In the Abramoff test of "Fair and Balanced," O'Reilly and Hannity fail

[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Who the fuck is Gerbels?

I really love it when people, who aren't smart, try and act smart.

Joseph Goebbels was the Nazi Minister of Propganda. What is you indigent!?!? :rofl:[/QUOTE]

Funny how you only jump in when I make a spelling mistake for the most part, granted I don't really remember his name as much as the pronounciation since I never see his name in print, rather spoken so I chose to write it up as I heard it spoken. You obviously could pick up his name from my writing so I got my point across. Also quite amusing you would equate someone's spelling of words to their intelligence though one can be intelligent and not a prime candidate for a Spelling Bee. However I will say it's annoying to wade through the drek some people post.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Your problem is you see things in a way that if someone already did something wrong from an opposing political viewpoint, it's okay for "your" side to do the same. Although I'm sure you wouldn't waste any time in ripping into Bush for pardoning someone like Marc Rich, for example. Or maybe that's a bad example since I'm sure you wouldn't waste any time ripping into Bush regardless of what he does.[/QUOTE]

I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy in your statement, in which you're bemoaning the possibility that the press is going to take after some Republicans prior to indictments. The press goes after anybody when blood is in the water -- the only surprise to me is how docile they've been during the Bush administration.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Funny how you only jump in when I make a spelling mistake for the most part...[/QUOTE]

That is PAD's game, now that you made a spelling mistake expect to see it ridiculed in two to three unrelated threads whenever you say something. It's the old 'flip-flopper' tactic that he learned from his "talking points" superiors. However I do find it funny that even happy-head weenies like Alonzo aren't immune to falling for it.
 
No, I think the argument that there is a legitimate reason to call bush a nazi or hitler is ridiculous. It wasn't as if I viewed it as a quality argument, but then gerbel is so close to gerbil I immediately thought of a nazi gerbil. And I love gerbils.
 
[quote name='camoor']That is PAD's game, now that you made a spelling mistake expect to see it ridiculed in two to three unrelated threads whenever you say something. It's the old 'flip-flopper' tactic that he learned from his "talking points" superiors. However I do find it funny that even happy-head weenies like Alonzo aren't immune to falling for it.[/QUOTE]

When you make a spelling mistake of that magnitude, it lends itself to being interpreted as you don't really know what the hell you're talking about in the first place. And that was a pretty benign trouncing. PAD had a pretty large license on that one but I actually thought he laid it on fairly softly. What's more funny is that it's usually you liberals who single out spelling errors when you can't refute an actual argument. But your typical attack of accusing your enemies of doing the exact same thing you do is a textbook liberal tactic. Tom Daschle would be proud, he was the master.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']When you make a spelling mistake of that magnitude, it lends itself to being interpreted as you don't really know what the hell you're talking about in the first place. And that was a pretty benign trouncing. PAD had a pretty large license on that one but I actually thought he laid it on fairly softly. What's more funny is that it's usually you liberals who single out spelling errors when you can't refute an actual argument. But your typical attack of accusing your enemies of doing the exact same thing you do is a textbook liberal tactic. Tom Daschle would be proud, he was the master.[/QUOTE]

Using catchphrases such as "you liberals" and making sweeping generalizations that have little basis in fact? You've taken up the tactics of the conservative bandwagon, and here I thought you were an independent libertarian BMuls ;)
 
[quote name='camoor']Using catchphrases such as "you liberals" and making sweeping generalizations that have little basis in fact? You've taken up the tactics of the conservative bandwagon, and here I thought you were an independent libertarian BMuls ;)[/QUOTE]

I wonder what he thinks I am. I'm usually am one of "you liberals" (by you, PAD and mulligan I seem to be viewed as the most stereotypical liberal), but I seem to be arguing against "you liberals" here. Hell you even accused me of joing PAD! Kinda questions his generalizations, doesn't it?
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I wonder what he thinks I am. I'm usually am one of "you liberals" (by you, PAD and mulligan I seem to be viewed as the most stereotypical liberal), but I seem to be arguing against "you liberals" here. Hell you even accused me of joing PAD! Kinda questions his generalizations, doesn't it?[/QUOTE]

Well, I think very few people are truly two-dimensional liberals or conservatives, it's just the way we have been conditioned to think in the United States. You're up in Canada, do people identify others along the lines drawn by the three party system?
 
[quote name='camoor']Using catchphrases such as "you liberals" and making sweeping generalizations that have little basis in fact? You've taken up the tactics of the conservative bandwagon, and here I thought you were an independent libertarian BMuls ;)[/QUOTE]

I am an independent but I still don't like liberals. They don't like me either because I'm independent and don't need them.

If your offended by my inclusion of you in the 'liberals' catagory, I apologize. It's just so much easier to group all of you PAD haters into one convenient catagory with a catchy sounding label.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']I am an independent but I still don't like liberals. They don't like me either because I'm independent and don't need them.

If your offended by my inclusion of you in the 'liberals' catagory, I apologize. It's just so much easier to group all of you PAD haters into one convenient catagory with a catchy sounding label.[/QUOTE]

Meaning that you are a member of the group that loves the way PAD argues his points and collects 90% of his postings from NewsMax and Limbaugh?
 
[quote name='bmulligan']I am an independent but I still don't like liberals. They don't like me either because I'm independent and don't need them.

If your offended by my inclusion of you in the 'liberals' catagory, I apologize. It's just so much easier to group all of you PAD haters into one convenient catagory with a catchy sounding label.[/QUOTE]

Why would a PAD hater be laughing at his remarks attacking a liberal?

Well, I think very few people are truly two-dimensional liberals or conservatives, it's just the way we have been conditioned to think in the United States. You're up in Canada, do people identify others along the lines drawn by the three party system?
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It's basically the same, its just liberal isn't a dirty word. Though its basically conservative/radical conservatives vs liberals vs radical liberals vs quebec seperatists. If they united the left (ndp and liberals, liberals are usually centre-right or centre-left depending on the climate, but either one is still liberal compared to here) like they did the right, then the conservative party would be screwed. But people seemed to identify less with the actual parties.
 
[quote name='camoor']Meaning that you are a member of the group that loves the way PAD argues his points and collects 90% of his postings from NewsMax and Limbaugh?[/QUOTE]


That's a great take on the Bush-ism "if you're not with us, you're against us."
Just becuase I'm not a member of the PAD haters, does't mean I'm a PAD lover by default.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']That's a great take on the Bush-ism "if you're not with us, you're against us."
Just becuase I'm not a member of the PAD haters, does't mean I'm a PAD lover by default.[/QUOTE]

See that's my point - there may be a vocal few who genuinely hate PAD, but I believe that the majority here just disagree with most of his "Islamofascist" posts and Limbaugh cut & paste jobs.
Just becuase I'm not a member of the PAD lovers, does't mean I'm a PAD hater by default.
 
He's annoying, and stupid, but he tries so hard to act like he is intelligent and in the know about politics. He does a good job of pissing people off but thats only because he is a hypocrite and a douche.
 
Nah, PAD and bmulligan provide entertainment to the board. I wish CTLesq and Scrubking would come back.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I'm a soldier, I'll kick your ass, so fuck OFF!

Unless you enjoy that, I'm not sure what benefit ctlesq provided.[/QUOTE]

:)

Don't forget his gambit of switching between being an Iraq soldier or a New York lawyer depending on what expertise the arguement required.
 
[quote name='camoor']Just becuase I'm not a member of the PAD lovers, does't mean I'm a PAD hater by default.[/QUOTE]


Um, sure, but judging from your continuous comments to and about PAD, I think we can safely say that you ARE in the aforementioned group.


[quote name='camoor']... there may be a vocal few who genuinely hate PAD, but I believe that the majority here just disagree with most of his "Islamofascist" posts and Limbaugh cut & paste jobs.
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[quote name='bmulligan']Um, sure, but judging from your continuous comments to and about PAD, I think we can safely say that you ARE in the aforementioned group.[/QUOTE]

What comments are these? I would be interested to see them, you may find one or two however I believe you will see that the vast majority of comments regarding PAD that I have made betray little emotion and stick to the arguement at hand.

For an independent, you sure are quick to categorize others based on a few policy opinion posts. I'll accept your apology on this count, in return I'd just request that you tone down your "holier then thou" bearing.
 
look who's calling the kettle black. "islamofascist" said all that needs to be said about how you feel about PAD. You are in denial. But in case you need to see more:

That is PAD's game, now that you made a spelling mistake expect to see it ridiculed in
two to three unrelated threads whenever you say something. It's the old 'flip-flopper' tactic
that he learned from his "talking points" superiors.

I know many others on this board have told you to go to hell, but I suspect that you're
already trapped in a world of your own personal torment. I know that you will take this
opportunity to flame me, but if I've caused you to pause for even a few seconds, I know it
was worth it.

You're a sadist

You enjoyed killing many people in the mideast, and were only too glad to go over under
the cover of being "a good soldier"

You take delight in the suffering of the poor and downtrodden in this country, and
applaud any measures that worsen their plight.

Surely the PAD fan club can make a better excuse for why their arguements always come
up short on this board.
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I apologize as I was wrong. Not only do you have an intense dislike bordering on hatred for PAD, but you consider anyone who appears to agree with him to be part of his fan club. Way to make a sweeping generalization as you accuse others of making sweeping generalizations. But I guess that's just a tactic you learned from your superiors. You may not be as vocal, or as blunt, or as vulgar as some of his other detractors, but you are still in the club.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']look who's calling the kettle black. "islamofascist" said all that needs to be said about how you feel about PAD. You are in denial. But in case you need to see more:



I apologize as I was wrong. Not only do you have an intense dislike bordering on hatred for PAD, but you consider anyone who appears to agree with him to be part of his fan club. Way to make a sweeping generalization as you accuse others of making sweeping generalizations. But I guess that's just a tactic you learned from your superiors. You may not be as vocal, or as blunt, or as vulgar as some of his other detractors, but you are still in the club.[/QUOTE]

PAD is the only one on this board who has said "islamofascist".

I stand by all my comments, if you read them with an objective viewpoint, I'd think you'd see that I'm putting forward theories about why his comments about islam, the poor, etc are so full of vitiriol; my comments are not blind attacks of hate and rage.

In the same vein I am curious as to what makes you tick, why you have such a blind allegiance to corporations and why 99% of the time you support more power/less regulation for these entities. I would suspect that it has something to do with the fact that you have never experienced poverty and have absolutely no compassion for what happens to someone who is less talented and further down the economic ladder then yourself. Yet in these days of Tyco, Enron and Abramoff, I am not surprised that you took a hiatus from the VS boards. Perhaps you too are beginning to see a different perspective?
 
[quote name='camoor']PAD is the only one on this board who has said "islamofascist".
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I have a similar view of the radical extremist wings of islam who wish to dominate the islamic world by terror, force, and murder. Does that put me in the PAD fan club or will you open your own mind up enough to believe I am of an independent thought?

In the same vein I am curious as to what makes you tick, why you have such a blind allegiance to corporations and why 99% of the time you support more power/less regulation for these entities.
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I don't have blind allegiences, especially not to corporations. I sinply believe in the freedom of the market and dislike the intrusion of government into areas where it doesn't belong. Unlike you who swears an allegience to government and believes it will cure all problems. Actually, that's not quite fair, I'm sorry again for sweeping you into that group. You have been, historically, a more objective observer of politics and capitalism, unlike many others here who are closet communists.

I would suspect that it has something to do with the fact that you have never experienced poverty and have absolutely no compassion for what happens to someone who is less talented and further down the economic ladder then yourself. Yet in these days of Tyco, Enron and Abramoff, I am not surprised that you took a hiatus from the VS boards. Perhaps you too are beginning to see a different perspective?
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I think you have a very tainted view of compassion and are in no position to judge or infer as to my economic status or history. Perhaps it is becuase I have experienced the low levels of the totem that I can identify with more accuracy the causes and remidies that would be most effective for those you consider to be underprivlidged. Nice try, though, to paint me with that broad gray brush you have for anyone conservative.
 
I'll stand by the label of Islamofascist as well. What else can you possibly call people that will kill you if you don't subscribe to their faith, way of life, definition of civil society and belief that the role of a religous book is the supreme law above those created by duly elected secular government representatives?

If you can come up with a better word to aptly sum up the goal of militant Islam I'm all ears.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']I'll stand by the label of Islamofascist as well. What else can you possibly call people that will kill you if you don't subscribe to their faith, way of life, definition of civil society and belief that the role of a religous book is the supreme law above those created by duly elected secular government representatives?

If you can come up with a better word to aptly sum up the goal of militant Islam I'm all ears.[/QUOTE]

I was just stating that it was not me who stood by the term or used it (except maybe to respond to you), I was not commenting on it's accuracy.

However I think if you asked any of the mainstream Muslims, they would tell you that the violent suicide bomber Muslims are as indicative of the beliefs of Islam as much as suicide Christian bombers represent the beliefs of Christianity. I understand your intent, however I think Islamofascist is a rather clumsy and easily misunderstood phrase.

In all fairness, you do have a tendency to speak of the militant muslims as if they speak for all of Islam (IE any of your "religion of peace" posts).

 
[quote name='bmulligan']I don't have blind allegiences, especially not to corporations. I sinply believe in the freedom of the market and dislike the intrusion of government into areas where it doesn't belong. Unlike you who swears an allegience to government and believes it will cure all problems. Actually, that's not quite fair, I'm sorry again for sweeping you into that group. You have been, historically, a more objective observer of politics and capitalism, unlike many others here who are closet communists.

I think you have a very tainted view of compassion and are in no position to judge or infer as to my economic status or history. Perhaps it is becuase I have experienced the low levels of the totem that I can identify with more accuracy the causes and remidies that would be most effective for those you consider to be underprivlidged. Nice try, though, to paint me with that broad gray brush you have for anyone conservative.[/QUOTE]

It was simply an educated guess. You are obviously smart, articulate, and I would guess that you have talent and a job that requires special skills. To be honest I think of you mostly as a libertarian (a term that encompasses a wide range of independent thought), I was just calling you out on using a page from Rove's playbook.

The poor, unskilled labor will always be left with the poorest social status and worst paying jobs. I just think there should be a limit set on how low their wages can be set by those in power. I believe that the internal mechanisms of corporations will operate irrespective of morality, and the government needs to act as a referree to police crimes and prevent flagrant abuse of power.

One of the biggest problems I have with most libertarians is that I almost never hear them acting as an advocate for the poor, and in an enviornment where money means power and out-of-sight is out-of-mind, I cannot help but think that the poor would just be used inhumanely as grease for the wheel of captialistic "progress".

At the same time, I always enjoy reading libertarian news sites because they are much better at identifying government waste and stupidity, and at cutting through the "bull", then any other political ideology that I know.
 
[quote name='camoor']I believe that the internal mechanisms of corporations will operate irrespective of morality, and the government needs to act as a referree to police crimes and prevent flagrant abuse of power. [/quote]

Absolutely, just like some people do. This is the purpose of government; to remedy the tresspasses over individual rights, also known as justice. I wholeheartedly agree with you on this.

One of the biggest problems I have with most libertarians is that I almost never hear them acting as an advocate for the poor, and in an enviornment where money means power and out-of-sight is out-of-mind, I cannot help but think that the poor would just be used inhumanely as grease for the wheel of captialistic "progress".
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The only thing I disagree with your view is about "the poor" as a static economic entity. There are some who are truly disadvantaged and cannot care for themselves and will permenently be in this group. There are also a lot of "poor" people who are poor for a period of time and eventually find a way to bring themselves to self-sufficiency. Then there are those who choose to be poor. It is an ever changing group of people just like the pool of the unemployed.

What the libertarians think, AFAIK, is that under a more free market economy, there will be more jobs to be filled and a better standard of living will be created for everyone under their theory of economics. But, just like the unemplyment rate, there will always be a certain percentage of "poor" people no matter what we choose to do about it governmentally.
 
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