I don't mean to burst your PSP battery bubble but...

Snake, when I came to this Topic and almost all of the first page was bashing Sony and the PSP I felt I had to step in...Do I care if it makes me look like a fanboy? No? Am I a fanboy? No. Think what you want about me being a fanboy...I dont care. just because I prefer PS2's games over the other consoles...doesnt mean anything..I own all three..And all the add ons you said about the PSP...lol @ You........For $50 you get all that.....and so what if the PSP games turn out to be $50...all games used to adn now you can pick them up for $10-$20..I mean this is CAG so the good people here will find deals on that stuff.

You said that DS has the standard buttons but that doesnt count PSP will have an analog nub and....So what if It does have standard buttons, Nintendo is trying to shove the stylus and touch screen down your throat to make you use it. Almost all games on DS will have touchscreen...GIMMICK all the way.....For MP: H the second control scheme you STILL have to use the stylus to change visors and some other stuff..Something new and fun to learn..yeah right every article I read about it says that FANS WERE DISAPOINTED WITH THE NEW CONTROL SCHEME......How do you know that they wont rent UMD movies? Are they out yet? You complain about the screen scratching if you put it in your pocket with your keys...anything will even the DS...it will get scratched so what if it folds...the outside will get scratched...Simple solution Dont put it in the same pocket you have your keys Dumb@$$.

Buying Remade games on the PSP......First of all lets us DMC for example...If you own the PS2 version of it you can hook the PSP to the PS2 and get your save file so you can work on it while you are out of the house and then play again on PS2..That is convenient whether you want to admit it or not. I mean wouldn't you want to work on an RPG out of the house that you have been playing? If you answer no I dont believe you. I won't get into the argument of the 2 screens being a gimmick...I'll agree with you and wait and see before I start arguing.
 
if sony would just use regular size/shaped minidiscs and just used the umd disc compacity they would be doing better. i have a minidisc player and would much rather be able to use those discs and put them in the psp.
 
These quotes will slightly be edited from their original text, because the originator of these quotes doesn't know how to properly use an elipses(...). No words were changed or taken out.

[quote name='whoknows']almost all of the first page was bashing Sony and the PSP I felt I had to step in. Do I care if it makes me look like a fanboy? No? Am I a fanboy? No. Think what you want about me being a fanboy. I dont care. just because I prefer PS2's games over the other consoles[/quote]

I couldn't read further in this paragraph. You aren't a fan boy, but felt the need to defend your favorite product at length. You don't care that someone else calls you a fanboy, but you have to write a whole paragraph saying this, which leads me to think that you do care, fanboy.


[quote name='whoknows']You said that DS has the standard buttons but that doesnt count PSP will have an analog nub and[/quote]

I stopped at this point because after this were just a few fragments of sentences. Is what you're saying that the DS's controls, sans stylus, are not as good as the PSP's due to the lack of an analog input? As it has been stated in other threads here, the analog nub will not be true analog, and I hardly thing that's a vital part of control.

[quote name='whoknows']Nintendo is trying to shove the stylus and touch screen down your throat to make you use it.[/quote]

That's a little dramatic. If they were trying to shove it down your throat, then they wouldn't have provided alternate control schemes for Metroid Prime, would they?

[quote name='whoknows']Something new and fun to learn. yeah right every article I read about it says that FANS WERE DISAPOINTED WITH THE NEW CONTROL SCHEME.[/quote]

Please direct to "every article". References can be your friend.

[quote name='whoknows']How do you know that they wont rent UMD movies? Are they out yet?[/quote]

How do you know that UMD movies will be distributed at all outside of Sony's studios? Hell, how do you know Sony will even produce UMD movies aside from FF7: Advent Children?


[quote name='whoknows']You complain about the screen scratching if you put it in your pocket with your keys...anything will even the DS...it will get scratched so what if it folds...the outside will get scratched...Simple solution Dont put it in the same pocket you have your keys Dumb@$$.[/quote]

Carrying the unit around scratches it. It's a simple matter-of-fact thing. When I carry my iPod around, I make sure it is the lone occupier of the pocket I choose for it, however it's scratched to hell. In case you didn't notice, if you even do something simple like wipe a CD/DVD with your cotton shirt, it will leave very light scratches. After the PSP rubs against the material of your pocket for long enough, the scratches will be more prominent.
Nobody gives a shit if the outside of the unit get scratched. My GBASP has a scratch by the hinge - who cares. It's the screen that needs protection.
So here's the simple solution: don't put it in your pocket. Period. Keys or no keys, it'll get scratched.


[quote name='whoknows']First of all lets us DMC for example.[/quote]

An example of what? If you're talking about Devil May Cry (it makes sense to say the full title before you start using abreviations), then DMC for the PSP and DMC for the PS2 aren't the same games, thus your example isn't valid. Let's change your example to Gran Turismo 4, so that it can be valid.


[quote name='whoknows']If you own the PS2 version of it you can hook the PSP to the PS2 and get your save file so you can work on it while you are out of the house and then play again on PS2. That is convenient whether you want to admit it or not.[/quote]

That's not so much convenient as it is stupid. You're saying that, whether you admit it or not, it's convenient to have to own two copies of the same game and manage game saves between multiple cards on multiple systems. I don't see how that's convenient at all.
 
Its convienent becasue if you are playing a game at your house and you have to go somewhere you can quickly transfer the save and continue out of the house........So open your eyes and quit denying it.
 
Said it before and I will say it again. I hope that everyone votes for whichever candidate, whichever issue that they support with the same passion that they exhibit on this thread BTW, I did not realize that there are 73 mill PS2s out there. So Sony can rule the console market and Nintendo (Gamecube 14 mill) can rule the portable market. Microsoft is Microsoft so the X-Box (16 mill) can continue to sit at the number 2 console spot. Gates is a bizzillionaire and they will be fine. U.S. sales are expected to top 7.2 bill for pc and console. I really doubt if any of us will see any of that money, so to argue about this with such passion is just wacky. To call each other names and question peoples intelligence is wacky as well.
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[quote name='whoknows']Its convienent becasue if you are playing a game at your house and you have to go somewhere you can quickly transfer the save and continue out of the house........So open your eyes and quit denying it.[/quote]

Look, I have no problems with the PSP, and I have argued just as much about the problems of the DS as I have about the problems of the PSP. In the end, I'll probably get both, because I love games. My eyes are open on the issue, and just because yours aren't and you disagree doesn't mean otherwise.

There is nothing convenient or appealing to me about playing identical games on the road to the ones you have at home. I don't want PS2 games on the go. I don't want to pay twice for the same game. And the games I play at home on my PS2 I usually play for longer bursts of time than the PSP's battery can even support. When I have a night to actually get to sit and enjoy my games, I do just that for a good long time, and it's usually not a handheld.

Furthermore, if I'm playing a game at home and have to go somewhere, I am always driving, which isn't exactly a great time to whip out my PSP. I'd also be wary of bringing my PSP anywhere, because I wouldn't want that big beautiful screen to get even the lightest of scratches on it.
 
Not trying to argue with you Alongx, but I am open to both but when everyone is bashing Sony and the PSP I decided I need to defend it. I will probably get the DS, but not for awhile after I get the PSP. Chances are you're not going to be out for 6 hours so the battery would be just find. And I understand since you said you are probably driving and dont want to damage it.
 
not trying to say the 4-6 hour continuous play is good, but if you play longer than 4-6 hours straight on a handheld, you need a life.
 
[quote name='Cracka']not trying to say the 4-6 hour continuous play is good, but if you play longer than 4-6 hours straight on a handheld, you need a life.[/quote]

First, I'm banking on the fact that it'll more often than not it'll be 4 hours of battery life, not 6.

Second, my point was when I want to and have time to sit and play a game, which isn't often, I'll play my PS2 for a long period of time. I don't want to nor do I see the reason to on a PSP - I want games that are better for 15-30 minute bursts of playing.
 
[quote name='Tromack'][quote name='Quackzilla'][quote name='pumbaa'][quote name='CaseyRyback'][quote name='pumbaa'][quote name='Sheik Rattle Enroll'][quote name='BigNick']UMD is crap. Sony sucks. They try to push off their proprietary technology, and people dont want that.[/quote]

As opposed to what, the DS or GBA?

There's not a lot of viable options for handhelds in terms of non-proprietary technology.[/quote]

Yes, but GBA and DS never claimed to have music and movie features. When consumers hear that a device is able to play music and movies... they expect to be able to put their own files on the device. That just isnt the case with PSP.[/quote]

they never claimed this, yet there are a ton of GBA movies are there not?

SONY is smart with the UMD's. Nintendo loses millions each year because GBA games are so easy to pirate[/quote]

I'm not talking about prerecorded movies on a friken cart. I'm talking about the movies and videos on your computer, in the PSP.[/quote]

You mean bootlegs?

Neither Sony nor Nintendo support bootlegs. You have to buy their products.

Your argument is really weak (and ignorant).[/quote]

His argument might have taken the wrong tack there, but I believe he is right. By saying that the PSP will be able to play digital music, you have to assume they mean the MP3's on your computer. Or CD's. Neither of which the PSP can accommadate. And when they say it can play digital movies, the average person is going to expect that means DVD's. I'm all for piracy protection, but to claim that UMD is some sort of wunder-media that will take over the world and everyone will re-buy their movie collection is just stupid.[/quote]
he wants to watch fucking porn on his portable gaming unit :rofl: (pumbaa right now :oops: )
 
[quote name='alongx'][quote name='whoknows']BTW the person that said on page 1 that you can't rewrite on the umd's but can on the memorysticks.........DUH thats what its supposed to be...can you rewrite on GC games? Xbox games? PS2 games? Thats what I thought.[/quote]

You, sir, are talking out of your ass.

I believe Sony has neither confirmed nor denied that memory sticks could be used for MP3 playback. However, when you look at the official spec sheets posted up at IGN, you'll notice that it only lists UMD music play back and UMD movie playback, which implies that memory sticks will be used as memory cards and that's it, which would be great, if it wasn't the only way to bring MP3 or ATRAC (I assume the PSP will support Sony's proprietary format) music onto your PSP without purchasing another unit.

Making the comparison with home console games makes no sense. Why the shaq-fu would someone want to place MP3s and movies on a GC, XB, or PS2 game disk? As you would say, DUH they wouldn't want to, because these three machines don't make the assertion that they playback movies and MP3s that are stored specifically on their respective game disks.
Also, nobody said anything about re-writing a game disk, which makes your point even more nonsensical. It was talking about a separate UMD writer that could only write blank disks with music and movies.

Do you even read complaints you are arguing against before giving your uneducated reply? That's what I thought.[/quote]


I just brought that up because someone DID bring up that if you can write on the Memory Sticks why cant you write on the umd......1st page 11th post. Its like saying you can rewrite a gamecube memory card but cant rewrite the gamecube disk...completely stupid.
Also for anyone saying that the UMD cant hold that much....It holds the same as the Gamecube disks...
 
Yeah yeah yeah...bootlegs and porn is all I want. You guys caught me... Admins, Lock the thread ::wink::.

What I mean when I hope for PSP being a good video options is some for of easy distribution for content. I think the mainstream is looking for a simple way to watch shit on the go. If Sony had teamed up with TiVo and integrated some TiVo to Go features into the PSP (I can dream...) or allowed you to record content onto the unit from an outside source (TV or otherwise) I would be more than impressed. Imagine it, being able to "rip" an episode of futurama from Adult swim and being able to watch in on the PSP. It would be awesome.

PSP is a beautiful looking peice of hardware with an (apprently) beautiful screen... all I was saying was that Sony's goal with the PSP seems to be to make a portable PS2 (in the sense that it plays mutiple media types... music movies, and games) UMD's (in their current iteneration) ARE NOT the way to go. If Sony would take their heads outta their arses, they could make a marginally convincing peice of hardware a MUST HAVE one.

This is coming from a self proclaimed Nintendo nut (I bought a PS2 less than a year ago... bought my GCN at launch). Regardless, at this price I'll probably still buy the damn thing. But I'm just saying it could be that much more compelling if Sony realized its full potential.

DAMN this post has deviated from battery life... LOL
 
[quote name='eldad9'][quote name='BigNick']UMD is crap. Sony sucks. They try to push off their proprietary technology, and people dont want that.[/quote]

Unless, of course, it's convenient. Or cheap.

Looking at Sony's memory sticks, one could almost draw the conclusion that it is you that sucks.[/quote]

memory sticks are fucking lame too. There was already compact flash and smart media. Why the hell do we need another format? Because sony sucks. OMG OMG there is a memory stick slot on my tv, I must get a sony camera. They could have used mini DVDs Those would hold a gig or two of data, more than enough for a game.
 
Whoknows

You made a cuple of points. As alongx pointed out you will need protection for the PSP if you truely plan on making it portable. That adds costs. Maybe the Sony R&D did think about the things I mentioned. I dont see a stand built in to the PSP so thats more money.

The case which will be needed will be even more and we already have a good indication that the memory will be in the 25-30 range. Given that the 180-200 + 25+ case + dvd stand+ equal well more than the price of entry with a DS.

Then you say CAG will bring the accessories and $50 UMD games to you for less.... The same can be said for the DS therefore the ratio will be the same. Then again your looking at 25%-50% more for PSP a system.

On a similar note the rates at which game prices drop is directly related to user base as can easily be seen on the PS2 and its performance. The DS will have a larger user base and release games will have most likely come down in price by the time the PSP releases.

I do not know whether or not the UMD's will be rented out or not. But given the fact that it took some time for the Dvd's to get wide spread and the fact that laser discs never did get rented out. Also based on the fact that the whole industry isnt swithcing to UMD like they did with DVD I doubt that UMD's will be rentable at Blockbuster/Hollywood video. If they are it wont be any time soon and most likely be whent he PSP2 gets released. Therefore I dont find it a bragable advantage.

Alongx...

Its so funny that here we are on a somewhat similar page but in other threads on the same subject we are not seeing it the same.

I will say I like the idea of the PSP, I like the advancement it brings, Its great it can do more than play games. I just didnt use my PS2 for a dvd player and I wont use the PSP for a UMD player. Why pay extra for extras I wont use. I think sony doesnt always think it through. It just doesnt fit me at the current time.
 
[quote name='Snake2715']Alongx...

Its so funny that here we are on a somewhat similar page but in other threads on the same subject we are not seeing it the same.[/quote]

Yeah, it is funny that you're sometimes wrong, whereas I'm always right.

](*,)
 
[quote name='alongx'][quote name='Snake2715']Alongx...

Its so funny that here we are on a somewhat similar page but in other threads on the same subject we are not seeing it the same.[/quote]

Yeah, it is funny that you're sometimes wrong, whereas I'm always right.

](*,)[/quote]

We'll leave it at that then!!
 
The funny thing is that this entire argument will be a moot point for a good long time.... It'll be a long time (if ever) before either of these could get to installed base of the GBA/SP.

Gamemakers will still be devoting most of thier time and budget to developing software on the SP...
because that is where the money is. (The exact same reason why most games are developed on the PS2, and likely still will be even after the Xbox2 and PS3 are out.)

A year or so from now, the argument may be a litle more important, but as for now, the SP has a stranglehold on the handheld market, and neither the DS or the PSP are going to be changing that any time soon.
 
[quote name='JSweeney']The funny thing is that this entire argument will be a moot point for a good long time.... It'll be a long time (if ever) before either of these could get to installed base of the GBA/SP.

Gamemakers will still be devoting most of thier time and budget to developing software on the SP...
because that is where the money is. (The exact same reason why most games are developed on the PS2, and likely still will be even after the Xbox2 and PS3 are out.)

A year or so from now, the argument may be a litle more important, but as for now, the SP has a stranglehold on the handheld market, and neither the DS or the PSP are going to be changing that any time soon.[/quote]

A very intresting point. The question is, will DS be seen as a GameBoy... and will that transilate to GBA-like sales. It just might, and that 4 month (or more) advantage that the DS has might just make it unstoppable. That is assuming that the populace sees it as GBA Next.
 
[quote name='pumbaa'][quote name='JSweeney']The funny thing is that this entire argument will be a moot point for a good long time.... It'll be a long time (if ever) before either of these could get to installed base of the GBA/SP.

Gamemakers will still be devoting most of thier time and budget to developing software on the SP...
because that is where the money is. (The exact same reason why most games are developed on the PS2, and likely still will be even after the Xbox2 and PS3 are out.)

A year or so from now, the argument may be a litle more important, but as for now, the SP has a stranglehold on the handheld market, and neither the DS or the PSP are going to be changing that any time soon.[/quote]

A very intresting point. The question is, will DS be seen as a GameBoy... and will that transilate to GBA-like sales. It just might, and that 4 month (or more) advantage that the DS has might just make it unstoppable. That is assuming that the populace sees it as GBA Next.[/quote]
I bet the DS will be seen as the next Gameboy even without the Gameboy name.
 
im not very fond of the DS..only that its looks really cool..and thats bout it..

and sony does suck these days..both my ps2 and psone have problems.. only 1 and a half of use... gay shit huh...
 
Sony will just release an improved PSP (with improved battery life) during the holiday season in 2005 to screw the people who bought a PSP at launch. Technology moves so fast that they will have to do it.
 
[quote name='snakeeyez101']DS > PSP... pwnage[/quote]

Wow, you must be a professional debater or something. That was an incredible argument.

(This is the wrong thread for that kind of shit, isn't it?)
 
Every thread is the wrong kind for that kinda of shit, but unfortunatly the DS being like an olderbrother to the GBA gives it the early edge for now.

Sony likes propritary formats because they think they can take things and make them better like they did with Betamax (unfortunatly they weren't able to convice the world it was better :p) this is why they include things like Memorystick slots on tvs and camcorders and PDA (although no longer since they're dumping PDAs probably in favor of putting more emphasis on the PSP) it's also why their music players all push the atrak format, because it's sonys and they want to make it a viable alternative to what's out there. Sony said a while back that they felt the Gameboy should have been their idea and that the fact Nintendo did it first was a bit embarassing to the creators of the original walkman. This is just them trying to create the new must have portable device of the 21st century, they might be close but they still unfortunatly have a ways to go before it truely is.

Sony is anti-piracy to large (read excessive) degrees, for them to allow MP3s in any form means a lot (mostly that they;re worried they havent made it accessable to people) probably that the rest of the system is locked down tighter than fort knox. The memory stick will probably be a very easy format to play your home movies recorded on DVcams or your MP3s or specifically Atrak files) transferred by way of a memory stick/media card reader and USB or maybe even store bought music (they did it with prerecorded MiniDisks so it's highly possible) but to transfer AVI files you might have nabbed from Bit torrent or playing back tv shows? Running homebrewed applications like emmulators off the memory stick? aint gonna happen because it's like copying a movie to them, same thing with MP3 but they're obviously trying to make a consession to get people to become more interested in it without sacraficing too much of their moral code interms of digital rights...
 
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