In the Spirit of .9999 not = 1 and 1.10 not = 1.1...
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orangemage
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o is even, it is neither psoitive or negative.
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0 isn't a number.
Morrigan Lover
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Damn, how many of the previous posters have finished 8th grade?
orangemage
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[quote name='zionoverfire']0 isn't a number.[/quote]
yes it is :lol:
yes it is :lol:
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[quote name='vherub']Depends:
say if 0 is the number of useful posts you've made, that's negative
and if 0 is the number of times you've hoarded games at a clearance sale, that's positive[/quote]
say if 0 is the number of useful posts you've made, that's negative
and if 0 is the number of times you've hoarded games at a clearance sale, that's positive[/quote]
[quote name='Kayden']Damnit... 
you aren't arguing....
[/quote]
Um, there's nothing to argue about.
That .9999 vs. 1 needs some mathematical background to understand, which some people here were too young or too stupid to have. This is just a matter of definitions, so just looking them up will give you the correct answer.
you aren't arguing....[/quote]Um, there's nothing to argue about.
That .9999 vs. 1 needs some mathematical background to understand, which some people here were too young or too stupid to have. This is just a matter of definitions, so just looking them up will give you the correct answer.
Kayden
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[quote name='eldad9'][quote name='Kayden']Damnit... you aren't arguing....
[/quote]
Um, there's nothing to argue about.
That .9999 vs. 1 needs some mathematical background to understand, which some people here were too young or too stupid to have. This is just a matter of definitions, so just looking them up will give you the correct answer.[/quote]
Since when has internet conversation been bound by fact and research? :lol:
I want self-righteous, obnoxious, uninformed, opionated replies!
you aren't arguing....[/quote]Um, there's nothing to argue about.
That .9999 vs. 1 needs some mathematical background to understand, which some people here were too young or too stupid to have. This is just a matter of definitions, so just looking them up will give you the correct answer.[/quote]
Since when has internet conversation been bound by fact and research? :lol:
I want self-righteous, obnoxious, uninformed, opionated replies!
Mr.Answer
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SCHOOL HOUSE ROCK: MY HERO ZERO
Animation:
Phil Kimmelman and Associates
Schoolhouse Rock! (Special Edition) Zero?
Yeah, Zero is a wonderful thing.
In fact, Zero is my hero!
How can Zero be a hero?
Well, there are all kinds of heroes, you know.
A man can get to be a hero
For a famous battle he fought...
Or by studying very hard
And becoming a weightless astronaut.
And then there are heroes of other sorts,
Like the heroes we know from watching sports.
But a hero doesn't have to be a grown up person, you know,
A hero can be a very big dog
Who comes to your rescue,
Or a very little boy who's smart enough to know what to do.
But let me tell you about my favorite hero.
My hero, Zero, such a funny little hero,
But till you came along,
We counted on our fingers and toes.
Now you're here to stay
And nobody really knows
How wonderful you are.
Why we could never reach a star,
Without you, Zero, my hero,
How wonderful you are.
What's so wonderful about a zero?
It's nothing, isn't it?
Sure, it represents nothing alone.
But place a zero after 1
And you've got yourself a 10.
See how important that is?
When you run out of digits,
You can start all over again.
See how convenient that is?
That's why with only ten digits including zero,
You can count as high as you could ever go...
Forever, towards infinity,
No one ever gets there, but you could try.
With 10 billion zeros,
From the cavemen till the heroes,
Who invented you,
They counted on their fingers and toes
And maybe some sticks and stones, or rocks and bones
And their neighbors' toes.
You're here,
And nobody really knows
How wonderful you are.
Why we could never reach the star,
Without you, Zero, my hero,
Zero, how wonderful you are.
Place one zero after any number
And you've multiplied that number by 10.
See how easy that is.
Place two zeros after any number
And you've multiplied that number by 100.
See how simple that is.
Place three zeros after any number,
And you've multiplied that number by 1,000.
Et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad astra, forever and ever,
With zero, my hero, how wonderful you are.
Animation:
Phil Kimmelman and Associates
Schoolhouse Rock! (Special Edition) Zero?
Yeah, Zero is a wonderful thing.
In fact, Zero is my hero!
How can Zero be a hero?
Well, there are all kinds of heroes, you know.
A man can get to be a hero
For a famous battle he fought...
Or by studying very hard
And becoming a weightless astronaut.
And then there are heroes of other sorts,
Like the heroes we know from watching sports.
But a hero doesn't have to be a grown up person, you know,
A hero can be a very big dog
Who comes to your rescue,
Or a very little boy who's smart enough to know what to do.
But let me tell you about my favorite hero.
My hero, Zero, such a funny little hero,
But till you came along,
We counted on our fingers and toes.
Now you're here to stay
And nobody really knows
How wonderful you are.
Why we could never reach a star,
Without you, Zero, my hero,
How wonderful you are.
What's so wonderful about a zero?
It's nothing, isn't it?
Sure, it represents nothing alone.
But place a zero after 1
And you've got yourself a 10.
See how important that is?
When you run out of digits,
You can start all over again.
See how convenient that is?
That's why with only ten digits including zero,
You can count as high as you could ever go...
Forever, towards infinity,
No one ever gets there, but you could try.
With 10 billion zeros,
From the cavemen till the heroes,
Who invented you,
They counted on their fingers and toes
And maybe some sticks and stones, or rocks and bones
And their neighbors' toes.
You're here,
And nobody really knows
How wonderful you are.
Why we could never reach the star,
Without you, Zero, my hero,
Zero, how wonderful you are.
Place one zero after any number
And you've multiplied that number by 10.
See how easy that is.
Place two zeros after any number
And you've multiplied that number by 100.
See how simple that is.
Place three zeros after any number,
And you've multiplied that number by 1,000.
Et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad astra, forever and ever,
With zero, my hero, how wonderful you are.
[quote name='eldad9'][quote name='Kayden']Damnit... you aren't arguing....
[/quote]
Um, there's nothing to argue about.
That .9999 vs. 1 needs some mathematical background to understand, which some people here were too young or too stupid to have. This is just a matter of definitions, so just looking them up will give you the correct answer.[/quote]
We already had this discussion, but I haven't been converted to the .999... = 1 yet, even after now taking Calculus.
you aren't arguing....[/quote]Um, there's nothing to argue about.
That .9999 vs. 1 needs some mathematical background to understand, which some people here were too young or too stupid to have. This is just a matter of definitions, so just looking them up will give you the correct answer.[/quote]
We already had this discussion, but I haven't been converted to the .999... = 1 yet, even after now taking Calculus.
[quote name='RichD1'][quote name='eldad9'][quote name='Kayden']Damnit... you aren't arguing....
[/quote]
Um, there's nothing to argue about.
That .9999 vs. 1 needs some mathematical background to understand, which some people here were too young or too stupid to have. This is just a matter of definitions, so just looking them up will give you the correct answer.[/quote]
We already had this discussion, but I haven't been converted to the .999... = 1 yet, even after now taking Calculus.[/quote]
Remind me again, how much is 2 - .999.....?
you aren't arguing....[/quote]Um, there's nothing to argue about.
That .9999 vs. 1 needs some mathematical background to understand, which some people here were too young or too stupid to have. This is just a matter of definitions, so just looking them up will give you the correct answer.[/quote]
We already had this discussion, but I haven't been converted to the .999... = 1 yet, even after now taking Calculus.[/quote]
Remind me again, how much is 2 - .999.....?
Zenithian Legend
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[quote name='evilmoron17']Take any number divided by two, and then look at the remainder.
If the remainder is 1, then the original number is odd.
If the remainder is 0, then the original number is even.
0 is even.[/quote]
Yoooooooooooou CANNOT divide a number by zero, or divide zero by another number.
If the remainder is 1, then the original number is odd.
If the remainder is 0, then the original number is even.
0 is even.[/quote]
Yoooooooooooou CANNOT divide a number by zero, or divide zero by another number.
I don't get it. That's not even real math. Shouldn't the money the bellboy have be subtracted from the $27 to make sense? $2 in his pocket + $3 he gave back = $5 difference. They paid $30 when it should have been $25.... a $5 difference... am I missing something?
Kayden
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[quote name='Zenithian Legend'][quote name='evilmoron17']Take any number divided by two, and then look at the remainder.
If the remainder is 1, then the original number is odd.
If the remainder is 0, then the original number is even.
0 is even.[/quote]
Yoooooooooooou CANNOT divide a number by zero, or divide zero by another number.[/quote]
Half true
X/0=ERROR
0/X=0
If the remainder is 1, then the original number is odd.
If the remainder is 0, then the original number is even.
0 is even.[/quote]
Yoooooooooooou CANNOT divide a number by zero, or divide zero by another number.[/quote]
Half true
X/0=ERROR
0/X=0
Morrigan Lover
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sum of money payed = sum of money received
9 x 3 = 25 + 2
[quote name='Zenithian Legend'][quote name='evilmoron17']Take any number divided by two, and then look at the remainder.
If the remainder is 1, then the original number is odd.
If the remainder is 0, then the original number is even.
0 is even.[/quote]
Yoooooooooooou CANNOT divide a number by zero, or divide zero by another number.[/quote]
Hate to break it to you, but you indeed can divide 0 by another number. You are correct about being unable to divide by 0. Any of those stupid 1 = 0 proofs use dividing by 0.
Again. I'm sorry but you are most certainly wrong.
If the remainder is 1, then the original number is odd.
If the remainder is 0, then the original number is even.
0 is even.[/quote]
Yoooooooooooou CANNOT divide a number by zero, or divide zero by another number.[/quote]
Hate to break it to you, but you indeed can divide 0 by another number. You are correct about being unable to divide by 0. Any of those stupid 1 = 0 proofs use dividing by 0.
Again. I'm sorry but you are most certainly wrong.
[quote name='eldad9'][quote name='RichD1'][quote name='eldad9'][quote name='Kayden']Damnit... you aren't arguing....
[/quote]
Um, there's nothing to argue about.
That .9999 vs. 1 needs some mathematical background to understand, which some people here were too young or too stupid to have. This is just a matter of definitions, so just looking them up will give you the correct answer.[/quote]
We already had this discussion, but I haven't been converted to the .999... = 1 yet, even after now taking Calculus.[/quote]
Remind me again, how much is 2 - .999.....?[/quote]
1.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 and them some 1
And infinitely small amount more than 1
you aren't arguing....[/quote]Um, there's nothing to argue about.
That .9999 vs. 1 needs some mathematical background to understand, which some people here were too young or too stupid to have. This is just a matter of definitions, so just looking them up will give you the correct answer.[/quote]
We already had this discussion, but I haven't been converted to the .999... = 1 yet, even after now taking Calculus.[/quote]
Remind me again, how much is 2 - .999.....?[/quote]
1.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 and them some 1
And infinitely small amount more than 1
Morrigan Lover
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1. These "1 = 0 proofs" you speak of are not valid mathematical proofs.
2. http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.divideby0.html
it looks like Tromack is the one who is "most certainly wrong."
[quote name='RichD1'][quote name='eldad9'][quote name='RichD1'][quote name='eldad9'][quote name='Kayden']Damnit... you aren't arguing....
[/quote]
Um, there's nothing to argue about.
That .9999 vs. 1 needs some mathematical background to understand, which some people here were too young or too stupid to have. This is just a matter of definitions, so just looking them up will give you the correct answer.[/quote]
We already had this discussion, but I haven't been converted to the .999... = 1 yet, even after now taking Calculus.[/quote]
Remind me again, how much is 2 - .999.....?[/quote]
1.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 and them some 1
And infinitely small amount more than 1
[/quote]
So there's a 1 somewhere after all these zeroes? Great. At which decimal place?
you aren't arguing....[/quote]Um, there's nothing to argue about.
That .9999 vs. 1 needs some mathematical background to understand, which some people here were too young or too stupid to have. This is just a matter of definitions, so just looking them up will give you the correct answer.[/quote]
We already had this discussion, but I haven't been converted to the .999... = 1 yet, even after now taking Calculus.[/quote]
Remind me again, how much is 2 - .999.....?[/quote]
1.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 and them some 1
And infinitely small amount more than 1
[/quote]So there's a 1 somewhere after all these zeroes? Great. At which decimal place?
[quote name='Graff^']
The answer is "language".[/quote]
To check all the unfortunate incarnations of this "riddle",
http://www.fun-with-words.com/word_gry_angry_hungry.html
The answer is "language".
[/quote]To check all the unfortunate incarnations of this "riddle",
http://www.fun-with-words.com/word_gry_angry_hungry.html
Zenithian Legend
Banned
I need to have a serious talk with a math professor or two... 
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0.9999 is not equal to 1 and 1.10 is equal to 1.1.
all the numbers to the left of 0 are negative and all the numbers to the right are positive on a x axis. on the y axis, positive as you rise and negative as you fall.
am i too serious about this topic? cause i could go on forever.
all the numbers to the left of 0 are negative and all the numbers to the right are positive on a x axis. on the y axis, positive as you rise and negative as you fall.
am i too serious about this topic? cause i could go on forever.
[quote name='minos1067']0.9999 is not equal to 1 and 1.10 is equal to 1.1.
all the numbers to the left of 0 are negative and all the numbers to the right are positive on a x axis. on the y axis, positive as you rise and negative as you fall.
am i too serious about this topic? cause i could go on forever.[/quote]
That thread was not about 0.9999, it was about 0.9999.... (an infinite amount of nines).
all the numbers to the left of 0 are negative and all the numbers to the right are positive on a x axis. on the y axis, positive as you rise and negative as you fall.
am i too serious about this topic? cause i could go on forever.[/quote]
That thread was not about 0.9999, it was about 0.9999.... (an infinite amount of nines).
[quote name='eldad9'][quote name='minos1067']0.9999 is not equal to 1 and 1.10 is equal to 1.1.
all the numbers to the left of 0 are negative and all the numbers to the right are positive on a x axis. on the y axis, positive as you rise and negative as you fall.
am i too serious about this topic? cause i could go on forever.[/quote]
That thread was not about 0.9999, it was about 0.9999.... (an infinite amount of nines).[/quote]
still not equal. if someone's a stingy ass biotch and you owe him $200, he's not going to accept $199 and a obliterated dollar bill thats in specks of dust. street law says it wont add up.
all the numbers to the left of 0 are negative and all the numbers to the right are positive on a x axis. on the y axis, positive as you rise and negative as you fall.
am i too serious about this topic? cause i could go on forever.[/quote]
That thread was not about 0.9999, it was about 0.9999.... (an infinite amount of nines).[/quote]
still not equal. if someone's a stingy ass biotch and you owe him $200, he's not going to accept $199 and a obliterated dollar bill thats in specks of dust. street law says it wont add up.
Kayden
Banned
[quote name='minos1067'][quote name='eldad9'][quote name='minos1067']0.9999 is not equal to 1 and 1.10 is equal to 1.1.
all the numbers to the left of 0 are negative and all the numbers to the right are positive on a x axis. on the y axis, positive as you rise and negative as you fall.
am i too serious about this topic? cause i could go on forever.[/quote]
That thread was not about 0.9999, it was about 0.9999.... (an infinite amount of nines).[/quote]
still not equal. if someone's a stingy ass biotch and you owe him $200, he's not going to accept $199 and a obliterated dollar bill thats in specks of dust. street law says it wont add up.[/quote]
Well... if you wanna get technical, as long as you have 2/3 of a bill its considered legal tender... 2/3=.6666666666 So... .999999 would be like tearing a bit of the corner off, which I'm sure someone would accept.
all the numbers to the left of 0 are negative and all the numbers to the right are positive on a x axis. on the y axis, positive as you rise and negative as you fall.
am i too serious about this topic? cause i could go on forever.[/quote]
That thread was not about 0.9999, it was about 0.9999.... (an infinite amount of nines).[/quote]
still not equal. if someone's a stingy ass biotch and you owe him $200, he's not going to accept $199 and a obliterated dollar bill thats in specks of dust. street law says it wont add up.[/quote]Well... if you wanna get technical, as long as you have 2/3 of a bill its considered legal tender... 2/3=.6666666666 So... .999999 would be like tearing a bit of the corner off, which I'm sure someone would accept.
[quote name='eldad9'][quote name='RichD1'][quote name='eldad9']
So there's a 1 somewhere after all these zeroes? Great. At which decimal place?[/quote]
The infinite decimal place
[/quote]
Sorry, there's no such thing.[/quote]
But there is. It's infinitely far away from the decimal, but it never actually touches 1 (assuming it's graphed) Am I wrong in assuming that there will always be an infinitely small space between the graph and x=1? Am I wrong in thinking that a limit is " infinitely approaching, but never actually touching, x" ?
I can't help but think the question is more philosophical than mathematical and therefore leads to differing opinions.
So there's a 1 somewhere after all these zeroes? Great. At which decimal place?[/quote]
The infinite decimal place
[/quote]Sorry, there's no such thing.[/quote]
But there is. It's infinitely far away from the decimal, but it never actually touches 1 (assuming it's graphed) Am I wrong in assuming that there will always be an infinitely small space between the graph and x=1? Am I wrong in thinking that a limit is " infinitely approaching, but never actually touching, x" ?
I can't help but think the question is more philosophical than mathematical and therefore leads to differing opinions.
[quote name='RichD1'][quote name='eldad9'][quote name='RichD1'][quote name='eldad9']
So there's a 1 somewhere after all these zeroes? Great. At which decimal place?[/quote]
The infinite decimal place[/quote]
Sorry, there's no such thing.[/quote]
But there is. It's infinitely far away from the decimal, but it never actually touches 1 (assuming it's graphed) Am I wrong in assuming that there will always be an infinitely small space between the graph and x=1? Am I wrong in thinking that a limit is " infinitely approaching, but never actually touching, x" ?
I can't help but think the question is more philosophical than mathematical and therefore leads to differing opinions.[/quote]
I think that this thing that you're floundering so hard to grasp is the limit as t approaches 1 from the right. Which is true, but... that's also equal to 1, in terms of mathematics. Sorry, but it really won't make any sense until you reach higher calculus, but .999bar really is equal to 1.
So there's a 1 somewhere after all these zeroes? Great. At which decimal place?[/quote]
The infinite decimal place
[/quote]Sorry, there's no such thing.[/quote]
But there is. It's infinitely far away from the decimal, but it never actually touches 1 (assuming it's graphed) Am I wrong in assuming that there will always be an infinitely small space between the graph and x=1? Am I wrong in thinking that a limit is " infinitely approaching, but never actually touching, x" ?
I can't help but think the question is more philosophical than mathematical and therefore leads to differing opinions.[/quote]
I think that this thing that you're floundering so hard to grasp is the limit as t approaches 1 from the right. Which is true, but... that's also equal to 1, in terms of mathematics. Sorry, but it really won't make any sense until you reach higher calculus, but .999bar really is equal to 1.
[quote name='Graff^'][quote name='RichD1'][quote name='eldad9'][quote name='RichD1'][quote name='eldad9']
So there's a 1 somewhere after all these zeroes? Great. At which decimal place?[/quote]
The infinite decimal place[/quote]
Sorry, there's no such thing.[/quote]
But there is. It's infinitely far away from the decimal, but it never actually touches 1 (assuming it's graphed) Am I wrong in assuming that there will always be an infinitely small space between the graph and x=1? Am I wrong in thinking that a limit is " infinitely approaching, but never actually touching, x" ?
I can't help but think the question is more philosophical than mathematical and therefore leads to differing opinions.[/quote]
I think that this thing that you're floundering so hard to grasp is the limit as t approaches 1 from the right. Which is true, but... that's also equal to 1, in terms of mathematics. Sorry, but it really won't make any sense until you reach higher calculus, but .999bar really is equal to 1.[/quote]
I'm aware that in terms of math, it equals 1. But nothing is definite. (no pun intended.)
I still cling to the fact that there is always an infinitely small cushion between it. According to .999... = 1, an infinitely small amount will eventually disappear, which I just can't bring my self to agree with. I suppose the laws of the universe have corrupted me with the whole something can't turn into nothing thing.
So there's a 1 somewhere after all these zeroes? Great. At which decimal place?[/quote]
The infinite decimal place
[/quote]Sorry, there's no such thing.[/quote]
But there is. It's infinitely far away from the decimal, but it never actually touches 1 (assuming it's graphed) Am I wrong in assuming that there will always be an infinitely small space between the graph and x=1? Am I wrong in thinking that a limit is " infinitely approaching, but never actually touching, x" ?
I can't help but think the question is more philosophical than mathematical and therefore leads to differing opinions.[/quote]
I think that this thing that you're floundering so hard to grasp is the limit as t approaches 1 from the right. Which is true, but... that's also equal to 1, in terms of mathematics. Sorry, but it really won't make any sense until you reach higher calculus, but .999bar really is equal to 1.[/quote]
I'm aware that in terms of math, it equals 1. But nothing is definite. (no pun intended.
)I still cling to the fact that there is always an infinitely small cushion between it. According to .999... = 1, an infinitely small amount will eventually disappear, which I just can't bring my self to agree with. I suppose the laws of the universe have corrupted me with the whole something can't turn into nothing thing.
There IS an infinitely small space, but it's so small that it may as well not be there at all. That's actually an understatement, it's more like it's so small that it ISN'T there at all. It's rather irritating and causes all sorts of headaches, but it's mathematically true.
[quote name='Graff^']There IS an infinitely small space, but it's so small that it may as well not be there at all. That's actually an understatement, it's more like it's so small that it ISN'T there at all. It's rather irritating and causes all sorts of headaches, but it's mathematically true.[/quote]
I've already agreed it's mathematically true (as I posted the example last post) but I can't accept the mathematical proof. No matter how infinitely small, it does exist and to say something just turned into nothing would make me cry. :lol:
I've already agreed it's mathematically true (as I posted the example last post) but I can't accept the mathematical proof. No matter how infinitely small, it does exist and to say something just turned into nothing would make me cry. :lol:
[quote name='RichD1'][quote name='Graff^']There IS an infinitely small space, but it's so small that it may as well not be there at all. That's actually an understatement, it's more like it's so small that it ISN'T there at all. It's rather irritating and causes all sorts of headaches, but it's mathematically true.[/quote]
I've already agreed it's mathematically true (as I posted the example last post) but I can't accept the mathematical proof. No matter how infinitely small, it does exist and to say something just turned into nothing would make me cry. :lol:[/quote]
That makes no sense... The mathematical proof proves true, hence its being called a proof... Yeah, it's annoying as hell, but you just have to accept it. And then convert others who refuse to believe!
I've already agreed it's mathematically true (as I posted the example last post) but I can't accept the mathematical proof. No matter how infinitely small, it does exist and to say something just turned into nothing would make me cry. :lol:[/quote]
That makes no sense... The mathematical proof proves true, hence its being called a proof... Yeah, it's annoying as hell, but you just have to accept it. And then convert others who refuse to believe!
[quote name='Graff^'][quote name='RichD1'][quote name='Graff^']There IS an infinitely small space, but it's so small that it may as well not be there at all. That's actually an understatement, it's more like it's so small that it ISN'T there at all. It's rather irritating and causes all sorts of headaches, but it's mathematically true.[/quote]
I've already agreed it's mathematically true (as I posted the example last post) but I can't accept the mathematical proof. No matter how infinitely small, it does exist and to say something just turned into nothing would make me cry. :lol:[/quote]
That makes no sense... The mathematical proof proves true, hence its being called a proof... Yeah, it's annoying as hell, but you just have to accept it. And then convert others who refuse to believe![/quote]
I'LL CRY!
CRY, I SAY, CRY!
I've already agreed it's mathematically true (as I posted the example last post) but I can't accept the mathematical proof. No matter how infinitely small, it does exist and to say something just turned into nothing would make me cry. :lol:[/quote]
That makes no sense... The mathematical proof proves true, hence its being called a proof... Yeah, it's annoying as hell, but you just have to accept it. And then convert others who refuse to believe!
[/quote]I'LL CRY!
CRY, I SAY, CRY!
bread's done