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I still don't understand why you all have this random distinction between a baby inside the womb and without. I don't see why that makes any difference between being a baby or not. Anyone have just one good argument for that? I've yet to hear one.
I don't make a distinction. Its simply pointless to kill it once its outside the womb, because the purpose of the abortion is already done.[/quote]
So in other words, you don't feel it's wrong to kill a child, since there is no difference between a child who is killed in the womb and one who is killed outside the womb. Quite revealing.
[quote name='dafoomie']
Surely you must realize that this is just a logical conclusion from the thought that you are killing a baby when you have an abortion.
Can you make your beliefs a little clearer? Do you believe that it would be murder from the second of conception? And if so, based on what? I probably won't be able to reason with you if you do, because your opinion is probably based on your faith rather than logic.[/quote]
Nope, based purely on logic. You can re-read what I wrote above for my clear opinion.
[quote name='dafoomie']
I don't see the logic of this argument. If you think abortion is murder, then why wouldn't you try to stop it? Someone's being deprived of their life at someone else's direction, a far cry from something like adultery.
There are people that believe that killing animals is murder. Surely you don't want them imposing their beliefs on you. I don't want to hear an argument based on religion or a soul because there can be no reasoning with it, and we can not have laws based on religious beliefs.[/quote]
Doesn't have anything to do with religion. Murdering people is wrong and not only that, it's against the law. Therefore, every citizen has a responsibility to try to prevent it from happening.
[quote name='dafoomie']
Obviously I never said I'd like to force people to marry those who raped them.
I'm not saying you do, or that its your argument. But in an ultra neo-conservative world, this would be the scenario in which we live, based in part on Dick Cheney's and Dan Quayle's (and many others) stances.
Let me pose a question to you. Do you believe that in vitro fertilization is murder? It involves destruction of fertilized embryos. Would you ban it?[/quote]
I'm not a neocon, but I still would disagree with your characterization of those people.
In vitro involves destruction of fertilized embryos, but those embroys were never implanted and they never began to grow. Therefore, they were just potential lives rather than actual lives. Again, re-read what I wrote above and you would already know my answer to this question.