Humble Bundle Thread

Cheaplikeafox OS X said:
I mean, I'm well aware that this is HiB sort of conditioning us to look at bundle prices differently and pull in more devs, but I'd much rather have this set up with quality games in it than a cheaper bundle with games I'm less likely to play.
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Hope next one brings Kerbal at $10 ;)

 
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Cheaplikeafox OS X said:
It's a combination of things.

Prison Architect is a game with good reviews from a popular/well known dev and this is close to the historical low for the game itself.

Add to that the relatively small difference between the $10 and the average at $7.XX and it makes it a lot easier for people to say "I can add PA for only $2.xx"

Gone Home historical low is $4.99. Luftrausers and Papers Please around $2.50 each? So while by CAG or old HiB standards $10 might seem crazy, it's actually a really good deal for the games. People were paying $1 to $2 for Hammerwatch alone just a few months ago when it glitched and gave extra copies.

I paid $10 for 6 games I didn't have and wanted. So it's around $1.66 a game. If each of these games glitched on Steam for that price, I'm sure a ton of people would pick them up and be happy about it.

I mean, I'm well aware that this is HiB sort of conditioning us to look at bundle prices differently and pull in more devs, but I'd much rather have this set up with quality games in it than a cheaper bundle with games I'm less likely to play.
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Cheaplikeafox OS X said:
It's a combination of things.

Prison Architect is a game with good reviews from a popular/well known dev and this is close to the historical low for the game itself.

Add to that the relatively small difference between the $10 and the average at $7.XX and it makes it a lot easier for people to say "I can add PA for only $2.xx"

Gone Home historical low is $4.99. Luftrausers and Papers Please around $2.50 each? So while by CAG or old HiB standards $10 might seem crazy, it's actually a really good deal for the games. People were paying $1 to $2 for Hammerwatch alone just a few months ago when it glitched and gave extra copies.

I paid $10 for 6 games I didn't have and wanted. So it's around $1.66 a game. If each of these games glitched on Steam for that price, I'm sure a ton of people would pick them up and be happy about it.

I mean, I'm well aware that this is HiB sort of conditioning us to look at bundle prices differently and pull in more devs, but I'd much rather have this set up with quality games in it than a cheaper bundle with games I'm less likely to play.
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That makes sense and all but you're not accounting for the cheapskates buying it for a penny like based tebow, and all the people buying it at $1. I don't think they're being completely transparent with how the average works because that would drag it way down, especially the people buying at a penny.

 
vince_carter said:
That makes sense and all but you're not accounting for the cheapskates buying it for a penny like based tebow, and all the people buying it at $1. I don't think they're being completely transparent with how the average works because that would drag it way down, especially the people buying at a penny.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the "average" is actually the "average of purchases $1 and above". Then again, we already know that they seed the purchases with a bunch of high-value fakes before it starts.
 
For historical context, here's the average prices of Humble numbered indie bundles via wikipedia:

Indie bundle 1: $9.18

Two: $7.85

Three: $5.83

Four: $5.45

Five: $8.53

Six: $6.48

Seven: $6.70

Eight: $5.86

Nine: $4.90

Ten: $5.36

Eleven: $4.71

To be honest I'm not sure what to make of this information


vince_carter said:
That makes sense and all but you're not accounting for the cheapskates buying it for a penny like based tebow, and all the people buying it at $1. I don't think they're being completely transparent with how the average works because that would drag it way down, especially the people buying at a penny.
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except those people are ALWAYS there. the obvious previously non-existing variable in the numbered hib is the 10 and $65 tiers

 
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pasports31 said:
For historical context, here's the average prices of Humble numbered indie bundles via wikipedia:

Indie bundle 1: $9.18

Two: $7.85

Three: $5.83

Four: $5.45

Five: $8.53

Six: $6.48

Seven: $6.70

Eight: $5.86

Nine: $4.90

Ten: $5.36

Eleven: $4.71

To be honest I'm not sure what to make of this information
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Nothing without knowing when the average is from. Is it an hour after launch? A day after? A week after? Once the bundle ends? Once it ends and you can no longer increase your payment?

 
I was hoping it would be different since this is a numbered bundle, but it looks like we'll probably never see more than 3 games in the $1 tier again.

 
vince_carter said:
That makes sense and all but you're not accounting for the cheapskates buying it for a penny like based tebow, and all the people buying it at $1. I don't think they're being completely transparent with how the average works because that would drag it way down, especially the people buying at a penny.
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Detruire said:
It wouldn't surprise me if the "average" is actually the "average of purchases $1 and above". Then again, we already know that they seed the purchases with a bunch of high-value fakes before it starts.
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Someone posted stating that purchase below $1 do not get calculated into the average. So that would explain part of it.

I'm the first to bitch about pricing and humble and I do think their pricing strategies are annoying. They definitely let people know ahead of time/have people ready to donate high amounts early on to not allow people to get in really cheap early. That's a given. This time though they seem to have found a sweet spot between BTA, higher tier, and games in order to have the average around a level I think they are happy with so I wouldn't expect anything to change in the future.

 
pasports31 said:
For historical context, here's the average prices of Humble numbered indie bundles via wikipedia:

Indie bundle 1: $9.18
Two: $7.85
Three: $5.83
Four: $5.45
Five: $8.53
Six: $6.48
Seven: $6.70
Eight: $5.86
Nine: $4.90
Ten: $5.36
Eleven: $4.71

To be honest I'm not sure what to make of this information.
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What I see here is a roughly even distribution, after people got a bit more used to the idea of HIB (the first two being outliers, essentially); though that distribution dipped a little over the last two or three. V is also an outlier; as I recall, it was the first HIB that not only included high profile titles, but was almost exclusively composed of them.

It seems like 12 is going to be another outlier, or perhaps the start of a new trend. I wouldn't be too surprised at this rate if the average is pretty close to $10 by the end of the bundle.

Detruire said:
Nothing without knowing when the average is from. Is it an hour after launch? A day after? A week after? Once the bundle ends? Once it ends and you can no longer increase your payment?
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I'm guessing these are the end of bundle numbers. I doubt they update the averages after that, even with people who increase their order amounts after the fact.
 
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Almost talked myself into getting the $10 because of the high BTA but I refuse to pay for Early Access games that should be free like I don't know Alpha/Beta testing games just like the old days. $1 for now and more if the unlocks are good.

 
headpiece747 said:
Almost talked myself into getting the $10 because of the high BTA but I refuse to pay for Early Access games that should be free like I don't know Alpha/Beta testing games just like the old days. $1 for now and more if the unlocks are good.
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The way I look at EA is I would never buy an EA game on it's own unless it's a really good deal...like this is. I mean, you do get the finished product when it's done, and who knows when you'll be able to get it for only 2 bucks or so next. I think the concept of EA in general is dumb, but it is what it is. If something like Divinity Original Sin hit two bucks on the Steam front page when it was in EA you can bet I'd be all over it, and so would virtually everybody who frequents the PC threads on this site. Basically...EA is stupid in concept and abused in practice but it's counter productive to make sweeping generalizations and refuse to buy based on a moral stance, imho

 
pasports31 said:
The way I look at EA is I would never buy an EA game on it's own unless it's a really good deal...like this is. I mean, you do get the finished product when it's done, and who knows when you'll be able to get it for only 2 bucks or so next. I think the concept of EA in general is dumb, but it is what it is. If something like Divinity Original Sin hit two bucks on the Steam front page when it was in EA you can bet I'd be all over it, and so would virtually everybody who frequents the PC threads on this site. Basically...EA is stupid in concept and abused in practice but it's counter productive to make sweeping generalizations and refuse to buy based on a moral stance, imho
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I only play free Alpha/Beta games when I am not convinced on a game or want to play it now to see if it lives up to the hype (Destiny) but if I buy an Early Access game that I end up hating then I am stuck with a game I hate and can't get my money back. I can get rid of of an Alpha/Beta game by uninstalling it for free with the only waste being my time.

 
headpiece747 said:
I only play free Alpha/Beta games when I am not convinced on a game or want to play it now to see if it lives up to the hype (Destiny) but if I buy an Early Access game that I end up hating then I am stuck with a game I hate and can't get my money back. I can get rid of of an Alpha/Beta game by uninstalling it for free with the only waste being my time.
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yeah but that's true with any game on steam...if you buy it and hate it you're stuck with a game you hate and can't get your money back. i just think if you're at all interested in prison architect, regardless of feelings regarding ea games, you should get it because when it's finished you might never see it for this price again.

 
I work at a place where we cannot access humble, ebay, CAG and other sites I would like.  I saw the BTA at 7.85 and just bought $10 level.  I agree with Fox with comments about this bundle finding a sweet spot and actually planned out well with regards to the tiers.  The only game I already had was Hammerwatch thus only 1.67 per game basically.  I would be thrilled if the second week's BTA included some good titles that I do not have yet.  Nice job humble.

 
pasports31 said:
yeah but that's true with any game on steam...if you buy it and hate it you're stuck with a game you hate and can't get your money back. i just think if you're at all interested in prison architect, regardless of feelings regarding ea games, you should get it because when it's finished you might never see it for this price again.
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I buy games that are the finished product game on steam and if I hate it your right I am stuck with it but I am talking about an unfinished product game that I am beta testing for a fee. Steam has most games hit 75% off or more during sales and most liking if a game is bundle once it will be bundled in the future. Imagine if this Early Access thing catches on and everyone does it from Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo and any other platform. I don't see how this isn't just playing for Alpha/Beta test games that have been free for years.

 
I went in at $10 too, owned 0 of the bundle games and played Prison Architect on a friends PC earlier this year and enjoyed it so might as well.  Very clever job on the pricing and bundle list, hope some more good games get unveiled next week.

 
headpiece747 said:
I buy games that are the finished product game on steam and if I hate it your right I am stuck with it but I am talking about an unfinished product game that I am beta testing for a fee. Steam has most games hit 75% off or more during sales and most liking if a game is bundle once it will be bundled in the future. Imagine if this Early Access thing catches on and everyone does it from Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo and any other platform. I don't see how this isn't just playing for Alpha/Beta test games that have been free for years.
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Yeah, but my thing is there isn't much harm to it. You don't have to buy the game, you can wait til it's done. Which is what I choose to do 99% of the time. But if it did catch on and Nintendo, for example, made their next Zelda game early access and it somehow showed up for 2 bucks, again, I'd buy it. Hate the concept but I'm not going to ignore a good deal on a game I want simply due to disagreeing with the early access trend. The best case scenario of skipping is likely the game shows up in another bundle for similar value. There's no guarantee that happens. Due to the success of games like Rust, Kerbal, etc, Early Access is already here to stay, whether you like it or not. Do what you want, but I'd still recommend buying it if you want it.

 
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Shocked to see so many CAGs buying in at more than a $1 on the first day. Way to crank up the BTA FakeCAGs.  :speaktothehand:

 
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headpiece747 said:
Almost talked myself into getting the $10 because of the high BTA but I refuse to pay for Early Access games that should be free like I don't know Alpha/Beta testing games just like the old days. $1 for now and more if the unlocks are good.
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headpiece747 said:
I only play free Alpha/Beta games when I am not convinced on a game or want to play it now to see if it lives up to the hype (Destiny) but if I buy an Early Access game that I end up hating then I am stuck with a game I hate and can't get my money back. I can get rid of of an Alpha/Beta game by uninstalling it for free with the only waste being my time.
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pasports31 said:
yeah but that's true with any game on steam...if you buy it and hate it you're stuck with a game you hate and can't get your money back. i just think if you're at all interested in prison architect, regardless of feelings regarding ea games, you should get it because when it's finished you might never see it for this price again.
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The thing about this whole "I don't want to pay for beta/alpha testing" argument is that for most alpha/betas you don't get to get a copy of the full game once it is finished/released. There's been a few betas/alphas that have done that (I think Battleblock Theater and a few others) but for the most part that really isn't a good comparison.

It does take away from being able to play a game before release to figure out if you like it, but more and more devs aren't doing demos nowadays anyway and a beta/alpha isn't always the best way to gauge how much you like a game since any good dev will usually fix/improve a game in response to beta/alpha testing.

 
Which gets finished first, Splot (from the Humble Frozenbyte Bundle in April 2011) Voxatron (from the Humble Voxatron Debut in Oct 2011) or Prison Architect (in the current bundle)?

 
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The End said:
Which gets finished first, Splot (from the Humble Frozenbyte Bundle in April 2011) Voxatron (from the Humble Voxatron Debut in Oct 2011) or Prison Architect (in the current bundle)?
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Prison Architect is the only one that I've seen any progress on in the last year. Without any Steam presence, I have no idea what's happening with the other two, although I could swear that I read somewhere that Splot had been cancelled years ago.

EDIT: Guess not, and if that's to be believed (lol), Splot should be the first to be completed. Then again, it's been almost 14 months since Frozenbyte told me that they'd fix the regional pricing on their games....

 
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Are people seriously complaining about the price? Not to mention it's for charity. It's called cheapassgamer not stingyassmofo.

Also did I mention. Charity.

 
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Kikyou1 said:
Are people seriously complaining about the price? Not to mention it's for charity. It's called cheapassgamer not stingyassmofo.

Also did I mention. Charity.
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Kikyou1 said:
Pretty sure I have been around for a while. But there is still a difference between being cheap, which I am. And being greedy. Come on guys it's for a good cause. Not only do you help the developers but people in need.
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Kikyou1 said:
Pretty sure I have been around for a while. But there is still a difference between being cheap, which I am. And being greedy. Come on guys it's for a good cause. Not only do you help the developers but people in need.
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But I don't like charity and I don't like helping indie devs.
 
spoderman said:
But I don't like charity and I don't like helping indie devs.
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I can respect that. I know you are joking.

And Fox have you seen my profile? I'm not a lurker I just have other hobbies. But are you seriously going to defend people shading charities? How is the person trying to create awareness for them the bad guy here? And you can't say this conversation hasn't created awareness even if to poke fun at it a lot of people have already replied in minutes.

 
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Kikyou1 said:
I can respect that. I know you are joking.

And Fox have you seen my profile? I'm not a lurker I just have other hobbies. But are you seriously going to defend people shading charities? How is the person trying to create awareness for them the bad guy here? And you can't say this conversation hasn't created awareness even if to poke fun at it a lot of people have already replied in minutes.
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Kikyou1 said:
I can respect that. I know you are joking.

And Fox have you seen my profile? I'm not a lurker I just have other hobbies. But are you seriously going to defend people shading charities? How is the person trying to create awareness for them the bad guy here? And you can't say this conversation hasn't created awareness even if to poke fun at it a lot of people have already replied in minutes.
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Charities are great if people like them and if they actually use the money for charity instead of overpaying employees and "expenses." Above all though, I value personal freedom of people being as cheap as they want and spending their money how they wish (whether it be charity, devs, or humble directly). Humble also has the freedom of choice to price their games as they wish so why judge the consumer for paying what they are allowed?

 
Cheaplikeafox OS X said:
Charities are great if people like them and if they actually use the money for charity instead of overpaying employees and "expenses." Above all though, I value personal freedom of people being as cheap as they want and spending their money how they wish (whether it be charity, devs, or humble directly). Humble also has the freedom of choice to price their games as they wish so why judge the consumer for paying what they are allowed?
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Different opinions then. I always thought it felt better to give back then to get a good deal. In this case people would be giving back and getting a good deal. So I don't really understand where the complaints are comming from.

 
There are people who pay literally a penny just because they can. You're preaching to the wrong crowd. People rich or poor will take whatver they can get even if it screws someone over.
 
Cheaplikeafox OS X said:
The thing about this whole "I don't want to pay for beta/alpha testing" argument is that for most alpha/betas you don't get to get a copy of the full game once it is finished/released. There's been a few betas/alphas that have done that (I think Battleblock Theater and a few others) but for the most part that really isn't a good comparison.

It does take away from being able to play a game before release to figure out if you like it, but more and more devs aren't doing demos nowadays anyway and a beta/alpha isn't always the best way to gauge how much you like a game since any good dev will usually fix/improve a game in response to beta/alpha testing.
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With an alpha/beta it it's development like early access then you can buy it when it's released. They will fix/improve an early access from feedback or take your money and run or keep it in limbo for years with small/big updates.
 
Kikyou1 said:
Are people seriously complaining about the price? Not to mention it's for charity. It's called cheapassgamer not stingyassmofo.

Also did I mention. Charity.
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honestly, my profession is essentially charity. i can escape it via my hobbies if i want to.

also, the point of humble isn't charity. the point of humble is to make money and exploit charity as a marketing technique in order to do so.

 
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