I hate to admit it, but f--k Paypal
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[quote name='donkeed157']
So, some sellers just say they can't accept it once I pm them about it.[/QUOTE]
TECHNICALLY (technically, mind you), in case you don't read the link, how the rule works is this:
I (as a seller) can in no way, shape or form, advertise or hint that I accept money orders/checks, etc. This goes as far as I can't put in my auction "E-mail me for alternate payment options".
BUT, if a buyer contacts me and says "hey, can I pay with money order" - it's no problem for me to accept it.
bmulligan
I've had the same thing happen - I ship absurdly fast, and paypal has frozen funds after shipment.
Use your own judgement - if it's a 0 feedbacker, keeping your mouth shut may be wise. If the person has a significant amount of feedback, some recent and regularly buys items greater than $10-25, I'd contact them. They probably don't want to deal with the retaliations of a pissed off seller due to an f-up of their bank or paypal.
My money's on after two weeks, PP will say "investigation over, here's your money, sorry for the inconvenience" as this is what's happened to me on any/every "seemingly random" investigation.
So, some sellers just say they can't accept it once I pm them about it.[/QUOTE]
TECHNICALLY (technically, mind you), in case you don't read the link, how the rule works is this:
I (as a seller) can in no way, shape or form, advertise or hint that I accept money orders/checks, etc. This goes as far as I can't put in my auction "E-mail me for alternate payment options".
BUT, if a buyer contacts me and says "hey, can I pay with money order" - it's no problem for me to accept it.
bmulligan
I've had the same thing happen - I ship absurdly fast, and paypal has frozen funds after shipment.
Use your own judgement - if it's a 0 feedbacker, keeping your mouth shut may be wise. If the person has a significant amount of feedback, some recent and regularly buys items greater than $10-25, I'd contact them. They probably don't want to deal with the retaliations of a pissed off seller due to an f-up of their bank or paypal.
My money's on after two weeks, PP will say "investigation over, here's your money, sorry for the inconvenience" as this is what's happened to me on any/every "seemingly random" investigation.
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bmulligan
I've had the same thing happen - I ship absurdly fast, and paypal has frozen funds after shipment.
Use your own judgement - if it's a 0 feedbacker, keeping your mouth shut may be wise. If the person has a significant amount of feedback, some recent and regularly buys items greater than $10-25, I'd contact them. They probably don't want to deal with the retaliations of a pissed off seller due to an f-up of their bank or paypal.
My money's on after two weeks, PP will say "investigation over, here's your money, sorry for the inconvenience" as this is what's happened to me on any/every "seemingly random" investigation.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, this one I even waited a day and a half to ship. I often ship the same day if possible to seasoned users. The funny thing is that Paypal TOLD me to wait 2 days so that I'm safer shipping items.
That's all fine and good but now Ebay has this "seller rating" feature where buyers rate you according to price, item described accuracy, shipping time, and shipping cost. Adding 2 days to ship can seriously curtail your shipping time rating through no fault of your own. Then the real zinger is that when one of your ratings dips below 4.6 stars, you get this semi-threatening email from Ebay. They tell you you're jeopardizing your place in search results by not shipping things in a timely manner. I got one of those 2 months ago and was livid.
What happens when some asshole from California resents having to pay $14 shipping because I live in Michigan? He decides to give me a 2 rating, and then another 2 rating on shipping time because t took more than 5 days to ship his package parcel post to freaking California. I don't mind a single star rating, but detailed ratings are absolute hogwash.
bmulligan
I've had the same thing happen - I ship absurdly fast, and paypal has frozen funds after shipment.
Use your own judgement - if it's a 0 feedbacker, keeping your mouth shut may be wise. If the person has a significant amount of feedback, some recent and regularly buys items greater than $10-25, I'd contact them. They probably don't want to deal with the retaliations of a pissed off seller due to an f-up of their bank or paypal.
My money's on after two weeks, PP will say "investigation over, here's your money, sorry for the inconvenience" as this is what's happened to me on any/every "seemingly random" investigation.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, this one I even waited a day and a half to ship. I often ship the same day if possible to seasoned users. The funny thing is that Paypal TOLD me to wait 2 days so that I'm safer shipping items.
That's all fine and good but now Ebay has this "seller rating" feature where buyers rate you according to price, item described accuracy, shipping time, and shipping cost. Adding 2 days to ship can seriously curtail your shipping time rating through no fault of your own. Then the real zinger is that when one of your ratings dips below 4.6 stars, you get this semi-threatening email from Ebay. They tell you you're jeopardizing your place in search results by not shipping things in a timely manner. I got one of those 2 months ago and was livid.
What happens when some asshole from California resents having to pay $14 shipping because I live in Michigan? He decides to give me a 2 rating, and then another 2 rating on shipping time because t took more than 5 days to ship his package parcel post to freaking California. I don't mind a single star rating, but detailed ratings are absolute hogwash.
[quote name='bmulligan']
What happens when some asshole from California resents having to pay $14 shipping because I live in Michigan? He decides to give me a 2 rating, and then another 2 rating on shipping time because t took more than 5 days to ship his package parcel post to freaking California. I don't mind a single star rating, but detailed ratings are absolute hogwash.[/QUOTE]
Don't get me started.
I ship within 24 hours. But like I said, every time one of those investigations showed up, it stuck around for a few weeks, then I got my money back.
Btw, what was it you were shipping from MI to CA that cost $14? Something you couldn't "Flat Rate" priority?
What happens when some asshole from California resents having to pay $14 shipping because I live in Michigan? He decides to give me a 2 rating, and then another 2 rating on shipping time because t took more than 5 days to ship his package parcel post to freaking California. I don't mind a single star rating, but detailed ratings are absolute hogwash.[/QUOTE]
Don't get me started.
I ship within 24 hours. But like I said, every time one of those investigations showed up, it stuck around for a few weeks, then I got my money back.
Btw, what was it you were shipping from MI to CA that cost $14? Something you couldn't "Flat Rate" priority?
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I might be a potential joiner of this club.
20 minutes before I access my account, there are a total of 11 ***UNAUTHORIZED**** completed payments of $10-50 each in Euro currency made out Skype for a service I have never used.
I search around online and found out this has been happening to other people for years.
Now my account is locked pending an investigation, but hearing the horror stories, I know I will be found innocent but any money (~$80) won't be able to be recovered with my luck....
20 minutes before I access my account, there are a total of 11 ***UNAUTHORIZED**** completed payments of $10-50 each in Euro currency made out Skype for a service I have never used.
I search around online and found out this has been happening to other people for years.
Now my account is locked pending an investigation, but hearing the horror stories, I know I will be found innocent but any money (~$80) won't be able to be recovered with my luck....
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How do I enter the tracking info into paypal/ebay?
[quote name='pfp']Don't get me started.
I ship within 24 hours. But like I said, every time one of those investigations showed up, it stuck around for a few weeks, then I got my money back.
Btw, what was it you were shipping from MI to CA that cost $14? Something you couldn't "Flat Rate" priority?[/QUOTE]
That was just an example for effect. I have no idea who actually gave me sub 5 star rating to bring my average down to 4.6 - becuase you can't see the individual ratings!! It's an absolute travesty that below a 4.6 you get "The Warning". below 4.0, sure, I could understand. But getting warned at 4.6 is like getting yelled at by your dad because you got an A- instead of an A. It's bullshit.
And actually, I did have to ship a large package of 85 NES games to California which did cost an arm and a leg, and would never have fit in flat rate box, but the guy was happy to pay it.
I ship within 24 hours. But like I said, every time one of those investigations showed up, it stuck around for a few weeks, then I got my money back.
Btw, what was it you were shipping from MI to CA that cost $14? Something you couldn't "Flat Rate" priority?[/QUOTE]
That was just an example for effect. I have no idea who actually gave me sub 5 star rating to bring my average down to 4.6 - becuase you can't see the individual ratings!! It's an absolute travesty that below a 4.6 you get "The Warning". below 4.0, sure, I could understand. But getting warned at 4.6 is like getting yelled at by your dad because you got an A- instead of an A. It's bullshit.
And actually, I did have to ship a large package of 85 NES games to California which did cost an arm and a leg, and would never have fit in flat rate box, but the guy was happy to pay it.
bmulligan -
NES games fit well in a "large flat rate box", though you're looking at three of them, I'd think, to send 85 games. At that point, it may make more sense to stuff them in one package and pay by weight, but who knows.
The DSR (this is me playing devil's advocate, understanding where eBay's coming from, not necessarily agreeing) limits are based on whatever the "average" is on the site.
If you fall below 4.3 on any one DSR, they don't let you sell until it goes up (or 30 days past). This sounds aggressive.
Until you find out that 95% (can't remember the exact number, may even be 98) of eBay sellers are above 4.3. Honestly, it probably benefits every one of us in the eBay community for the BOTTOM 5% of eBay sellers to be milled out.
NES games fit well in a "large flat rate box", though you're looking at three of them, I'd think, to send 85 games. At that point, it may make more sense to stuff them in one package and pay by weight, but who knows.
The DSR (this is me playing devil's advocate, understanding where eBay's coming from, not necessarily agreeing) limits are based on whatever the "average" is on the site.
If you fall below 4.3 on any one DSR, they don't let you sell until it goes up (or 30 days past). This sounds aggressive.
Until you find out that 95% (can't remember the exact number, may even be 98) of eBay sellers are above 4.3. Honestly, it probably benefits every one of us in the eBay community for the BOTTOM 5% of eBay sellers to be milled out.
If every single person that was unhappy with the system got together and planned ahead, in theory, you could probably shut ebay down in under a month by buying lots of items and just giving 1's across the board to each and every seller.
It would be a dick move, but when ebay refused to allow tens of thousands of people to sell due to their detailed ratings and it started hitting their bottom line, I bet things would change pretty quickly.
It would be a dick move, but when ebay refused to allow tens of thousands of people to sell due to their detailed ratings and it started hitting their bottom line, I bet things would change pretty quickly.
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4.3 ? That's nucking futz.
Considering we have no control over who purchases from us, I'm calling complete shenanigans. That's like blaming the teacher for not being able to make a classroom full of retarded kids get 1500s on the SAT. 80% of people don't even READ listings and have no business judging whether or not we've met the terms of the contract. It's all about how they feel, and that's no way to judge business transactions objectively.
Considering we have no control over who purchases from us, I'm calling complete shenanigans. That's like blaming the teacher for not being able to make a classroom full of retarded kids get 1500s on the SAT. 80% of people don't even READ listings and have no business judging whether or not we've met the terms of the contract. It's all about how they feel, and that's no way to judge business transactions objectively.
[quote name='SaraAB']My feedback is approaching 500 too however I don't get half the feedback I should be getting, I honestly think buyers leave ebay once the holiday season is over and just don't check their accounts until they need some toy so desperately next Christmas.[/quote]
Not as bad as Amazon, though. :/
I've sold maybe 50+ things on Amazon over the past couple years, and I've received about nine feedback ratings, one of which was neutral, so now it looks like my feedback score isn't as good as it could be. -_- I went from 100% positive to 86%, even though I've sold so much.
Not as bad as Amazon, though. :/
I've sold maybe 50+ things on Amazon over the past couple years, and I've received about nine feedback ratings, one of which was neutral, so now it looks like my feedback score isn't as good as it could be. -_- I went from 100% positive to 86%, even though I've sold so much.
[quote name='SlammedNiss']This is why I absolutely refuse to ship outside of the US anymore. It simply isn't worth the hassle to get it shipped, then the chance they say they never receive the item.[/quote]
I agree, since almost the beginning of my ebay experience I refuse to sell outside the US. Overall I have had a few idiots but for the most part, it's a good experience.
I agree, since almost the beginning of my ebay experience I refuse to sell outside the US. Overall I have had a few idiots but for the most part, it's a good experience.
[quote name='bmulligan']
Considering we have no control over who purchases from us, I'm calling complete shenanigans. That's like blaming the teacher for not being able to make a classroom full of retarded kids get 1500s on the SAT. 80% of people don't even READ listings and have no business judging whether or not we've met the terms of the contract. It's all about how they feel, and that's no way to judge business transactions objectively.[/QUOTE]
Yes and no - 90% of customers, IF SATISFIED, won't look at 4 and think "adequate".
They'll just go straight down with 5's.
Which is why it's so high.
How many people have you talked to that say "oh, I don't buy anything on eBay, there's too many scam artists on there!"
They're trying to improve that rep by getting rid of the bottom 5% of sellers.
Considering we have no control over who purchases from us, I'm calling complete shenanigans. That's like blaming the teacher for not being able to make a classroom full of retarded kids get 1500s on the SAT. 80% of people don't even READ listings and have no business judging whether or not we've met the terms of the contract. It's all about how they feel, and that's no way to judge business transactions objectively.[/QUOTE]
Yes and no - 90% of customers, IF SATISFIED, won't look at 4 and think "adequate".
They'll just go straight down with 5's.
Which is why it's so high.
How many people have you talked to that say "oh, I don't buy anything on eBay, there's too many scam artists on there!"
They're trying to improve that rep by getting rid of the bottom 5% of sellers.
What's up with Ebay jacking up the prices???
I hadn't sold on Ebay since the beginning of the year until just before this past Xmas and wow, 15% or something they charge you for a fixed price auction of a game. Ridiculous.
Then there's the default listing order. Now some get their auctions listed higher than yours even though yours ends sooner. Thanks ebay.
I used to do fixed price auctions because I could price the listing high and then gradually lower the price until it sold. I also think its a convenience for buyers compared to a bidding auction. Who wants to sit there and bid on common items and waste their time to save a $1 or $2? Plus I could be lazy listing my items. I could edit my ad anytime until 12 hrs before the listing ended.
Here I thought Ebay wanted folks to do fixed price too, but there new rates drove me back to bid auctions. Anyway I'm definitely not selling much on Ebay anymore. The economics just got a lot worse.
I hadn't sold on Ebay since the beginning of the year until just before this past Xmas and wow, 15% or something they charge you for a fixed price auction of a game. Ridiculous.
Then there's the default listing order. Now some get their auctions listed higher than yours even though yours ends sooner. Thanks ebay.
I used to do fixed price auctions because I could price the listing high and then gradually lower the price until it sold. I also think its a convenience for buyers compared to a bidding auction. Who wants to sit there and bid on common items and waste their time to save a $1 or $2? Plus I could be lazy listing my items. I could edit my ad anytime until 12 hrs before the listing ended.
Here I thought Ebay wanted folks to do fixed price too, but there new rates drove me back to bid auctions. Anyway I'm definitely not selling much on Ebay anymore. The economics just got a lot worse.
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[quote name='trip1eX']What's up with Ebay jacking up the prices???
I hadn't sold on Ebay since the beginning of the year until just before this past Xmas and wow, 15% or something they charge you for a fixed price auction of a game. Ridiculous.
Then there's the default listing order. Now some get their auctions listed higher than yours even though yours ends sooner. Thanks ebay.
I used to do fixed price auctions because I could price the listing high and then gradually lower the price until it sold. I also think its a convenience for buyers compared to a bidding auction. Who wants to sit there and bid on common items and waste their time to save a $1 or $2? Plus I could be lazy listing my items. I could edit my ad anytime until 12 hrs before the listing ended.
Here I thought Ebay wanted folks to do fixed price too, but there new rates drove me back to bid auctions. Anyway I'm definitely not selling much on Ebay anymore. The economics just got a lot worse.[/quote]
It's as if Ebay wants to fail. Their only strategy is buying up the competition and then making it suck. Part Microsoft, part Dan Snyder, and pure crap for the customers.
I hadn't sold on Ebay since the beginning of the year until just before this past Xmas and wow, 15% or something they charge you for a fixed price auction of a game. Ridiculous.
Then there's the default listing order. Now some get their auctions listed higher than yours even though yours ends sooner. Thanks ebay.
I used to do fixed price auctions because I could price the listing high and then gradually lower the price until it sold. I also think its a convenience for buyers compared to a bidding auction. Who wants to sit there and bid on common items and waste their time to save a $1 or $2? Plus I could be lazy listing my items. I could edit my ad anytime until 12 hrs before the listing ended.
Here I thought Ebay wanted folks to do fixed price too, but there new rates drove me back to bid auctions. Anyway I'm definitely not selling much on Ebay anymore. The economics just got a lot worse.[/quote]
It's as if Ebay wants to fail. Their only strategy is buying up the competition and then making it suck. Part Microsoft, part Dan Snyder, and pure crap for the customers.
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Well, I just got hit by 2 international buyers. Wish I had read this thread before I started dealing with these assholes. Of course, paypal disputes are pending and although I sent via first class international mail and gave them the customs forms which proved that they had been dropped off at the post office, it appears I'm going to lose the cases. Any help on this would greatly be appreciated.
My main question is can paypal go into your bank account (if it is linked) or charge any credit cards associated with your account if the funds are not available directly in my paypal account?
My main question is can paypal go into your bank account (if it is linked) or charge any credit cards associated with your account if the funds are not available directly in my paypal account?
[quote name='galvatron2k1']Well, I just got hit by 2 international buyers. Wish I had read this thread before I started dealing with these assholes. Of course, paypal disputes are pending and although I sent via first class international mail and gave them the customs forms which proved that they had been dropped off at the post office, it appears I'm going to lose the cases. Any help on this would greatly be appreciated.
My main question is can paypal go into your bank account (if it is linked) or charge any credit cards associated with your account if the funds are not available directly in my paypal account?[/quote]
I don't believe they can. But if you don't pay the money required, you'll lose that PayPal account, and they may try and prevent you from creating a new one.
My main question is can paypal go into your bank account (if it is linked) or charge any credit cards associated with your account if the funds are not available directly in my paypal account?[/quote]
I don't believe they can. But if you don't pay the money required, you'll lose that PayPal account, and they may try and prevent you from creating a new one.
Yeah, they did dip into linked bank accounts at one time (years ago) but my understanding is they no longer do this. Your account will go negative if you don't have funds to cover and they may send it to a collection agency eventually. (And hose your credit in the process.)
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Ugh, paypal is frustrating me too!
I've always heard bad things about selling on ebay, but after selling one lot of stuff last year and having a decent experience with it I decided to start some more listings last weekend (trying to make enough money for a HDTV for my new 360).
As a precaution I changed my paypal password to what I thought was a better one after noticing that ebay wasn't going to allowing me to receive payment any other way (I couldn't find the option for that anywhere).
The next day I get some bogus chinese paypal invoices that sap my bank account of over a thousand bucks! I don't know how they gained access to my account without changing my password, which I did AGAIN after disputing the charges.
Paypal refunded me for two of the three charges and says the third may not be refunded to me for 30 days!
So far my ebay listings don't have any foreign bidders except for a candadian (I couldn't find an option that made the listing exclusive to the US), so hopefully that'll stay that way and maybe someday I'll get my money back so I can pay my bills.
I've always heard bad things about selling on ebay, but after selling one lot of stuff last year and having a decent experience with it I decided to start some more listings last weekend (trying to make enough money for a HDTV for my new 360).
As a precaution I changed my paypal password to what I thought was a better one after noticing that ebay wasn't going to allowing me to receive payment any other way (I couldn't find the option for that anywhere).
The next day I get some bogus chinese paypal invoices that sap my bank account of over a thousand bucks! I don't know how they gained access to my account without changing my password, which I did AGAIN after disputing the charges.
Paypal refunded me for two of the three charges and says the third may not be refunded to me for 30 days!
So far my ebay listings don't have any foreign bidders except for a candadian (I couldn't find an option that made the listing exclusive to the US), so hopefully that'll stay that way and maybe someday I'll get my money back so I can pay my bills.
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[quote name='Zing']I am not sure how "invoices", regardless of what country they are from, could automatically take money out of your account unless you intentionally paid them.[/QUOTE]
I don't know either.
All I know is I listed a few ebay items, immediately changed my paypal password, the next time I get a couple of paid phoney invoices in chinese.
Paypal resolved the problem and I haven't had another problem since changing the password, again.
I don't know either.
All I know is I listed a few ebay items, immediately changed my paypal password, the next time I get a couple of paid phoney invoices in chinese.
Paypal resolved the problem and I haven't had another problem since changing the password, again.
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why don't you just add delivery confirmation to the package you cheap bastards. There are many ways to insure that you don't get screwed but people like all you are too dumb to do them. adding a little insurance can save all you money by not getting screwed over. you are all just too dumb.
[quote name='goldthorper']why don't you just add delivery confirmation to the package you cheap bastards.[/quote]
Most of us do, when we can. Delivery confirmation is usually not available for packages going out of the country, however, which is mostly what this thread is about.
Most of us do, when we can. Delivery confirmation is usually not available for packages going out of the country, however, which is mostly what this thread is about.
Insurance only helps if the package honestly gets lost or damaged in the shipping process, and only if the buyer is willing to cooperate. It does nothing when dealing with a scammer, especially one in a foreign country.
Yeah, and you're clearly a genius.
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