IGN Hates 360

[quote name='VanillaGorilla']My 360 still works fine. Aren't those morons at IGN the same people who found that if you move your 360 from horizontal to vertical while a disc is IN THE MACHINE, AND RUNNING, that you could damage it? These people get PAID to write about games, yet they are that stupid? They probably unplug their 360's and constantly move them around the office with them too.[/QUOTE]

Haha. I heard an employee at Circuit City giving that crap hwen trying to sell a warranty. Who the hell moves there system from Horizontal to Vertical when a DISC is inside spinning? WTF.
 
Can't say that I really understand the defense for Microsoft in this thread. It's obvious that the issues for this machine are widespread, and far beyond any acceptable failure rate even considering it being a brand new system. The hardware was rushed, without sufficent testing ahead of time, and we as the consumer get screwed.

I don't tollerate this from any company. If I pay $17,000 for a car, it had better work. If I pay $400 for a 360, it had better work. If I pay $130 for a DS it had better work. If I pay $10 for a pump to inflate my bicycle's tires, it had better work. Forgiving shoddy craftsmanship/QC/R&D/whatever is not only bad capitalism, it's just stupid. This is not limited to the realm of video games whatsoever. But, I guess if people want to waste their time and money buying things that break and then have to be replaced, that's their choice.

I hate the PC-mindset of release-it-early-and-patch-it-later. With the advent of online gaming I worried that such things would creep into console games (which they have). If we have to put up with this crap from hardware as well, I'm done. Microsoft better get their act together, and Nintendo and Sony better not botch things up like this.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Maybe because there hasn't been a Cube game released since RE4 that's been worth purchasing to me and my PS2 and Cube are covered in dust. That's a powerful statement to me which console is worth something to me and which is not.[/QUOTE]

Tell that to the 360 owners who have 360 games collecting dust because their 400 dollar machine doesn't work. That's a powerful statement to them which console is worth something to them and which isn't.
 
it is a little unfair to compare 360 to all the classic system. The archtecture is diff and now there are 10x, 100x more transistor packed inside the cpu/gpu? No point saying my blah blah blah 10 year old system still works so 360 must be a junk...
Although I think IGN is just trying to be funny about this issue. There are still many reviews in favor of 360. But if you paid 300, 400 bux for a "gaming" console, it better works and I wouldn't expect it to die in few months. Maybe some of these editors are just unlucky

I have a NES, super famicom, SNES, sega mega drive(genesis), two GAMEGEAR, PC-engine(turbe gfx in US) , sega saturn, playstation, ps2 (old style), gamecube, DS, and a 360. The ONLY system died on me was one of the GAMEGEARS. And i am not sure if it died during moving, because I simply didn't play that thing for YEARS then one day i tried to turn it on it doesn't work. I think taking great care of your systems do matter and I bet these editors just toss their 360s around in the office when they are bored.
 
[quote name='daroga']Can't say that I really understand the defense for Microsoft in this thread. It's obvious that the issues for this machine are widespread, and far beyond any acceptable failure rate even considering it being a brand new system. The hardware was rushed, without sufficent testing ahead of time, and we as the consumer get screwed.

I don't tollerate this from any company. If I pay $17,000 for a car, it had better work. If I pay $400 for a 360, it had better work. If I pay $130 for a DS it had better work. If I pay $10 for a pump to inflate my bicycle's tires, it had better work. Forgiving shoddy craftsmanship/QC/R&D/whatever is not only bad capitalism, it's just stupid. This is not limited to the realm of video games whatsoever. But, I guess if people want to waste their time and money buying things that break and then have to be replaced, that's their choice.

I hate the PC-mindset of release-it-early-and-patch-it-later. With the advent of online gaming I worried that such things would creep into console games (which they have). If we have to put up with this crap from hardware as well, I'm done. Microsoft better get their act together, and Nintendo and Sony better not botch things up like this.[/QUOTE]

Daroga wins.
 
I can't remember if they did or not, but I wouldn't really have a problem with this if IGN did something similar about the failure rate of early model PS2s and pointed out the fact that Sony wasn't replacing faulty consoles.

As a person who had to send their 360 back 3 times, I understand the anger at having something you paid $400 for break in the first couple of months and have to wait to have it replaced. On the third one I was really thinking of telling them to just refund my money and I'd be done with it. There are obviously problems with at least a a large batch of 360s, and it probably is because Microsoft was rushing to get the 360 out first. That was a big fuck up on their part, no doubt. But honestly, I can't say I hold a grudge. In the end, I have a working 360 that I play pretty much every day and have little to no problems with games loading, working, freezing, ect. Each time I talked to the 360 repair centers, they were quick and helpful. Sure I was without my 360 for probably a total of 2-3 weeks, but that's pretty insignificant in the long run, at least in my book. If that makes me a Microsoft fanboy, then I guess I am.

The one problem I do have with that IGN testimonial or whatever it was supposed to be is that ever last one of them that is complaining is complaining about it breaking. While it is a valid point, thats not even attempting to give people a balanced look at the system. When you find one fault and all you can do is harp on that over and over and won't acknowledge any of the really great features of the 360, you do come off as biased, whether that is the intention or not.

As for anybody that says the 360 has no impressive games, or that they all look current-gen, that is a blatant generalization. Yes, the first crop of games that were out and out ports of PS2/Xbox games didn't look impressive. That says nothing to me of the 360s capability, but that the developers either hadn't planned far enough ahead to have seperate teams for current gen and next gen versions, or that they were just looking to cash in with a lazy port. In the mean time, G.R.A.W. and Oblivion look pretty much as good as the best looking PC games today, and it's only going to get better from here on in, just like any other console.
 
If it breaks, you send it to MS, and within a week or so they'll fix it.

I get the fact that everyone wants everything to work correctly 100% of the time, but this isn't a perfect world. Things break. And MS COULD be assholes and tell people outside the 3 month warranty window to fuck off, but they aren't. They're fixing the systems that have issues.

Could things have been done better? Sure. But the 360 isn't the first console released to have issues (hell, the PSP had the dead pixel problem for months) and it won't be the last.

My final thought on this is if you want a 360 you should buy a warranty. Its an expensive piece of electronic equipment and electronics have issues. I realize this is a forum full of cheap people, but if I drop $400 + on ANYTHING, I make sure I've got a warranty backing me up - anything from a house to a car to an HDTV.

And the people who don't own a 360 really shouldn't be bitching about any 360 breaking. You don't own one, why would you even care?
 
[quote name='Stuka']
The one problem I do have with that IGN testimonial or whatever it was supposed to be is that ever last one of them that is complaining is complaining about it breaking. While it is a valid point, thats not even attempting to give people a balanced look at the system. When you find one fault and all you can do is harp on that over and over and won't acknowledge any of the really great features of the 360, you do come off as biased, whether that is the intention or not.
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Dude, the roundtable was called "Broken 360's"... what did you expect them to talk about?

If it were called something like "State of the 360, 5 months later" then you'd have a very valid point, but to expect something other than people bitching about their frequently-broken 360's in an article called "Broken 360's" is unfair to IGN. It seems more like you're running with the thread title than the article it discusses; "IGN Hates 360" is far more misleading.
 
[quote name='mmn']
I get the fact that everyone wants everything to work correctly 100% of the time, but this isn't a perfect world. Things break. And MS COULD be assholes and tell people outside the 3 month warranty window to fuck off, but they aren't. They're fixing the systems that have issues.
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Aye, though if MS tried to pull a move like that with a high failure rate for the hardware, they'd likely get slapped with a class action lawsuit. Hell, I just got a free phone because Verizon used to say "With Bluetooth" in their ads without informing us that it was crippled Bluetooth -- if something that weak could net me $250 in new merchandise, imagine what a good law firm could do to Microsoft?

It's the same reason that Sony started replacing launch unit PS2s for free eventually... at a certain point their position of strength on the issue erodes and they have to back down to the mass of angry consumers.
 
I punched a 360. In anger.

It punched me back.

I slapped it with my cock afterward. It didn't have time to give me a red circle. White walled motherfucker.

...

What were we talking about again?
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Whoever tells you "the games are a letdown" is full of shit. Or they just don't own the system to begin with. The 360 has more high-level titles within the first six months of it's life than most systems do for the first year or two.

Really, if there were no/fewer hardware problems, it would be hard to argue this isn't one of the better launches in history.[/QUOTE]

Had the premium system since launch and I can say without being full of shit that the games are a letdown to me. The only game I have yet to get my hands on is Oblivion so I can't speak on it. But, there are a few games I will say that are above average: Ghost Recon, PGR3, and COD2 (all for a single player experience) and even those games don't sport much next-gen anything except for visuals and sound. I realize 3 above average games in a 7 month stretch is a sign of a good/OK run. To me those game are not system sellers or must plays.

As for online play, it's just fine on Xbox 1 and in fact, I'd rather take Rainbow Six:3, Splinter Cell: PT, and Wolfenstein over any 360 Live installment to date.

I was one of the advocates pre-launch that the 360 would boast a great lineup of games early in its life cycle. But once the initial shock and awe factor of the clean visuals and crisp sound wore off, I was extremely disappointed that all I was getting was some bells and whistles added to games that play exactly like Xbox 1 games. And in almost 1/3 of the games now, the great visuals aren't due in part to the game development or 360 hardware, it's due to my HDTV.

I understand it's early in the life cycle which is why I'm holding on to it, because I know the top notch exclusive games will come (and Oblivion probably is one of those titles). But, right now, my 360 collects dust most of the week while I play PS2, Xbox 1, Gamecube, and more recently my 64 and DS.

Maybe I was expecting too much out of the system, maybe I've grown tired of this current wave of games that just feel like I've played them time and time again, or maybe this isn't a next-gen at all. I'm already having doubts about the next gen qualities of PS3 and right now my most anticipated games are all PS2 or DS games.

I will say in closing that it is NOT all of MS's fault, it just can't be (well that is except for the hardware failures :)). The hardware is certainly there for the developers to work with. In my opinion they didn't have the best timeframe to work with, and the publishers just couldn't wait on these launch games. I'd say we start seeing th enext gen in about 6-8 months.

And for the record I have only had about 3-4 freezes since November. Nothing else serious.
 
Anyone who says the 360 doesn't have an amazing looking game lineup, given the fact that it's less than half a year old, is nuts. Tell me, what other console has had this many quality games, in so many different genres, within the first 6 months of it's release? It's got 2 great shooters (COD2 and PDZ), a great fighting game (DOA4), an amazing, GOTY candidate RPG (Oblivion), 2 quality racing games (PGR3 and NFS:MW), and a bunch of underrated games to round it all out (Condemned, Amped 3, Top Spin 2, Geometry Wars). Plus, it's got excellent online functionality and a lot of quality XBL arcade games. Seriously, how many people were glued to their Gamecubes during it's first 6 months? Try to compare their games to the 360's. Or the PS2, whose launch lineup was downright poopy. And I don't think I need to remind anyone about the Xbox and it's first 6 months worth of games. Honestly, the only console launched within the last 10 years that even comes close to matching the quality of the 360's games is the Dreamcast.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Anyone who says the 360 doesn't have an amazing looking game lineup, given the fact that it's less than half a year old, is nuts. Tell me, what other console has had this many quality games, in so many different genres, within the first 6 months of it's release? It's got 2 great shooters (COD2 and PDZ), a great fighting game (DOA4), an amazing, GOTY candidate RPG (Oblivion), 2 quality racing games (PGR3 and NFS:MW), and a bunch of underrated games to round it all out (Condemned, Amped 3, Top Spin 2, Geometry Wars). Plus, it's got excellent online functionality and a lot of quality XBL arcade games. Seriously, how many people were glued to their Gamecubes during it's first 6 months? Try to compare their games to the 360's. Or the PS2, whose launch lineup was downright poopy. And I don't think I need to remind anyone about the Xbox and it's first 6 months worth of games. Honestly, the only console launched within the last 10 years that even comes close to matching the quality of the 360's games is the Dreamcast.[/QUOTE]

But its the 360. It should've had 35 GOTY candidates within 13 hours of its release. It should also wash your car, do your laundry, and cook you dinner. That's what the next gen should've been about. Damn Microsoft.
 
[quote name='mmn']But its the 360. It should've had 35 GOTY candidates within 13 hours of its release. It should also wash your car, do your laundry, and cook you dinner. That's what the next gen should've been about. Damn Microsoft.[/quote]
Well no wonder so many 360's are breaking, they are getting to close to the stove while making Rice-a-Roni.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Anyone who says the 360 doesn't have an amazing looking game lineup, given the fact that it's less than half a year old, is nuts. Tell me, what other console has had this many quality games, in so many different genres, within the first 6 months of it's release? It's got 2 great shooters (COD2 and PDZ), a great fighting game (DOA4), an amazing, GOTY candidate RPG (Oblivion), 2 quality racing games (PGR3 and NFS:MW), and a bunch of underrated games to round it all out (Condemned, Amped 3, Top Spin 2, Geometry Wars). Plus, it's got excellent online functionality and a lot of quality XBL arcade games. Seriously, how many people were glued to their Gamecubes during it's first 6 months? Try to compare their games to the 360's. Or the PS2, whose launch lineup was downright poopy. And I don't think I need to remind anyone about the Xbox and it's first 6 months worth of games. Honestly, the only console launched within the last 10 years that even comes close to matching the quality of the 360's games is the Dreamcast.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I just don't share the same views as you. Out of all the games you named I can name you one I'd rather play or which I feel is better. I really don't believe any 360 game warrants the next gen title let alone the price tag (except for Oblivion which I haven't played). I agree the early quantity of decent games is good, but not enough to label someone nuts if they disagree. To paraphrase: the 360 has not lived up to the hype for me..... so far. Just as the GC didn't at its launch, or the PS2 at it's launch. But, that's a credit to the marketing teams and shows how gullible I am when it comes to video games. If I wasn't a person who when they see new tech toys, just HAS to have them, there's no doubt I'd be more satisfied with my purchases. But, I guess I haven't learned my lesson yet.

Back to the NBA playoffs I go....
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']It's got 2 great shooters (COD2 and PDZ)[/quote]

Perfect Dark Zero is not a great shooter.
 
[quote name='mmn']But its the 360. It should've had 35 GOTY candidates within 13 hours of its release. It should also wash your car, do your laundry, and cook you dinner. That's what the next gen should've been about. Damn Microsoft.[/quote]
:rofl:
 
[quote name='slimpip']Sorry, I just don't share the same views as you. Out of all the games you named I can name you one I'd rather play or which I feel is better. I really don't believe any 360 game warrants the next gen title let alone the price tag (except for Oblivion which I haven't played). I agree the early quantity of decent games is good, but not enough to label someone nuts if they disagree. To paraphrase: the 360 has not lived up to the hype for me..... so far. Just as the GC didn't at its launch, or the PS2 at it's launch. But, that's a credit to the marketing teams and shows how gullible I am when it comes to video games. If I wasn't a person who when they see new tech toys, just HAS to have them, there's no doubt I'd be more satisfied with my purchases. But, I guess I haven't learned my lesson yet.

Back to the NBA playoffs I go....[/QUOTE]

I re-read your post 3 or 4 times and then it hit me - hey, let's see what games slimpip has actually played. So I took a look at your Xbox Live profile thingy.

You played Call of Duty 2, the best shooter on the system, and at least finished the training mission, but didn't even bother sticking around to beat the game. Maybe you rented it, I dunno.

You also played some PGR 3, the best racer on the system, and got...one achievement.

What about Fight Night, considered one of the better games on the 360? No achievements there, either.

To me it seems like your gametime with the 360 has been focused on sports games, having played Madden, MLB 2k6, NBA 2k6, College Hoops 2k6, etc. Is it REALLY fair to say a console isn't next-gen enough when you're obviously a traditional sports game fan and those games RARELY show the true power of a console, especially in the first year of release?

I'm really not trying to shit on you, I'm just pointing out that, to me, it seems as though you haven't even given the system a fair chance before deciding its failed you.

If I were judging a "next gen console" based on Madden and Top Spin 2, I'd probably be pretty disappointed too.
 
[quote name='mmn']I re-read your post 3 or 4 times and then it hit me - hey, let's see what games slimpip has actually played. So I took a look at your Xbox Live profile thingy.

You played Call of Duty 2, the best shooter on the system, and at least finished the training mission, but didn't even bother sticking around to beat the game. Maybe you rented it, I dunno.

You also played some PGR 3, the best racer on the system, and got...one achievement.

What about Fight Night, considered one of the better games on the 360? No achievements there, either.

To me it seems like your gametime with the 360 has been focused on sports games, having played Madden, MLB 2k6, NBA 2k6, College Hoops 2k6, etc. Is it REALLY fair to say a console isn't next-gen enough when you're obviously a traditional sports game fan and those games RARELY show the true power of a console, especially in the first year of release?

I'm really not trying to shit on you, I'm just pointing out that, to me, it seems as though you haven't even given the system a fair chance before deciding its failed you.

If I were judging a "next gen console" based on Madden and Top Spin 2, I'd probably be pretty disappointed too.[/QUOTE]


I knew this would come up, but why oh why after my beloved Bulls lose :) The XBL profile is a community profile. I live with 2 buddies (at college) and we share the one XBL profile for online games and what not. Most of the stuff you see on FlyingRacoon isn't my doing, except for Hexic and Geometry Wars (and yes Hexic is hard as hell for me). I personally play on a profile not registered online just because it's easier for me to keep track of since we have 4 profiles on the 360, and so I can sign in with my regular name and get a more personalized experience :) hehe. My friends like to use FlyingRacoon so they don't have to click through all the screens to get to their saves.

The majority of people I play online with are close friends and there's really no need for me to show off my achievements or games to them, since we see eachother on a regular basis.

In all seriousness, I'm not saying everybody should feel it's not a next gen system, I just was ready for this awesome next gen of gameplay so early, and it never occured to me I might have to wait for the developers to get used to the hardware (which is why I think PS3 is going to be unfulfilling, they're giving developers so little time to get thier product finished). But, a birdie at Volition is promising me good stuff, and a game like Gears of War that you hear about before launch that keeps getting delayed makes me excited.... so we shall see.

EDIT: Fight Night I played and enjoyed, but the reason I bought it was to support a friend at EA Chicago. I can't stand the career mode and mostly play when a group of people are over.

EDIT 2: And don't be surprised if in 5 months I'm all: "OMG XBOX 360 ROX MAH SOX!!1!1". I flip flop so much on video games I should keep an extra console under lock and key at all times. Why? Well....I bought a GC 1 month after launch and sold it 5 months later because of the lack of games. 3 months later I bought my second GC for Mario.....and sold that one after the bi-annual Nintendo drought. THEN I bought my 3rd and final GC and decided "Hey why not keep this one?". :) But everytime I ended up selling and re-buying I always ended up making money or breaking even o_O Thanks CAG!! \\:D/
 
[quote name='slimpip']I knew this would come up, but why oh why after my beloved Bulls lose :) The XBL profile is a community profile.[/QUOTE]

Alright, fair enough then.

Oh, and go Heat. :)
 
I read all of the comments made by the IGN crew, and I don't see any blatant bias. They also point out how the PS3 will have the same problems. I think the key thing in the article is that we as gamers are paying $400+ for consoles and are still getting pporly produced crap. Regardless of the company, this isn't fair for us.
 
[quote name='XxFuRy2Xx']I read all of the comments made by the IGN crew, and I don't see any blatant bias. They also point out how the PS3 will have the same problems. I think the key thing in the article is that we as gamers are paying $400+ for consoles and are still getting pporly produced crap. Regardless of the company, this isn't fair for us.[/QUOTE]

YESH IT IS!!! j00 SH(UDL EXPECT IT!!!1111
 
:::Welcome to a no spin zone!:::

Jessica Chobot got her job a IGN licking a PSP. She'd be doing softcore photo shoots right now if IGN hadn't picked her up for her "editorials".

And the rest of the lackeys at IGN are so quick to brand every new game as a "HALO KILLER" or "ZELDA KILLER" that I would rather read reviews off a gamefaqs meesasge board

:::Exiting a no spin zone:::
 
[quote name='daroga']Can't say that I really understand the defense for Microsoft in this thread. It's obvious that the issues for this machine are widespread, and far beyond any acceptable failure rate even considering it being a brand new system. The hardware was rushed, without sufficent testing ahead of time, and we as the consumer get screwed.

I don't tollerate this from any company. If I pay $17,000 for a car, it had better work. If I pay $400 for a 360, it had better work. If I pay $130 for a DS it had better work. If I pay $10 for a pump to inflate my bicycle's tires, it had better work. Forgiving shoddy craftsmanship/QC/R&D/whatever is not only bad capitalism, it's just stupid. This is not limited to the realm of video games whatsoever. But, I guess if people want to waste their time and money buying things that break and then have to be replaced, that's their choice.[/QUOTE]

Artfully expressed. I seriously cannot believe how lenient people with 360 problems have been to MS, although big props to Microsoft for being so forthwright with the repairs.
 
I can say without a doubt that I have enjoyed my 360 less than any other console I have ever owned. The Virtual Boy was more fun for me.

And PDZ certainly isn't great, it isn't even good. I don't think I've ever been so dissapointed with a game.
 
Haven't heard any problems from friends about their 360s. The system itself is great, especially with Xbox live, just that its loud and huge, but it needs some killer apps, although I've yet to try out Oblivion.
 
Well I have had a myriad of problems with the 360 however ill say this much: it's a great system as long as you have one that works. Alot of the hate comes from having a defective system that people just seem to not understand why they get one at launch. Coming straight from 1up - "If there is anything that playstation 2 has taught me it is to not buy a system at launch due to all the problem launch systems have".

Its just rather funny to see people being pissed at getting a defective one at launch when it always happens. We see time and time again it happen at launch but it seems everytime a launch comes around there are more dumbasses than last time. This is not going to be something the PS3 won't experience as well. I am sure they will have there own problems with the system at launch if not worse. However if youre like me where I had to replace my 360 5 times before getting one that worked, it doesn't make for a good impression on the situation however im sure there are not many others with the same problem I experienced. Sure theres the couple like the one on CAG and me but they tend to get blown way out of proportion by biased media websites (like IGN) and the "bloggers".

Yet at the same time you can't say MS has done a good job with controlling the PR behind these issues. It is partly their part for not being more out there trying to do damage control. Yes they did say that they would replace the systems with next day air and repair it if needed but after that press release how much more did we hear from them? Not much if anything at all.

Along with that the scene on CAG and other media websites has become way too eletist and acidic. We all love games but alot of these media sites just seem to want to be the first to jump on any story of their rival system's downfalls while not thinking about the concequences it could have on the entire game industry. If Microsoft did get out of the gaming business there would only be Nintendo and Sony left to drive the market in the industry thus leaving a void seeing that Sega is long gone in terms of Console platforms. We all know what would happen then, Sony would dominate the market and that would be it. It is not to say that Nintendo doesn't have any chance, because polls have proved that completely wrong, but im sure everyone can agree that Nintendo does not have the pull it used to when it comes to game devs and money. No competition = no innovation because they would not be encouraged to innovate.

Are we supposed to be gamers or are we supposed to be soldiers? Everyone seems ready to go off to war for their console when all I want to do is sit down and play a damn good game.
 
[quote name='Ecofreak']I seriously cannot believe how lenient people with 360 problems have been to MS[/QUOTE]

Huh? What the hell are people supposed to do? Storm the MS offices with pitchforks and torches?

All you can do is bitch, which everyone HAS been doing.
 
oh well, it's just difficult to get a new system nowadays :D

think this way, when you get some new system at launch, chances of defect rate is high. But it could also as well be the most toughly built system of its own kind becauase it's the first batch. Later on they might use cheaper material or trim certain functions here and there to cut down the cost or lower prices that way to make the item more appeal to cusumers. On top of that, "usually" the first batch are the most easily "hackable" system as there will be more security fix being throw in later. (EX: psp firmware, sega saturn model 1 and 2 for swappin'...)

My friend and I both have the early ps2 (his at launch mine about a year after launch) Both units work like a charm still!
 
oh well, it's just difficult to get a new system nowadays :D

think this way, when you get some new system at launch, chances of defect rate is high. But it could also as well be the most toughly built system of its own kind becauase it's the first batch. Later on they might use cheaper material or trim certain functions here and there to cut down the cost or lower prices that way to make the item more appeal to cusumers. (I wish my gamecube has component-in!!!) On top of that, "usually" the first batch are the most easily "hackable" system as there will be more security fix being throw in later. (EX: psp firmware, sega saturn model 1 and 2 for swappin'...)

My friend and I both have the early ps2 (his at launch mine about a year after launch) Both units work like a charm still!
 
[quote name='slimpip']Had the premium system since launch and I can say without being full of shit that the games are a letdown to me. The only game I have yet to get my hands on is Oblivion so I can't speak on it. But, there are a few games I will say that are above average: Ghost Recon, PGR3, and COD2 (all for a single player experience) and even those games don't sport much next-gen anything except for visuals and sound. I realize 3 above average games in a 7 month stretch is a sign of a good/OK run. To me those game are not system sellers or must plays.[/quote]

That's fine, and my personal opinion is that CoD2 is not an "amazing," but the general consensus between the media and general public is that CoD2, GRAW, and Oblivion are AAA-level titles, especially for a system this young. That's significantly more notable than "above average," as you put it.

I don't always agree with the general public opinion on high-level games either, but I'm not dumb enough to think they're not good just because it's not my particular bag.

I don't know of any other system that had this many games of that level of quality 6 months in.

As for online play, it's just fine on Xbox 1 and in fact, I'd rather take Rainbow Six:3, Splinter Cell: PT, and Wolfenstein over any 360 Live installment to date.
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That's too bad, since Burnout Revenge alone is better than almost any XBox 1 game when it comes to the online aspect. It's "fine" on XBox 1 but it's exceptional on the 360.

I was one of the advocates pre-launch that the 360 would boast a great lineup of games early in its life cycle. But once the initial shock and awe factor of the clean visuals and crisp sound wore off, I was extremely disappointed that all I was getting was some bells and whistles added to games that play exactly like Xbox 1 games. And in almost 1/3 of the games now, the great visuals aren't due in part to the game development or 360 hardware, it's due to my HDTV.
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Welcome to what's likely going to happen with every system this time around - Nintendo included once the novelty of the remote control wears off. This, more than any other time period, will be the "graphics whore paradise." Those who DON'T cream themselves over graphics alone (and are on a limited budget) will have to make a decision whether high-def movies (PS3), a new style of gameplay (Rev) or robust online features (360) mean the most to them. Not exactly the most thrilling time to be a fan of games.

Blame game developers for that, not Microsoft. Regardless, a TV doesn't make a game's graphics better, it just lets you view them as intended, so your last comment doesn't really do much for me. We have just about reached the limits of how good something can look on a regular television - that's not Microsoft's fault.

I understand it's early in the life cycle which is why I'm holding on to it, because I know the top notch exclusive games will come (and Oblivion probably is one of those titles). But, right now, my 360 collects dust most of the week while I play PS2, Xbox 1, Gamecube, and more recently my 64 and DS.
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I like living in the past once in a while too...while my system is in coffin-limbo I'm really digging some of the XBox games I never even took the shrink-wrap off of, but I know once the 360 is back that will get the majority of my attention. I was also really into the DS for a while, but after the disappointment of Metroid...well....I can only play Tetris so many times before I get tired of it. What this information has to do with anything, I don't know. Since you mentioned what else you are playing I figured I would as well. I think everyone with more than on option goes on streaks where they don't use a console for a while, regardless of age.

And for the record I have only had about 3-4 freezes since November. Nothing else serious.
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Good. I hope the same is true 6 months from now, especially if you did not buy the warranty.

What's worrying me right now is the fact that all these problems have happened during the console's infancy. What's it going to be like when the console is a year old and it's had a lot more time to overheat/lock-up/whatever?

[quote name='mmn']Huh? What the hell are people supposed to do? Storm the MS offices with pitchforks and torches?

All you can do is bitch, which everyone HAS been doing.[/QUOTE]

Those in a position to do something haven't done dick, although this IGN article is a step in the right direction. I'm hoping more media hounds them on this in the future, but I doubt it'll happen since, despite a few anomalies here and there, the gaming media still lacks a spine.
 
I been reading through this whole thread and I;m not even going to get into any of these arguments. All i have to say is mine 360 broke after about 5 months of working. To me thats a joke and its the first time it has happen to me with any system. All my systems I have got at lauch also. It pisses me off. Just at the fact that Microsft rushed the system out and now is dealing with the consequences of that. ANyway who cares what IGN has to say.
 
All I have to say is this I love my 360 it is a great system, but my launch console was basically broke out of the box and would not play games for more than 30 minutes without freezing up.

I mean I paid 400 for the system and then bought Call of Duty, Kameo, PDZ, PGR3 and a extra wireless contoller and could not play any of my games after the first day because they would freeze.

I was pretty pissed off! I was furious at the time.

I called MS and they took care of me. Sent me the DHL box I sent them my console. They sent me a replacement after about 5 days.

My new one has worked ever since and I have had no problems yet, but I can understand why some people would be pissed.
 
The stories go both way, some of you defective owners got taken care of, hence you might not understand why ppl bitch at MS so badly. But some didn't and they were given hard time when they try to argue on the warrenty policy. If i paid 400, I want something that works and NEW as it is. I do not want to send in and get a "refurbish" unit which god knows who took a piss on it or stick their boogers in the dvd tray, or something. Do I mind about used/refurbished item if it works well? No, but the point is I shouldn't have to accept that if I paid for such a high priced system and stood in cold on launch day.

Oh well, on MS's point of view.. it's not an easy job either. I guess they just have to work hard on quality , and pray there isn't much specific design failure which really leads to quality issue. Another thing we should look at is... so far most of the voice you heard were coming from the defective-unlucky owners.. there are probably way more ppl that have a working 360 that didn't say a thing.. So nobody knows the true defective ratio.
 
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