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[quote name='dratsacras']Anybody else remember when "TLC" was "The Learning Channel" and they had educational documentaries instead of freak shows?[/quote]Are you telling me a new reality show about the lives of a family who runs a wrestling promotion isn't educational?
 
If I could have my way i'd wipe out this disease like a real pandemic. Quarantine it and let it burn itself out. But something about rounding up all the cattle and letting them starve for a few weeks doesn't seem to fly under the Geneva Convention. Bastards. :bomb:
 
[quote name='dratsacras']Anybody else remember when "TLC" was "The Learning Channel" and they had educational documentaries instead of freak shows?[/QUOTE]Yeah, but I like freak shows. There's still Discovery channel.
 
This thread needs one picture of a fat kid to continue. It's sad to see these "Michelin" kids and their parents who don't care for their well being.

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[quote name='VanillaGorilla']I don't care what anyone says, eating a shitton of food is NOT an addiction.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, Doctor Gorilla. Now we can close the book on this matter and mock people or stigmatize them until the problem goes away. It's the same way we've succeeded in eliminating alcoholism and drug abuse in modern American society.

[quote name='dratsacras']Anybody else remember when "TLC" was "The Learning Channel" and they had educational documentaries instead of freak shows?[/QUOTE]

Quite true. Why is this show on TV, and not the "I Eat 4-5,000 Calories a Day" folks who are assuredly overweight? Because we want the masses (who are indeed massive) to find some distance in this show - if it were about the 30% or more of American society who are overweight or obese, and not just the very extreme of that group, there would be protests, outrage, and the like. Not, simply, the ratings they want. TLC has become home to a lot of programming that is very much like freak shows of the carnival days - a parade of folks, whether on this show, "What Not to Wear," and the like, where we watch in order to mock them for their behavior and feel superior to them.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Thanks, Doctor Gorilla. Now we can close the book on this matter and mock people or stigmatize them until the problem goes away. It's the same way we've succeeded in eliminating alcoholism and drug abuse in modern American society.[/quote]Oh, give me a frickin' break. Could you possibly be any more of a liberal douche? I mean seriously, when I made this thread, I KNEW you would come in here, whining and moaning about how "THESE GUYS ARE PEOPLE TOO, STOP RIDICULING THEM!"
 
I think we need to socially outcast all the fatties and make it such a stigma that nobody will want to be fat. If we make it completely acceptable what's to discourage people from becoming blimps?

We've tried the "carebear" lets make everyone feel accepted approach and it's only gotten worse. Now it's time for some tough love.

Like in Europe it's such a stigma to drive while intoxicated. They treat you worse than a murderer. But here it's frowned upon but not nearly as much as it should be. If we treated every DUI driver like a rapist I bet you we would have a lot less drunks on the road.
 
[quote name='Magehart']I think we need to socially outcast all the fatties and make it such a stigma that nobody will want to be fat. If we make it completely acceptable what's to discourage people from becoming blimps?

We've tried the "carebear" lets make everyone feel accepted approach and it's only gotten worse. Now it's time for some tough love.

Like in Europe it's such a stigma to drive while intoxicated. They treat you worse than a murderer. But here it's frowned upon but not nearly as much as it should be. If we treated every DUI driver like a rapist I bet you we would have a lot less drunks on the road.[/quote]Wait a minute, we should actually HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS!? No frickin' way! Let's feel sorry for them and keep enabling their self defeating behavior!
 
Hi all,

I've been a CAG member for years and have barely contributed to the forums... I have read plenty and scoured for deals, but only occassionally post.

I'd like to contribute to this thread as I have been watching the recent TLC shows documenting the life of the obese and caught the arguments taking place here.

Who am I and why does it matter in this thread?

I'm a graduate of the University of South Florida with a Bachelor's Degree in Exercise Science & Physiology. This program is one of very few in the country accredited by the American College of Sports Medicine. I am also a certified personal trainer with this group, considered the "Gold Standard" of PT. With this I have become a Personal Training Manager with Lifestyle Family Fitness in Florida.

My contribution to this thread>

Obesity, like nearly every diagnosed condition, does have a genetic component where some may be more predisposed to it than others. Just as some of us respond to alcohol, smoking, certain drugs, certain environmental influences differently- Others have different metabolic responses to what they eat.

However, obesity is first and foremost dictated by lifestyle choices. If a family member had Type 2 Diabetes from poor eating habits and sedentary lifestyle, than the offspring should understand that they are likely predisposed to getting Type II Diabetes. With this in mind, they need to adopt healthy habits and ensure the same does not happen to them through vigilant exercise and smart eating.

It's hard to say if we should feel sorry for people who honestly, truly believe they have an "addiciton" when all of us can objectively look in from the outside and see that it is first and foremost lifestyle choices which caused that person to get where they are today. Is there a genetic contributor? Yes. Does that mean we should placate these "sufferers" and call them "victims?" In my professional opinion, I think not. All this does is justify their position and enable them to further fall into the self imposed life of despair. I believe that by labelling it a disease we make it "OK" to be obese. This does no favors for one who is on the brink of death because of poor lifestyle habits.

Instead of placating and reassuring through calling it a disease, it is time we become proactive and empower these people to let them know they CAN reverse their current situation. If necessary there is professional assistance to make sure it happens.

Thank you for your time.

Doug Morreale
 
[quote name='dratsacras']Anybody else remember when "TLC" was "The Learning Channel" and they had educational documentaries instead of freak shows?[/quote]

Yeah, I miss those days. I dont miss the graphic surgery shows though. That shit was horrible. But it used to be a great alternative to Discovery. I think it all started going downhill when they would have UFO and Bigfoot type shows on all the time. And now its nothing more than the Reality TV channel.
 
While I want to agree with the guy that exercises for a living, I can't help but remember my days in the gym. Back when I used to go to Bally's, there was a "personal trainer" there with a big ol beer gut and floppy man boobs. He'd sit on is jello ass and tell everyone how improperly they were exercising. The janitor there, however, never said a word and had a body fat level somewheres between 3-8%.
 
[quote name='Kayden']While I want to agree with the guy that exercises for a living, I can't help but remember my days in the gym. Back when I used to go to Bally's, there was a "personal trainer" there with a big ol beer gut and floppy man boobs. He'd sit on is jello ass and tell everyone how improperly they were exercising. The janitor there, however, never said a word and had a body fat level somewheres between 3-8%.[/quote]
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I'm sorry... You were saying?
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Oh, give me a frickin' break. Could you possibly be any more of a liberal douche? I mean seriously, when I made this thread, I KNEW you would come in here, whining and moaning about how "THESE GUYS ARE PEOPLE TOO, STOP RIDICULING THEM!"[/QUOTE]

If you'd like to boil my words down to that, then fine. If you'd like to reread what I've actually said, which was that these people have genuine problems, and that mockery and ridicule aren't productive ways of changing that kind of destructive behavior - you have the right to do that too.

Of course, if it takes a 700lb man who can't wear anything but a bedsheet powering down a plate of fried eggs and sausages to feel better about yourself, or give you a good gut laugh, then bully for you. Congratulations, VG; you're not the morbidly obese. Take that zero-sum gain and see how much strut it adds to your stride in the mornings!

[quote name='BigMuffinLuv']It's hard to say if we should feel sorry for people who honestly, truly believe they have an "addiciton" when all of us can objectively look in from the outside and see that it is first and foremost lifestyle choices which caused that person to get where they are today. Is there a genetic contributor? Yes. Does that mean we should placate these "sufferers" and call them "victims?" In my professional opinion, I think not. All this does is justify their position and enable them to further fall into the self imposed life of despair. I believe that by labelling it a disease we make it "OK" to be obese. This does no favors for one who is on the brink of death because of poor lifestyle habits.

Instead of placating and reassuring through calling it a disease, it is time we become proactive and empower these people to let them know they CAN reverse their current situation. If necessary there is professional assistance to make sure it happens.[/QUOTE]

Wait a minute. If someone believes they have an addiction, or is labeled as having an addiction, we, as a society, tend to help these people embrace the problems they have via the consideration of it as an "addiction"?

That's completely absurd. Psychologists consider sexual offenders to be swayed by addictive tendencies, and we don't encourage that, or tell sexual offenders to go ahead and comfort themselves and sate their addictions. We don't do that with alcoholics or drug abusers at the criminal level. We don't send the person who just gambled their next three paychecks away to the riverboat casino for an evening of Texas Hold 'Em.

Methadone clinics are another matter altogether, but then again, so is heroin.

So where do you come up with this "professional opinion" that people who are addicted are encouraged and comforted in their addictions by a broader society, based on the mere consideration of a behavior as "addictive"?

Because when we say "addiction," we immediately relegate it to "out of your individual control" status? Perhaps - but in the face of that necessarily follows a whole plan of psychologists, clinicians, support groups, and rehabilitation that works to counteract the belief that it is out of their control - that their lifestyle choices, along with close monitoring, support, and certain preconditioned rewards and punishments, may provide conditions to help a person get out of those habits they got into. In other words, NOT the "go ahead and do it - you're addicted!" mentality.

As someone in exercise science and physiology, I think you're overstating your credentials to discuss the psychological and sociological nature of addictions.
 
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[quote name='mykevermin']
So where do you come up with this "professional opinion" that people who are addicted are encouraged and comforted in their addictions by a broader society, based on the mere consideration of a behavior as "addictive"? [/quote]
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
As someone in exercise science and physiology, I think you're overstating your credentials to discuss the psychological and sociological nature of addictions.[/quote]What exactly are YOUR credentials then, Professor? And does taking a forum where people go to find video game deals, so damn serious, add "strut to your stride"?
 
It makes my penis feel longer.
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']What exactly are YOUR credentials then, Professor? And does taking a forum where people go to find video game deals, so damn serious, add "strut to your stride"?[/quote]
 
[quote name='Kayden']http://naafa.org/[/QUOTE]

Dan Savage had a chapter on that group in his book "Skipping Towards Gomorrah." Yikes.

[quote name='VanillaGorilla']What exactly are YOUR credentials then, Professor? And does taking a forum where people go to find video game deals, so damn serious, add "strut to your stride"?[/QUOTE]

I'm not the one who used the phrase "professional opinion" and have tried to present myself as having relevant credentials, darlin'. I just happen to be a person who knows that physiology and psychology have about as much in common as apples and dragons.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']

So where do you come up with this "professional opinion" that people who are addicted are encouraged and comforted in their addictions by a broader society, based on the mere consideration of a behavior as "addictive"?

Because when we say "addiction," we immediately relegate it to "out of your individual control" status? Perhaps - but in the face of that necessarily follows a whole plan of psychologists, clinicians, support groups, and rehabilitation that works to counteract the belief that it is out of their control - that their lifestyle choices, along with close monitoring, support, and certain preconditioned rewards and punishments, may provide conditions to help a person get out of those habits they got into.

As someone in exercise science and physiology, I think you're overstating your credentials to discuss the psychological and sociological nature of addictions.[/quote]

My opinion comes from years of real life application in working closely with hundreds to possibly thousands of people who are overweight or obese. I have worked with clients in excess of 450 pounds and greatly understand the psychological, social, emotional, and physical complexities of bearing such a burden (no pun intended). People like this client and those we are seeing on TV this evening are regular human beings like all of us.

The coursework in my program included a specific class called Exercise Psychology where we took into consideration how damaging conditions like this can be on someone's outlook on life and how they perceive their condition(s).

My commentary on addictions was not meant to be generalized. In that, I believe I may have been taken out of context. Strictly speaking towards obesity, as a health care professional, I believe we are doing more harm than good by labelling it a disease. Liken this to being diagnosed with cancer (not caused by smoking or environmental factors).

Once diagnosed, one with cancer will resign to the fact that this was completely out of their hands. This terrible condition was not brought on by lifestyle habits, their work environment, or any one thing they may have done. It is simply something they must deal with as best as possible with the support of everyone around them.

I honestly believe that we cannot allow obesity to be discussed in the same light as diseases like cancer. It must be considered a "conditional" disease such as HIV where someone was not careful with how they led their life.

Lastly, please do not become confrontational and question my credentials. You have made some bold statements yourself, with which I am responding with honest opinions and facts discovered in the field and during my education.

Thank you.
 
I am a fat man withoput question. I am here to add I bust my ass to try to loose weight I lost 35 pounds and seemed to have stop loosing it now I lost it by eating 1000-1200 callories a day I do not care who your are that is not enough to live healthy. I eat my veggies fruit etc and I work at a job where I am up and down stairs 100 times a day carring car parts some of which are quite heavy. my point is that while yes you do have some controll you do not have all the controll needed. I am type 2 diab. it sucks but I can honestly say I have not been to a doctor in 2 years calledi n work sick etc. my being fat has not or will not hurt our medical crisis in america all to often fat people are driving up cost of drugs/treatment here it all the time yet I am perfectley healthy for the most part
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I just happen to be a person who knows that physiology and psychology have about as much in common as apples and dragons.[/quote]

:roll:

I'm almost sure if you have an addictive personality in which you habitually eat chocolate then i'm sure it will reflect upon your stature.
 
[quote name='Chika']staying far, far away from this one. this will not end well.[/quote]

This will end in the vs. forums so all will be right with the universe.
 
[quote name='evilmojo12542']I am a fat man withoput question. I am here to add I bust my ass to try to loose weight I lost 35 pounds and seemed to have stop loosing it now I lost it by eating 1000-1200 callories a day I do not care who your are that is not enough to live healthy. I eat my veggies fruit etc and I work at a job where I am up and down stairs 100 times a day carring car parts some of which are quite heavy. my point is that while yes you do have some controll you do not have all the controll needed. I am type 2 diab. it sucks but I can honestly say I have not been to a doctor in 2 years calledi n work sick etc. my being fat has not or will not hurt our medical crisis in america all to often fat people are driving up cost of drugs/treatment here it all the time yet I am perfectley healthy for the most part[/quote]I don't think anyone would ridicule you. There is a difference between being "fat" and being "cut me out of my damn house!" fat. There's a difference between eating a bit too much, and lowering down a damn bucket filled with money, out your bedroom window, to a delivery boy 5 floors down.
 
[quote name='evilmojo12542']I am a fat man withoput question. I am here to add I bust my ass to try to loose weight I lost 35 pounds and seemed to have stop loosing it now I lost it by eating 1000-1200 callories a day I do not care who your are that is not enough to live healthy. I eat my veggies fruit etc and I work at a job where I am up and down stairs 100 times a day carring car parts some of which are quite heavy. my point is that while yes you do have some controll you do not have all the controll needed. I am type 2 diab. it sucks but I can honestly say I have not been to a doctor in 2 years calledi n work sick etc. my being fat has not or will not hurt our medical crisis in america all to often fat people are driving up cost of drugs/treatment here it all the time yet I am perfectley healthy for the most part[/quote]

If you're not exercising, you're prob better off to keep it at about 1,700 a day. You prob just hit a plateau cause your body adjusted. If you stuck with it at the 1700 calorie level you'd prob start losing again but at a slower rate than you did previously. Lowering your calorie intake to 1000-1200 a day isnt a good thing. You're probably getting too few calories and your body will start storing fat as an emergency measure. So my advice, up your calorie intake to 1750 a day and start exercising. And remember, the more vigorous you exercise the more calories you can start taking in.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']I don't think anyone would ridicule you. There is a difference between being "fat" and being "cut me out of my damn house!" fat. There's a difference between eating a bit too much, and lowering down a damn bucket filled with money, out your bedroom window, to a delivery boy 5 floors down.[/QUOTE]

I'll take that bucket of money and go buy some more games
 
[quote name='BigMuffinLuv']My opinion comes from years of real life application in working closely with hundreds to possibly thousands of people who are overweight or obese. I have worked with clients in excess of 450 pounds and greatly understand the psychological, social, emotional, and physical complexities of bearing such a burden (no pun intended). People like this client and those we are seeing on TV this evening are regular human beings like all of us.

The coursework in my program included a specific class called Exercise Psychology where we took into consideration how damaging conditions like this can be on someone's outlook on life and how they perceive their condition(s).

My commentary on addictions was not meant to be generalized. In that, I believe I may have been taken out of context. Strictly speaking towards obesity, as a health care professional, I believe we are doing more harm than good by labelling it a disease. Liken this to being diagnosed with cancer (not caused by smoking or environmental factors).

Once diagnosed, one with cancer will resign to the fact that this was completely out of their hands. This terrible condition was not brought on by lifestyle habits, their work environment, or any one thing they may have done. It is simply something they must deal with as best as possible with the support of everyone around them.

I honestly believe that we cannot allow obesity to be discussed in the same light as diseases like cancer. It must be considered a "conditional" disease such as HIV where someone was not careful with how they led their life.[/quote]

You're saying that obesity should not be considered a disease, but also that it should be considered a "conditional" disease (one resulting from behavioral choices). Moreover, in your first post, you were discussing this in terms of "addiction." So which is it, then? All three? Some and not others? Or just context dependent? You are, I'm afraid, changing your argument enough that I'm not finding it easy to follow your broader point.

What successes have you had clinically in dealing with these clients, and why do you think that is?

I can agree that treating it as something "conditional" may be useful - but I don't think that's something that naturally stems from any conversation of "addiction." Sure, you have the occasional trial-lawyer happy cat who wants to sue Philip Morris, or Altria, or whomever - but for the most part, when we think of the end result of "addictive" behavior (lung cancer/emphysema, drug overdose, irreversible cardiac conditions from overeating), it's not a logical necessity that we blame external situations. In talking about it in terms of addictions, there implies the role the individual played in their own demise.

A major element of recognizing addictions, as I'm sue you know, involves the recognition of something's harmful effects (that gambling keeps you from paying your bills or providing food for your family, overeating means your clothes no longer fit, drugs have killed off all your friendships except for the co-dependent ones, etc.); more important than just that, however, is the acceptance that, despite these harmful effects, either it's "too late" to change behavior, or something else is considered, so that the person *continues* with their behavior, rationalizing their behavior, in spite of seeing the damage it is doing to them. "I know it's bad for me and I continue to do it." Do we not see that when we see the video in the OP, and the man eating a plate of eggs and sausages, talking about "pain going away"?

Lastly, please do not become confrontational and question my credentials. You have made some bold statements yourself, with which I am responding with honest opinions and facts discovered in the field and during my education.

Thank you.
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I'm not wearing any badges here, and I'm just presenting my opinion. Had you mentioned your clinical work originally, I'd have some modicum of deference more than previously. Nevertheless, I happen to be both a skeptic and a touch lacking in good graces. You'll have to bear with me. I'm addicted to being a bastard. ;)
 
[quote name='Maklershed']If you're not exercising, you're prob better off to keep it at about 1,700 a day. You prob just hit a plateau cause your body adjusted. If you stuck with it at the 1700 calorie level you'd prob start losing again but at a slower rate than you did previously. Lowering your calorie intake to 1000-1200 a day isnt a good thing. You're probably getting too few calories and your body will start storing fat as an emergency measure. So my advice, up your calorie intake to 1750 a day and start exercising. And remember, the more vigorous you exercise the more calories you can start taking in.[/QUOTE]

See, the thing about exercise is that (IIRC - after all, I'm not a physiologist ;)) for every 15lbs of lean muscles weight you add onto your body, you can add approximately 500 calories to your daily intake without storing it. Which, when you consider that dieting by reducing your intake to 1200 calories per day is *never* meant to be a permanent fixation, is a longer-term but overall more realistic/ideal option.
 
What I don't understand about the EXTREME obese crowd.. is like.. why in the hell did you not catch yourself early on?

I've been in a relationship for over 2 years now. We got comfortable, and..well we put on like 30lbs each (LOL). We were normal weight when we met, but we just got a bit too comfortable.

Everyday we laugh at the fact that we gained weight. Some clothes obviously don't fit anymore. After more & more clothes started to NOT fit.. well, this became a red flag for us.

The point is--- I don't understand how one can outgrow their wardrobe..accept it..outgrow their next..accept it..and so on and so forth.

I gained weight because I enjoy endulging and don't like to work out. So..if I can accept this, what's wrong with these other people? We all gain weight the same way. Some people just want an excuse, IMO.

I just don't get it.
 
[quote name='evilmojo12542']I am a fat man withoput question. I am here to add I bust my ass to try to loose weight I lost 35 pounds and seemed to have stop loosing it now I lost it by eating 1000-1200 callories a day I do not care who your are that is not enough to live healthy. I eat my veggies fruit etc and I work at a job where I am up and down stairs 100 times a day carring car parts some of which are quite heavy. my point is that while yes you do have some controll you do not have all the controll needed. I am type 2 diab. it sucks but I can honestly say I have not been to a doctor in 2 years calledi n work sick etc. my being fat has not or will not hurt our medical crisis in america all to often fat people are driving up cost of drugs/treatment here it all the time yet I am perfectley healthy for the most part[/quote]

Congratulations on what you've accomplished so far!

The biggest part of regaining control of our health is proper education. With applied knowledge comes power and success. The commercialization of fitness and wellness has ultimately led to a plethora of misinformation to the point where it becomes completely hopeless to find the real science behind weight loss.

Please make sure you do not take specific weight loss suggestions from anyone who is not a registered dietician or certified nutritionist (depending on the state of residence). Providing someone specific guidance with calories, meal plans, etc. without these credentials can lead to significant prosecution- Especially in states where dietetics is regulated.

Plus, think about it- You would not go to a foot doctor to perform spinal surgery would you?

I would suggest visiting http://www.mypyramid.gov for dietary guidance. This is the new food pyramid which now takes activity level into account. This personalizes the old formula a lot more and educates us on how our activities really influence how much we ought to be eating.
 
As soon as I saw this thread title I should've just stayed far away but now that I'm here let's get to this.

First off I will say that without even watching this show I can tell it's horrible.

[quote name='BigMuffinLuv']Hi all,

I've been a CAG member for years and have barely contributed to the forums... I have read plenty and scoured for deals, but only occassionally post.

I'd like to contribute to this thread as I have been watching the recent TLC shows documenting the life of the obese and caught the arguments taking place here.

Who am I and why does it matter in this thread?

I'm a graduate of the University of South Florida with a Bachelor's Degree in Exercise Science & Physiology. This program is one of very few in the country accredited by the American College of Sports Medicine. I am also a certified personal trainer with this group, considered the "Gold Standard" of PT. With this I have become a Personal Training Manager with Lifestyle Family Fitness in Florida.

My contribution to this thread>

Obesity, like nearly every diagnosed condition, does have a genetic component where some may be more predisposed to it than others. Just as some of us respond to alcohol, smoking, certain drugs, certain environmental influences differently- Others have different metabolic responses to what they eat.[/quote]

You had me up to this point.

However, obesity is first and foremost dictated by lifestyle choices. If a family member had Type 2 Diabetes from poor eating habits and sedentary lifestyle, than the offspring should understand that they are likely predisposed to getting Type II Diabetes. With this in mind, they need to adopt healthy habits and ensure the same does not happen to them through vigilant exercise and smart eating.

It's hard to say if we should feel sorry for people who honestly, truly believe they have an "addiciton" when all of us can objectively look in from the outside and see that it is first and foremost lifestyle choices which caused that person to get where they are today. Is there a genetic contributor? Yes. Does that mean we should placate these "sufferers" and call them "victims?" In my professional opinion, I think not. All this does is justify their position and enable them to further fall into the self imposed life of despair. I believe that by labelling it a disease we make it "OK" to be obese. This does no favors for one who is on the brink of death because of poor lifestyle habits.

Instead of placating and reassuring through calling it a disease, it is time we become proactive and empower these people to let them know they CAN reverse their current situation. If necessary there is professional assistance to make sure it happens.

Thank you for your time.

Doug Morreale
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Then you lost me with this load of crap. This isn't meant to be a personal attack on you Doug but for everyone else in this thread that's all like "let's get rid of all the fat people. All I ever hear is that obesity is a lifestyle choice and that is BS. Obesity is NOT a lifestyle choice anymore than being tall is. Obesity IS genetically predisposed I'll give you that , but to say that it's reversable is pretty close to being a lie short of surgery and even that is not a gurantee. I really don't feel like going through a song and dance number about all the fucking lies regarding the "obesity epidemic" so instead I shall point everyone to two websites that should help everyone with your misunderstandings.

http://www.bigfatfacts.com/

http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/

if anyone doesn't feel liking rading through those sites I'd be happy to pull out specific posts on them that show what I'm talking about.

Bottom line though is that some people are fat , some people are thin and what the hell difference does it make to anyone else how fat or thin we are. Fat people are people too and deserve the same rights and respect as anyone else.
 
[quote name='StarKnightX']Fat people are people too and deserve the same rights and respect as anyone else.[/quote]

When their fat starts to affect my life by making me pay more so we can have "fat friendly airline seats" because charging them two tickets isn't kosher how is that fair to the rest of the healthy society?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']

1.You're saying that obesity should not be considered a disease, but also that it should be considered a "conditional" disease (one resulting from behavioral choices). Moreover, in your first post, you were discussing this in terms of "addiction." So which is it, then? All three? Some and not others? Or just context dependent? You are, I'm afraid, changing your argument enough that I'm not finding it easy to follow your broader point.

2.What successes have you had clinically in dealing with these clients, and why do you think that is?

3..A major element of recognizing addictions, as I'm sue you know, involves the recognition of something's harmful effects (that gambling keeps you from paying your bills or providing food for your family, overeating means your clothes no longer fit, drugs have killed off all your friendships except for the co-dependent ones, etc.); more important than just that, however, is the acceptance that, despite these harmful effects, either it's "too late" to change behavior, or something else is considered, so that the person *continues* with their behavior, rationalizing their behavior, in spite of seeing the damage it is doing to them. "I know it's bad for me and I continue to do it." Do we not see that when we see the video in the OP, and the man eating a plate of eggs and sausages, talking about "pain going away"?


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I'm going to reply with a number system in which I address what is quoted above. I am not keen on how to quote certain sections, reply specifically, and then quote another portion. Refer to the numbers added within the quote to see which topic I am adressing. Thanks.

1. I apologize for the confusion. From my experience and schooling, I have learned that obesity is largely decided by poor lifestyle habits. Recent scientific studies have indicated that there may be a "fat gene" which could potentially lead to a higher likelihood of obesity- if and only if- poor lifestyle habits form.

Hopefully this passage clears things up ->> All kinds of things are called "diseases." There's diseases of the mind and the body which are caused by a huge multitude of factors (environment, genetics, drug interactions, lifestyle habits, etc.) Is obesity a paralyzing condition? Absolutely. When left untreated can it cause a number of life-threatening diseases? Of course. To be picky and use specific terminology, I would call obesity a "condition" for two reasons.
>> Obesity is primarily brought about through the summation of life choices leading to its diagnosis.
>> Obesity is a strong indicator and causes a number of diseases (heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes).

2. I have specifically helped clients lose as much as 75 pounds. The most troubling part is that those who typically need it the most are the ones who are really the toughest to train. They often underestimate their portion sizes and report a higher level of exercise than what was actually completed. The private health club realm of personal training also requires a certain financial compensation for services rendered as well. Sometimes members will reach a certain weight goal, be satisfied, and stop training. 6 months later at New Year's I see them again and the weight has been regained and then some!

Those who achieve the greatest success are the ones who are able to stick with it and stay dedicated despite obstacles in the beginning where weight loss can be slow. Making a gigantic lifestyle change is very hard and when not met with instant results, it is very hard to justify this change for any length of time. I've seen statistics where average gym patrons (not morbidly obese, everyone)... Half of these people who buy memberships leave after ONE MONTH. Mostly this is due to a lack of patience in working hard to achieve results along with a lack of education to get from point A to point B.

3. I understand how using the term addiction could help in attracting a social network to help the person who perceives their situation as hopeless. A trusting circle of influence is vital in achieving success. Condition, however, I think is more effective in addressing the actual nature of what's going on. Choices --> Obesity --> Life threatening diseases
 
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Then you lost me with this load of crap. This isn't meant to be a personal attack on you Doug but for everyone else in this thread that's all like "let's get rid of all the fat people. All I ever hear is that obesity is a lifestyle choice and that is BS. Obesity is NOT a lifestyle choice anymore than being tall is. Obesity IS genetically predisposed I'll give you that , but to say that it's reversable is pretty close to being a lie short of surgery and even that is not a gurantee. I really don't feel like going through a song and dance number about all the fucking lies regarding the "obesity epidemic" so instead I shall point everyone to two websites that should help everyone with your misunderstandings.

http://www.bigfatfacts.com/

http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/

if anyone doesn't feel liking rading through those sites I'd be happy to pull out specific posts on them that show what I'm talking about.

Bottom line though is that some people are fat , some people are thin and what the hell difference does it make to anyone else how fat or thin we are. Fat people are people too and deserve the same rights and respect as anyone else.[/quote]


I apologize if anything I have presented was offensive. I never intended that to be the case. Let me put it this way.

The phrase "Changing Lives" is on the name tags of each of my trainers and all trainers with Lifestyle Family Fitness. Within each of our 50+ clubs you will see real-life, living, breathing examples of people who have changed their lives. For some, this meant reaching an athletic achievement like completing a marathon. For others, this has meant increasing their strength so that their osteopoerosis symptoms lessen... For others still it has meant rehabilitating a weakened area. The majority, however, are testimonials of real life people who have successfully transformed their body and ultimately added months, even years of quality life to their expected timeline.

One of the most rewarding parts about my career is hearing about how much we've helped change someone's life. When I learn that someone we've trained has lost 200 pounds, dropped 10 dress sizes, and is able to keep up with their children again... It's truly inspiring and validates the long hours many of us put in at our clubs.

I understand that the road for some of us is harder for others. There are people out there we all know who have the ability to eat whatever they want and "get away with it" as they stay the same weight even while being lazy. It seems to make no sense at all. Their genetics make it very difficult to gain weight and this can even be damaging to their psyches as well. Strictly speaking from a scientific standpoint- It is absolutely possible to succeed in losing significant amounts of weight when the right exercise regiment and nutrition habits are followed. These routines and habits are dynamic and must adapt as the person's body adapts. This is the hardest part for a lot of us. We find what seems to be the perfect routine or perfect eating plan and then we plateau. At this point we accept that this is where I'm meant to "stay".

Now as far as acceptance of larger individuals, I fully support this. Discrimination of anyone based on their body size is just as despicable as any founded upon color, religion, or other factors. If anything, putting down those who are overweight or obese will do nothing but reinforce the condition further. Why is it we talk so much about it, if it is "Ok" than?

Because obesity has clearly been linked as an indicator of future disease outcomes. It is my duty with the profession and education I have chosen to ensure I help as many people as possible in order to ensure they are living long, healthy, happy lives. If they decide that they want to live life with obesity and greatly risk the chance of dying much younger and likely suffering social discrimination- Then that is their choice. However, it has been my experience that the vast majority would like to live as I described above.

Thanks for reading.
 
[quote name='Magehart']When their fat starts to affect my life by making me pay more so we can have "fat friendly airline seats" because charging them two tickets isn't kosher how is that fair to the rest of the healthy society?[/QUOTE]

Well for a good start if airlines actually increased the size of the seats in the planes to accomedate the "average" sized american then the ticket problem wouldn't really be a problem but thats because the airlines like money too much to change things. But thats beside the point.

I've read plenty of stories about charging fat people for two seats on planes and guess what? Most fat people would like that extra space too so that they don't have to be squished next to someone that obviously hates being next to a fat person. But you know what else? You have airlines like southwest that charge fat people for two seats and then sell the second seat to someone else anyway since "we need to cram as many people into each flight as possible to make the most money".

But for everycase like yours where ligitametly you may be right , what about cases like these:

http://consumerist.com/consumer/com...-because-he-wouldnt-buy-2nd-ticket-231104.php

or this:

http://www.wlwt.com/travelgetaways/6838150/detail.html

or this:

http://feminist-reprise.blogspot.com/2006/02/screwed-by-southwest.html

need some more cause I ccan find you some more if you like?
 
Your website says I'm overweight and in danger of developing health complications. :lol:

Thats hysterical as everyone I know keeps telling me I look too thin.

[quote name='BigMuffinLuv']Congratulations on what you've accomplished so far!

The biggest part of regaining control of our health is proper education. With applied knowledge comes power and success. The commercialization of fitness and wellness has ultimately led to a plethora of misinformation to the point where it becomes completely hopeless to find the real science behind weight loss.

Please make sure you do not take specific weight loss suggestions from anyone who is not a registered dietician or certified nutritionist (depending on the state of residence). Providing someone specific guidance with calories, meal plans, etc. without these credentials can lead to significant prosecution- Especially in states where dietetics is regulated.

Plus, think about it- You would not go to a foot doctor to perform spinal surgery would you?

I would suggest visiting http://www.mypyramid.gov for dietary guidance. This is the new food pyramid which now takes activity level into account. This personalizes the old formula a lot more and educates us on how our activities really influence how much we ought to be eating.[/quote]
 
[quote name='StarKnightX']
Obesity is NOT a lifestyle choice anymore than being tall is. Obesity IS genetically predisposed I'll give you that , but to say that it's reversable is pretty close to being a lie short of surgery and even that is not a gurantee.[/quote]WRONG. People can CHOOSE not to be obese by, oh, I don't know, PUTTING DOWN THE DAMN FORK. Nobody is born obese, they become that way. I grew up in a family full of alcoholics. Does that mean it's not reversable, and I myself am going to be one? Absolutely not. Yes, genetically, I would be more easily prone to falling into alcoholism, but guess what. Through personal choice and responsible decisions, I will not.
 
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