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Was wondering what level your people need to be to finsh the game

right now im 40 hours into the game and hooked on the item world part i just got done with the 7th chapeter out of 14 and got hook on the item world part was wondering with these people could i just walk though the entire 14 chapters without a problem

best 3 fighters are

Lahari
LV 89
HP 4060
SP 583
Att 1386
DEF 359

Etha
LV 63
HP 2025
SP 398
ATT 648
DEF 448

DRAGON
LV 63
HP 2210
SP 573
ATT 1058
DEF 785

rest of the group is between LV 44-64

ALSO how do you open up the CAVE OF ??? I always get nos
 
I'm on Chapter 11 and my best 3 fighters are all below level 35. How did you get yours so high on chapter 7? That fancy level with the invincible geos?
 
I played in the cave of trials a lot... but you need to be pretty strong to start there to begin with.

Just go into an item with monsters a few levels below you and by the time you get to level 10 you should be having a work out....

My laharl has been transmigrated like 8 times... I can go to a certain level and do one attack and get him from level 1 to 100.

Ninjas are also great characters too. When you bump up their speed they hardly get touched... however, it makes them a bitch to heal with magic.
 
Your doing fine. I think I was only at level 75 with Laharl when I beat the final chapter. You should have no problems with the rest of the main story quest.


[quote name='slidecage']ALSO how do you open up the CAVE OF ??? I always get nos[/QUOTE]
I had this same problem when I first tried opening up all the secret maps. Eventually I realized there was no way I would be able to bribe enough senators to pass the bill. I would have to fight them. If you're like I was then you're probably not ready to take on lv1000+ senators just yet but there is another way.

When you throw senators together they will merge and whichever one of them has the higher level will be dominate (including if he voted yay or nay). If you can get just 1 high level senator to vote yay then you can use him to merge with all the others until only he is left. This is the only way to take out tough senators early in the game. You also technically don't kill anyone so none of them will hold a grudge. The hardest part is getting that one senator on your side.
 
Offtopic but after owning the game for 2 years, I finally beat the game the other day. Finally put that nail in the coffin of games beaten. I'm proud. :)
 
[quote name='slidecage']Was wondering what level your people need to be to finsh the game

right now im 40 hours into the game and hooked on the item world part i just got done with the 7th chapeter out of 14 and got hook on the item world part was wondering with these people could i just walk though the entire 14 chapters without a problem

best 3 fighters are

Lahari
LV 89
HP 4060
SP 583
Att 1386
DEF 359

Etha
LV 63
HP 2025
SP 398
ATT 648
DEF 448

DRAGON
LV 63
HP 2210
SP 573
ATT 1058
DEF 785

rest of the group is between LV 44-64

ALSO how do you open up the CAVE OF ??? I always get nos[/QUOTE]


playing it over the weekend dont have stats but i still havent started the 8th chapter yet but now my main person is LEVEL 120 . Im hooked on item world. if you go in with a necklace your bonus is like 100,000 to 500,000 per floor you beat. i was able to get a Add on for 2000 hps one time.

its just too bad P.Brave wasnt as fun as this im going to rerent it today (for the 4th time not costing me a cent cause i got free year rentals for Hollywood buy buying gamecubes and DS last xmas

i got them so high cause about 30 of the 40 hours i put into this game was all on the Item world side.. i can go up around 8-12 levels with the main person in item world in around 30 mins
 
I only realized last night that you should use the invincible stages in the item world for mass power-leveling. I'd always gone to the 5-3 stage, but the enemies on that map combined only go up to level 112. In the item world last night, I was fighting SEVERAL level 171 enemies. My death-dealing characters were going up 10-12 levels per map!
I feel like an idiot for not realizing this before.
 
well i decided to leave item world and finsh the game. Game was very very easy to finish cause i was so freaking high in levels .

final time 60 hours

best 3

Laharl
Lv 215
Hp 17270
sp 2028
attack 5380
def 1427

Etna
LV 88

hp 2814
att 788
def 788

Dragon
LV 84
HP 3144
Sp 1044
Attack 1443
Def 1330

i only took Laharl out from Mission 8 to 14 and was able to kill everything. After you beat the game you can REPLAY IT ?? cause it says CYCLE 2? But why would you

im playing PHanton Brave right now (in around 3 hours but on mission 4) I dont like the Random dungons in BRAVE i loved item world

Im going to rent LA tactics from Gamefly next week to see what that is like
 
we were talking about this game at work today (even tho I never played it before)

one dude said he spent like over 200 hours on it and still cannot beat Bal coz that enemy is level 4000 or something

sounds crazy
 
I think I've heard that the top level for characters is 10,700 and for monsters is 9999. That's what's crazy.
 
Does anyone know what transmigrate do? I know it changes your class, but in order to go from rogue to theif you have to transmigrate? Or within same "class" it will just advance the title itself.

I tried it once and it seems like you lose bunch stat points.... just wonder if it's worth to do a char transmigrate
 
You'll notice that Level doesn't really matter too much in the Disgaea (heck many of the recent Nippon Ichi SRPG are this way), just build some good, strong equipment and the last boss is a pushover.

I beat the last battle with just a level 5 Paladin.
 
[quote name='pinkkirby']Does anyone know what transmigrate do? I know it changes your class, but in order to go from rogue to theif you have to transmigrate? Or within same "class" it will just advance the title itself.

I tried it once and it seems like you lose bunch stat points.... just wonder if it's worth to do a char transmigrate[/QUOTE]

Transmitigation just makes your charaters have higher initial stats and stat growth. Each time you do it your character should grow stronger faster. But, it's not really the most efficient way to power up though.
 
[quote name='Zer0X1999']Transmitigation just makes your charaters have higher initial stats and stat growth. Each time you do it your character should grow stronger faster. But, it's not really the most efficient way to power up though.[/QUOTE]

Ic. Thanks. So in other words, in order for my Rogue to become Thief, I must transmigrate even those Rogue/thief is like the same "family/category"? (i think it's rogue->thief->bandit... and so on).
 
I think I beat if the frist time with level 80 or so, all you really need is a strong fighter, a healer and a couple of mages to cast brave or whatever it is called.
 
anyone know how to open the Extra worlds.

Like human world the other neitherland and i think there is 1 or 2 more to open.

first time though i beat it at LEVEL 215

just got the game to keep and starting my second time though

some questions

Does anything change the more times you play it or is it the same old same old

I like playing in ITEM world of the 60 hours i played it at least 40 of them has been in item world.

What is even more NUTS is i have around 29 MILLION in cash

i never though cash was hard to come by cause ONE HiGH item in item world ususally you can grab between 500,000 to 3 million in just one 10 stage walk though

one time i got 4.5 million in just 10 floors of the item world

so cash isnt hard to come by. ALSO love grabbing high end items and selling them for even more $$$$

my man person is top promotion, top movement and top counterstricke. TOO Bad there are not more games like this .
 
[quote name='pinkkirby']Ic. Thanks. So in other words, in order for my Rogue to become Thief, I must transmigrate even those Rogue/thief is like the same "family/category"? (i think it's rogue->thief->bandit... and so on).[/QUOTE]

Yeap. Leveling up will only unlock the class, to actually change your character you'll need to transmitigate.
 
[quote name='KwanzaaTimmy']where could someone pick up this game? As far as I can tell all online retailers are out of stock.. :([/QUOTE]

I have seen a bunch (maybe re-print?) at IL Fry's. Selling for full price I beleive.
 
[quote name='Zer0X1999']Yeap. Leveling up will only unlock the class, to actually change your character you'll need to transmitigate.[/QUOTE]

Thanks... Man.. I tried it and the rogue will lose like 70% of his current stat. sigh.

Is there any reason for the demon prince to transmigrate? Not like he can change class... I do not see any reason to do so?
 
[quote name='KwanzaaTimmy']where could someone pick up this game? As far as I can tell all online retailers are out of stock.. :([/QUOTE]

best place seems your local Ebgames but expect to pay 44.99 for it used

how many used copies that are starting to pop up makes you wonder what is going on.
 
i moved a BLUE MAGE and turned them into a fighter.

High hp high attack and Magic to boot

thinking about doing this with my healers
 
Level 330 now i have like 45,000 hps for the main person.

i was just now able to open up the other neitherworld or whatever its called (you need like 3,000 influance on the senators) i got lucky and had a level 400 monster on my side so i just tossed everyone into them to win the battle.

What is nuts is the 3rd map all of the creatures are like level 300-400 on this is only on the 3rd map.

there is another map to open *u need 5000 ranking to even attempt to get a vote) if the 2nd open map is this hard that map must be insane hard.


ANyone know any other games like this i tried La tactics and didnt like it and hated phatom brave.
 
[quote name='pinkkirby']I have seen a bunch (maybe re-print?) at IL Fry's. Selling for full price I beleive.[/QUOTE]
yeah Frys has hella new copies, even in Cali
 
[quote name='JEKKI']yeah Frys has hella new copies, even in Cali[/QUOTE]

theres a rumor going around that this game has been reprinted or something and you will start to see them back in the stores for 49.99..

this might be the reason why your starting to see EBgames have them used for 44.99 cause few months back you couldnt find these almost anyplace


same with the HACKS (that might be the reason the hacks are crashing in price
 
[quote name='Eduadro X']Go to http://www.doublejumpbooks.com/disgaea/ and download the free Strategy Guide. It'll tell you how to do EVERYTHING.[/QUOTE]

Or you can go to gamefaqs and get the faqs there as well. They're the same. As for the unlockables:

Alt. Netherworld - Get a high enough rank at the dark assembly,pass the bill.Used for unlocking Priere

Baal's tower - Beat all levels of Alt. Netherworld and Mysterious Seal.Used to fight Baal and Uber-Prinny Baal

Cave of Ordeals - Get a high enough rank and pass the bill for it.Used for extreme leveling.

Human world - Beat the human invasion chapters and pass the bill.Used for getting the human conqueror ending.

Mysterious Seal - Get a high enough rank at the assembly and do the bill.Used for unlocking Marjoly.

Prinny Land - After the reincarnation chapter,pass the bill.Used for unlocking more prinnies.

And if you think Baal's difficult, wait till you actually beat him and play w/ his 'other' version, Prinny Baal. With that said, don't forget to steal, steal, and steal Baal's equipment. He's got some really nifty stuff.
 
man i got to stop playing this game

Up to 80 hour in my main person

LEVEL 502
HP around 60,000
SP around 5000
ATTACK AND DEF both over 10,000

INSANE
 
i really need to get farther in the game. I'm in the heaven area and am only level 80 with Laharl :whistle2:( I really want to see the other area's, this game is great.
 
i just got the mystey sealed open (The thing you need 5000 ranking to get a vote)

man the first map you fighting 2 1200 LV monster and 1 1500 LV right off the back.


anyone know how you clear the 5 CAVE map cause you need to THROW 12 spots and none can do more then 6
 
ElfAngel7: A good place to level up is map 3 (I think) of the last stage. It is the one with 4 enemies on a simple plain and +50 experience squares (I don't remember the specifics). I used this map until I could handle Cave of Trials 3. Remember you can make enemies stronger to get more experience if you want to speed up leveling.


[quote name='slidecage']anyone know how you clear the 5 CAVE map cause you need to THROW 12 spots and none can do more then 6[/QUOTE]

There is a 1 square island in between the two bigger islands. You need a thief (or Gordon) to throw far enough to reach it. Then you need another thief to reach the second island from the 1 square island. Also, once you cross there is no crossing again or going back. The guy on the 1 square island will be stuck there and block everyone else.

That Zombie King was almost impossible for me to beat the first time I tried. Tough as hell and he didn't even have a super horse weiner or something
 
Ok... I did a lot of searching (here and gamefaq, and yes I downloaded the free guide someone post above)
I am still confused as heck, maybe I am just retarded. If someone could answer the questions below I would really appreciate it.

1. I am at level 102. This demon prince has patehtic HP of maybe ~3000. Attack is at around 4500 , Defense is at somewhere 1500 ish. Am I doing something wrong? (And yes, other than my main guy, rest of the crew are absolutly useless) I am around 35-40 hours into gameplay.

2. How fast is it for you guys to level? Is 10 levels per every 2 hours seems extremely slow? I am sure this is, since you are supposely able to get your Char to lvl 9999.....

3. Why does demon prince have "transmigrate"? I don't see him changing class, what's the use of him doing it? I was thinking, if everytime you level, the game raises each stat based on your currnet level of base stats - so does that mean if you transmigrate (starting from lvl 1 with a lot higher base stats than the last time you were at lvl 1) Does this mean when you reach the same level again after transmigrate, your stats will be significantly higher?

4. The item world... there is a faq on this in gamefaq... but I don't see the effect. Everytime when you level up an item, do you supose to insert as many specialist as you can, so when the item level the stat boost will be higher?
Also, does the power of the specialist effect the stat boost after leveling up? Or it's the "number" of specialist inserted that matters?
EX: inserting 13 Gladiator add total of 100 dmg to a sword, compare to inserting 1 single power 100 gladiator.

Man, I am just not getting this game at all.. but sure it's addictive.
 
[quote name='pinkkirby']Ok... I did a lot of searching (here and gamefaq, and yes I downloaded the free guide someone post above)
I am still confused as heck, maybe I am just retarded. If someone could answer the questions below I would really appreciate it.

1. I am at level 102. This demon prince has patehtic HP of maybe ~3000. Attack is at around 4500 , Defense is at somewhere 1500 ish. Am I doing something wrong? (And yes, other than my main guy, rest of the crew are absolutly useless) I am around 35-40 hours into gameplay.

2. How fast is it for you guys to level? Is 10 levels per every 2 hours seems extremely slow? I am sure this is, since you are supposely able to get your Char to lvl 9999.....

3. Why does demon prince have "transmigrate"? I don't see him changing class, what's the use of him doing it? I was thinking, if everytime you level, the game raises each stat based on your currnet level of base stats - so does that mean if you transmigrate (starting from lvl 1 with a lot higher base stats than the last time you were at lvl 1) Does this mean when you reach the same level again after transmigrate, your stats will be significantly higher?

4. The item world... there is a faq on this in gamefaq... but I don't see the effect. Everytime when you level up an item, do you supose to insert as many specialist as you can, so when the item level the stat boost will be higher?
Also, does the power of the specialist effect the stat boost after leveling up? Or it's the "number" of specialist inserted that matters?
EX: inserting 13 Gladiator add total of 100 dmg to a sword, compare to inserting 1 single power 100 gladiator.

Man, I am just not getting this game at all.. but sure it's addictive.[/QUOTE]

1. Try going into ITEM world. That is how i got the dude up to 60,000 HP you equip items on to them. I got 2 Muscels that are over 6000 HP bouns each + a magic item that adds another 2,000 so just in items there is an extra 14,000 hp

2. again item world your person will level very quickly. ALSO if the bouns is EXP when you clear the level the others will level up very quick as well. ONE item map i finshed everyone got 700,000 bouns exp

3. I did that with a Mage user and a healer. and turned them into ninjas or fighters (IE magic users with tons of HPS) no reason to trans the main 2 people

4.. I could never understand this and really never paid attention to it too confusing :) i just go to item world and try to kill everything .. it does get boring after a while ... Some say you can go down 100 LV in item world but some items only allow 30

my main person is like 534 with close to 65,000 or 70,000 hp but i played for around 80 hours and 60 of those hours have been spent in item world.

start an item world item where the creatures start around LV 80 and you Level up very fast. the TRAIL OF ORDER Map 3 Is also a great way to level but you will want to be level 200 or highr since all the creatures are like LV 150

THE SEAL the last Bouns maps you can open are NUTS the first Map had LV 1500 monsters
 
[quote name='slidecage']
3. I did that with a Mage user and a healer. and turned them into ninjas or fighters (IE magic users with tons of HPS) no reason to trans the main 2 people

I see, thanks for your reply. Oh well, I just think there must be a faster way to level the chars. Don't get me wrong, i have no problem beating the story (blah who has anyways) and my main guy can kill enemies with level close almost twice as high as he is.. But I just dont' think going for lvl 9999 or even 3000 is gonna be quick at all.
 
yea im like level 512 or someplace like that and im getting really bored with the game.

too strong to take on the normal story mode but too weak to move on the hidden boards (i think map 5 or 6 I think the monsters are level 1200 and 1500)

and the SEAL first map the monsters are the same level.

Easy way to get STRONG MONSTERS is toss them into your Control panel with your strongest fighter in there. I just tossed what looks like a LION creature level 400 in the control pannel and caught them

SO now i have

the main dude at 512 and two lion creatures at 400

too bad this game wasnt like HACK. What i mean by that is

LA Tactics was part 1
This was part 2
Phantom brave was part 3

meaning that you could Move everyone from this part to a new game and keep building up your people like you did in the HACK Games.

I think HACK was the only game that did this (besides golden sun)

we need more games like HACK where you can move your people from game to game that would be wicked and it would give you a reason why to keep buidling up your people....

One person on another site said they had the game over a year and was like level 2500 and still cant beat some of the maps and they are like 300 hours in.

i dont know about you but i think i would be very very bored with this game before i reach LV 2500

the CAVE OF ORDEL Map 3 Trick used to net 10 levels per turn but now its only 2 per turn and not really worth it.


ITS a great game for the first 50-80 hours but it goes down hill big time since then.
Im just glad i found this game when my pc was broke cause i would of gone nuts having nothing to do. I was playing this game 5-6 hours a day when my pc was gone for 2 weeks
 
Well the three NIS games are not really connected aside from some reference. The problem with the .hack game is that you are basiclly doing the same thing for 4 games and most people felt it should be one game. (There is no real improvement between the .hack games).
 
haha yeah, well I will just keep playing until I am done.
Well, my gaming cycle usually goes:
Play real exciting big titles with awesome graphics (ex: rE4, GOW, GT4..)
then switch to normal grahpics but RPG that only nerds want to level up (like Disgaea)
then off to multiplayer pc game (ex: CS, soon guild war)
then take a month off doing a lot of sports stuff...
back to another huge title.... repeat

Hopefully I will get to lvl 1000 at least.
 
[quote name='62t']Well the three NIS games are not really connected aside from some reference. The problem with the .hack game is that you are basiclly doing the same thing for 4 games and most people felt it should be one game. (There is no real improvement between the .hack games).[/QUOTE]

i wouldnt care if the game improved or not but gave it longer to run with. I will admit they did drag Hack out I mean it should of been maybe 3 games at the most they didnt have enough to make 4 games.

BUt either way i would still like to see more games that you can port your people over so you can build build build.

taking a 65,000 hp person and crushing a poor little LV 1 12 hp monster gets very boring after a while
 
[quote name='pinkkirby']Ok... I did a lot of searching (here and gamefaq, and yes I downloaded the free guide someone post above)
I am still confused as heck, maybe I am just retarded. If someone could answer the questions below I would really appreciate it.

1. I am at level 102. This demon prince has patehtic HP of maybe ~3000. Attack is at around 4500 , Defense is at somewhere 1500 ish. Am I doing something wrong? (And yes, other than my main guy, rest of the crew are absolutly useless) I am around 35-40 hours into gameplay.

2. How fast is it for you guys to level? Is 10 levels per every 2 hours seems extremely slow? I am sure this is, since you are supposely able to get your Char to lvl 9999.....

3. Why does demon prince have "transmigrate"? I don't see him changing class, what's the use of him doing it? I was thinking, if everytime you level, the game raises each stat based on your currnet level of base stats - so does that mean if you transmigrate (starting from lvl 1 with a lot higher base stats than the last time you were at lvl 1) Does this mean when you reach the same level again after transmigrate, your stats will be significantly higher?

4. The item world... there is a faq on this in gamefaq... but I don't see the effect. Everytime when you level up an item, do you supose to insert as many specialist as you can, so when the item level the stat boost will be higher?
Also, does the power of the specialist effect the stat boost after leveling up? Or it's the "number" of specialist inserted that matters?
EX: inserting 13 Gladiator add total of 100 dmg to a sword, compare to inserting 1 single power 100 gladiator.

Man, I am just not getting this game at all.. but sure it's addictive.[/QUOTE]

You guys seems really confused in this thread. Just go to gamefaqs.com and read up. Everything is explained quite thoroughly.

But just to give some quick answers:

1) I don't remember what my stats were at that level.

2) If you aren't leveling fast enough, you either need to unlock some of the extra worlds, or pass a bill to increase the strength of the enemy. Also, if you're on a level with an "invinicible" tile, throw all of the enemies into each other so that they form a single super-high-level enemy. Then just stand on the tile and defeat it.

3) Transmigration raises both your base stats, and the amount of stats that you gain per level. So if you have two princes, and one is Transmigrated, after 100 levels, the Transmigrated prince should have much higher stats. Thus there is always a benefit in Transmigrating, even if it's for the same class. However, the amount of stat boost you gain is based on your current stats when you Transmigrate, so there is an optimal level that you should transmigrate if you want to increase your stats quickly (check gamefaqs.com).

4) Basically, there are two bonuses that specialists give. The first is just addition - their level is simply added to the appropriate stat. So a level 100 specialist adds 100 to a stat when they are equppied. However, there is a second bonus that occurs when the item levels up (essentially, every time you complete a floor in Item World). Each specialist that is equipped on the item when you level it up will give a slight boost in their stat. So to maxmimze a stat, completely fill the item with a certain specialist (it doesn't matter what level they are, as long as all of the slots are filled). Then level up the weapon to its maximum. Finally, you can unequip the speciailists and equip which ever high-level specialists you want.

Once again, all of this info is far better described at gamefaqs.com.

Hmmm, talking about this is making me want to dig out this game and play it again.
 
[quote name='spaceloaf']You guys seems really confused in this thread. Just go to gamefaqs.com and read up. Everything is explained quite thoroughly.

But just to give some quick answers:

1) I don't remember what my stats were at that level.

2) If you aren't leveling fast enough, you either need to unlock some of the extra worlds, or pass a bill to increase the strength of the enemy. Also, if you're on a level with an "invinicible" tile, throw all of the enemies into each other so that they form a single super-high-level enemy. Then just stand on the tile and defeat it.

3) Transmigration raises both your base stats, and the amount of stats that you gain per level. So if you have two princes, and one is Transmigrated, after 100 levels, the Transmigrated prince should have much higher stats. Thus there is always a benefit in Transmigrating, even if it's for the same class. However, the amount of stat boost you gain is based on your current stats when you Transmigrate, so there is an optimal level that you should transmigrate if you want to increase your stats quickly (check gamefaqs.com).

4) Basically, there are two bonuses that specialists give. The first is just addition - their level is simply added to the appropriate stat. So a level 100 specialist adds 100 to a stat when they are equppied. However, there is a second bonus that occurs when the item levels up (essentially, every time you complete a floor in Item World). Each specialist that is equipped on the item when you level it up will give a slight boost in their stat. So to maxmimze a stat, completely fill the item with a certain specialist (it doesn't matter what level they are, as long as all of the slots are filled). Then level up the weapon to its maximum. Finally, you can unequip the speciailists and equip which ever high-level specialists you want.

Once again, all of this info is far better described at gamefaqs.com.

Hmmm, talking about this is making me want to dig out this game and play it again.[/QUOTE]

An extra side note:

There was a GF debate of Transmigration vs. Equipment and it was found out that you gain more benefits (stats-wise) by grabbing better equipment and leveling it up by going into the item via the Item World. In terms of Specialists, I prioritize like this:

1. ) Statisticians (more stats -> more exp -> faster leveling)
2. ) Gladiatiors (more glads -> more raw power -> faster kills)
3. ) Whatever else comes my way

Be sure to steal from Baal since he's got premiere equipment such as the Super Robot Suit. Oh yeah, speaking of Baal, try to beat him as soon as possible since they make passing bills a lot easier. Passing the bills easier means you can upgrade the enemies' levels faster and thus gain more experience. I've gotten my Larharl up to 1300 after about 200 hours of gameplay (with lots of visits to Cave of Ordeals 3 and 5 and then when the leveling started to slow down, the item worlds of my highest level items).
 
[quote name='spaceloaf']You guys seems really confused in this thread. Just go to gamefaqs.com and read up. Everything is explained quite thoroughly.

2) If you aren't leveling fast enough, you either need to unlock some of the extra worlds, or pass a bill to increase the strength of the enemy. Also, if you're on a level with an "invinicible" tile, throw all of the enemies into each other so that they form a single super-high-level enemy. Then just stand on the tile and defeat it.

3) Transmigration raises both your base stats, and the amount of stats that you gain per level. So if you have two princes, and one is Transmigrated, after 100 levels, the Transmigrated prince should have much higher stats. Thus there is always a benefit in Transmigrating, even if it's for the same class. However, the amount of stat boost you gain is based on your current stats when you Transmigrate, so there is an optimal level that you should transmigrate if you want to increase your stats quickly (check gamefaqs.com).

4) Basically, there are two bonuses that specialists give. The first is just addition - their level is simply added to the appropriate stat. So a level 100 specialist adds 100 to a stat when they are equppied. However, there is a second bonus that occurs when the item levels up (essentially, every time you complete a floor in Item World). Each specialist that is equipped on the item when you level it up will give a slight boost in their stat. So to maxmimze a stat, completely fill the item with a certain specialist (it doesn't matter what level they are, as long as all of the slots are filled). Then level up the weapon to its maximum. Finally, you can unequip the speciailists and equip which ever high-level specialists you want.

Once again, all of this info is far better described at gamefaqs.com.

Hmmm, talking about this is making me want to dig out this game and play it again.[/QUOTE]

Yeah you got that right.... I am confused as heck. But your reply was very helpful. Thanks!

2. I tried tossin' to form one stronger enemy... last night I was at an invisible square, demon prince was lvl 117 and he killed a monster at lvl 360. I gained 1 lvl. ONE LEVEL!!!!! I am going to kick myself in the ballz. I was expecting like 5 lvl gain at least.


3. Great, this is exactly what I wanted to know - optimal transmigration lvl. I have looked through gamefaq files and I really don't find these. Are you talking about the message board? That's probably the only place I haven't read.

4. Good this is what I usually do, filling every slot with specialist. I just don't see a huge stat boost or it really doesn't matter much when your attack is 5500 and the difference is like 20.. but I guess on higher level item it makes difference.
 
LEVEL 630 now

Attack around 25,000
Def around 18,000
HP around 64,000

and still cant beat the dragons on CAVE map 5

i think i need more DEF : ) basic attack hits for 12,000 per dragon but they can hit back for the same amount
 
[quote name='pinkkirby']Yeah you got that right.... I am confused as heck. But your reply was very helpful. Thanks!

2. I tried tossin' to form one stronger enemy... last night I was at an invisible square, demon prince was lvl 117 and he killed a monster at lvl 360. I gained 1 lvl. ONE LEVEL!!!!! I am going to kick myself in the ballz. I was expecting like 5 lvl gain at least.[/QUOTE]

You gotta pass stronger bills. And yeah, it's kind of a catch-22 when you gotta beat stronger enemies so you can be strong enough to beat the congress but you don't always need to beat the congress. Find the strongest senator who voted for you and toss those who voted against you (must be weaker than the senator) on that senator. But you need to be at least strong enough to survive a few spells and attacks from those senators. Also while this is happening be sure NO DAMAGE is done to the ally senator - either from you or splash damage from the enemy senators' spells.

[quote name='pinkkirby'] 3. Great, this is exactly what I wanted to know - optimal transmigration lvl. I have looked through gamefaq files and I really don't find these. Are you talking about the message board? That's probably the only place I haven't read.[/QUOTE]

They say it's optimal to start transmigrating at lvl. 700 or 900 since the stat bonus are minimal pass 1200 or so. But if you read my post earlier, the boards also said that transmigration is not really that big a deal since if you want to gain skills other than your job class you can just create an apprentice who has the skills you want and syphon it off them since masters can learn their apprentices' spells.

[quote name='pinkkirby'] 4. Good this is what I usually do, filling every slot with specialist. I just don't see a huge stat boost or it really doesn't matter much when your attack is 5500 and the difference is like 20.. but I guess on higher level item it makes difference.[/QUOTE]

The stat boost doesn't become noticable until you're ubergodlike = say around 2000 or 3000. If you can swipe Prinny Baal in under 3 moves, then you know you've achieved godhood.
 
[quote name='slidecage']LEVEL 630 now

Attack around 25,000
Def around 18,000
HP around 64,000

and still cant beat the dragons on CAVE map 5

i think i need more DEF : ) basic attack hits for 12,000 per dragon but they can hit back for the same amount[/QUOTE]

I just checked Saladin's FAQ and it said not to even attempt this stage until you've gotten to level 1500 minimum - you're just wasting time. Spend more time building up on Cave of Ordeals 3. Pass stronger bills to get you up to lvl 1500 sooner.
 
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