I think most people hate the $250 not because of the cost itself but...

[quote name='furyk']Why do you need a wireless controller for your 360? It's not like you have to wave the controller around like the PSGAY or Nintendo Wiimosexual.[/quote]


Those insults took talent! You're a winner!
 
[quote name='fraggedbylaggers']No you QFT!!! I am entitled to my opinion. You shouldnt be an ass just because you don't agree. All I was saying was that I had INTENDED on spending $50 on Wii Sports and $200 on the Wii system. The anouncement that the Wii is $250 changes NOTHING for me because I had planned on spending $250 for all of it in the first place![/QUOTE]
This reply made this topic gold.
 
[quote name='iufoltzie']The key phrase is, "Well on their way". It took almost a year to sell 5 million 360s I was musing that Nintendo would be on target to overtake them if they sold that many in 2 months.[/QUOTE]

And how many months of the first year were stores out of stock of the 360? I mean we had second, third, and FOURTH launches going on as far as April. So Microsoft should be counting their blessings that they have only 5 million units sold thus far.

Oh and yeah... Nintendo will have that beat easily in two months. If that. :applause:
 
I believe the argument that having to buy another controller makes the system less affordable is just dumb.

All 3 next gen systems only come with one controller.

The 360 at a minimum is $340 + tax for 2 player if you buy everything new. Then you still have to buy a game to play. Oh, yea, you wanna save your progress? Another $40 + tax to save your progress at least. Or $100 + tax if you want a 20 gb hard drive.

So a minimum of $380 + tax to play 2 player and save your games.

Now the PS3 is a minimum of $500, so do I really need to go any farther than that.

My point is that the Wii is cheaper by comparision to the other two next gen consoles and whining about having to pay for a second controller is just that, whining.
 
[quote name='Kuros']My point is that the Wii is cheaper by comparision to the other two next gen consoles and whining about having to pay for a second controller is just that, whining.[/QUOTE]
While I agree with you, the main beef people have is that Nintendo has emphasized multiplayer and nongamer playing from the getgo, and some feel Nintendo has not fascilitated with well with the controller pricing.

The more I think about it, the more I'm not going to get the nunchuck addon for a 2nd wiimote till I need it. That may come early, if someone wants to play some Wii Boxing, but we'll see.
 
[quote name='Kuros']I believe the argument that having to buy another controller makes the system less affordable is just dumb.

All 3 next gen systems only come with one controller.

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Faulty argument. 360 & PS3 aren't "party" systems though(hell the PS3 will be the first Sony console with more than 2 controller ports). So far there isn't a game on either that begs to have people over to play. With WiiSports, the Wii is a "party" system right out of the box. Nintendo's consoles always have strong multiplayer support, probably due to the lack of online functionality. I think this is what has hurt Xbox the most, too much of a focus on live. People still like to get together in person and play games together, MS seems absent-minded to that fact.
 
[quote name='Corvin']Faulty argument. 360 & PS3 aren't "party" systems though(hell the PS3 will be the first Sony console with more than 2 controller ports). So far there isn't a game on either that begs to have people over to play. With WiiSports, the Wii is a "party" system right out of the box. Nintendo's consoles always have strong multiplayer support, probably due to the lack of online functionality. I think this is what has hurt Xbox the most, too much of a focus on live. People still like to get together in person and play games together, MS seems absent-minded to that fact.[/quote]

Nintendo consoles have had 4 ports since N64 and since then has had "party" games, but the 64 and cube didn't come with 2 controllers either.

If they're not going to have two controllers and Wii Sports, then which makes more sense? If they're trying to bring in non-gamers, wtf would some 40 year old dude need two controllers for to check the weather? Put a game in there and the people that buy the console already have a game to get used to the controller and the non-gamers they're trying to get have a game that might encourage them to go buy more once they play it.
 
[quote name='daroga']While I agree with you, the main beef people have is that Nintendo has emphasized multiplayer and nongamer playing from the getgo, and some feel Nintendo has not fascilitated with well with the controller pricing.

The more I think about it, the more I'm not going to get the nunchuck addon for a 2nd wiimote till I need it. That may come early, if someone wants to play some Wii Boxing, but we'll see.[/QUOTE]

That's an interesting point, and a fleeting moment of well-articulated points in this thread.

It's not even up for debate that a Wii, second controller, and game is still cheaper (marginally) than a premium 360 (the "real" one, if you will). Just as people consider the Core 360 to be a "pointless" bundle (b/c you must spend $40 for a memory card, and at that point, you're $60 short of a premium, but don't have the headset, wireless controller, or HDD), is the $250 Wii "falling short" of what people consider to be an adequate bundle?

On another point, would people's reactions be harsher if they put out a two-wiimote/nunchuck console set for $299? It would be above their stated pricepoint, infuriating many with feelings of betrayal. But, it would be $10 cheaper than buying a second controller, and do more to emphasize the "we" of Wii.

Anyway, I was posting because I have to wonder if the frustration at the Wii pricepoint stems from people's feeling that it's not a true "next-gen" system; that it's more of a Dreamcast-sized hop from the previous generation. In the end, it's still the cheapest of the 3 next-gen consoles, and arguably by a damned large margin; it may not have hit the "sweet spot," but it's still a bargain relative to the other consoles.

That is, unless you consider the "value" in the other systems to be "genuine" next-gen gaming. Oh, hell, I dunno. I'm just postulating. I'll stop here and let the Ninty kids bray and stammer at my suggestion that Wii ain't next-gen (even if it's something I don't really believe, it's something that I have a hard time rationalizing away when it comes to people's ire at the price of this gen's cheapest console).
 
Hindsight is a bitch. Everyone was sucking Nintendo's dick when they came out with an initial price of $250. Then people starting getting giddy because they thought the price would be a lot lower because of reports about manufacturing costs of the processor being lower than expected; meaning Nintendo would pass along the savings to the consumer. Little did people know, but Nintendo is still a business. If they lowered the cost of the Wii from $250, they would lose $50 million for every million units sold. Nintendo is not your friend. The same people who were praising Nintendo a month ago are now bashing them. Some people are just retards and are seemingly never satisfied. Now go back to sucking your mommy's titty you pussies.
 
Don't forget that they're pushing a personalized experience with these controllers. Sure, my random non-gaming friend isn't going to spend $60 on his own controller so he can come over once a month to play some games - unless he decides to get a Wii of his own. But any friend of mine who has a Wii would most likely bring their own controller with their own Mii avatar.

Frankly, it doesn't bother me too much. I have 2 Wavebirds, 2 wired GC controllers, two dance mats, and four sets of bongos (I only paid $15 for each, but OMGWTF, $30 MSRP for controllers that you only use for three games??). Why would I complain about accessory costs? I'll be snagging an extra controller for my fiancee, and then go from there to determine if I have any need for additional remotes and/or nunchuks for party gaming.

And finally, remember everyone, GGCs are your friend ($5 off each part will take it down to $50 for you).

[quote name='mykevermin']That is, unless you consider the "value" in the other systems to be "genuine" next-gen gaming. Oh, hell, I dunno. I'm just postulating. I'll stop here and let the Ninty kids bray and stammer at my suggestion that Wii ain't next-gen (even if it's something I don't really believe, it's something that I have a hard time rationalizing away when it comes to people's ire at the price of this gen's cheapest console).[/quote]It's not next-gen, it's new-gen. ;)
 
[quote name='pdat2003']Now go back to sucking your mommy's titty you pussies.[/QUOTE]

You really had something going there, kid. But the above line doesn't do much for your credibility. It's like ending the State of the Union address with a dead baby joke.


*not that your post was "SotU" good; but it makes for a nice analogy.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'] I'll stop here and let the Ninty kids bray and stammer at my suggestion that Wii ain't next-gen (even if it's something I don't really believe, it's something that I have a hard time rationalizing away when it comes to people's ire at the price of this gen's cheapest console).[/QUOTE]
That all depends on how someone defines "Next-Gen." If "Next-Gen" has to be HD, then the Wii isn't next-gen. If "Next-Gen" has to be new things we've never seen in video game interaction and gameplay before, then neither the 360 nor the PS3 is next-gen.

I pretty much define "next-gen" as each company's next console offering, meaning that all 3 systems would be next-gen in my book. Obviously, this generation though, we have wildly differing directions in company philosophies, so it's up to the buyer to decide which console will give him the best entertainment bang for his buck. And at this stage of the game, that can be a very difficult thing to figure out.
 
Well, given that the issue between PSP and DS is more or less resolved easily in favor of the latter (though I dunno sales figures), you may be onto something, Daroga.

The uncertainty of online capabilities is a far greater sticking point to me than the price of a controller, however.
 
Not having played the Wii I do not know how it plays, but I think the price is too high for a gimmick device that may not function as well as everyone is hoping. No one know how well games will adapt to this new control.
Maybe I will be eating my words a year from now, but I just assume buy the GCN version of Zelda and use the tried and true control method.
Save the rest of my money for HD Xbox 360 games that look incredible.:D
 
[quote name='dougstill']Not having played the Wii I do not know how it plays, but I think the price is too high for a gimmick device that may not function as well as everyone is hoping. No one know how well games will adapt to this new control.
Maybe I will be eating my words a year from now, but I just assume buy the GCN version of Zelda and use the tried and true control method.
Save the rest of my money for HD Xbox 360 games that look incredible.:D[/quote]

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