I'm glad I don't live in San Francisco anymore

I would rather live where there is same-sex partners then where a bunch of mothafuckas have guns. Once you've been held up or shot at, I'm sure your opinion will change.
 
In theory i think this isn't a bad thing... But 'if guns are banned only crimainals will have guns' seriously i don't think this will make general crime decrease (burgluries, muggings etc) but will cut down on the number of "crimes of passion" and probably suicides too...

as far as marring a man... who gives a fuck if two men can get married? how does that affect you? if they want to get married whos to say they shouldn't?
 
[quote name='Vampyre611']In theory i think this isn't a bad thing... But 'if guns are banned only crimainals will have guns' seriously i don't think this will make general crime decrease (burgluries, muggings etc) but will cut down on the number of "crimes of passion" and probably suicides too...

as far as marring a man... who gives a fuck if two men can get married? how does that affect you? if they want to get married whos to say they shouldn't?[/QUOTE]
That and I imagine it will cut down on the number of gun-related accidents.
 
[quote name='Vampyre611']...but will cut down on the number of "crimes of passion" [/QUOTE]
Now there will just be "crimes of fabulousness"!
 
I suddenly feel as if a million voices cried out in anguish and then were suddenly silenced. The Force tells me this belongs in Vs.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm a Navy brat and troop-supporter, but the military defends our first amendment rights from whom? Any threats to our rights come from within our country. And though we're the current Rome, I don't see our "democratic"-republic/empire falling apart any time soon. The military won us our liberty, but that same freedom to express your concerns is the only thing threatening to dibilitate our country.

I don't see anything outside of annoying phone calls being worth disallowing military recruiters off campus. People should also realize that aside from having the right to say what they want, they also have the right to ignore things, too (within legal reason, of course). And while I'm for gun control, outright banning is against the second amendment. Local law cannot supercede federal law.

I find these new developments, as well as your claim about military defending free speech, ludicrous.
 
What does gun ownershipand fucking a man have to do with eachother????

The only people who have trouble with the gay marriage thing are the people who are afraid they might fall for a dude.

I'm fine with it. Just like we don't have straight people getting it on in front of us, the gays shouldn't be getting it on in front of us. It's just rude. Do whatever the hell you want in your private home. WTF do I (should I) care?
 
Wait... the militrary defends our freedom of speech????!!! Then why won't they let the news report on the war? Why are they disiplining soilders who blog? Why no embedded journalist on the front line? Why in in New Orleans are they smashing cameras?
 
[quote name='shawagg']What does gun ownershipand fucking a man have to do with eachother????

[/QUOTE]


Either way "shots" will be fired.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
[quote name='shawagg']What does gun ownershipand fucking a man have to do with eachother????

The only people who have trouble with the gay marriage thing are the people who are afraid they might fall for a dude.

I'm fine with it. Just like we don't have straight people getting it on in front of us, the gays shouldn't be getting it on in front of us. It's just rude. Do whatever the hell you want in your private home. WTF do I (should I) care?[/QUOTE]

Gays get it on in front of you?
 
[quote name='shawagg']What does gun ownershipand fucking a man have to do with eachother? [/quote]

that's what I'm wondering.

I'm fine with it. Just like we don't have straight people getting it on in front of us, the gays shouldn't be getting it on in front of us. It's just rude. Do whatever the hell you want in your private home. WTF do I (should I) care?

the gay women can. if they're hot. hotness will be measured on a level determined by members of specific districts. nope, no double standards here. :lol:
 
[quote name='rallen']You can't own a gun, but you can marry a man?[/QUOTE]

You're right. Men are such jerks... nobody should be allowed to marry them.
 
The only people who have trouble with the gay marriage thing are the people who are afraid they might fall for a dude.


that is a matter of opinion...there are people that have a huge problem with it, people the don't care, and people that practice it....as well as a wide variety of opinion in between those central points....each unto his own
 
[quote name='Vampyre611']as far as marring a man... who gives a fuck if two men can get married? how does that affect you? if they want to get married whos to say they shouldn't?[/QUOTE]

If we just let consenting adults get married whomever they want to, next we'll have white men marrying black women and vice versa. That's just not right, it offends me on some strange level (maybe god forbids it.. I forget), and should therefore not be legal.
 
Personally, I don't see the advantage of getting married, especially if I was a gay man. Why settle for one cock when I could get as much as well as a wide variety of cock as I want? I'm not against gay marriage. I'm against marriage in general. :lol:
 
[quote name='dafunkk12']Hahahahaha. Bear arms![/QUOTE]
ooohhhhhh. Now I get it. Where's that from again?
*sidenote, I live in Ohio where we have a concealed carry law and no one's been killed/shot because of it(gang related murders remain the same. Dayton is a mean city). That'll change when I get my permit and someone beats me in minature golf :evil:
 
I live near San Francisco. I think this law will fail. If you want to ban guns (or at least a type of gun), you need to do it systematically- Meaning the whole country, not just 1 city.

The intentions are honorable though. I'll give them that.
 
[quote name='dafunkk12'] And though we're the current Rome, I don't see our "democratic"-republic/empire falling apart any time soon. [/QUOTE]


As of lately, we haven't amassed too many friends around the globe. The Middle East, Africa, and now Latin America isn't too keen on the old USA. Shit, most of Europe is sick of us, also. Our republic currently rests on one natural resourse- oil. If that goes, shit will go down here. I expect this to happen within the next 30 years or so. So things WILL fall apart, soon.

And what bother Fundamental Islam (Centered in the Middle East, but now spreading through Africa) about the US? Our 'liberal' values. We have pornography, women running around half naked, Howard Stern and countless other 'evils'. Most countries are tired of the exportation of US-Culture abroad. Some week to silence us. How? Terrorism is one way. One former CIA OP said that $1.00 of every barrel of Saudi crude is spent on terroism on America. Why? they don't like our 'speech'

So whoever protects this country protects all our rights, too. Including the 2nd ammendment.

As for the marriage bit; I was only joking. I don't care if you marry your dog, as long as you contribute to society.
 
[quote name='rallen']And what bother Fundamental Islam (Centered in the Middle East, but now spreading through Africa) about the US? Our 'liberal' values. We have pornography, women running around half naked, Howard Stern and countless other 'evils'. Most countries are tired of the exportation of US-Culture abroad. Some week to silence us. How? Terrorism is one way. One former CIA OP said that $1.00 of every barrel of Saudi crude is spent on terroism on America. Why? they don't like our 'speech'[/QUOTE]

Which is why al-qaeda has blown up all of Sweden and Switzerland.

Truly, you're a bag of fucking hammers.
 
[quote name='LiquidNight']I fucking hate how 50% of the US are just as stupid as the OP[/QUOTE]
:applause:

Whats so bad about not owning a gun... Less killings.

And whats so wrong about gay marriage? How does it affect you as an individual?
 
[quote name='2poor']that would be cool if it was a shirt.[/QUOTE]

Thats what its from.
Either threadless or the one with the Greece shirt
 
my bum smells like poop. also, i don't like the idea of gay marriage. not for my sake, but for the kids sake. if they grow up thinking this is normal/acceptable, our country will continue its slide into the gutter. i don't know about you but my gut instinct just tells me that gay couples are fucked up.
 
[quote name='thagoat']my bum smells like poop. also, i don't like the idea of gay marriage. not for my sake, but for the kids sake. if they grow up thinking this is normal/acceptable, our country will continue its slide into the gutter. i don't know about you but my gut instinct just tells me that gay couples are fucked up.[/QUOTE]

Not to sound too much like an ass but it doesn't really matter what your gut tells you. it is not the place of the government to regulate morality (when there is no direct violation of rights) Saying homosexuals can't get married is like saying that Jew's can't own stores and i hope we all know where that lead...
 
[quote name='thagoat']my bum smells like poop. also, i don't like the idea of gay marriage. not for my sake, but for the kids sake. if they grow up thinking this is normal/acceptable, our country will continue its slide into the gutter. i don't know about you but my gut instinct just tells me that gay couples are fucked up.[/QUOTE]

Not to sound too much like an ass but it doesn't really matter what your gut tells you. it is not the place of the government to regulate morality (when there is no direct violation of rights) Saying homosexuals can't get married is like saying that Jew's can't own stores and i hope we all know where that lead...
 
[quote name='thagoat']my bum smells like poop. also, i don't like the idea of gay marriage. not for my sake, but for the kids sake. if they grow up thinking this is normal/acceptable, our country will continue its slide into the gutter. i don't know about you but my gut instinct just tells me that gay couples are fucked up.[/QUOTE]

I've always trusted science, but I have to respect gut instincts. My gut instincts tell me your a jackass, and I oppose jackass marriages. Think of the children!
 
[quote name='Vampyre611']Not to sound too much like an fuckbucket but it doesn't really matter what your gut tells you. it is not the place of the government to regulate morality (when there is no direct violation of rights) Saying homosexuals can't get married is like saying that Jew's can't own stores and i hope we all know where that lead...[/QUOTE]
but there is direct violations of laws. and our court system lets all this b.s. slide because they are watching the same screwed up internet porno that the rest of the country is watching. if you hear a cat "bark" 100 times, you're gonna thinks its normal after a while. if you see a bunch of chicks diking out 100's of times, it'll have the same effect. it's desensitizing. but just because something isn't shocking anymore, it doesn't mean it's o.k. you know damn well that all the wheels aren't turning in those gay heads of theirs. something is "off".
 
[quote name='thagoat']but there is direct violations of laws. and our court system lets all this b.s. slide because they are watching the same screwed up internet porno that the rest of the country is watching. if you hear a cat "bark" 100 times, you're gonna thinks its normal after a while. if you see a bunch of chicks diking out 100's of times, it'll have the same effect. it's desensitizing. but just because something isn't shocking anymore, it doesn't mean it's o.k. you know damn well that all the wheels aren't turning in those gay heads of theirs. something is "off".[/QUOTE]

What's the difference who you have sex with? They're consenting adults. Whether a vagina or a penis turns me on it doesn't matter or change anything. Homosexuals just are attracted to different people than heterosexuals.

And, considering scientific studies have repeatedly shown nothing wrong with them, to keep insisting something is mentally wrong (and saying things like "you know damn well") with them is just refusal to accept reality.

Also, what laws are being broken? Homosexual sex is legal in every state and is a right according to the supreme court. The constitution does not define marriage as between a man and a woman either, and any state that has a constitution that does not then no laws are violated, in fact many argue (such as the judges on the massachusetts supreme court) that denying homosexuals the right to marry would be illegal.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I've always trusted science, but I have to respect gut instincts. My gut instincts tell me your a jackass, and I oppose jackass marriages. Think of the children![/QUOTE]
:rofl:
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']What's the difference who you have sex with? They're consenting adults. Whether a vagina or a penis turns me on it doesn't matter or change anything. Homosexuals just are attracted to different people than heterosexuals.

And, considering scientific studies have repeatedly shown nothing wrong with them, to keep insisting something is mentally wrong (and saying things like "you know damn well") with them is just refusal to accept reality.

Also, what laws are being broken? Homosexual sex is legal in every state and is a right according to the supreme court. The constitution does not define marriage as between a man and a woman either, and any state that has a constitution that does not then no laws are violated, in fact many argue (such as the judges on the massachusetts supreme court) that denying homosexuals the right to marry would be illegal.[/QUOTE]
number 1. show me any reliable scientific studies. number 2. homosexual sex is not legal in every state. number 3. sodomy is illegal in quite a few states. number 4. same sex marriage is illegal, thats why they are fighting to make it legal. number 5. say what ya want, but its still fucked up!
 
[quote name='thagoat']number 1. show me any reliable scientific studies. number 2. homosexual sex is not legal in every state. number 3. sodomy is illegal in quite a few states. number 4. same sex marriage is illegal, thats why they are fighting to make it legal. number 5. say what ya want, but its still fucked up![/QUOTE]

You don't get much more reliable than these guys for mental illness, from the american psychological association:

Is Homosexuality a Mental Illness or Emotional Problem?

No. Psychologists, psychiatrists and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, mental disorder or an emotional problem. Over 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that homosexuality, in and itself,is not associated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems. Homosexuality was once thought to be a mental illness because mental health professionals and society had biased information. In the past the studies of gay, lesbian and bisexual people involved only those in therapy, thus biasing the resulting conclusions. When researchers examined data about these people who were not in therapy, the idea that homosexuality was a mental illness was quickly found to be untrue.

In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the importance of the new, better designed research and removed homosexuality from the official manual that lists mental and emotional disorders. Two years later, the American Psychological Association passed a resolution supporting the removal. For more than 25 years, both associations have urged all mental health professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness that some people still associate with homosexual orientation.

and on parenting:

Can Lesbians, Gay Men, and Bisexuals Be Good Parents?

Yes. Studies comparing groups of children raised by homosexual and by heterosexual parents find no developmental differences between the two groups of children in four critical areas: their intelligence, psychological adjustment, social adjustment, and popularity with friends. It is also important to realize that a parent's sexual orientation does not dictate his or her children's.

Another myth about homosexuality is the mistaken belief that gay men have more of a tendency than heterosexual men to sexually molest children. There is no evidence to suggest that homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to molest children.

http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/answers.html#whatis

Gay marriage is legal in massachusetts. I did not say its legal in most states or in california (though the legislature voted for it, though arnold vetoed it). But, even Schwarzeneger said that the courts need to decide the constitutionality of banning same sex marriage. I said many argue that in states that do not define marriage as between a man and a woman, banning gay marriage would be unconstitutional (as was decided in massachusetts). That is the big reason there is a rush to change many state constitutions, because any law banning same sex marriage is unlikely to stand up in court without an amendment banning it to those constitutions. If those who can marry are not defined in the constitution, then there is nothing prevent any consenting adult to enter into it, at least once the courts get ahold of it.

Enforcement of any existing laws banning sodomy or homosexual sex are unconstitutional. Unenforcable laws often remain in place to illustrate this interracial marriage was illegal in alabama until 2000, and south carolina until 1998, but those laws could not be enforced. Many states also have laws banning abortion, but they cannot be enforced.

And here you can read about how the supreme court rules sodomy laws and banning homosexual sex to be unconstitutional:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/26/scotus.sodomy/

If you want to argue politics, try not to get every point wrong.
 
Thank you alonzo for doing the research that i wouldn't have.


[quote name='thagoat']number 5. say what ya want, but its still fucked up![/QUOTE]

Ya know what's really fucked up? people living in the 21st centurey with a 16th century mindset. Ahh it's different!! i don't like it!... it's not natural blacks shouldn't read... women who want to vote aren't women... maybe youre fucked up. have you ever met a homosexual? they aren't that different from you or me. maybe that's what you think is fucked up, because you see how similar they are as people and it scares you.
 
[quote name='thagoat']but there is direct violations of laws. and our court system lets all this b.s. slide because they are watching the same screwed up internet porno that the rest of the country is watching. if you hear a cat "bark" 100 times, you're gonna thinks its normal after a while. if you see a bunch of chicks diking out 100's of times, it'll have the same effect. it's desensitizing. but just because something isn't shocking anymore, it doesn't mean it's o.k. you know damn well that all the wheels aren't turning in those gay heads of theirs. something is "off".[/QUOTE]

That's some pretty convincing evidence that homosexuality is wrong.

You know, you really ought to write editorials for anti-homosexual organizations, you're just so cogent, and you seem to know the issues thoroughly.

You're not like the others, who seem to rely on assumptions, eggagerations, and hyperbole.

Not to mention banal analogies.
 
why has this topic turned into personal attacks...the op stated his opinion, last I checked it is ok to have a different point of view. Yes I agree that homosexual marriage doesn't do anything to me personally, but I can understand the point of view that they find it offensive and don't want it to become an accepted practice. Both sides make valid arguments, so why does it need to turn into, comments like, my gut tells me that your a jackass, or something is not working in there gay heads
(don't take it personal, as both sides have been talking shit, but this comment struck me as not necessary). Usually when discussions turn to that it is coming from someone that is losing. For myself, I am against homosexual marriage, yes I have friends and family that are in gay relationships, but my beliefs system doesn't accept that lifestyle. I am not mean to them, I don't get upset/quesy around them, but we just differ in opinion on the subject. That being said, i don't find it is the gov't role to make decisions. Being a coservative Republicain, I am against big gov't, and the gov't over stepping there boundries. They are there to protect and serve imo, that is it. Personal lifestyle topics do not belong in the realm of politics.
 
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