HR 1388 - Obama Youth?

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Can someone confirm this? I got in an email forward, but still, if it's legit then wtf? I'm not joining :bomb: And why aren't people trying to stop this if this is really happening? I don't get it :whistle2:k

EDIT: I have done absolutely no research here, nor anywhere else. Yes, I am indeed lazy. I think the youth deal and volunteer work could be good, but no religion and protesting? Some of the rules are quite shitty in my opinion.


Source : HR 1388
So in other words, you can't go to church, you can't work for money, you can't volunteer anywhere else, you can't be involved in labor unions, and you can't be involved in political parties. In other words, the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to you.

*NOTE: HR 1388 passed in the House and is going to the Senate.

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[/FONT] This bill's title is called "Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and
 Education" (GIVE). It forms what some are calling "Obama's Youth Brigade."

 Obama's plan is to require anyone receiving school loans and others to serve at least three months as part of the brigade. His goal is one million youth! This has serious Nazi Germany overtones to it.

 The Bill would forbid any student in the brigade to participate in or engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services,
providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities
devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or
engaging in any form of religious proselytization. That means no church
attendance or witnessing.

Here is part of the HR1388 Bill's wording:

 SEC. 1304.. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

 Section 125 (42 U.S.C. 12575) is amended to read as follows:

 SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

 (a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:

 (1) Attempting to influence legislation.

 (2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.
 …

 (In other words dissent is not allowed nor is dissenting influence.)

(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.

 (Whatever happened to freedom of religion and keeping government OUT of religion? Can't everyone see what's going on ....?)

Think I'm making this up?

 Okay, read through it

 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.1388:

Welcome to "change" you can hardly believe!
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[/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua, Bookman]The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.[/FONT] —[FONT=Book Antiqua, Bookman] Thomas Jefferson

To disarm the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them… - George Mason

[/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua, Bookman]To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them… - Richard Henry Lee
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So, in short, you have a problem with people being unable to push a political or religious agenda under the aegis of state-sponsored public service work?

EDIT: And might I add how amusing I find the fact that the mere notion of mandatory civil service evokes such a furor. (Pun intended.)
 
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It sounds like they don't want you helping a religious group while your receiving funds to do volunteer work. They don't want the government supporting any religions, which if these volunteers were helping out specific religious groups, I could see people getting very angry that their tax dollars were going toward that.
This sounds like it applies to the three month period when they are in this program, they don't want you pushing any agenda when you are doing work for them. If you read it, there is nothing in there about not being able to attend church, you can't run services for them, which could technically fall under volunteer work (as I assume you would not be getting paid.) They just don't want you pushing any specific groups, in a way that could be considered volunteering, when you are suppose to be working for them and getting paid by them to be volunteering. They are keeping government out of religions because they aren't letting a government program support religion.
 
It's basically the continued separation of church and state with federally sponsored "employees".

In short, whether you are a top-level government official, or a volunteer receiving federal funds for college that is not a loan, you can not use your position or "time on the clock" to push a political or religious agenda.

Honestly, you get the same rules if you work at McDonald's. Chick-Fil-A, however....

~HotShotX
 
[quote name='HotShotX']It's basically the continued separation of church and state with federally sponsored "employees".

In short, whether you are a top-level government official, or a volunteer receiving federal funds for college that is not a loan, you can not use your position or "time on the clock" to push a political or religious agenda.

Honestly, you get the same rules if you work at McDonald's. Chick-Fil-A, however....

~HotShotX[/quote]

Excuse me? I think a clarification is in order.
 
The House and the Senate passed this in March. Obama signed it into law on April 21. How did you not know about it then?

Someone sends you a spam/chain email and you're all up in arms about it? Are you kidding?!
 
[quote name='Law_Professor']The House and the Senate passed this in March. Obama signed it into law on April 21. How did you not know about it then?

Someone sends you a spam/chain email and you're all up in arms about it? Are you kidding?![/quote]

Well, it seems like an increasing trend (since the first stimulus package last year) that people get upset about it after it was passed and not before-hand because of what's actually in the bill. Well...at least moreso than in previous years in such a short amount of time.
 
99% of chain mails are bullshit (and 100% of those involving politics), everybody should know this by now.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Excuse me? I think a clarification is in order.[/quote]

I'm referring to federal employees like NASA or Homeland Security, not your typical dipshit politician who usually completely blur the lines of Church and State, be it Dem or Repub.

~HotShotX
 
Love it. Love it. Love it. A generation of kids so spoiled, lazy, instantly gratified, and self-centered that volunteer work in exchange for college loans is considered the second coming of Nazi Germany.
 
[quote name='HotShotX']I'm referring to federal employees like NASA or Homeland Security, not your typical dipshit politician who usually completely blur the lines of Church and State, be it Dem or Repub.

~HotShotX[/quote]

I kinda figured that's what you meant.
 
[quote name='HowStern']Love it. Love it. Love it. A generation of kids so spoiled, lazy, instantly gratified, and self-centered that volunteer work in exchange for college loans is considered the second coming of Nazi Germany.[/QUOTE]
Meanwhile, the previous generation jerks off to how they worked sooooo much harder, how they weren't just as spoiled or gratified, and how selfless they were, when that's just bullshit. :whistle2:?
 
[quote name='Doc Bacca']It sounds like they don't want you helping a religious group while your receiving funds to do volunteer work. They don't want the government supporting any religions, which if these volunteers were helping out specific religious groups, I could see people getting very angry that their tax dollars were going toward that.
This sounds like it applies to the three month period when they are in this program, they don't want you pushing any agenda when you are doing work for them. If you read it, there is nothing in there about not being able to attend church, you can't run services for them, which could technically fall under volunteer work (as I assume you would not be getting paid.) They just don't want you pushing any specific groups, in a way that could be considered volunteering, when you are suppose to be working for them and getting paid by them to be volunteering. They are keeping government out of religions because they aren't letting a government program support religion.[/quote]

You sir, explained all questions that I had of this, without offending me, or anyone else. For this, I thank you. To the people claiming I'm lazy, while that does count in politics, I AM NOT lazy in work related issues. I despise old people when they feel the need to spread their smug air of douche-ness. I believe I said in my original post "I think the youth deal and volunteer work could be good." I do not understand where this laziness talk is coming from other than the fact that I only do political research if I deem it necessary. I must agree that a lot of kids are quite lazy though.

I misinterpreted the reading. I apologize for doing so. Thank you Doc Bacca, and HotShotX for helping me understand this.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']If you got something in a forwarded email, it's fake. No question. This applies to any circumstance.[/QUOTE]

But what about my Irish Lottery winnings?
 
I've always wanted to find some bill flying under the rader, find a provision that can be construed to sound ominous, and write a really heinous chain mail about how we're all going to be wearing brown shirts at the alter of Obama just to see how far it would get.
 
[quote name='speedracer']I've always wanted to find some bill flying under the rader, find a provision that can be construed to sound ominous, and write a really heinous chain mail about how we're all going to be wearing brown shirts at the alter of Obama just to see how far it would get.[/quote]
Awesome :lol:
 
I looked into the quotes at the bottom of the forward that xsouthparkx presumably got from his mother.

Jefferson quote: Appears to be fake.

Richard Henry Lee quote: seems real, though I had no idea who the fuck that was until I looked him up.

Mason quote: the full version goes like this...
No man has a greater regard for the military gentlemen than I have. I admire their intrepidity, perseverance, and valour. But when once a standing army is established, in any country, the people lose their liberty. When against a regular and disciplined army, yeomanry are the only defence—yeomanry, unskillful & unarmed, what chance is there for preserving freedom? Give me leave to recur to the page of history, to warn you of your present danger. Recollect the history of most nations of the world. What havoc, desolation, and destruction, have been perpetrated by standing armies? An instance within the memory of some of this house, -will shew us how our militia may be destroyed. Forty years ago, when the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great-Britain, the British parliament was advised by an artful man, [Sir William Keith] who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people. That it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them. But that they should not do it openly; but to weaken them and let them sink gradually, by totally diffusing and neglecting the militia.
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So, I dunno, I give it a 50%. Which, to be fair, is what I usually get when it comes to founding father quotes.
 
I'm pretty amazed this email went reductio ad Hitlerum within two sentences. That's pretty impressive for something that wants to be forwarded by as many people as possible.
 
So is Obama a fascist or a communist? How is it possible to be so radical that you're at both extreme ends of the political spectrum?
 
[quote name='depascal22']So is Obama a fascist or a communist? How is it possible to be so radical that you're at both extreme ends of the political spectrum?[/QUOTE]

The article makes it pretty clear that Obama is a National Socialist.
 
[quote name='Fanboy']The article makes it pretty clear that Obama is a National Socialist.[/quote]

So a Democrat in radical conservative clothes. Very interesting.
 
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