I'm considering trading my 360 for a PS3...

Microtransactions are here to stay. Theres nothing you can do to avoid these things. If anything, right now you are missing out. For instance, look at Marvel UA. Came out for the ps3 and 360, same game(runs better on 360 in this case) and some months later DLC is released.

Does the PS3 version have these characters? No. So what you're basically doing is limiting yourself and saying no matter what, you dont want extra content. If this "holding out" conspiracy of yours is whats holding you back, remember that they wouldnt be so dumb as to not "hold out" on every copy otherwise the DLC wouldnt sell.

When it comes down to it, its your money but i think it would be pretty dumb to bail out on the 360 and buy a PS3. If anything just wait and get a ps3 once you can afford both(and by then more games will be out)
 
[quote name='DJSteel']nope... I'm not even doing it yet.. I'm atleast considering it before I do it...[/quote]

Eh, don't listen to him, he's a PS3 hatin' troll.
(and yes, he has a PS3 for one game)
 
[quote name='terribledeli']Delicious. I'll take on this bet as well. What do I get if I win?

Would you mind providing some solid proof that content is being held back?[/QUOTE]


And can you provide proof that its NOT being held back? You can't because you're not a developer and you don't know what exactly is done behind the scene unless you work for them. Remember the horse armor? It was mentioned months BEFORE the game shipped that it would be DLC, whether it was intentional or unintentionally mentioned we don't know, but we do know that it was held back.

Sure microtransactions are here to stay but that doesn't mean you have to be a sheep and buy everything they throw at you at rediculous prices.
 
I would say stay with the 360. Allow you do have to pay for DLC sometimes overall xbox live is a lot better then ps3 online, offering a lot more features. There are also many games coming to the 360 that won't be going to PS3 and many orginial playstation games (Metal gear, FF, Devil, etc.) are starting to be made for the 360.
 
The only reason why DLC and paying for online content has thrived in the first place is because there are so many of you "people" that blindly wait for M$ to put stuff out and then you buy it with no question of what you are doing. If well all really wanted to get rid of at least some of these unnessary fees everyone would boycot buying them, but as shown that's not what's going to happen because you guys keep fueling the fire.

:puts on flame suit:
 
it doesnt help that some of the DLC is what gamers would pay for without a doubt. I can tell ya all Oblivion players bought shivering isles..all Rainbow 6,Gears players bought their map packs without question. hell XBLA is thriving because you can finally play TMNT online with 3 other players from all around the world....i dont really care about microtransactions..because as long as it benefits you and your gaming experience..than it should be worth the money right? heck thats why we paid for a 360,ps3,wii, etc...so we could enjoy the shit we bought...microtransactions are basically the same thing.

I would pay for live. i did...using CAG thankfully....and now i get to play PGR 3,UMKIII, Forza 2(soon) online....it so far has the best online multiplayer support until the ps3 has a chance to shed its wings.

OP, as the last 3 pages of posters said, you dont have to pay for anything. if want a ps3 than maybe a small suggestion would be play the games you want for 360 than when your sick of it..deal it in for a ps3 when you ready.
 
[quote name='terribledeli']Delicious. I'll take on this bet as well. What do I get if I win?

Would you mind providing some solid proof that content is being held back?[/QUOTE]
Wasn't there a game that you had to buy content that was already on the disc?
 
The selling content already on the disc stuff has mostly been EA's doing. Microsoft has kind of taken them to task about it as well, because it just makes them look bad. EA would have done it on either platform, to tell the truth, they just had first chance to do it on 360.
 
Gee... I wonder what you own... ?


If that comment was directed at me, I strongly encourage you to read my previous post again, this time while incorporating the process known as "thinking".

Let's break it down in more digestible chunks, shall we?

No matter which of these two consoles...

As in, either one...

...you ultimately choose...

...as in, the topic poster's choice alone...

you know where the high-res grass will be greener....

...as in, "the grass is always greener on the other side." Or is that adage too ancient/esoteric for you? So yeah, I'm just cynically stating that it's human nature to want/fixate on the one you don't currently have, so getting rid of the 360 for the PS3 would sooner than later cause Mr. Topic Poster to long for the 360 on the account of some exclusive or feature. The same would be true if he were contemplating trading in a PS3 for a 360.
 
[quote name='whoknows']Wasn't there a game that you had to buy content that was already on the disc?[/QUOTE]

Viva Pinata has "unlock keys" for stuff sitting on the CD, that you pay like 80 points to "unlock" the right to use.

If MS took EA to task for this, then they really should take themselves to task too.

Hell, I say dump the 360, and if you want it back again in the future, you'll probably be getting a 360 with a better DVD drive, better chips and cooling, and a cheaper price.
 
God... EA... let's not even go there... that's a WHOLE other issue there. Talk about garbage in garbage out. People actually pay for their shit too.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Viva Pinata has "unlock keys" for stuff sitting on the CD, that you pay like 80 points to "unlock" the right to use.

If MS took EA to task for this, then they really should take themselves to task too.

Hell, I say dump the 360, and if you want it back again in the future, you'll probably be getting a 360 with a better DVD drive, better chips and cooling, and a cheaper price.[/QUOTE]
Very good point.

Buying it later will get him a quieter, better 360.
 
[quote name='dallow']Eh, don't listen to him, he's a PS3 hatin' troll.
(and yes, he has a PS3 for one game)[/quote]

it's cool..his opinion means shit to me..when he judges me without knowing me
 
[quote name='whoknows']Very good point.

Buying it later will get him a quieter, better 360.[/QUOTE]

OP will be thankful when he doesn't have to deal with sending it in to Microsoft two or three times - to Sony's credit, I have barely heard of any problems of PS3's breaking for no reason whatsoever.

Hell, the 360 Coffin thread has at least 3 or 4 people whose systems just broke today, for no reason at all.

All OP needs to do is ask himself some simple questions:

Which exclusive games interest me more? The 360 or the PS3?

Are achievements really that important?

Do I play more single player than online gaming? (Yes, I know PS3 has online games, but it seems most people are enjoying the single player portion of the games much more than 360 owners, who enjoy the online portion much more... maybe I'm wrong? But it seems PS3 owners are excited for Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Heavenly Sword, and Lair, while 360 owners are excited for a multiplayer Halo 3 beta).

If you answer PS3, no, and yes, then yea, you should probably think of getting a PS3.
 
This thread is so stupid that I'm thinking it's a troll. Both consoles will have microtransactions, it's not just an Xbox thing or a Microsoft thing. If you don't like the 360 then don't play it, get a PS3. Funny, you don't want to pay for unforced microtransactions, but you'll pay for forced Blu-ray that doesn't enhance games at all thus far.
 
[quote name='terribledeli']Delicious. I'll take on this bet as well. What do I get if I win?

Would you mind providing some solid proof that content is being held back?[/quote]

what about Scarface didnt the DLC on that game end up being unlock keys to unlock stuff already on the disk? or maybe that was Godfather dont remember.
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']This thread is so stupid that I almost am thinking it's a troll. Both consoles will have microtransactions, it's not just an Xbox thing or a Microsoft thing. If you don't like the 360, don't play it get a PS3. Funyn you don't want to pay for unforce microtransactions, but you'll pay for forced Blu-ray that doesn't enhance games at all thus far.[/quote]

dude I've been a gamer circa 1980.. I hold no allegiences I've owned almost every system except a saturn and neo geo...i'm not saying one is better than the other at all..

I've been a MS owner since the launch of the xbox.. i was a beta tester for Live... again.. you don't know me..label me what you will..
 
[quote name='Roufuss']OP will be thankful when he doesn't have to deal with sending it in to Microsoft two or three times - to Sony's credit, I have barely heard of any problems of PS3's breaking for no reason whatsoever.

Hell, the 360 Coffin thread has at least 3 or 4 people whose systems just broke today, for no reason at all.

All OP needs to do is ask himself some simple questions:

Which exclusive games interest me more? The 360 or the PS3?

Are achievements really that important?

Do I play more single player than online gaming? (Yes, I know PS3 has online games, but it seems most people are enjoying the single player portion of the games much more than 360 owners, who enjoy the online portion much more... maybe I'm wrong? But it seems PS3 owners are excited for Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Heavenly Sword, and Lair, while 360 owners are excited for a multiplayer Halo 3 beta).

If you answer PS3, no, and yes, then yea, you should probably think of getting a PS3.[/quote]
thanks Roufuss you 've helped a lot. I have been considering this becuase I have 6-7 friends how have had to replace their consoles up to 5 times. One is actually not sending his back and wrapping it in a towel to get it to work.. I had to send mine back less than 1 yr after I bought mine. It's not the games aren't good for it.. the reliability seems worse than the PS2 DDE errors..
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']This thread is so stupid that I'm thinking it's a troll. Both consoles will have microtransactions, it's not just an Xbox thing or a Microsoft thing. If you don't like the 360 then don't play it, get a PS3. Funny, you don't want to pay for unforced microtransactions, but you'll pay for forced Blu-ray that doesn't enhance games at all thus far.[/quote]

I have to agree with Chris, but I don't think you are a troll and his point about Blu-ray is kind of lame. However, the thread is really kind of pointless. My advice to you is if you are unhappy with your 360 and microtransactions, then get rid of it. PS3 will follow suit, but there are drawbacks and benefits for both systems. Everybody's "opinions" shouldn't really sway your decision because they aren't you - not discounting anybody's earlier points.

If you are already swaying towards getting a PS3, then just do it. Your opinion OP is the only one that matters.
 
[quote name='galvatron2k1']I have to agree with Chris, but I don't think you are a troll and his point about Blu-ray is kind of lame. However, the thread is really kind of pointless. My advice to you is if you are unhappy with your 360 and microtransactions, then get rid of it. PS3 will follow suit, but there are drawbacks and benefits for both systems. Everybody's "opinions" shouldn't really sway your decision because they aren't you - not discounting anybody's earlier points.

If you are already swaying towards getting a PS3, then just do it. Your opinion OP is the only one that matters.[/quote]

it was supposed to get a measure of how the ps3 fans felt about their ps3's...not all this that it panned out to be.
 
[quote name='DJSteel']it was supposed to get a measure of how the ps3 fans felt about their ps3's...not all this that it panned out to be.[/quote]

I see...

Well, if you were looking for "owners" opinions, that's one thing... Might want to change the topic to - how do ps3 owners feel about their ps3 systems? Could cut down on the haters... But if that's all you were asking, I am satisfied with mine even with the steep price and lack of games.
 
cool thanks for the input Galvatron...

btw.. i don't post much in CAG besides the deals thread because there are a lot of trolls on here..
 
[quote name='DJSteel']thanks Roufuss you 've helped a lot. I have been considering this becuase I have 6-7 friends how have had to replace their consoles up to 5 times. One is actually not sending his back and wrapping it in a towel to get it to work.. I had to send mine back less than 1 yr after I bought mine. It's not the games aren't good for it.. the reliability seems worse than the PS2 DDE errors..[/QUOTE]

Hey man, I agree, I loved my 360, I felt it was one of the best systems I owned up until it broke, and the refurb MS sent back was a POS and it seemed like that would break too. The lineup it has is amazing, but the system itself is so faulty that it's hard to really justify it. I also really wasn't a fan of Live.

I've got a bitching PC setup and a Wii, and I might pick up a PS3 just to get the types of games that don't show up for either, like Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Lair, or Heavenly Sword. In the future, I do want to get a 360 again for things like Blue Dragon, but I need a more stable system first. Then, you've got the multi console games like VF 5.

If the $500 PS3 was still easy enough to find, I'd probably go for that. But in this day and age, it really boils down to two things:

Which company's system offers more "perks" in terms of the system itself, and which company has the best exclusive games that are 1st party. For me, and this is only my opinion because I know someone will rip this one apart, everything the 360 does right, like Live, Achievements, and all of that, is completely negated if I can't even trust the hardware to even run.

It's a lot to take into consideration. I have a Wii, and while I love it, it doesn't really do a job of scratching that next gen itch for me - the PC meets it there in a sense, but I'm dying to play some VF 5 and Ninja Gaiden Sigma. For me, I don't *need* 100 games all at once on a system to feel content with my purchase - getting Ninja Gaiden Sigma, VF 5, and probably Resistance would be enough for me for a few months. Hell, I just finished Twilight Princess after playing owning it for six months ;)

But I'll still definitely get a 360 again once they iron out the parts issues.
 
Why don't you just buy a ps3 and keep your 360? The microtransaction argument is moot since ps3 is going to rape you for ingame content once they iron things out with home
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']I don't understand, why not just own a 360 and not purchase microtransactions?[/quote]

Because people don't want solutions to their problems, they just want to complain about it. I own a 360 and I only buy what I want. I don't care about microtransactions at all.

TBW
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']This thread is so stupid that I'm thinking it's a troll. Both consoles will have microtransactions, it's not just an Xbox thing or a Microsoft thing. If you don't like the 360 then don't play it, get a PS3. Funny, you don't want to pay for unforced microtransactions, but you'll pay for forced Blu-ray that doesn't enhance games at all thus far.[/QUOTE]


Now this is just fanboy talk. You can NOT fit everything into DVD-9. MS made the mistake without including HD-DVD, long term it would help them.

We aren't forced to use Blu-ray, it is the future. Just like CD took over Cartridges, and DVD took over CD.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Hey man, I agree, I loved my 360, I felt it was one of the best systems I owned up until it broke, and the refurb MS sent back was a POS and it seemed like that would break too. The lineup it has is amazing, but the system itself is so faulty that it's hard to really justify it. I also really wasn't a fan of Live.

I've got a bitching PC setup and a Wii, and I might pick up a PS3 just to get the types of games that don't show up for either, like Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Lair, or Heavenly Sword. In the future, I do want to get a 360 again for things like Blue Dragon, but I need a more stable system first. Then, you've got the multi console games like VF 5.

If the $500 PS3 was still easy enough to find, I'd probably go for that. But in this day and age, it really boils down to two things:

Which company's system offers more "perks" in terms of the system itself, and which company has the best exclusive games that are 1st party. For me, and this is only my opinion because I know someone will rip this one apart, everything the 360 does right, like Live, Achievements, and all of that, is completely negated if I can't even trust the hardware to even run.

It's a lot to take into consideration. I have a Wii, and while I love it, it doesn't really do a job of scratching that next gen itch for me - the PC meets it there in a sense, but I'm dying to play some VF 5 and Ninja Gaiden Sigma. For me, I don't *need* 100 games all at once on a system to feel content with my purchase - getting Ninja Gaiden Sigma, VF 5, and probably Resistance would be enough for me for a few months. Hell, I just finished Twilight Princess after playing owning it for six months ;)

But I'll still definitely get a 360 again once they iron out the parts issues.[/quote]

Now I have to agree with this just about 100%. Granted, I have not had a problem with my 360 yet, but many of my friends have. I feel like it is just a matter of time before I get hit with the bug too. Right now, the games on the 360 really can't be touched, but their hardware and tech support??? I mean, they can't even get their Halo 3 beta fixed after 12+ hours to even download for people that actually paid for it in some form or fashion (even if it was included on Crackdown - I'm sure the beta was also a selling point)...

That scares me because XBL has been out for what seems forever. And they are still having problems :roll: .
 
[quote name='apokalipze2']Why don't you just buy a ps3 and keep your 360? The microtransaction argument is moot since ps3 is going to rape you for ingame content once they iron things out with home[/quote]

that is unfair to my family to buy a ps3 while I do have a 360. I got to think about them before me..
 
[quote name='galvatron2k1']Now I have to agree with this just about 100%. Granted, I have not had a problem with my 360 yet, but many of my friends have. I feel like it is just a matter of time before I get hit with the bug too. Right now, the games on the 360 really can't be touched, but their hardware and tech support??? I mean, they can't even get their Halo 3 beta fixed after 12 hours to even download for people that actually paid for it in some form or fashion (even if it was included on Crackdown - I'm sure the beta was also a selling point)...

That scares me because XBL has been out for what seems forever. And they are still having problems :roll: .[/quote]

i actually love crackdown.. it's one of my favorite 360 games.. i'm one of the few that hasn't bought the game just for the demo... and believe me the friend who decided to use the towel call their support around 7-8 times to get the to send him a box and they screwed that up.
 
[quote name='DJSteel']that is unfair to my family to buy a ps3 while I do have a 360. I got to think about them before me..[/QUOTE]

so you're saying that you need to ask mommy and daddy money to buy PS3 LOL.
The DS might be better for you ^__^; DOn't you want to play Pokemon with your friend ?
 
[quote name='galvatron2k1']Now I have to agree with this just about 100%. Granted, I have not had a problem with my 360 yet, but many of my friends have. I feel like it is just a matter of time before I get hit with the bug too. Right now, the games on the 360 really can't be touched, but their hardware and tech support??? I mean, they can't even get their Halo 3 beta fixed after 12+ hours to even download for people that actually paid for it in some form or fashion (even if it was included on Crackdown - I'm sure the beta was also a selling point)...

That scares me because XBL has been out for what seems forever. And they are still having problems :roll: .[/QUOTE]

Yea, and for me, stuff like that is unacceptable... lots of people are just sweeping it under the rug, because the games are awesome, and "it hasn't happened to me yet", but once it happens to you, you start to think twice about it all - I just kind of lost interest in the 360.

I'd love to play Marvel Ultimate Alliance with the new characters, Crackdown, Blue Dragon, or some of the XBLA games hitting, but I'm not going to take the gamble with the systems they have out now... for me, the ends don't justify the means.

I want to get a PS3 when I can find a good deal on one so right now I'm just waiting, and watching.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma will probably do it for me - true story here:

I bought Ninja Gaiden to play on the original Xbox - the original Xbox died on me the day after I got it and was about to play it. It wasn't under warranty, so I opened it up myself to try and fix it and screwed it up even worse, so I junked it.

I got Ninja Gaiden Black to finally play this game everyone loves on my 360, and then my 360 died. The refurb they sent back was also a POS, so I cut my losses and traded it in.

Many years later and I am still dying to play Ninja Gaiden :lol: I can name at least 5 games on the PS3 that are either out now, or will be out that I want to play (when I do end up buying it, probably at the end of the summer), and 5 games in the future that look interesting, and that's pretty much the only litmus test I use when determining whether to buy a system or not.

The $500 model is pretty much impossible to find though, correct?
 
[quote name='DJSteel']i actually love crackdown.. it's one of my favorite 360 games.. i'm one of the few that hasn't bought the game just for the demo... and believe me the friend who decided to use the towel call their support around 7-8 times to get the to send him a box and they screwed that up.[/quote]

I had no intention of buying it because I didn't like the game but wanted the beta. Then I fell into a new copy for $10 - which was close enough to a rental, so I bit. I'm sure many used copies will start flooding the market after the beta too. So, some people did pay for it... Others that were on the fence about it, I'm sure were swayed by the beta also.

Point is, it's still down. Hardware, beta issues? Scary...
 
[quote name='Roufuss']The $500 model is pretty much impossible to find though, correct?[/quote]

Yes since they discontinued the sku, it is harder to find but NOT impossible. Keep searching...
 
[quote name='nonggame']so you're saying that you need to ask mommy and daddy money to buy PS3 LOL.
The DS might be better for you ^__^; DOn't you want to play Pokemon with your friend ?[/QUOTE]

Funny, when I read his comments I assumed he meant wife/kids. As in, it would be selfish to buy another $400+ console for himself when he has other family members... But maybe that's just my bias ;). Of course, I will probably buy a PS3 eventually (to add to my Wii and 360).

I'm actually holding off on a few multiplatform games like Oblivion because I may want to play them on the PS3 instead of the 360 just due to the drive noise. That will absolutely KILL a mood game like Oblivion. It's OK on stuff like Burnout which is loud anyway, but man, that thing (DVD drive) is a beast. Achievements are nice, though, so there's a conflict there between drive noise and geek points ;).

The problem is, the 65 nm (cooler) chips won't help one damn bit - it's all the drive (they may help with reliability though). When I play XBLA stuff my Elite is as quiet as can be (very minor fan noises and louder than the GC and Wii to be sure, but not bad at all). In fact, I could see using it entirely for XBLA stuff and thus being TOTALLY dependent on downloadable content :rofl:.

My only problem with the PS3 DLC is that there will never be any ways to get the games and content cheaply like you can with the Wii and 360 (in that you can get points cards with coupons or trade-in credit).

Anyway, I'll get a PS3 much like I got a 360 - when there are a decent amount of cheap (sub-$20) games and maybe a new model out. I bought 16 games for the 360, all new, for prices anywhere from $1.99 to $16. I would have liked to wait for a price drop on the system itself, but I also had 2 1-year XBL cards that I got dirt cheap that needed to be used by June so I had that factor to consider...
 
[quote name='DJSteel']yes I understand that.. but I'm not paying to play online AND having to deal with the microtransactions..[/QUOTE]

I only read the first three pages of this thread, so someone might have brought this point up.

If that's the ONLY reason you're considering switching (no clue if you're interesting in exclusives of BR), and you were to SOMEHOW get full price value for your console, you'd have to own and play the PS3 for four more years (or two if you get the discontinued SKU) before you even break even...assuming you pay $50 a year for Xbox Live Gold. If you can't get $400 for your 360 or if you're like half of the CAG population and can find a year's subscription to Live for
 
[quote name='vinhjdao']I only read the first three pages of this thread, so someone might have brought this point up.

If that's the ONLY reason you're considering switching (no clue if you're interesting in exclusives of BR), and you were to SOMEHOW get full price value for your console, you'd have to own and play the PS3 for four more years (or two if you get the discontinued SKU) before you even break even...assuming you pay $50 a year for Xbox Live Gold. If you can't get $400 for your 360 or if you're like half of the CAG population and can find a year's subscription to Live for
 
[quote name='io']Funny, when I read his comments I assumed he meant wife/kids. As in, it would be selfish to buy another $400+ console for himself when he has other family members... But maybe that's just my bias ;). Of course, I will probably buy a PS3 eventually (to add to my Wii and 360).

I'm actually holding off on a few multiplatform games like Oblivion because I may want to play them on the PS3 instead of the 360 just due to the drive noise. That will absolutely KILL a mood game like Oblivion. It's OK on stuff like Burnout which is loud anyway, but man, that thing (DVD drive) is a beast.

The problem is, the 65 nm (cooler) chips won't help one damn bit - it's all the drive (they may help with reliability though). When I play XBLA stuff my Elite is as quiet as can be (very minor fan noises and louder than the GC and Wii to be sure, but not bad at all). In fact, I could see using it entirely for XBLA stuff and thus being TOTALLY dependent on downloadable content :rofl:.

My only problem with the PS3 DLC is that there will never be any ways to get the games and content cheaply like you can with the Wii and 360 (in that you can get points cards with coupons or trade-in credit).

Anyway, I'll get a PS3 much like I got a 360 - when there are a decent amount of cheap (sub-$20) games and maybe a new model out. I bought 16 games for the 360, all new, for prices anywhere from $1.99 to $16. I would have liked to wait for a price drop on the system itself, but I also had 2 1-year XBL cards that I got dirt cheap that needed to be used by June so I had that factor to consider...[/quote]
no you are right... I have a wife and i just bought a house.. if I use that money to get a ps3 without putting the money towards the bills or the house I would be selfish..
 
I am a family man with wife, kids and house. Time and cost play abig factor in my console choices. Granted I only work 2 days a week, but house work and kids take my time away for games. I chose the 360 because it already has cheap games for it. My daughter has a Wii, because of the family factor with it. Keep the 360. If you sell/trade it now, you will still have to pay money out of your pocket. Or take the money you would spend on a PS3 and get a Wii.
 
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