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As the one farthest removed from the party establishment and the best record, I choose Palin.
If you could vote for one of the four, which one?
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[quote name='elprincipe']As the one farthest removed from the party establishment and the best record, I choose Palin.[/QUOTE]
Me too.
Me too.
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I would vote for all of them by assassinating three old ladies and taking their votes too.
Edit: Then assassinate an old guy and use his vote to vote for none of them!
Edit: Then assassinate an old guy and use his vote to vote for none of them!
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Should be no shocker to anyone I picked the last option.
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[quote name='distgfx']Sorry guys, voting McCain.[/QUOTE]
Well, you know, someone has to make certain the Iraq/Pakistan border gets protected.
Well, you know, someone has to make certain the Iraq/Pakistan border gets protected.
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Well Biden was my first pick originally, so I will stick with him.
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[quote name='distgfx']Sorry guys, voting McCain.[/quote]
At least you have the decency to apologize.
At least you have the decency to apologize.
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[quote name='distgfx']You have just busted my sarcasm detector.[/quote]
I was being sincere, Darth Cheney.
I was being sincere, Darth Cheney.
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[quote name='RedvsBlue']All 4 of them make me wish I lived in a different country.[/QUOTE]
You must not pay attention to other countries' politics.
You must not pay attention to other countries' politics.
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[quote name='speedracer']You must not pay attention to other countries' politics.[/QUOTE]
That's a good point. It's not like there is a better country, so I often daydream about living in no country.
I think I'll go watch some Lost...
That's a good point. It's not like there is a better country, so I often daydream about living in no country.
I think I'll go watch some Lost...
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[quote name='distgfx']Why you gotta hate on me? Can't we all just get along? Give me a hug.[/quote]
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[quote name='distgfx']Aww, weak, they ruined vader.[/quote]
I can't take credit, Cheney really kicked this off back in 2006
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/09/20/clinton-calls-cheney-darth-vader/
At this point I'm pretty sure Bush W could hold a press conference to announce he just found out he was Satan and 33% would still be supporting him.
PS I can't go with your assertion that they "ruined" Vader, but I think we can all agree that force choking is way cooler then drunkenly shooting your friend in the face with a shotgun blast
I can't take credit, Cheney really kicked this off back in 2006
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/09/20/clinton-calls-cheney-darth-vader/
At this point I'm pretty sure Bush W could hold a press conference to announce he just found out he was Satan and 33% would still be supporting him.
PS I can't go with your assertion that they "ruined" Vader, but I think we can all agree that force choking is way cooler then drunkenly shooting your friend in the face with a shotgun blast
[quote name='camoor']PS I can't go with your assertion that they "ruined" Vader, but I think we can all agree that force choking is way cooler then drunkenly shooting your friend in the face with a shotgun blast[/quote]
Force Choke > All
Not many people seem to like McCain around here. I guess I just don't understand the hate for him ... or the love for Obama for that matter. Oh well, I'm clearly outnumbered on CAG at least.
Force Choke > All
Not many people seem to like McCain around here. I guess I just don't understand the hate for him ... or the love for Obama for that matter. Oh well, I'm clearly outnumbered on CAG at least.
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It's more disappointment with McCain than hate.
Disappointment that he would vote against the Military Commissions Act, receive a "revised" version which changed none of the torture provisions, and then vote in favor of it.
Disappointment that he would vote against the Military Commissions Act, receive a "revised" version which changed none of the torture provisions, and then vote in favor of it.
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Not many people seem to like McCain around here. I guess I just don't understand the hate for him ... or the love for Obama for that matter. Oh well, I'm clearly outnumbered on CAG at least.[/quote]
You're on the internet. People here are generally more socially progressive than those who don't have access to other kinds of people. I think you'll find a fair number of people here who believe in fiscal conservatism, however the Republicans haven't exactly been sticking to their economic ideology.
Not many people seem to like McCain around here. I guess I just don't understand the hate for him ... or the love for Obama for that matter. Oh well, I'm clearly outnumbered on CAG at least.[/quote]
You're on the internet. People here are generally more socially progressive than those who don't have access to other kinds of people. I think you'll find a fair number of people here who believe in fiscal conservatism, however the Republicans haven't exactly been sticking to their economic ideology.
[quote name='mykevermin']It's more disappointment with McCain than hate.
Disappointment that he would vote against the Military Commissions Act, receive a "revised" version which changed none of the torture provisions, and then vote in favor of it.[/quote]
I'm glad I at least got a response that made a very good point. I was not expecting this. I'm not exactly a fan of McCain persay, I just prefer him more than the others. I don't considering him nor any of them losers either. So since I had to choose from that list, he was my choice. I just don't anyone to misinterpret my choice or get the wrong idea here.
Disappointment that he would vote against the Military Commissions Act, receive a "revised" version which changed none of the torture provisions, and then vote in favor of it.[/quote]
I'm glad I at least got a response that made a very good point. I was not expecting this. I'm not exactly a fan of McCain persay, I just prefer him more than the others. I don't considering him nor any of them losers either. So since I had to choose from that list, he was my choice. I just don't anyone to misinterpret my choice or get the wrong idea here.
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[quote name='elprincipe']As the one farthest removed from the party establishment and the best record, I choose Palin.[/QUOTE]
I think you need to do more research on her "record". I mean, runner up in Miss Alaska is pretty good presidential experience and all but there is some dirt there.
I think you need to do more research on her "record". I mean, runner up in Miss Alaska is pretty good presidential experience and all but there is some dirt there.
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[quote name='distgfx']I'm glad I at least got a response that made a very good point. I was not expecting this. I'm not exactly a fan of McCain persay, I just prefer him more than the others. I don't considering him nor any of them losers either. So since I had to choose from that list, he was my choice. I just don't anyone to misinterpret my choice or get the wrong idea here.[/QUOTE]
I used to say in 2004 (after Kerry lost) that, were Hillary Clinton and McCain the two candidates in 2008, it would show a substantial shift in the nation's cultural outlook that I would be happy with either candidate winning (though preferring Clinton at the time).
That said, the John McCain running in 2008 has adopted much of the GOP's platform that wasn't a part of his identity in 2004. I still think the whole "maverick" thing is a bunch of shenanigans and more marketing/branding (he's more "Goose" to me), but he still had some views which pasted him as a very moderate Republican. Not someone you would worry about overturning Roe v. Wade, or someone who would grow the federal budget/debt the way Republicans have since Reagan, or someone who would permit torture/warrantless wiretapping/etc. I'm not frightened of Republican ideology (I've maintained that, were inequality to disappear in race/gender/etc., that a Republican ideology is best for promoting a true meritocracy - once everyone is given the opportunity to win the race equally, that is), but the vocal minority on the far right which has driven politicians to reach to the fringes in hopes of motivating enough of their die-hards to help garner a meager 51% of the vote is frightening.
And that goes for both groups. That said, I don't consider "far-left" ideology as frightening.
I used to say in 2004 (after Kerry lost) that, were Hillary Clinton and McCain the two candidates in 2008, it would show a substantial shift in the nation's cultural outlook that I would be happy with either candidate winning (though preferring Clinton at the time).
That said, the John McCain running in 2008 has adopted much of the GOP's platform that wasn't a part of his identity in 2004. I still think the whole "maverick" thing is a bunch of shenanigans and more marketing/branding (he's more "Goose" to me
), but he still had some views which pasted him as a very moderate Republican. Not someone you would worry about overturning Roe v. Wade, or someone who would grow the federal budget/debt the way Republicans have since Reagan, or someone who would permit torture/warrantless wiretapping/etc. I'm not frightened of Republican ideology (I've maintained that, were inequality to disappear in race/gender/etc., that a Republican ideology is best for promoting a true meritocracy - once everyone is given the opportunity to win the race equally, that is), but the vocal minority on the far right which has driven politicians to reach to the fringes in hopes of motivating enough of their die-hards to help garner a meager 51% of the vote is frightening. And that goes for both groups. That said, I don't consider "far-left" ideology as frightening.
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[quote name='Magehart']3 now. Why must they be joke votes? She's a fighter and sticks to what she believes in.
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Because she believes in is terrible.
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Because she believes in is terrible.
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[quote name='mykevermin']I used to say in 2004 (after Kerry lost) that, were Hillary Clinton and McCain the two candidates in 2008, it would show a substantial shift in the nation's cultural outlook that I would be happy with either candidate winning (though preferring Clinton at the time).
That said, the John McCain running in 2008 has adopted much of the GOP's platform that wasn't a part of his identity in 2004. I still think the whole "maverick" thing is a bunch of shenanigans and more marketing/branding (he's more "Goose" to me), but he still had some views which pasted him as a very moderate Republican. Not someone you would worry about overturning Roe v. Wade, or someone who would grow the federal budget/debt the way Republicans have since Reagan, or someone who would permit torture/warrantless wiretapping/etc. I'm not frightened of Republican ideology (I've maintained that, were inequality to disappear in race/gender/etc., that a Republican ideology is best for promoting a true meritocracy - once everyone is given the opportunity to win the race equally, that is), but the vocal minority on the far right which has driven politicians to reach to the fringes in hopes of motivating enough of their die-hards to help garner a meager 51% of the vote is frightening.
And that goes for both groups. That said, I don't consider "far-left" ideology as frightening.[/quote]
I'm not saying I would ever vote republican, but McCain used to have decent things to say when he was on the talk shows, now it doesn't seem like he's capable of complex thought anymore... just a series of talking points that don't even address the question half the time. As far as Palin, anyone who thinks creationism should be taught in schools should be as far away from power as possible in my mind.
That said, the John McCain running in 2008 has adopted much of the GOP's platform that wasn't a part of his identity in 2004. I still think the whole "maverick" thing is a bunch of shenanigans and more marketing/branding (he's more "Goose" to me
), but he still had some views which pasted him as a very moderate Republican. Not someone you would worry about overturning Roe v. Wade, or someone who would grow the federal budget/debt the way Republicans have since Reagan, or someone who would permit torture/warrantless wiretapping/etc. I'm not frightened of Republican ideology (I've maintained that, were inequality to disappear in race/gender/etc., that a Republican ideology is best for promoting a true meritocracy - once everyone is given the opportunity to win the race equally, that is), but the vocal minority on the far right which has driven politicians to reach to the fringes in hopes of motivating enough of their die-hards to help garner a meager 51% of the vote is frightening. And that goes for both groups. That said, I don't consider "far-left" ideology as frightening.[/quote]
I'm not saying I would ever vote republican, but McCain used to have decent things to say when he was on the talk shows, now it doesn't seem like he's capable of complex thought anymore... just a series of talking points that don't even address the question half the time. As far as Palin, anyone who thinks creationism should be taught in schools should be as far away from power as possible in my mind.
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McCain. But what does it matter what I think? I'm Canadian and I'm not old enough to vote. But thats only because my family is Conservative/Republican.
Serious question: I'm going through both the Nominees websites and I agree with both in different areas. Is there any site or news source that ACTUALLY gives UNBIASED information on what both bring to the table. No "MCCAIN IS A 3RD TERM OF BUSH" or "BARACK OBAMA WILL BLOW UP DA US" bullshit.
Serious question: I'm going through both the Nominees websites and I agree with both in different areas. Is there any site or news source that ACTUALLY gives UNBIASED information on what both bring to the table. No "MCCAIN IS A 3RD TERM OF BUSH" or "BARACK OBAMA WILL BLOW UP DA US" bullshit.
[quote name='mykevermin']I used to say in 2004 (after Kerry lost) that, were Hillary Clinton and McCain the two candidates in 2008, it would show a substantial shift in the nation's cultural outlook that I would be happy with either candidate winning (though preferring Clinton at the time).
That said, the John McCain running in 2008 has adopted much of the GOP's platform that wasn't a part of his identity in 2004. I still think the whole "maverick" thing is a bunch of shenanigans and more marketing/branding (he's more "Goose" to me), but he still had some views which pasted him as a very moderate Republican. Not someone you would worry about overturning Roe v. Wade, or someone who would grow the federal budget/debt the way Republicans have since Reagan, or someone who would permit torture/warrantless wiretapping/etc. I'm not frightened of Republican ideology (I've maintained that, were inequality to disappear in race/gender/etc., that a Republican ideology is best for promoting a true meritocracy - once everyone is given the opportunity to win the race equally, that is), but the vocal minority on the far right which has driven politicians to reach to the fringes in hopes of motivating enough of their die-hards to help garner a meager 51% of the vote is frightening.
And that goes for both groups. That said, I don't consider "far-left" ideology as frightening.[/quote]
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I'm not saying I would ever vote republican, but McCain used to have decent things to say when he was on the talk shows, now it doesn't seem like he's capable of complex thought anymore... just a series of talking points that don't even address the question half the time. As far as Palin, anyone who thinks creationism should be taught in schools should be as far away from power as possible in my mind.[/quote]
These two posts are by far the most informative posts I have ever seen. I know what you mean by McCain's stances on issues. He seemed pretty firm at first, but now it seems to be about nothing but getting republicans on his side. I liked the fact he wasn't as far right as most republicans, but now, I just don't know.
[quote name='Azumangaman']McCain. But what does it matter what I think? I'm Canadian and I'm not old enough to vote. But thats only because my family is Conservative/Republican.
Serious question: I'm going through both the Nominees websites and I agree with both in different areas. Is there any site or news source that ACTUALLY gives UNBIASED information on what both bring to the table. No "MCCAIN IS A 3RD TERM OF BUSH" or "BARACK OBAMA WILL BLOW UP DA US" bullshit.[/quote]
An unbiased news source? Good luck with that one.
That said, the John McCain running in 2008 has adopted much of the GOP's platform that wasn't a part of his identity in 2004. I still think the whole "maverick" thing is a bunch of shenanigans and more marketing/branding (he's more "Goose" to me
), but he still had some views which pasted him as a very moderate Republican. Not someone you would worry about overturning Roe v. Wade, or someone who would grow the federal budget/debt the way Republicans have since Reagan, or someone who would permit torture/warrantless wiretapping/etc. I'm not frightened of Republican ideology (I've maintained that, were inequality to disappear in race/gender/etc., that a Republican ideology is best for promoting a true meritocracy - once everyone is given the opportunity to win the race equally, that is), but the vocal minority on the far right which has driven politicians to reach to the fringes in hopes of motivating enough of their die-hards to help garner a meager 51% of the vote is frightening. And that goes for both groups. That said, I don't consider "far-left" ideology as frightening.[/quote]
[quote name='happy']
I'm not saying I would ever vote republican, but McCain used to have decent things to say when he was on the talk shows, now it doesn't seem like he's capable of complex thought anymore... just a series of talking points that don't even address the question half the time. As far as Palin, anyone who thinks creationism should be taught in schools should be as far away from power as possible in my mind.[/quote]
These two posts are by far the most informative posts I have ever seen. I know what you mean by McCain's stances on issues. He seemed pretty firm at first, but now it seems to be about nothing but getting republicans on his side. I liked the fact he wasn't as far right as most republicans, but now, I just don't know.
[quote name='Azumangaman']McCain. But what does it matter what I think? I'm Canadian and I'm not old enough to vote. But thats only because my family is Conservative/Republican.
Serious question: I'm going through both the Nominees websites and I agree with both in different areas. Is there any site or news source that ACTUALLY gives UNBIASED information on what both bring to the table. No "MCCAIN IS A 3RD TERM OF BUSH" or "BARACK OBAMA WILL BLOW UP DA US" bullshit.[/quote]
An unbiased news source? Good luck with that one.
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An unbiased news source? Good luck with that one.[/quote]
Figured. But is there anything I can look at the clearly states What Obama wants to do with whatever and then What McCain wants to do with it right next to it?
An unbiased news source? Good luck with that one.[/quote]
Figured. But is there anything I can look at the clearly states What Obama wants to do with whatever and then What McCain wants to do with it right next to it?
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Scour both of their websites and add a healthy dose of factcheck.org.
The latter site is useful, but only for calling politicians on their bs.
The latter site is useful, but only for calling politicians on their bs.
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Yeah, I've been going through both of their websites for a while. The thing is I can barely handle McCains, because, well, it sucks. Obamas is very clear and easy to read.
And man, FactCheck is really cool. I'll be reading it quite a bit up to November and beyond.
And man, FactCheck is really cool. I'll be reading it quite a bit up to November and beyond.
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[quote name='usickenme']I think you need to do more research on her "record". I mean, runner up in Miss Alaska is pretty good presidential experience and all but there is some dirt there.[/QUOTE]
That's right, I think being runner-up Miss Alaska is great experience. Good job, you got me.
That's right, I think being runner-up Miss Alaska is great experience. Good job, you got me.
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[quote name='Jesus_S_Preston']Because she believes in is terrible.[/QUOTE]
I think you left a word out there.
But anyway, you mean like aggressively fighting corruption, not being beholden to your party establishment, actually saying what you believe in, fighting pork-barrel spending, and actual fiscal conservatism (unlike the lip service on the issue practiced by Washington Republicans and Democrats alike)? Yeah, those things are terrible. Don't get me wrong, there is a large strike against her just from being a Republican (or a Democrat for that matter), but she's just about the best Republican that could have been selected. Too bad she isn't running for president and McCain VP, I might have even voted for them.
I think you left a word out there.
But anyway, you mean like aggressively fighting corruption, not being beholden to your party establishment, actually saying what you believe in, fighting pork-barrel spending, and actual fiscal conservatism (unlike the lip service on the issue practiced by Washington Republicans and Democrats alike)? Yeah, those things are terrible. Don't get me wrong, there is a large strike against her just from being a Republican (or a Democrat for that matter), but she's just about the best Republican that could have been selected. Too bad she isn't running for president and McCain VP, I might have even voted for them.
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[quote name='distgfx']I'm glad I at least got a response that made a very good point. I was not expecting this. I'm not exactly a fan of McCain persay, I just prefer him more than the others. I don't considering him nor any of them losers either. So since I had to choose from that list, he was my choice. I just don't anyone to misinterpret my choice or get the wrong idea here.[/quote]
Welcome welcome distgfx. While I may disagree with your choice, I am beginning to see that you have put some thought into it. I look forward to the presidential debates ahead - they surely look better then the last one (which was the reason behind the VS forum and the giant vomiting smiley)
Welcome welcome distgfx. While I may disagree with your choice, I am beginning to see that you have put some thought into it. I look forward to the presidential debates ahead - they surely look better then the last one (which was the reason behind the VS forum and the giant vomiting smiley)
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[quote name='elprincipe']I think you left a word out there.
But anyway, you mean like aggressively fighting corruption, not being beholden to your party establishment, actually saying what you believe in, fighting pork-barrel spending, and actual fiscal conservatism (unlike the lip service on the issue practiced by Washington Republicans and Democrats alike)? Yeah, those things are terrible. Don't get me wrong, there is a large strike against her just from being a Republican (or a Democrat for that matter), but she's just about the best Republican that could have been selected. Too bad she isn't running for president and McCain VP, I might have even voted for them.[/quote]
I think he meant that while she is technically a woman, she stands against every policy women are fighting for in the modern world.
Oh and ElP - this may be the one post I'm glad to see you make. A sincere thanks for not voting Republican, from me and all your other pro-choice friends!
But anyway, you mean like aggressively fighting corruption, not being beholden to your party establishment, actually saying what you believe in, fighting pork-barrel spending, and actual fiscal conservatism (unlike the lip service on the issue practiced by Washington Republicans and Democrats alike)? Yeah, those things are terrible. Don't get me wrong, there is a large strike against her just from being a Republican (or a Democrat for that matter), but she's just about the best Republican that could have been selected. Too bad she isn't running for president and McCain VP, I might have even voted for them.[/quote]
I think he meant that while she is technically a woman, she stands against every policy women are fighting for in the modern world.
Oh and ElP - this may be the one post I'm glad to see you make. A sincere thanks for not voting Republican, from me and all your other pro-choice friends!
[quote name='camoor']Welcome welcome distgfx. While I may disagree with your choice, I am beginning to see that you have put some thought into it. I look forward to the presidential debates ahead - they surely look better then the last one (which was the reason behind the VS forum and the giant vomiting smiley)[/quote]
Wow, thanks for the compliment.
[quote name='camoor']I think he meant that while she is technically a woman, she stands against every policy women are fighting for in the modern world.
Oh and ElP - this may be the one post I'm glad to see you make. A sincere thanks for not voting Republican, from me and all your other pro-choice friends![/quote]
Wasn't McCain pro-choice at one point? I believe he 'corrected' himself when it became more apparent that he was going to be the nominee. That was one of the things I liked about him too. He was a republican but didn't agree with republicans stance on some of the more 'controversial' issues. Now he has to make it all 'clear' and yet, I'm still voting for the guy.
Wow, thanks for the compliment.
[quote name='camoor']I think he meant that while she is technically a woman, she stands against every policy women are fighting for in the modern world.
Oh and ElP - this may be the one post I'm glad to see you make. A sincere thanks for not voting Republican, from me and all your other pro-choice friends![/quote]
Wasn't McCain pro-choice at one point? I believe he 'corrected' himself when it became more apparent that he was going to be the nominee. That was one of the things I liked about him too. He was a republican but didn't agree with republicans stance on some of the more 'controversial' issues. Now he has to make it all 'clear' and yet, I'm still voting for the guy.
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[quote name='distgfx']Wasn't McCain pro-choice at one point? I believe he 'corrected' himself when it became more apparent that he was going to be the nominee. That was one of the things I liked about him too. He was a republican but didn't agree with republicans stance on some of the more 'controversial' issues. Now he has to make it all 'clear' and yet, I'm still voting for the guy.[/quote]
Haha. I was watching a McCain speech the other day and he really did make me think twice about my vote. If I felt he would truly be fiscally conservative it would be a much tougher choice (especially so if he was pro-choice). But seeing as how - IMHO - he's already waffled on so much, I really can't trust that, so I'm going Obama all the way. Plus I just gotta admit - somthing about Obama just seems right
Haha. I was watching a McCain speech the other day and he really did make me think twice about my vote. If I felt he would truly be fiscally conservative it would be a much tougher choice (especially so if he was pro-choice). But seeing as how - IMHO - he's already waffled on so much, I really can't trust that, so I'm going Obama all the way. Plus I just gotta admit - somthing about Obama just seems right
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[quote name='camoor']Haha. I was watching a McCain speech the other day and he really did make me think twice about my vote. If I felt he would truly be fiscally conservative it would be a much tougher choice (especially so if he was pro-choice). But seeing as how - IMHO - he's already waffled on so much, I really can't trust that, so I'm going Obama all the way. Plus I just gotta admit - somthing about Obama just seems right[/QUOTE]
I'm jealous of you then. I've yet to understand what it is that "feels so right" about Obama for so many people. I have yet to catch the Obamamesiah feeling yet. Issues completely aside, when I watch Obama speak or be interviewed I am reminded of the feeling I get when I go to the store not intending to buy anything, but a salesman is so nice and able to get me so excited about something that I come home with a rather pricey item.... only hours later to start regretting it and realizing how good the salesman was at his job and realizing I didn't need the pricey item.
If that makes sense.
I agree with you and understand on what you say about McCain here. There is absolutely no reason to believe he'll be fiscally conservative. He is the most lackluster, ho-hum, uninteresting candidate I've seen in a long time.
Obama will win just because he doesn't bore people to death and has interesting things to say. I'm fully convinced that Obama could give a speech about how grape flavored Otter Pops will work as birth control and bathing in Dr. Pepper will stop global warming, and both Otter Pops and Dr. Pepper would become impossible to find in stores.
I'm jealous of you then. I've yet to understand what it is that "feels so right" about Obama for so many people. I have yet to catch the Obamamesiah feeling yet. Issues completely aside, when I watch Obama speak or be interviewed I am reminded of the feeling I get when I go to the store not intending to buy anything, but a salesman is so nice and able to get me so excited about something that I come home with a rather pricey item.... only hours later to start regretting it and realizing how good the salesman was at his job and realizing I didn't need the pricey item.
If that makes sense.
I agree with you and understand on what you say about McCain here. There is absolutely no reason to believe he'll be fiscally conservative. He is the most lackluster, ho-hum, uninteresting candidate I've seen in a long time.
Obama will win just because he doesn't bore people to death and has interesting things to say. I'm fully convinced that Obama could give a speech about how grape flavored Otter Pops will work as birth control and bathing in Dr. Pepper will stop global warming, and both Otter Pops and Dr. Pepper would become impossible to find in stores.
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[quote name='thrustbucket']Obama will win just because he doesn't bore people to death and has interesting things to say.[/QUOTE]
I do wish you'd stop trying to diminish how Obama has plans that are well thought-out and people are attracted to, instead of going for "people r stoopid and vote for Obama cuz he's ka-ris-ma-tik" claims. Moreover, whatever your political stripe, there's no denying that the attitude in this country is
ing sour towards the past 8 years of Republican abuses of power, lies, deceit, and inequality. That's not Obama's fault, and his charisma doesn't immediately mean people forget about that.
What if I said "McCain will win *just because* people are racist and Republicans are surgical practitioners when it comes to attack politics - so they've created this untrustable, potentially muslim, persona in Obama. The idiots will come out in droves to make sure we don't have a black person in the white house."?
Is that accurate to you?
I do wish you'd stop trying to diminish how Obama has plans that are well thought-out and people are attracted to, instead of going for "people r stoopid and vote for Obama cuz he's ka-ris-ma-tik" claims. Moreover, whatever your political stripe, there's no denying that the attitude in this country is
ing sour towards the past 8 years of Republican abuses of power, lies, deceit, and inequality. That's not Obama's fault, and his charisma doesn't immediately mean people forget about that.What if I said "McCain will win *just because* people are racist and Republicans are surgical practitioners when it comes to attack politics - so they've created this untrustable, potentially muslim, persona in Obama. The idiots will come out in droves to make sure we don't have a black person in the white house."?
Is that accurate to you?
bread's done