I'm going to rent Rez and then "lose" it.

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[quote name='camoor']You want to be an obedient lap-dog to big business like the whiners in this thread for your whole life?[/QUOTE]

I don't see how reading terms and conditions is being "an obedient lap-dog."

In the case of Blockbuster, as soon as I saw a pamphlet stating "no more late fees" I picked it up and read the entire thing. That's common sense. It's just stupid to think you can keep a movie forever.

In my opinion, what Blockbuster is doing now is fine and dandy. I can rent a movie and keep it for two weeks without being charged any fees. (Note that I don't rent movies often so I don't know what the exact numbers are.)
 
[quote name='heffaji']It amazes me how nearly the entire board will lambast someone for pulling the Wal-Mart scam while thinking this is ok.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree, like prison....forums have their own set of fucked up morals...

In prison, a person who's murdered 14 people will kill a man cause he raped a 19 year old woman...

Same rules apply here, Some person will get reemed for taking a game back to Wal-mart for using the Wal-mart scam, but then everyone will support some people taking a list of $5 dollar CC games to gamestop or EB and try to price match it with some new guy (Neither Price Match)....The new guy will be on the shit list for months working off the 8 Marvel vs Capcom 2's he sold to some asshole CAG who knew they dont PM....When I worked at Gamestop someone from CAG did that and that guy got fired...(Too bad too, he was down on his luck, had a few kids and wife to tell he lost his job when he lost his other job 2 weeks prior (Car Wash) because of a water drout.

And thats how I heard of CAG.

Personally, I dont give a shit how some of these "Lets rip off the man!" threads end, and I'm not gonna tell you thats wrong to do...

But all the people who tell you thats wrong to do, tell them to shut the fuck up for being such a elitist, hypocritical asshole.
 
[quote name='camoor']Why don't you grow up and realize that you are being lied to by corporations and the corporation-controlled congress / faith-based neo-con agenda that runs the new America. Bill has sure done something with his life - supressing useful technologies in favor of his mundane cookie-cutter bug-ridden Windows software. Spread FUD and prosper is Micro$oft's mantra.

Wow, Bill donated less then 1/100000 of his fortune to a charity. Color me unimpressed.[/QUOTE]

As far as donating the computers go....He did that for the good of people, but also because now these kids learn and know only how to use Windows PCs. Meaning, when they get successful enough to buy a PC, they'll by one running Windows.

But seriously, it was cool of him to give poor kids a chance to catch up with the rest of the world....

But if he really gave a shit, he would support Red Cross.
 
I don't condone either of them on any level, but there's one difference between this and the Wal-Mart scam. One is illegal. This is just immoral. How immoral? That's up to you to decide.
 
I don't see what the big deal is. The fee they're charging is if you don't return the game, regardless of the reason. If the game is stolen, spontaneously combusts, or kept beyond a certain amount of time after the return date, the fee has to be paid. You don't even have to lie. Just as long as you pay all the associated fees, there shouldn't be any problem.

Camoor, unless you are posting from a cave somewhere in the desert, on a Linux machine, built from rocks and other spare materials and powered by gerbil power, you are a hypocrite.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']As far as donating the computers go....He did that for the good of people, but also because now these kids learn and know only how to use Windows PCs. Meaning, when they get successful enough to buy a PC, they'll by one running Windows.

But seriously, it was cool of him to give poor kids a chance to catch up with the rest of the world....

But if he really gave a shit, he would support Red Cross.[/QUOTE]


Well, him and his wife started their own foundation that has raised close to a billion, does that count?
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']As far as donating the computers go....He did that for the good of people, but also because now these kids learn and know only how to use Windows PCs. Meaning, when they get successful enough to buy a PC, they'll by one running Windows.

But seriously, it was cool of him to give poor kids a chance to catch up with the rest of the world....

But if he really gave a shit, he would support Red Cross.[/QUOTE]

Thats just the kind of charity all B. Gates would do until very recently.

Like I said, I'm not too impressed with his new charity drive either.
 
[quote name='Apossum']Well, him and his wife started their own foundation that has raised close to a billion, does that count?[/QUOTE]

Bill Gates is worth 29 Billion dollars. He raised (not spent out of his own pocket) 1 billion for charity. Well, WHOPEDY DOOOOO
 
[quote name='camoor']Bill Gates is worth 29 Billion dollars. He raised (not spent out of his own pocket) 1 billion for charity. Well, WHOPEDY DOOOOO[/QUOTE]

More than most people....You probably make close to 30,000 a year...have you given $1,000 to charity yet?
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']More than most people....You probably make close to 30,000 a year...have you given $1,000 to charity yet?[/QUOTE]

Someone who has 30,000 is on the poor side of blue-collar and, if they have a family, probably qualify to receive some charity money.

It should not be a straight percentage comparison, because Bill Gates does not need to decide between giving to charity and getting a new dishwasher.

Legally he can hoard his cash all he wants, that doesn't make it morally right.
 
Returning to the OP's issue, I'm curious and want to ask those who think renting and "losing" the game is perfectly OK a question.

The question is, would it be OK to do this to a friend or even someone you just know? That is, the friend has something you both value. The friend may be rich and have more than one of these items. You offer to buy one but the friend says no, it's not for sale. You ask to borrow it knowing you don't intend to return it and the person lends it to you in good faith. You "lose" it and are willing to pay the friend what it would cost to replace the item, assuming it was available. (If it was available why wouldn't you just buy it yourself, btw?).

To me, not returning the item looks like you stole it from the friend even if money changes hands. I know I would feel that way if I was the friend and it was my "something" you failed to return. Would anyone disagree?

Anyway, second question: If it's not OK to do it to a friend (or for a friend to do to you), why is it OK to do to a business?
 
[quote name='CheapyMom']

Anyway, second question: If it's not OK to do it to a friend (or for a friend to do to you), why is it OK to do to a business?[/QUOTE]


Because the business isn't your friend or someone you care about and some of us couldn't give a fuck what happens to most bussiness'

I don't rent movies from either Hollywood or Blockbuster so if they go out of business I don't care, some other rental company will just take their place anyways and it's not like working at a rental store is a high paying job, anyone laid off will surely be able to either find something better or just move on to another minimum wage job.
 
I think "renting the game" is not completely bad except that it is stealing and the minimal fee you are paying does not cover the cost to replace the game or how much was initially paid for it... Plus, because its Rez, no one else would get to play a good game unless they could find it somewhere else... sorry ifthis has been said but i didnt feel like reading through 6 pages.
 
[quote name='clockworkvictim']... sorry ifthis has been said but i didnt feel like reading through 6 pages.[/QUOTE]Ditto.



Pros:
You get the Rez disc (no way in hell they are giving you the case and manual)

Cons:
Nobody else gets to rent it as the store will never be able to replace it
You have to lie to get the game


I'm sure if you pay attention, you can find a complete copy for $50 somewhere.
 
[quote name='camoor']Someone who has 30,000 is on the poor side of blue-collar and, if they have a family, probably qualify to receive some charity money.

It should not be a straight percentage comparison, because Bill Gates does not need to decide between giving to charity and getting a new dishwasher.

Legally he can hoard his cash all he wants, that doesn't make it morally right.[/QUOTE]

Nice way to sidestep the question. $30K a year is about entry level salary straight ouf of college (depending on the major). I'm sure a lot of kids would love to get some charity right after graduating.

[quote name='"CheapyMom"']To me, not returning the item looks like you stole it from the friend even if money changes hands. I know I would feel that way if I was the friend and it was my "something" you failed to return. Would anyone disagree?

Anyway, second question: If it's not OK to do it to a friend (or for a friend to do to you), why is it OK to do to a business?[/quote]

I guess it's easier to do it to a business or a faceless 'evil' corporation because its not personal. OTOH, if you take from a friend, its apparent how the loss affects them. I wouldn't personally do that to a friend, because of the fact they're my friend. However, on second glance, if someone did that to a friend, it's conceivable that lies would have to be made, and that's where the moral complexity comes in.

If he is able to pay for the game AND not lie about it, then ethically he should be alright.
 
What I don't understand is if you think Blockbuster or Microsoft are evil and terrible, then why do business with them? No one is FORCING you to rent movies or use Windows.
 
Bill Gates is worth 29 Billion dollars. He raised (not spent out of his own pocket) 1 billion for charity. Well, WHOPEDY DOOOOO
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way to minimize... see, it doesn't really matter if the money came from osama bin laden, saddam hussein or gw, 1 billion dollars to charity is too good of a thing to worry about it's source.
 
[quote name='Apossum']way to minimize... see, it doesn't really matter if the money came from osama bin laden, saddam hussein or gw, 1 billion dollars to charity is too good of a thing to worry about it's source.[/QUOTE]

Great, more "ends justify the means" thinkers. Just what this country needs.
 
I was expecting this topic to drop off the front page, I can't believe you guys kept this going for 6 pages talking about Bill Gates.

Anyway, it's perfectly legal, and the fee is there as a replacement fee. Regardless of the reason you lost it. Someone else can't rent the copy I bought? Oh no, there is another copy on the shelf. They can rent that. They don't need to rent both copies to play the game. Second, there was a guy above that asked if I would do this to a friend. And in order to make your analogy balanced, I'm going to state that I would never be seeing this friend again for some reason, since I've never been to this crappy rental store down in the ghetto before, and I don't plan on going there ever again. Well if a friend had something I wanted, and he was going away, I don't see a problem with keeping it and paying him whatever his price is for it.

You people are way too concerned with what other people are doing. Especially when it is morally fine and completely legal. You're just twisting words and scouring to find ways to make you look right. But the problem is, you aren't. There is nothing wrong with doing this. Nothing at all.
 
[quote name='ngamer007']SNIP...Second, there was a guy above that asked if I would do this to a friend...SNIP
You people are way too concerned with what other people are doing. Especially when it is morally fine and completely legal. You're just twisting words and scouring to find ways to make you look right. But the problem is, you aren't. There is nothing wrong with doing this. Nothing at all.[/QUOTE] I'm curious, why did you post it here if you don't want feedback.
Also, in the future, try to refrain from calling my mom, "a guy". ;)
 
[quote name='camoor']Great, more "ends justify the means" thinkers. Just what this country needs.[/QUOTE]

when it comes to charities, yeah, i think this way. but not in much else. it's not all black and white ya know.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']I'm curious, why did you post it here if you don't want feedback.
Also, in the future, try to refrain from calling my mom, "a guy". ;)[/QUOTE]

I wish I had one of those 'Pwned' pictures now...
 
[quote name='CheapyD']I'm curious, why did you post it here if you don't want feedback.
Also, in the future, try to refrain from calling my mom, "a guy". ;)[/QUOTE]
lol
 
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