blu-Java can be run on these units...otherwise they may very well be useless.

Since the PS3 accounts for 95% if not more of all Blu-Ray players its a safe bet constant updates will happen. Who knows about these Samsung, Pioneer, LG Units. The only real thing the PS3 lacks that Samsung has is upscaling and who knows if the PS3 will ever get that option. I thought I read it was NOT possible on the PS3... (any info?)

So far the ONLY BR stand-alone that has interested me in the Dual Samsung one...as it SHOULD have all the issues worked out by its release date (Blu-Java and HDi).
 
Even if it was just the features you couldnt' access, would definitely be safer to go with the PS3. Gizmogc, what is the real deal with BDJ movies.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']The only real thing the PS3 lacks that Samsung has is upscaling and who knows if the PS3 will ever get that option. I thought I read it was NOT possible on the PS3... (any info?)[/QUOTE]

No clue. I really wish Sony would just come out and confirm whether or not upscaling is possible in the future. If the hardware is there, we can expect it, if not, then no. Problem is, no one has been able to say for sure.

I thought that one update allowed for horizontal scaling, which fixed the BC games looking non-crappy. I remember a lot of PS2/PS1 games looking worse on the PS3 than the PS2, but apparently the update that fixed that just horizontally upscaled all of them. If that's true, then the PS3 is capable of some sort of upscaling.

As for DVD upscaling. Even if it were possible, I couldn't see Sony providing it. That gives consumers one less reason to jump to Blu-ray, which they don't need. They want Blu-ray to seem like a huge jump over DVD, and comparing DVD to BD is a bigger difference than comparing upscaled DVD to BD.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Even if it was just the features you couldnt' access, would definitely be safer to go with the PS3. Gizmogc, what is the real deal with BDJ movies.[/QUOTE]

IIRC, It was something the BDA had promised would be available at launch...and that never happened. Now its suppose to be available around October....over a year since launch. Its very much like what HD DVD has with the HDi control.

Rumors are, the reason why Fox announced so many titles and then delayed them all is because of this, as well as BD+...

As of right now, its uncertain if ANY current Blu-Ray players will be able to 'handle' Blu-Java as they were designed without it in mind. So that $450 refurb Samsung may just be almost worthless in a few months. I personally would avoid ANY standalone BR player until Christmas, atleast then we will know which player can handle it.

Again, I may be wrong, but this is my understanding on this.
 
[quote name='dpatel']As for DVD upscaling. Even if it were possible, I couldn't see Sony providing it. That gives consumers one less reason to jump to Blu-ray, which they don't need. They want Blu-ray to seem like a huge jump over DVD, and comparing DVD to BD is a bigger difference than comparing upscaled DVD to BD.[/QUOTE]

VERY interesting theory, and that wouldn't shock me if that was true. The difference between DVD and Blu-Ray, even through a Composite cable, is noticable. Now DVD and Blu-Ray compared through HDMI is like night and day. If they enabled Upconverting, and you did have your PS3 hooked up through HDMI it wouldn't be as big as a difference, hence no reason to spend $30 on that Blu-Ray copy of X-Men III when the DVD version is $7.

Off-Topic:
I am really interested to see the upconversion on the new Elite 360...wonder if its as good as the standalone HD players? May be worth selling my current A2 and going that route since it can already upconvert through VGA, and HDMI may be EVEN better. When I had mine hooked up through VGA it looked very washed out.
 
So do players that can't handle BDJ still have the ability to play the movies (and just miss out on the BDJ features), or are they SOL on the entire movie?
 
[quote name='gizmogc']VERY interesting theory, and that wouldn't shock me if that was true. The difference between DVD and Blu-Ray, even through a Composite cable, is noticable. Now DVD and Blu-Ray compared through HDMI is like night and day. If they enabled Upconverting, and you did have your PS3 hooked up through HDMI it wouldn't be as big as a difference, hence no reason to spend $30 on that Blu-Ray copy of X-Men III when the DVD version is $7.

Off-Topic:
I am really interested to see the upconversion on the new Elite 360...wonder if its as good as the standalone HD players? May be worth selling my current A2 and going that route since it can already upconvert through VGA, and HDMI may be EVEN better. When I had mine hooked up through VGA it looked very washed out.[/QUOTE]
On my TV hooking the 360 up through VGA made it look like shit, waste of $40
 
[quote name='gizmogc']VERY interesting theory, and that wouldn't shock me if that was true. The difference between DVD and Blu-Ray, even through a Composite cable, is noticable. Now DVD and Blu-Ray compared through HDMI is like night and day. If they enabled Upconverting, and you did have your PS3 hooked up through HDMI it wouldn't be as big as a difference, hence no reason to spend $30 on that Blu-Ray copy of X-Men III when the DVD version is $7.[/QUOTE]

Yea. I'm pretty sure that is the reason. It sucks, but at least give us upscaled games. With last gen games, the upscaling makes a huge difference, which is why I have been waiting for this since day 1. I really doubt we will see it coming though. Not sure if that is because it's not possible, or if they just don't want to do it. BC just doesn't seem to be a priority. Of course, if consumers were more interested in it, they may focus on it more. But, seeing as how the 360 hardly supports any games with their BC, yet the 360 is doing just fine, that really tells companies that BC is almost a non-issue aside from a small vocal minority.
 
[quote name='anomynous']On my TV hooking the 360 up through VGA made it look like shit, waste of $40[/QUOTE]

How is VGA in terms of quality.

I know it goes: composite < component < HDMI

but where does VGA fit in.
 
[quote name='dpatel']So do players that can't handle BDJ still have the ability to play the movies (and just miss out on the BDJ features), or are they SOL on the entire movie?[/QUOTE]

IIRC, Movies will play, but certain special features will not. They will be crippled, much like HD playback is on the LG Dual unit.
 
Ah ok. Guess that isn't TOO bad, but I would still be pissed about missing certain features. Better just to go with the PS3 for now then.
 
[quote name='dpatel']How is VGA in terms of quality.

I know it goes: composite < component < HDMI

but where does VGA fit in.[/QUOTE]

I'm not too sure there. I believe its somewhere between Component and HDMI, but VGA looked like CRAP on my LCD and Plasma TV.
 
[quote name='Zoglog']VGA is slightly better quality than Component. But they're virtually the same since they both use the RGB analog.

 
[quote name='anomynous']too bad the $500 PS3 doesn't exist anymore, but oh well

And as far as my experience with VGA, I'd say:

Composite
 
[quote name='anomynous']too bad the $500 PS3 doesn't exist anymore, but oh well

And as far as my experience with VGA, I'd say:

Composite
 
[quote name='Zoglog']that's probably because your TV sucks. There's no reason that VGA should be worse than Component[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that TV is a 32" Polaroid TV (my parents got me it for Christmas, the TV is complete garbage) The speakers on it are COMPLETE shit
 
[quote name='Zoglog']that's probably because your TV sucks. There's no reason that VGA should be worse than Component[/QUOTE]

Not true. Ive hooked up my 360 via VGA on a 32" Westinghouse LCD and a 42" HP Plasma...looked like crap. Westinghouse LCD's, while cheap, are GREAT TVs. My HD-A2 and Blu-Ray simply shine on them. Now his may be bad because its a polaroid, but Ive tried it on both of my TVs, as well as a few friends (who wanted the HD add-on for the 360 and wanting upscaling DVDs) and even theres looked like crap. Lets not even get into how I got no sound out of either TV unless I actually REMOVED a pin from the damn cable.

Component all the way on the 360 for me until I get an Elite.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Not true. Ive hooked up my 360 via VGA on a 32" Westinghouse LCD and a 42" HP Plasma...looked like crap. Westinghouse LCD's, while cheap, are GREAT TVs. My HD-A2 and Blu-Ray simply shine on them. Now his may be bad because its a polaroid, but Ive tried it on both of my TVs, as well as a few friends (who wanted the HD add-on for the 360 and wanting upscaling DVDs) and even theres looked like crap. Lets not even get into how I got no sound out of either TV unless I actually REMOVED a pin from the damn cable.

Component all the way on the 360 for me until I get an Elite.[/QUOTE]
Is your 42" HP Plasma 720p/1080i? If so, we have the same TV


And I guess Sony could add BD-J support for the PS3, I'm sure it can emulate the BD-J chips or whatever it needs
 
[quote name='anomynous']Is your 42" HP Plasma 720p/1080i? If so, we have the same TV[/QUOTE]

Yes. It has the detachable speakers on each side. I thought you had a Polaroid, or is that a different TV you own?
 
[quote name='Zoglog']that's probably because your TV sucks. There's no reason that VGA should be worse than Component[/quote]

I have a 46" Sony Bravia from Costco and the VGA works fine using my Mac Mini but looks like total shit when using the 360 VGA cable. Component looks MUCH better. I think the problem is the 360's shitty cable, IMO.

Or it just might have to do with the 360 hooking up to a Sony TV. ;)
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Yes. It has the detachable speakers on each side. I thought you had a Polaroid, or is that a different TV you own?[/QUOTE]
I have the Polaroid, and I have the HP
 
[quote name='anomynous']I have the Polaroid, and I have the HP[/QUOTE]

Gotcha. The HP is an awesome TV and the 360 looks great on it (actually better on my Westinghouse though :cry: ).
 
Really want to take the PS3 plunge and the rumors of a price drop are making the possibility of purchasing one a reality. Sure it will cause my wife to divorce me, but hey, its a PS3!
 
I agree with those that say Component>VGA. I actually took some pictures in comparison, I will post them when I can find them. The VGA colors looked flat and the image washed out in comparison to the component picture.
 
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