Hunger in America

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Most Americans get plenty to eat, according to a survey of 50,000 people conducted last year for the Economic Research Service (ERS) of the U.S. Department of Agriculture. The ERS says the survey indicates that 87 percent of Americans -- more than 250 million people -- are considered "food secure." They don't have to worry about where their next meal will come from.

That leaves 38 million people classified as "food insecure" by the government. They can't be sure they'll have enough money for food. About a third of that group at times goes without eating.

The nation's biggest cities have the biggest proportion of people reporting food insecurity, with 17 percent saying they fit that description. But people from the country's smallest communities are not far behind. Fifteen percent of the rural people surveyed are uncertain about getting enough food. Many of them live in households where at least one adult works. A 2001 survey by America's Second Harvest of 32,000 people receiving emergency food from food banks, food pantries and shelters found that 40 percent had at least one adult working.

The Second Harvest survey shows that many people have difficult choices to make if they and their families want to eat. Some 45 percent said they had to choose between eating and paying utility bills, at times. More than a third had to choose between food and rent or mortgage payments. Thirty percent faced a trade-off between food and medicine or medical care.

Wreatha Hankins is a 37-year-old mom with three children and a working husband. She has resorted to extraordinary measures to make sure her family eats, including skipping meals herself, skipping medicine for epilepsy and chronic back pain, doing her own dental work, selling family heirlooms and scouring Smyth County for the cheapest food available. She searches for food bargains at dollar stores, flea markets, roadside stands and the nearly expired meat section at supermarkets.

"We're the working poor," Wreatha says. In fact, Robbie Hankins works full-time at a cement plant. Wreatha works part-time as a substitute teacher. Last year, the couple made $22,000. That puts them just below the federal poverty threshold for a family of five. But it's too much for food stamps. The family does get a monthly, 125-pound box of groceries from a local food pantry. And the children get free lunches at school. Eating otherwise is sometimes a challenge. "It bothers me knowing that I don't know whether we're going to have food from one week to the next," says Robbie.

The "food insecure" in rural places face special challenges. High gas prices make the hunt for cheap or free food expensive. Some rural people, especially the disabled and elderly, don't have cars, or cars that run reliably. And grocery stores and food pantries are fewer and farther between.

The Hankins are typical of the families seeking help at the Bread of Life Community Food Pantry in nearby Saltville, Va. "Actually, nine-tenths of the people we have do work," says Jennifer Cross, who runs the food pantry with her father. "A lot of them have jobs with no insurance. By the time they go to the doctor and buy medicine, there's no money left for food."

The Hankins family hasn't always lived this way. Times were better a decade ago, when the Hankins lived in Maryland and made as much as $70,000 a year. A dispute with an employer cost Robbie his job as a plant supervisor. He had family in Smyth County, Va., where manufacturing jobs were plentiful then. That was just before the county lost more than 2,500 textile and furniture plant jobs to what a local official calls "overseas competition."

Wreatha told a preacher once that she considered selling her soul for food. "But I haven't sold my soul," she says, "because there's a lesson here. Somewhere, there's a lesson."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5018670

Tina recently lost her job in a microchip assembly plant. Before she became unemployed, Tina made sure she and her husband ate well -- natural foods and organic produce. They avoided the sugary, high-fat foods that cause obesity or diabetes. Now they have to settle for what they can get.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5023788

More than 13 million families in 2004 were unable at times to buy the food they needed.....

Remember, the national minimum wage is still $5.15 per hour; that's $10,300 a year for a fulltime job. ......

I have been in poor communities where you are 30 or 40 miles from a store that manages its vegetables so they don't rot in bins. A year ago , I was in a Tunica, Miss., Piggly Wiggly food market examining the role of gambling in the economic growth of the region, and what I found there was a lot of normal products, except for the vegetables and the meat counter. The vegetables were wilted lettuce and dried apples, or even tomatoes with black spots. At the meat counter, I found mostly chicken wings and ham hocks, packaged in every conceivable way to produce a ham hock, and they're 90 percent fat. That's the sum of what's available for people to buy. Low-income communities support retail operations that sell low-cost goods. When it comes to food, low-cost items do tend to be high in fat and low in nutritional content......

According to the USDA, in 2004 the average monthly food stamp benefit was about $86 per person and about $200 per household. This average of $200 is just over one-third of what the USDA recommends a family of four should expect to spend on food using its Thrifty Food Plan.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5021812

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5023829
 
[quote name='rywateska']The families with kids who can't eat should spend more time working instead of making babies.[/QUOTE]

If you read the article (difficult I know) it said that 40% of families had someone working in one survery done and in saltville, va nine tenths were estimated to be working by the food pantry.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']If you read the article (difficult I know) it said that 40% of families had someone working in one survery done and in saltville, va nine tenths were estimated to be working by the food pantry.[/QUOTE]

Haha, that still leaves 60% unemployed.
 
[quote name='rywateska']Haha, that still leaves 60% unemployed.[/QUOTE]

Yea! Why don't they just get a job! Lazy fuckers!
 
Well, employment statistics are misleading. Many areas have limited job opportunities or people, whether they are disabled or have some other problem, often have difficulty finding or maintaining a job. People who have repeatedly failed at getting a job or have been unable to maintain a job (my father falls into this category, but the doctors can't figure out whats causing his problem so he can't claim disability) often stop actively looking. This isn't to say they wouldn't take a job if offered or don't want to work, its that they find their attempts to find work pointless due to past failues, or they do not believe they will be able to stay employed (again, the problem with my father). Many areas do not have enough jobs for everyone, this is particularly common in some rural areas. Since the unemployment rate only counts those actively looking these people are not counted.
 
Obviously we need to lower the poverty line and increase the foodstamp allowance so that eveyone can eat for free. And don't forget free transportation and heathcare, too. All those damn rich people are stealing the food from the poors' refrigerators.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Obviously we need to lower the poverty line and increase the foodstamp allowance so that eveyone can eat for free. And don't forget free transportation and heathcare, too. All those damn rich people are stealing the food from the poors' refrigerators.[/QUOTE]

I say if Canada can offer free health care, why cant we? Aren't we supposed to be the greatest nation in the world?
 
obiously if a family is making less than 25,000 they should not have to pay taxes, besides sales and sin taxes. Ohh and lets not forget that damn DEATH tax, we need to get rid of it because it hurts the poor who are worth more than 3 million dollars.
 
[quote name='Danro']I say if Canada can offer free health care, why cant we? Aren't we supposed to be the greatest nation in the world?[/QUOTE]

Nothing is free, Danro, it has to come from somewhere and be paid for.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Nothing is free, Danro, it has to come from somewhere and be paid for.[/QUOTE]

It's free to the end user. While some people believe they're taxed high in Canada, Canadian taxes are typically fairly on par with American Taxation.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']It's free to the end user. While some people believe they're taxed high in Canada, Canadian taxes are typically fairly on par with American Taxation.[/QUOTE]

Not that I ever want to find myself siding with bmulligan (and I'm certainly not going to repeat his boring-ass Milton Friedman bullshit tautology), but I'd like to see you break this down for me. Details, if you don't mind.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Not that I ever want to find myself siding with bmulligan (and I'm certainly not going to repeat his boring-ass Milton Friedman bullshit tautology), but I'd like to see you break this down for me. Details, if you don't mind.[/QUOTE]

I think he's half right. If I remember correctly the poor pay less but the rich pay more. But there is also a federal goods and services tax that's 7% (plus whatever the provinces tack on, ontario sales tax comes to 15%), so they get money there as well.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Not that I ever want to find myself siding with bmulligan (and I'm certainly not going to repeat his boring-ass Milton Friedman bullshit tautology), but I'd like to see you break this down for me. Details, if you don't mind.[/QUOTE]

Here's a commentary on Canadian taxation on businesses. The thesis is that canadian taxation is many times on par with American taxation until you get to really high tax brackets. I've not been able to find many other sources on this subject.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/dylan.reid/ustaxes.html

Meanwhile, I'm studying for Finals and I'm only making occasional stops, so I can't comment much further beyond that. So, I really don't know where to find stats on taxation of lower brackets.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']It's free to the end user. While some people believe they're taxed high in Canada, Canadian taxes are typically fairly on par with American Taxation.[/QUOTE]

It's....not....free....period. And high taxation in Canada isn't a belief, it's a fact. So are long waiting lists for surgery and routine diagnostic tests. What you end up with is healthcare rationing.

Under universal healthcare, who decides whether or not an 80 year old man gets a $300,000 lifesaving procedure ? You, me, the government, or a consensus of the people?
 
[quote name='bmulligan']It's....not....free....period.[/QUOTE]

Exactly right. Unfortunately, too many people equate "government paid for" with "free." It's a phenomenon that has fueled massive increases in government spending (and tax increases + deficits) in this country as well. Back to that is government a necessary evil or the major source for good thing (the former I'd say).
 
[quote name='bmulligan']It's....not....free....period. And high taxation in Canada isn't a belief, it's a fact. So are long waiting lists for surgery and routine diagnostic tests. What you end up with is healthcare rationing.

Under universal healthcare, who decides whether or not an 80 year old man gets a $300,000 lifesaving procedure ? You, me, the government, or a consensus of the people?[/QUOTE]

Waiting lists and such are canadian problems, not having medicine or health care is an american problem. Many other countries have universal health care, such as sweden and france, and do not have long waiting times. In the u.s. you can buy the best health care in the world (for most things) but you have to have the money. Overall quality of care for the entire population is better in some other countries. Canada is not the best example of socialized medicine.

Sweden and france both perform better than canada. Also, going by other examples, socialized medicine does not cost less. The u.s. spends more per person for health care than any other country.
 
There's an overeating problem, fat people make me sick, it's not totally their fault after all a store is filled with 80% of things that are bad for you and a whole lot less of healthy natural things. Things are loaded with sugar to get people hooked, it's just not nessicary to live. Kids eat pure junk food and stay skinny now but they're going to be huge fat fucks. Just watch Maury there's kids that have parents that let them eat pure junk and asmuch and encourage them to eat the junk to be happy. That's ruining lives, something should be done about the digusting unhealthy food filling up our country.
 
[quote name='Mono`']There's an overeating problem, fat people make me sick, it's not totally their fault after all a store is filled with 80% of things that are bad for you and a whole lot less of healthy natural things. Things are loaded with sugar to get people hooked, it's just not nessicary to live. Kids eat pure junk food and stay skinny now but they're going to be huge fat fucks. Just watch Maury there's kids that have parents that let them eat pure junk and asmuch and encourage them to eat the junk to be happy. That's ruining lives, something should be done about the digusting unhealthy food filling up our country.[/QUOTE]

Aren't you the asshole who wouldn't let someone pay your eBay fees when their wife bought the wrong Game Boy?
 
[quote name='Mono`']There's an overeating problem, fat people make me sick, it's not totally their fault after all a store is filled with 80% of things that are bad for you and a whole lot less of healthy natural things. Things are loaded with sugar to get people hooked, it's just not nessicary to live. Kids eat pure junk food and stay skinny now but they're going to be huge fat fucks. Just watch Maury there's kids that have parents that let them eat pure junk and asmuch and encourage them to eat the junk to be happy. That's ruining lives, something should be done about the digusting unhealthy food filling up our country.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

Wow, and I had hoped that after camoor's "I hate fat people" thread we wouldn't have to read more ignorant, hateful tripe on this subject for a while. Guess I was wrong.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Waiting lists and such are canadian problems, not having medicine or health care is an american problem. Many other countries have universal health care, such as sweden and france, and do not have long waiting times. In the u.s. you can buy the best health care in the world (for most things) but you have to have the money. Overall quality of care for the entire population is better in some other countries. Canada is not the best example of socialized medicine.

Sweden and france both perform better than canada. Also, going by other examples, socialized medicine does not cost less. The u.s. spends more per person for health care than any other country.[/QUOTE]


Unless you're a socialist like Alonzo,

something must be rotten in the state of Denmark...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3423159.stm

The report says citizens must pay more and doctors must alter their behaviour.

Failure to do so could add 66 billion euros a year to France's public budget deficit by 2020, it adds.

The warning comes after thousands of health workers protested on Thursday over staff shortages and the "creeping privatisation" of the health system.

http://www.cato.org/dailys/9-23-96.html

For many years advocates of government-run health care pointed to Europe as an ideal, noting that America was the "only industrialized country without a national health care system." Now, however, the European welfare states are slashing benefits in the face of rising health care costs.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']:roll:

Wow, and I had hoped that after camoor's "I hate fat people" thread we wouldn't have to read more ignorant, hateful tripe on this subject for a while. Guess I was wrong.[/QUOTE]

What do you christians say, hate the sin, not the sinner. ;)
 
It's going to get alot worse, 8.1 trillion dollars is the deficit right? It's just a matter of time until we see foodstamp programs cut.
 
[quote name='Metal Boss']It's going to get alot worse, 8.1 trillion dollars is the deficit right? It's just a matter of time until we see foodstamp programs cut.[/QUOTE]

Well, it's either that or $500 toilet seats for the Pentagon...which one would you choose?
 
[quote name='Metal Boss']It's going to get alot worse, 8.1 trillion dollars is the deficit right? It's just a matter of time until we see foodstamp programs cut.[/QUOTE]

8.1 trillion is the deficit, right.....
 
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