In the eyes of time, Bush Jr. will be recognized as one of our greatest presidents

Kastides

Kastides

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to ever hold the oval office.


Big picture wise, Bush will be the man single handly responsible for spreading democracy to the middle eastern coountries as well as ensuring our rightful cut in fossil fuel. The Opium trade will have been greatly curtailed if not eradicated and people all over the world will be singing the praises of Bush.

All the Bush haters will realize that their thoughts and opinions are worthless shit and will realize that they needed someone to blame for their own social problems. Hopefully, by that time there will be medication for most of you social outcasts.

Call me Kastrodamus because this shit is going to come true.
 
You're going to be flamed to high Hell for the sole fact you hold an opinion that contradicts the majority here (and anywhere else teens and twenty-somethings congregate).

Just a warning of the blatantly obvious things to come.
 
[quote name='Kastides']to ever hold the oval office.


Big picture wise, Bush will be the man single handly responsible for spreading democracy to the middle eastern coountries as well as ensuring our rightful cut in fossil fuel. The Opium trade will have been greatly curtailed if not eradicated and people all over the world will be singing the praises of Bush.

All the Bush haters will realize that their thoughts and opinions are worthful shit and will realize that they needed someone to blame for their own social problems. Hopefully, by that time there will be medication for most of you social outcasts.

Call me Kastrodamus because this shit is going to come true.[/QUOTE]

This could happen, if every risk he's taken in office pays off.

OR......

You'll have a continued spread of Islamic fundamentalism in the Middle East (based on the fact that the Iraqis can't pass a constitution that doesn't call Islam the basis for all government).

Fossil fuel production would be hurt by the fact that we've pissed off most of the Middle East (which doesn't seem too interested in helping out our current fuel crisis).

The opium trade will be the same as it ever was, or expanded (given that opium production already has ramped back up in Afghanistan since we moved most of our troops on to Iraq).

And terrorism will continue to spread, because instead of attacking its source through a good combination of intelligence and law enforcement, we attacked a country that was not supporting terrorism and radicalized its population while leaving a good portion of our armed forces stuck in a tar pit (which we've already seen, given the terrorist attacks in London).

I've provided current examples for my potential future, Kastides. Where's your evidence that things will work out so very, very well?
 
[quote name='Kastides']to ever hold the oval office.


Big picture wise, Bush will be the man single handly responsible for spreading democracy to the middle eastern coountries as well as ensuring our rightful cut in fossil fuel. The Opium trade will have been greatly curtailed if not eradicated and people all over the world will be singing the praises of Bush.

All the Bush haters will realize that their thoughts and opinions are worthless shit and will realize that they needed someone to blame for their own social problems. Hopefully, by that time there will be medication for most of you social outcasts.

Call me Kastrodamus because this shit is going to come true.[/QUOTE]

Um..... the taliban essentially wiped out poppy production in afghanistan. Our invasion caused a resurgence in poppy production, and the fact that they sell for much more than other crops doesn't help.

I don't see what "right" we have to fossil fuel, especially if it's not on our land. And a democratic middle east will have to do what the population wants, meaning they could decide to stop selling oil to the u.s..

But, honestly, this is of a level of absurdity and self righteousness that even rush limbaugh would admire.
 
[quote name='Brak']You're going to be flamed to high Hell for the sole fact you hold an opinion that contradicts the majority here (and anywhere else teens and twenty-somethings congregate).

Just a warning of the blatantly obvious things to come.[/QUOTE]

It's not so much his opinion (though suggesting bush is among the greatest ever would get flamed), it's just done in an idiotic way and ignores some obvious realities (ie. that the taliban seriously cut poppy production).
 
Bush will never be recognized as one of the great presidents. Not a chance. He has done MANY ill-advised things. But, more importantly, he has ignored the most pressing problem facing the United States -- unchecked illegal immigration. There is simply no excuse for his (and the rest of the government's) abject failure to deal with this extremely important problem.
 
[quote name='Kastides']Big picture wise, Bush will be the man single handly responsible for spreading democracy to the middle eastern coountries[/QUOTE]

I fail to see this big picture you speak of. Spreading chaos and having no real gameplan other than "get there, conquer" isn't exactly a good way to spread democracy. I can see the Afganistan war being justified, but the Iraq war was completely unecissary. And now we have no strategy really..the soldiers just take to the streets every day with the goal of "kill more insurgents".

Iraq needed a reform or revolution, but simply attacking them isn't the right way to do it. There needed to be an uprising from within, or at least a reason to attack. I scoff at how all Bush-supporters now have abandoned their WMD arguement instead of admitting that it was a giant lie, and instead say "well Saddam was dangerous anyways". Whether or not he needed to be dethroned has nothing to do with the fact that "intelligence" was built around the idea of going to war. And don't call me misinformed - I watched six god damn hours of the UN WMD briefing on C-span...there was nothing on TV :roll:. Anyways, all the evidence was sketchy at best - they had satellite photos of trucks driving away from warehouses, and Colin Powell proclaimed them "portable biological weapons labs"...almost a guess as to what they could be. It was just ridiculous.


as well as ensuring our rightful cut in fossil fuel. The Opium trade will have been greatly curtailed if not eradicated and people all over the world will be singing the praises of Bush.
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You have to be kidding. Our rightful cut of fossil fuel? Nobody owes us any fuel! It's our own god damn fault we consume so much...maybe if people were wise and bought fuel effecient vehicles instead of gas guzzlers, we wouldn't have to use so much. Plus, pissing off the Middle East isn't a good way to get fuel from them :roll:


All the Bush haters will realize that their thoughts and opinions are worthless shit and will realize that they needed someone to blame for their own social problems.
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This is the most unintelligent piece of shit I've seen in a while. I don't think Bush is anywhere near the worst president the US has ever had (see: Hoover, Grant, etc), but I have every right to critique him. You act as if he's done a perfect job and there is absolutely no reason anyone should disapprove of him. If you can't deal with the fact that not everyone loves bush, get the fuck out.


Hopefully, by that time there will be medication for most of you social outcasts.
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Excuse me? As far as I know, you've never met me, and you have no fucking right to just make stupid, idiotic, and unintelligible stereotypes against those who disagree with you. fuck off.
 
Excuse me? As far as I know, you've never met me, and you have no fucking right to just make stupid, idiotic, and unintelligible stereotypes against those who disagree with you. fuck off.
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Calm down now, did you forget your happy pills?
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Calm down now, did you forget your happy pills?[/QUOTE]
:lol: I didn't get pissed off, I just see it as my right to verbally attack someone else as soon as they directly insult me. His post descended from an arguement into straight disses, so I felt I had to even the playing field.

Rest assured though, I've got plenty of the happy pills left ;)
 
he is either going to go down as an idealist in the wilsonian/nixon tradition or as someone who belligerent president like Truman. There is also the possiblity, i think, of him being seen as lame duck president who let all of his advisors make all of the tough descisions, like the way eisenhower was preceived before the revisionism took place in his historiography. but right now, it's entirely too early to tell.
 
The OP would be worth responding to, if he/she weren't just making shit up.

I'm not talking revisionist history. When I say "making shit up," I mean "saying that something is true when it deomstrably is not."

Other posters have already pointed out that poppy production in Afghanistan was at its lowest point under the Taliban, and has increased since Hamid Karzai took over.

Others have pointed out the nationalism inherent in the claim to a "rightful cut" of "our oil." I agree with all of that; we may need it, but it's not on our land.

If you're going to continue this line of logic (the logic of making shit up), then I recommend you come up with some really cool stuff you can claim Bush did, like raise the dead, cure cancer, or eliminate public access television. Seriously, if you're gonna bullshit, do it with gusto.
 
[quote name='usickenme']If by excellent you mean a misplaced attempt to make the current war into the modern verison of our own self-statred revolution, then yes.; It is "excellent".[/QUOTE]

I'm less about the politics and more about how time changes perspective on things
 
[quote name='mykevermin']If you're going to continue this line of logic (the logic of making shit up), then I recommend you come up with some really cool stuff you can claim Bush did, like raise the dead, cure cancer, or eliminate public access television. Seriously, if you're gonna bullshit, do it with gusto.[/QUOTE]

:lol: :applause:

Bush did create a resurgence in comic-book movies, I have to give the dude props for that.
 
[quote name='Quillion']:lol: :applause:

Bush did create a resurgence in comic-book movies, I have to give the dude props for that.[/QUOTE]

They started casting under Clinton. ;)
 
I saw this topic and said to myself, "Who the fuck would make that kind of idiotic statement?" Then I remembered why I have kastides on my ignore list :)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']They started casting under Clinton. ;)[/QUOTE]

But you see... Bush made sure to "stay the course". Thus he deserves the credit.
 
Quillion is right. Bush may have suffered some setbacks with the Hulk and Fantastic 4 movies, but the Sin City and Batman Begins, not to mention the forthcoming Spider-Man 3, all show how his policy of staying the course when it comes to the spread of comic book movies has paid off.
 
[quote name='Quillion']But you see... Bush made sure to "stay the course". Thus he deserves the credit.[/QUOTE]

DAMMIT! I concede.

This is my favorite vs topic! Thanks for your brilliance Kastides! :roll:
 
[quote name='Brak']You're going to be flamed to high Hell for the sole fact you hold an opinion that contradicts the majority here (and anywhere else teens and twenty-somethings congregate).

Just a warning of the blatantly obvious things to come.[/QUOTE]

Mwahaha. Think about funny it would be to live in a Blue state(CT) and be a 19 year old hispanic republican who goes to a college that has many democratic white people :p
 
[quote name='Kastides']to ever hold the oval office.


Big picture wise, Bush will be the man single handly responsible for spreading democracy to the middle eastern coountries as well as ensuring our rightful cut in fossil fuel. The Opium trade will have been greatly curtailed if not eradicated and people all over the world will be singing the praises of Bush.

All the Bush haters will realize that their thoughts and opinions are worthless shit and will realize that they needed someone to blame for their own social problems. Hopefully, by that time there will be medication for most of you social outcasts.

Call me Kastrodamus because this shit is going to come true.[/QUOTE]
:lol:

name one country in the Gulf region which has had 'democracy' spread to it, ever... much less since Bush was elected.

certainly NOT Iraq

the opium trade is BOOMING in Afghanistan as are the Taliban. FACT

you seriously need to turn off the cable news and go outside
 
I remember reading a poll a year or so ago on Gallup about presidential approval ratings after the President had left office and what the public felt about how well their Presidency was. Rated were Carter, Bush Sr, Clinton and Reagan.

Oddly, Bush Sr and Carter were rated very high now even though they both left office with dismal approval ratings.

So, it's very odd what people remember later on down the road.
 
[quote name='Villy']I remember reading a poll a year or so ago on Gallup about presidential approval ratings after the President had left office and what the public felt about how well their Presidency was. Rated were Carter, Bush Sr, Clinton and Reagan.

Oddly, Bush Sr and Carter were rated very high now even though they both left office with dismal approval ratings.

So, it's very odd what people remember later on down the road.[/QUOTE]

good point
 
[quote name='Villy']I remember reading a poll a year or so ago on Gallup about presidential approval ratings after the President had left office and what the public felt about how well their Presidency was. Rated were Carter, Bush Sr, Clinton and Reagan.

Oddly, Bush Sr and Carter were rated very high now even though they both left office with dismal approval ratings.

So, it's very odd what people remember later on down the road.[/QUOTE]

Remember also that people's views are somewhat colored by nostalgia and by what former presidents do in their retired life. Carter's humanitarian and election monitoring work has been widely acclaimed, while people also remember the first Gulf War fondly due to its lack of casualties and quick, decisive victory and withdrawal. Even now Bush Sr. and Clinton are scoring goodwill points by doing things like tsunami and hurricane relief.
 
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