If history repeats itself, will Sony eventually lose it's power? And to whom?

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I realize that this is probably extremely late for such a discussion, but I'd like to hear opinions on the next big powerhouse. Allow me to explain what I know and feel free to correct me or fill in some blanks for anyone who has a better idea about it.

(I'll try to be very straight-forward due to my lack of knowledge.)
Basically, back when Atari was the gaming powerhouse and Pong was hot, Atari formed some kind of deal with Nintendo where they were to work on a project for a new console. (What is today the NES I believe.) Around it's completion Atari dropped the project, (or rather, declined to produce them, I believe.) and Nintendo went on the complete it. It went on to be the most cutting edge hardware of the time and Nintendo took over as the gaming power house. As time went on, Nintndo made a deal with Sony to produce either an add-on to the SNES or a whole new console (I can't remember). Nintendo eventually dropped the project and Sony realized nothing was stopping it from making the project its own. Sony went on to sell the PlayStation which was, at the time, considered the best hardware (I believe that was based more on the game developers Sony had a contract with) and is, to this day, considered the gaming power house.

I said all that to ask this: Does it look like Sony may lose power anytime soon or will it reign for years to come?
 
As far as I know, Sony hasn't made any deals with anyone to produce some special bit of hardware for the PS3 yet, so they'll probably hold out a lil' while longer.

(Now, it would be funny if Magnavox turned around, made a deal with Sony, then broke off and took over the console market. :p)
 
Not only will Sony remain the powerhouse on the console market, but will probably take over the handheld if Nintendo does not do something good w/ the GBA SP 2.
 
The NES (Famicom) was already developed when Nintendo approached Atari to disribute the system in North America, but they backed out of the deal when they thought Nintendo was doing business with Coleco as well. Instead Nintendo forged ahead and launched the system on its own and went from there...

As far as Sony doing this, I'd say they have an open door as far as Atari's demise is concerned. Sony allows quite a bit of substandard product onto it's system and being sued by other companies for near 9 digits doesn't help things. Sony will be around as long as the market is hot, but if it crashes again they have a good amount of risk out there...
 
I think Sony is trying to once again sucker punch the market by releasing late.

They do it everytime...

Saturn 1st - PS1 2nd

Dreamcast 1st - PS2 2nd

Nintendo DS 1st
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- PSP 2nd
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Xbox 2 1st - PS3 2nd.

The only problem with this is that the market's tech is leveling out. This isnt a leap from 2d to 3d....theres not increased immersion. Nothing new here to report.

This is what will bite Sony in the ass.

Sony will release the PS3 with the Blue Ray Technology and take the helm as the next Sega. Meaning, they'll release something in a wierd new format no one cares about. Also, like sega...they'll move in the industry just a little too fast.

You gotta move slow in the gaming industry. Move to the next levels too fast, and you become Sega. Before its time, before people give a crap.

So even though the Sony PS3 will look better than the Xbox 2 graphically. Everyone in america will own a Xbox 2 because they'll not only release it at Xmas...but because the Xbox is now a household name.

Sony threw MS a bone, and MS is gonna go all the way with it.

Also, theres a very good chance that the nintendo revelution may never actually make it to the states. Nintendo hasnt turned real profit in years, and americans have lost faith in the plumber and the elfin kid and his search to save the princess and become a man.

If that happens, MS will bring Nintendo's games to the states. On the new Xbox 2.

Nintendo would NEVER sell out to Sony.

Sega may become a Sony only company as Sony is bigger in Japan as well as Sega games are bigger in Japan. I mean, think how badass VF4 would of been on the Xbox....but Sony bought the exclusive rights.

Basically, this is where its going.

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MS Xbox 2 reaches top sales.

Sony's PS3 is a very close second, until all the licenses jump ship to the Xbox in the last year of the life cycle of the Xbox.
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Nintendo produces games for Xbox exclusively.....OR! They may merge with Namco. A Namco, Sega, Sammy and Nintendo merge could also be a possibility. :hot:

EA creates it's own console in 2009. (Remember, EA likes to do everything It's way. - IE: No Xbox live until EA got what they wanted, Sega Genesis Cartridges looked different, EA buying every game designing company.)

EA will be the next big contender. Trust me.
 
It's just a matter of time. Who it will be is anybody's guess, but Sony can and will eventually lose the top spot. If you've earned it or not, arrogance is a stronger enemy than any competitor.
 
It will never happen, but I'd love for someone to take over sega, when I say someone, I mean someone who can put together a kick ass system and promote it better! I'd love for Sega to make some people eat crow, no I'm not a fanboy, but I'm sad to have seen sega go down the the way it did, due to possibly ceo's not knowing what they were doing. I love my genesis and still play it sometimes, my favorite game was is kid chameleon. As for sega's handheld system called game gear, it was a nice little system to, with a backlight to boot. What I don't understand is why nintendo said that when the SP came out, nintendo claimed the technology wasn't there for a backlight, that's why the first gba didn't have one! Even though Sega came out with game gear a decade + before SP or even the first GBA. Does this sound like I'm a fanboy of Sega's, truthfully? I don't think I lean any certain way towards any company, I think there respective systems all have advantages/disadvantages, good games and bad. As for nintendo, it seems they keep shooting themselves in the foot, point one N64 should have used some type of disc for games. Point two, they should have never let RARE get away from them. My last point, all though I see the DS as possibly overdoing psp, why did they build a less portable gaming machine, along the lines of a portable N64? My last question what does Nintendo stand for, if anything? It almost sounds like 9 - 10 and the do part could be eleven in Japanese, just wondering!?
 
[quote name='wolfchild']As for nintendo, it seems they keep shooting themselves in the foot, point one N64 should have used some type of disc for games. Point two, they should have never let RARE get away from them. My last point, all though I see the DS as possibly overdoing psp, why did they build a less portable gaming machine, along the lines of a portable N64? My last question what does Nintendo stand for, if anything? It almost sounds like 9 - 10 and the do part could be eleven in Japanese, just wondering!?[/QUOTE]

Never let RARE get away? RARE was good for a couple games, but by and large their best days were long behind them when they left. How is the DS a less portable gaming machine exactly? It's built for games and it's already getting a ton of attention from quite a few big developers. Lastly, Nintendo basically translates as "leave luck to heaven"...
 
What is this I hear of about an nintendo gba sp 2? Is it rumor, or is there solid evidence of this system in development? I do remember nintendo saying that the DS was not a replacement for the gba, but a different type of system for different purposes. But nintendo is always saying that there previous system won't be replaced but somehow it keeps happening. Yes, I understand why! So that people who might be thinking of getting a SP still will, because they may think nintendo will still produce games for it.
 
Well what is your view on the backlight for game gear - gba - sp, Issue? As far as meaning a less powerful system look at PSP versus DS graphics capability. That's cool about nintendo meaning "leave luck to heaven" if that's in fact what it means.
 
Of course they will eventually lose the top. No company, at least in a market that is still competitive like this, remains on top forever.

Will they lose it this generation? Probably not. Will they give up a lot of market share to the Xbox? I'm sure of it.

And wolfchild, you are an idiot.
 
Mooky,

"Also, theres a very good chance that the nintendo revelution may never actually make it to the states. Nintendo hasnt turned real profit in years, and americans have lost faith in the plumber and the elfin kid and his search to save the princess and become a man."

This is just plain flame bait. Its obviously wrong and the Revolution will make it to the states I have no idea where you got that info. Nintendo has made a profit once in its 100+ years has it ever not turned a profit and that was partly due to the American dollar and exchange rates in 2003.

Now personally I have a feeling Sony is losing and quick. besides the amount of mediocre games they allow. They also rely a lot on hype. Which lately hasnt been working for them. Look at say Killzone or even the PSP launch.

On top of their lawsuits, flawed hardware, arrogance when it comes to their new systems, development problems with the PS3 etc. I think the next 5 years we will have a new leader.

I think its going to be Microsoft. They have a good amount of momentum currently, They have signed a lot of powerhouse designers from Japan. They have the whole christmans season to sell their next box. They are not concentrating on 2-3 systems.

I think Nintendo will be second OR it will not have no where near the gap it had this generation. Even if Sony out does it this next time around I do believe it will get noticed with its technology and that will benefit them as a company.

We will see.
 
In Japanese, "Nintendo" means "we do all that we can, as
best we can, and await the results." In other words it is a
commitment to excellence.
 
In Japanese, "Nintendo" means "we do all that we can, as
best we can, and await the results." In other words it is a
commitment to excellence.
 
Obviously, one day, Sony won't be on top. It's happened twice before in the last 20 years, so to think it won't is just being fanboyish.

Atari fell in the crash. Nintendo, I don't think, really cared about being number 1. They wanted to make profits on their terms. They are still doing that, and they are happy to do their own thing, and if they are second or third, it's fine for them.

Though Sony will fall, I don't see it happening anytime soon. Sony still dominates the market. I don't think the average gamer cares if crap games are released, they only care about the number of good games. The PS2 has tons of good-great games. Sure, they have a bunch of crap, but who cares, you aren't going to intentionally pick crap, and most gamers don't pick their games at random. They buy something because they enjoyed the game before in the series, or they liked the advertising/reviews/or something.

Also, release order of a console is a terrible predictor as to which consoles will win. PS1 did better than Saturn or the N64. Snes beat the Genesis. PS2 beat Dreamcast, Gube, and Xbox. What ends up happening is, when the eventual dominate system is released, that's when the generation started. If the Dreamcast was the dominate system, it would be part of this generation. When the new generation starts is written well after the fact (we aren't going to know for sure when this next generation is going to start until a few years after all the systems are released).
 
I agree with a lot that is being said.

EA scares the crap out of me. I really don't want them to control any type of dominate gaming system. I bought an Xbox because my friends were having problems with their PS2s and I got sold on the Hard Drive/ Live capabilities. GameCube in my opinion was just to hooky. If Nintendo wants to get a bigger market share (that is if they want..I've read they've wanted about 30 percent of the market) They too need to stop rehashing old gaming ideas, I can't say that i'm excited for yet another Metroid or yet another Zelda, they are becoming like the comic book industry where there has been no new dominate books since the 60s (i know there are exceptions but none like the popularity of the Xmen or Spiderman) Stop rehashing mario, did we really need to have all the NES SMB re-released on GBA? no. they could have just re-released "all stars" and saved everyone a lot of headache. If they are promoting new ways to play video games I'm all for it. I want to be able to be immersed in a complete gaming enviroment. But I don't see that happening with this upcoming generation, possibly the next.

The Dreamcast only lost out because it didn't include DVD capabilities. Its a great machine and would have amazing games by now if it included the DVD capabilities. That was a huge Error. The price point was nice too (it would have been a better choice if the PS2 didn't stomp it in sales its first day of launch.)

Xbox 2 will have a lot of early adaptors. But its price has got to be right. (i'm looking for backward compatablity a HD add on for roughly a PSP so 250 ish)_that will sell american gamers and having great games. who in america does not like halo? at least if you don't like it you can at least give it credit for defining all that is good with FPS (well mostly)

it'll be interesting.. I don't think there will ever be "clear winners" anymore.. the gamers out today like having mulitiple systems and its completely fine like that.. expect a 20 30 50 market with i expect MS to be on top and sony second.

Rob
 
[quote name='Tromack']Of course they will eventually lose the top. No company, at least in a market that is still competitive like this, remains on top forever.

Will they lose it this generation? Probably not. Will they give up a lot of market share to the Xbox? I'm sure of it.

And wolfchild, you are an idiot.[/QUOTE]


I could stoop to your level and call you a dirty dick sucking pub eater SOB, who has a whore for a mother, but I will not!! $F-U-Ck@ HEAD!!!!!!!!! Go ahead ban me for standing up for myself, not being fair to people seems to work really good around here!!!!!


Why would you be such an idiot, to call me an idiot in the first place, you should grow up and take a dick in your open willing mouth and ass cunt boy/girl or combination of the two, I'm sure you don't even know? SPERM EATER
 
[quote name='wolfchild'][quote name='Tromack']Of course they will eventually lose the top. No company, at least in a market that is still competitive like this, remains on top forever.

Will they lose it this generation? Probably not. Will they give up a lot of market share to the Xbox? I'm sure of it.

And wolfchild, you are an idiot.[/QUOTE


I could stoop to your level and call you a dirty dick sucking pub eater SOB, who has a whore for a mother, but I will not!! $F-U-Ck@ HEAD!!!!!!!!! Go ahead ban me for standing up for myself, not being fair to people seems to work really good around here!!!!!


Why would you be such an idiot, to call me an idiot in the first place, you should grow up and take a dick in your open willing mouth and ass cunt boy/girl or combination of the two, I'm sure you don't even know? SPERM EATER[/QUOTE]


:rofl:
 
[quote name='The Successful Dropout'][quote name='wolfchild']


:rofl:[/QUOTE]



I thought that was funny too, thanks for thinking so, don't deny it you thought it was funny, you just may not want other posters to know, I'm right!!!!!!!!!
 
Atari fell to Nintendo.
Nintendo matched with Sega.
Sega fell to Sony.
Nintendo fell to Sony.

Nintendo is currently working it's way back up. Microsoft looks promising. Sony is constantly fumbling nowadays. It'll only be a matter of time before they're dethroned. Tough call on who will do it though.
 
[quote name='wolfchild'][quote name='Tromack']Of course they will eventually lose the top. No company, at least in a market that is still competitive like this, remains on top forever.

Will they lose it this generation? Probably not. Will they give up a lot of market share to the Xbox? I'm sure of it.

And wolfchild, you are an idiot.[/QUOTE


I could stoop to your level and call you a dirty dick sucking pub eater SOB, who has a whore for a mother, but I will not!! $F-U-Ck@ HEAD!!!!!!!!! Go ahead ban me for standing up for myself, not being fair to people seems to work really good around here!!!!!


Why would you be such an idiot, to call me an idiot in the first place, you should grow up and take a dick in your open willing mouth and ass cunt boy/girl or combination of the two, I'm sure you don't even know? SPERM EATER[/QUOTE]

Someone isn't getting his Riddlin!

I thought you were an idiot too. I just didn't say it.

1) Your conclusions were simpler than those that could be drawn by a five year old.

2) Your posts were abrupt without any support of your thesis.

3) Your mastery of the English language borders on mutilation.

4) You responded with a dramatic personal attack at the very notion of being marginalized, demonstrating a utter lack of self-esteem.

Normally I am not a fan of personality problems being medicated, but whatever it takes to help you, I am in favor of.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']I think Sony is trying to once again sucker punch the market by releasing late.

They do it everytime...

Saturn 1st - PS1 2nd

Dreamcast 1st - PS2 2nd

Nintendo DS 1st
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- PSP 2nd
iconpsp_r2.gif


Xbox 2 1st - PS3 2nd.

The only problem with this is that the market's tech is leveling out. This isnt a leap from 2d to 3d....theres not increased immersion. Nothing new here to report.

This is what will bite Sony in the ass.

Sony will release the PS3 with the Blue Ray Technology and take the helm as the next Sega. Meaning, they'll release something in a wierd new format no one cares about. Also, like sega...they'll move in the industry just a little too fast.

You gotta move slow in the gaming industry. Move to the next levels too fast, and you become Sega. Before its time, before people give a crap.

So even though the Sony PS3 will look better than the Xbox 2 graphically. Everyone in america will own a Xbox 2 because they'll not only release it at Xmas...but because the Xbox is now a household name.

Sony threw MS a bone, and MS is gonna go all the way with it.

Also, theres a very good chance that the nintendo revelution may never actually make it to the states. Nintendo hasnt turned real profit in years, and americans have lost faith in the plumber and the elfin kid and his search to save the princess and become a man.

If that happens, MS will bring Nintendo's games to the states. On the new Xbox 2.

Nintendo would NEVER sell out to Sony.

Sega may become a Sony only company as Sony is bigger in Japan as well as Sega games are bigger in Japan. I mean, think how badass VF4 would of been on the Xbox....but Sony bought the exclusive rights.

Basically, this is where its going.

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MS Xbox 2 reaches top sales.

Sony's PS3 is a very close second, until all the licenses jump ship to the Xbox in the last year of the life cycle of the Xbox.
icondead.gif


Nintendo produces games for Xbox exclusively.....OR! They may merge with Namco. A Namco, Sega, Sammy and Nintendo merge could also be a possibility. :hot:

EA creates it's own console in 2009. (Remember, EA likes to do everything It's way. - IE: No Xbox live until EA got what they wanted, Sega Genesis Cartridges looked different, EA buying every game designing company.)

EA will be the next big contender. Trust me.[/QUOTE]

That is one of the dumbest set of predictions I've ever heard.
 
[quote name='fanskad'][quote name='wolfchild']

Someone isn't getting his Riddlin!

I thought you were an idiot too. I just didn't say it.

1) Your conclusions were simpler than those that could be drawn by a five year old.

2) Your posts were abrupt without any support of your thesis.

3) Your mastery of the English language borders on mutilation.

4) You responded with a dramatic personal attack at the very notion of being marginalized, demonstrating a utter lack of self-esteem.

Normally I am not a fan of personality problems being medicated, but whatever it takes to help you, I am in favor of.[/QUOTE]

:rofl:
I'm quoting you on that. :applause:
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']I think Sony is trying to once again sucker punch the market by releasing late.

They do it everytime...

Saturn 1st - PS1 2nd

Dreamcast 1st - PS2 2nd

Nintendo DS 1st
iconds.gif
- PSP 2nd
iconpsp_r2.gif


Xbox 2 1st - PS3 2nd.

The only problem with this is that the market's tech is leveling out. This isnt a leap from 2d to 3d....theres not increased immersion. Nothing new here to report.

This is what will bite Sony in the ass.

Sony will release the PS3 with the Blue Ray Technology and take the helm as the next Sega. Meaning, they'll release something in a wierd new format no one cares about. Also, like sega...they'll move in the industry just a little too fast.

You gotta move slow in the gaming industry. Move to the next levels too fast, and you become Sega. Before its time, before people give a crap.

So even though the Sony PS3 will look better than the Xbox 2 graphically. Everyone in america will own a Xbox 2 because they'll not only release it at Xmas...but because the Xbox is now a household name.

Sony threw MS a bone, and MS is gonna go all the way with it.

Also, theres a very good chance that the nintendo revelution may never actually make it to the states. Nintendo hasnt turned real profit in years, and americans have lost faith in the plumber and the elfin kid and his search to save the princess and become a man.

If that happens, MS will bring Nintendo's games to the states. On the new Xbox 2.

Nintendo would NEVER sell out to Sony.

Sega may become a Sony only company as Sony is bigger in Japan as well as Sega games are bigger in Japan. I mean, think how badass VF4 would of been on the Xbox....but Sony bought the exclusive rights.

Basically, this is where its going.

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MS Xbox 2 reaches top sales.

Sony's PS3 is a very close second, until all the licenses jump ship to the Xbox in the last year of the life cycle of the Xbox.
icondead.gif


Nintendo produces games for Xbox exclusively.....OR! They may merge with Namco. A Namco, Sega, Sammy and Nintendo merge could also be a possibility. :hot:

EA creates it's own console in 2009. (Remember, EA likes to do everything It's way. - IE: No Xbox live until EA got what they wanted, Sega Genesis Cartridges looked different, EA buying every game designing company.)

EA will be the next big contender. Trust me.[/QUOTE]


what do mean a format no one cares about? the DVD industry can not even make up it's mind! to go with blueray or hd-dvd.Now if sony can play their cards right they can help make a decision in that process, I would think that the ps3 would be alot of peoples 1st blue ray dvd player. That will help the dvd industry, and I think be a big help for sony, But I think nintendo, and MS have a better chance, but only if sony does not tighten up their shoestrings. nintendo I think could regain, thy need MORE third parties, NO weird formats, don't move so fast IE gba , gba sp,ds,next gb. But alot of people grew up with nintendo, and they NEED to put a better mix of games(same for MS) some for kids,family, adults .That's what sony does best and that's the main reason they are on top.for now......
 
I also agree game compaines, need less game put out and to take more time on them, we would get less games overall, BUT here's the kicker....there would be more GREAT GAMES! More time to play them, because we wouldn't feel pressured to get the newest , latest games/update. Could you imagine how awesome some games could have been if they had more time. I also aree that there need to be less game compaines, WAY to much saturation.
 
EA, like many of the most successful companies, is using anti-competitive practices to gain a monopoly in the game market. However, the big money is in consoles, and they know it. It's unlikely they'll release one this coming generation, but rest assured, they will have one the following one. I would not be surprised if they are already in the preliminary stages of releasing a console right now. Unless MS gets a lot of adopters, the PS3 will destroy the XBOX 2 / Next / whatever they call it, if for no other reason than Playstation still carries a lot of weight in the gaming world. Look how well the PS2 sold at launch, despite having mediocre games until Gran Turismo 3 and MGS2 hit, a few months shy of a year after launch. Also, the dominant system gets the games, so, since the PS3 will be the most powerful, their games will be the best, and XBox 2 will probably get crappy, watered down versions, if the developers even bother at all, so Sony is safe, for now. But when EA uses its resources generated from being the only football maker for this generation, among other things, and secures exclusive rights to all the big franchises (remember Sony's lock on the GTA franchise? Imagine what a console with sole NFL rights could do!) , it's clear who will be the next powerhouse.
 
Keep in mind that the Xbox has gained a lot of ground in the US, but they are still way behind in Japan. Sony is still very dominant when you include Japan and Asia in the standings, and Nintendo might even move up to second overall.

Regardless of what happens, it should be interesting.
 
[quote name='rebenns']EA, like many of the most successful companies, is using anti-competitive practices to gain a monopoly in the game market. However, the big money is in consoles, and they know it. It's unlikely they'll release one this coming generation, but rest assured, they will have one the following one. I would not be surprised if they are already in the preliminary stages of releasing a console right now. Unless MS gets a lot of adopters, the PS3 will destroy the XBOX 2 / Next / whatever they call it, if for no other reason than Playstation still carries a lot of weight in the gaming world. Look how well the PS2 sold at launch, despite having mediocre games until Gran Turismo 3 and MGS2 hit, a few months shy of a year after launch. Also, the dominant system gets the games, so, since the PS3 will be the most powerful, their games will be the best, and XBox 2 will probably get crappy, watered down versions, if the developers even bother at all, so Sony is safe, for now. But when EA uses its resources generated from being the only football maker for this generation, among other things, and secures exclusive rights to all the big franchises (remember Sony's lock on the GTA franchise? Imagine what a console with sole NFL rights could do!) , it's clear who will be the next powerhouse.[/QUOTE]

Actually... I wouldnt mind EA making a console that had exclusive rights to sports games... That way, when some says they're a gamer, but owns EA's console, I'll know they aren't a gamer at all, and just a really lazy digital jock.

I hate talking to people that say they're gamers but only play sports games. "What games do you play? Disgaea? Metal Gear? Those sound like games for fags. Play a real game like Madden 2005"
 
I think if Sony keeps up what they are doing it is their market until they mess up. Sony has proven that they can make a lot of common sense decisions(backward compatiblity, keeping almost the same controller) and they really haven't given people a reason to leave their system. Nintendo lost its top spot with its stubborness to go to disc format with the N64 and in a smaller way by its stubborness to make more modern type game. This generation the N dropped further bacfk by not using a DVD drive. Nintendo brought it on themselves with being stubborn and trying to go against the grain, I don't see Sony pulling something like that since they seem to go with the flow. I do think the MS vs. Sony battle will be a good one next generation but I think Sony has it's name etched into the public conscience better.
 
[quote name='fanskad'][quote name='wolfchild']

Someone isn't getting his Riddlin!

I thought you were an idiot too. I just didn't say it.

1) Your conclusions were simpler than those that could be drawn by a five year old.

2) Your posts were abrupt without any support of your thesis.

3) Your mastery of the English language borders on mutilation.

4) You responded with a dramatic personal attack at the very notion of being marginalized, demonstrating a utter lack of self-esteem.

Normally I am not a fan of personality problems being medicated, but whatever it takes to help you, I am in favor of.[/QUOTE]

This is an internet message board, not a college level English course.

And what somepeople fail to realize, is that sometimes simple cinclusions are the best conclusions. A child is brutally honest, right?

Sure, I couldn't understand it either. But, you have no right to call the guy names, just ask for a simple restructuring :). If you want ot name call you take that shit to gamefaqs and away from here (same to wolfchild and whoever else started this shit by calling wolf an idiot with no reasoning).

ANYWAY, back on topic.

I don't think there is any way Sony comes down from the top, unless someone takes their place in Japan. And rightnow Microsoft is nowhere near them in Japan, Nintendo is still a contender in my eyes though.
 
[quote name='wolfchild']I could stoop to your level and call you a dirty dick sucking pub eater SOB, who has a whore for a mother, but I will not!! $F-U-Ck@ HEAD!!!!!!!!! Go ahead ban me for standing up for myself, not being fair to people seems to work really good around here!!!!!


Why would you be such an idiot, to call me an idiot in the first place, you should grow up and take a dick in your open willing mouth and ass cunt boy/girl or combination of the two, I'm sure you don't even know? SPERM EATER[/QUOTE]


Wow. Just wow.
 
[quote name='SolidSnakeX99']Not only will Sony remain the powerhouse on the console market, but will probably take over the handheld if Nintendo does not do something good w/ the GBA SP 2.[/QUOTE]

i don't think sony will ever take the handheld market away form nintendo. they have like 80%+ of the handheld market. no way sony can take it, especially with the way things are going with the psp launch right now.
 
no one would have thought apple would come out of nowhere and take the portable music crown from sony's hands- with tech, predictions rival weather forecasts in terms of utility

I wouldnt be surprised if 5-15 years you have a strong chinese console maker, perhaps riding a wave of online gaming power. Certainly the market there has the potential to dwarf even the american market and certainly the japanese one.

There is always the possibility of a move towards one platform with different makers in an ibm-compatible sense (certainly sony would benefit)

And as for ea being a console maker, sure, maybe, i just dont see it being in their interests at all. they have a great position making games they can update on a yearly basis and supply to potentially 100% of all gamers. They make a console and they cut that target audience WAY down, it just does not make sense
 
[quote name='vherub']
There is always the possibility of a move towards one platform with different makers in an ibm-compatible sense (certainly sony would benefit)[/QUOTE]

I thought I don't see it impossible, its highly unprobable...

A lot of people like consoles because they are set in their specs. They don't have to worry about conflicting hardware or having enough power to play the games. If you get multiple vendors going on the same machine... it will just confuse everything beyond reason.
 
Interesting how a lot of people are crapping on sony and predicting microsoft to get the largest market share in the next console generation.

Why so hostile against sony? Yes, it has the least powerful hardware among the 3 current consoles, but it completely dominates market share. Xbox caught up somewhat in the US in the last year or two, but it's late in the life cycle, and sony still leads in the monthly videogame sales charts.

Sony has the videogame marketing thing down.
1. Attract large number of 3rd party publishers, and at the same time create large number of 1st party games. If you focus on quantity, quality will be found within.
2. Use market dominance to influence user base- Get PS2s in homes based on PS1 popularity, despite lackluster launch titles.
3. Once ginormous user base established, you win. There's so many things that go right with the dominant user base- you can release niche titles and gadgets (eyetoy, katamari damacy, strategy rpgs), release games at lower prices, ensure that most "exclusives" eventually land on your system (viewtiful joe, splinter cell).


It's all about user base. Observers argue about the actual number that establishes critical mass of users, but the fact that it exists somewhere is irrefutable. That's why Microsoft is launching the next xbox before Sony, and it's why Sega released the Saturn and Dreamcast when it did. It's risky, but it's a risk you have to take when you're not the market leader. When the next xbox is released, Sony will try its hardest to make sure that the market knows the PS3 is coming just down the line. Sony's job for that year between the releases of the next xbox and the PS3 is NOT to try to sell the public on the PS3, but to try to slow the sales of the next xbox.

If the PS3 is significantly more powerful than the next xbox, Sony might even increase its market share, depending on how long the next console generation lasts. Just as the Xbox slowly has been catching up to Sony in games/hardware sold monthly, superior hardware with marketing muscle can and should translate to increased market share eventually. Even if the next xbox can dominate for the first couple years, the PS3 will eventually trump it if its hardware is superior enough. Always happens.
 
At least on the American side, Microsoft is the only one I see that could take Sony down a peg.

They have the capital, the marketing, and for once the innovation (Xbox Live). Mulitplayer gaming through Xbox Live is really taking off and you know MS will build on that with their next console. Unless Nintendo realizes that online gaming isn't a fad, they may go the way of Sega in the next five years. Sony has put a more than legit threat to the Big N's portable stranglehold on the market. That doesn't mean the Big N wil sit idle while Sony takes valuable marketshare. This however is the most threat Nintendo has been under that I can remember.

Unless some newcomer comes out of the blue with a truly revolutionary advance along the lines of a freaking Holodeck, I don't see Sony losing power anytime soon.
 
I don't see anyone taking over Sony's top spot next time around. The PS3 will still be tops over the Xbox. Sony will be taken over eventually, just because of the fact that it's impossible to stay on top, but it won't happen for a while, IMO. But if sony has hardware issues next time around like it did this time, then it could happen with the generation after the next.
 
[quote name='wolfchild']I could stoop to your level and call you a dirty dick sucking pub eater SOB, who has a whore for a mother, but I will not!! $F-U-Ck@ HEAD!!!!!!!!! Go ahead ban me for standing up for myself, not being fair to people seems to work really good around here!!!!!


Why would you be such an idiot, to call me an idiot in the first place, you should grow up and take a dick in your open willing mouth and ass cunt boy/girl or combination of the two, I'm sure you don't even know? SPERM EATER[/QUOTE]

Are you high? I am dead serious when I ask you this. Where did all that come from? Are you so doped that you spew random offensive words and hope that they form an actual sentence? Mutilation indeed. Please do not take offense as I'm sure that everyone who throws the occaisional light vituperation around is a cunt boy/girl as well as several other words only found in the same paragraph on a pornographic website, but your posts were quite arbitrary and... well... pretty inane.
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Back on topic, however...

I'd like to say things are looking well for Xbox as well, but they've definately got to make a bigger appeal to Japan to become the powerhouse.

Oh, and BTW,

[quote name='mykevermin']It's time for Texas Instruments to bring it back hardcore.
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Well said.
 
[quote name='greendj27']Keep in mind that the Xbox has gained a lot of ground in the US, but they are still way behind in Japan. Sony is still very dominant when you include Japan and Asia in the standings, and Nintendo might even move up to second overall.

Regardless of what happens, it should be interesting.[/QUOTE]

In a word, no. Despite being nearly non-existent in Japan, the Xbox worldwide has a good lead on the GameCube. If anything, it illustrates how badly behind Nintendo is in the US and Europe that they remain behind a competitor that is largely locked out of one of the three major markets. If it weren't for the GBA Nintendo would have serious problems.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']
EA creates it's own console in 2009. (Remember, EA likes to do everything It's way. - IE: No Xbox live until EA got what they wanted, Sega Genesis Cartridges looked different, EA buying every game designing company.)

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Are you aware that EA's early Genesis game weren't in standard shells because they weren't licensed products? Sega and EA were in court over this for years before EA relented and joined the normal production process. This also included an unspecified payment to Sega to compensate for their unauthorized products.

EA has already been down the hardware path three times. Each time they decided it wasn't a good idea and stayed independent of any one platform.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']Atari fell to Nintendo.
Nintendo matched with Sega.
Sega fell to Sony.
Nintendo fell to Sony.

Nintendo is currently working it's way back up. Microsoft looks promising. Sony is constantly fumbling nowadays. It'll only be a matter of time before they're dethroned. Tough call on who will do it though.[/QUOTE]

Atari fell to itself. Nintendo wasn't a player in the console business then. At the time Atari collapsed the Famicom was just getting started in Japan and wouldn't be seen in the US for three years. Nintendo then was known solely as a arcade company who didn't even product their own home versions of their games. The rise of the NES caught so many by surprise because the console business was pretty much regarded as dead and gone.
 
[quote name='epobirs']Atari fell to itself. Nintendo wasn't a player in the console business then. At the time Atari collapsed the Famicom was just getting started in Japan and wouldn't be seen in the US for three years. Nintendo then was known solely as a arcade company who didn't even product their own home versions of their games. The rise of the NES caught so many by surprise because the console business was pretty much regarded as dead and gone.[/QUOTE]

So it's safe to say that Nintendo basically saved gaming via its production of the NES?
 
(I always thought Atari fell due to too much pot.)

My prediction: Sony looses power due to short battery life!

haha, I kid, I kid...;)

Seriously though, I think a few things it will come down to is:

A) Backwards compatibility
Okay, as of now no company has an advantage or a disadvantage on this one. Sure, you could say that the PS3 would have a larger game base, and if that included PS one games, even moreso, but people don't generally spend $300 on something used to play $3-$5 old games on. If one company were to say, "you can't play xbox/ps2/gc games on here, then they'd be in trouble.

B) Nessesity, is it *that* much better then the previous gen?
Nintendo is probably the weakest of the three houses here, only because people (Americans) Already think that it is made for kids and the graphics and power of it don't matter. It's safe to say games like RE4 changed a few minds though.

C) Price point
Nintendo makes it up by being the best suited company to release the most affordable game system. (look, you and I both know microsoft isn't going to price their newborn tech bundle of joy below Nintendo's, never gonna happen)

D) A Killer App.
Who knows. I suspect that somehow companies forgot how to do this. Luigi's Mansion was fun and all...but, not a killer app...and the first Mario game? Super mario sunshine? please, like twelve people bought that game and they all had GCs already. I wouldn't call Halo a killer app in the same way, since no one really knew how well it would take off. I'm not even sure if Sony can decide if they even have a 'mascot' series, which seems to work okay for them, but doesn't make for stunning line ups. (Including the DS and the PSP, the PSP's line up is more expansive and numerous and broad reaching but with no focus, the DS was close with Super Mario, but really neither has an 'across the board, system seller' game). The weight here goes to Xbox's successor, assuming (and they'd be crazy not to do this) that Halo 3 launches with it. Give me launches with RE5, Halo 3, and God of War II, however, and I'll just find a way to work 80 hours a week and go without food, lol.

umm...so who did i just say would win this?
A - even
B - M & S
C - N
D - depends on launch titles.

:lol:

oh well...a watched pot never boils, I'm going back to playing lego star wars! *lego smash!*

~
 
I'm hoping that Microsoft takes the seat as the king of consoles, but realistic speculation is impossible with us knowing so little of the next-gen consoles/market.
 
If Nintendo leaves the market or gets knocked out, then I too will leave the market. I don't like where Sony and Microsoft are going. I have zero interest in online gaming and having game dependent on servers and a fee steers me away.

I'll just start re-playing NES, SNES, N64, Playstation, Playstation 2, Gameboy, Gameboy Advance, and Gamecube games. Which is plenty of games to last me the rest of my life.


Chris
 
[quote name='urzishra14']I agree with a lot that is being said.

EA scares the crap out of me. I really don't want them to control any type of dominate gaming system. I bought an Xbox because my friends were having problems with their PS2s and I got sold on the Hard Drive/ Live capabilities. GameCube in my opinion was just to hooky. If Nintendo wants to get a bigger market share (that is if they want..I've read they've wanted about 30 percent of the market) They too need to stop rehashing old gaming ideas, I can't say that i'm excited for yet another Metroid or yet another Zelda, they are becoming like the comic book industry where there has been no new dominate books since the 60s (i know there are exceptions but none like the popularity of the Xmen or Spiderman) Stop rehashing mario, did we really need to have all the NES SMB re-released on GBA? no. they could have just re-released "all stars" and saved everyone a lot of headache. If they are promoting new ways to play video games I'm all for it. I want to be able to be immersed in a complete gaming enviroment. But I don't see that happening with this upcoming generation, possibly the next.

The Dreamcast only lost out because it didn't include DVD capabilities. Its a great machine and would have amazing games by now if it included the DVD capabilities. That was a huge Error. The price point was nice too (it would have been a better choice if the PS2 didn't stomp it in sales its first day of launch.)

Xbox 2 will have a lot of early adaptors. But its price has got to be right. (i'm looking for backward compatablity a HD add on for roughly a PSP so 250 ish)_that will sell american gamers and having great games. who in america does not like halo? at least if you don't like it you can at least give it credit for defining all that is good with FPS (well mostly)

it'll be interesting.. I don't think there will ever be "clear winners" anymore.. the gamers out today like having mulitiple systems and its completely fine like that.. expect a 20 30 50 market with i expect MS to be on top and sony second.

Rob[/QUOTE]

Although not the most reputable source, GP reported that DC sales actually surged because of a trouble ps2 launch. And also notes that they poorly marketed their games. (promoting things like sea man and chu chu rocket) instead of pushing games like Soul Calibur a little further. This was also combined with their "own" format on games (no dvd), and the pirating that insued.


Some other stuff.

The Saturn had several issues, hardware / early release date and some backlash from the 32x.

Snes was released after the genesis but did not kill the system. The gen / mega drive was highly sucessful.

The n64 being cart based caused limitations for storage and a high price point for games.

The GC, has another non standard format. (no dvd) which from my personal opinion I like, load times/easier to book. but for their success, i think it did more harm than good. Not much, but still some.

Ps1/ps2/psp. IMO the thing that really gets me about sony is what I have seen for reliable hardware. Ive had a lot of exp repairing and selling old Greystations and they definetely had a good bit of problems when compared to other consoles.

PS2 same thing. I know their are a xbox owners with dre issues, and many ps2 owners without any problems, But from what ive seen the ps2 is more common, and the video game stores around here will not take early model ps2's. I myself had a network bundled ps2 get dre's after 2 months.

PSP. Dead Pixels Fear is having me wait a little while for the system. And natural cag price drop/deals anticipation.

Also noted live/online play has proven to be seller current and probably future gamers.

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From looking at past console trends, i believe that for now the future can be anyone's game. Sony does not have enough power to hold #1 just on its name alone. If Sony is to retain #1 they will have to work for it. MS and nintendo are not too far under to have a shot. Whoever plays the game better will win ;).
 
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