Insurance from the Post Office(a Ripoff?)

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kingofthenet

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OK, you guys are the Kings (and Queens) of dealmaking, and fair play, so let me run this by you for your honest opinions.
I do alot of Ebay buying(mostly collectables) and have had on several instances recieved damaged items(or failed to recieve them at all), but as far as I was concerned I had insurance, but here is the problem. The Postal Service sells insurance in $100 dollar increments, and like many of the Forum people I can smell out AWESOME deals, so maybe just for example I won an auction for say a Baseball card worth $200(retail) for say $50 I have it insured for $200(it's REAL worth) and say this item is lost or destroyed. The Postal service wants to see proof of what I paid.and will only return my payment NOT the items TRUE value.I think that is TOTAL bullshit, as I cannot replace the item for $50 and have PAID for the insurance.I believe ALL items have an independant "Retail" value and since the Post Office deals with literally 10,000's of these type of losses, they do/should employ an insurance adjuster to ensure the payout matches the loss. What would happen if say my MOM sent me a "Family Treasure" baseball card had it insured for the true value, but no proof of what its worth/what the family paid? Not pay us at all? What are your thoughts?
 
Uh... an item's TRUE value is what you paid for it. Insurance is to cover the cost of obtaining the item, not some magical number some people think it should be worth.
 
[quote name='Vinny']Uh... an item's TRUE value is what you paid for it. Insurance is to cover the cost of obtaining the item, not some magical number some people think it should be worth.[/quote]

QFT. Otherwise people could buy 99 cent items, have them insured for 3 million dollars, and then cash in big time.

The Post Office can't be liable for potential or perceived value or else they'd be run out of business.
 
Ok Vinny,
say I was at your house and you were to show me a NICE Tiffinay Lamp you found at a yard sale for $10, then I smash it and throw you a $10 bill, we square? Then we go over to your Xbox 360 that you won from Pepsi and I smash it, and say don't worry Vinny you didn't lose any scratch, you kool with that?
 
[quote name='kingofthenet']Ok Vinny,
say I was at your house and you were to show me a NICE Tiffinay Lamp you found at a yard sale for $10, then I smash it and throw you a $10 bill, we square? Then we go over to your Xbox 360 that you won from Pepsi and I smash it, and say don't worry Vinny you didn't lose any scratch, you kool with that?[/quote]
Lol, what are you, 12? How can you make broad generalizations from such small specific ancedotal hypothetical accusations?

Like I said, the post office cannot hope to insure stuff based on what people think it is worth. That baseball card is worth $200 to you, but it is only worth $5 to me and $10 to random person A. Fact is, all they can possibly insure is how much you actually paid, otherwise it is just too arbitrary.
 
The worth of "collectibles" are only as much as people are willing to pay for them. If the most you can get for that ZOMG $$$200$$$ lot of baseball cards is $50, well, then, care to guess what it's worth?

This post reeks of insurance fraud.
 
[quote name='thelazyone22']Lol, what are you, 12? How can you make broad generalizations from such small specific ancedotal hypothetical accusations?

Like I said, the post office cannot hope to insure stuff based on what people think it is worth. That baseball card is worth $200 to you, but it is only worth $5 to me and $10 to random person A. Fact is, all they can possibly insure is how much you actually paid, otherwise it is just too arbitrary.[/quote]

LOL, are you 10?
Than answer me this, Do you KNOW what an insurance adjuster is?
BTW: that baseball card is worth a certain retail value, just like your car, you "Might" think it has different values to different people but in the eyes of the law, it usually is the Kelly Blue Book.
 
well actually i was once told by a post office employee they NEVER insure paper and a base ball card is pretty much paper... so it might even fall under that catagory.
 
[quote name='kingofthenet']LOL, are you 10?
Than answer me this, Do you KNOW what an insurance adjuster is?
BTW: that baseball card is worth a certain retail value, just like your car, you "Might" think it has different values to different people but in the eyes of the law, it usually is the Kelly Blue Book.[/quote]

Incidentally, I did work in insurance for a while. Conclusion: You have no idea what you are talking about.
 
[quote name='kingofthenet']LOL, are you 10?
Than answer me this, Do you KNOW what an insurance adjuster is?
BTW: that baseball card is worth a certain retail value, just like your car, you "Might" think it has different values to different people but in the eyes of the law, it usually is the Kelly Blue Book.[/quote]
It doesn't matter. The laws of capitalism, the free market, and specifically supply and demand state that consumer demand determines what products will be sold at. There is no "certain retail value"; it's whatever people will pay.

Insurance adjusters and the Kelly Blue Book provide a baseline value for pricing. The KBB cannot possibly price every single car of whatever brand; it is simply a guideline for what a car should be worth. One car may be worth more because of less miles, new tires, better speakers, whatever.

The Post Office isn't buying whatever you're shipping. Their only job is to move it from Point A to Point B. Therefore, how can they be required to track down the "true value" of whatever when all they're concerned about is moving stuff around?
 
[quote name='Slim Gatsby']Incidentally, I did work in insurance for a while. Conclusion: You have no idea what you are talking about.[/quote]

Don't Lie, you NEVER worked in insurance with that STUPID attitude. Ok Let me ask you this day you run into a car whose owner paid $0 for the car(it was a gift from his father) so you don't have to pay him anything? HAHA
OK one more you win a nice new PS3 from some site on the internet you are moving and send it insured to your new address it arrives smashed, how much do you get? Remember you didn't PAY anything?
 
[quote name='kingofthenet']Don't Lie, you NEVER worked in insurance with that STUPID attitude. Ok Let me ask you this day you run into a car whose owner paid $0 for the car(it was a gift from his father) so you don't have to pay him anything? HAHA
OK one more you win a nice new PS3 from some site on the internet you are moving and send it insured to your new address it arrives smashed, how much do you get? Remember you didn't PAY anything?[/quote]
...Um, you obviously didn't read any of my posts. I did work in insurance, and you are a moron and obviously under the age of sixteen.

Something like that has a tangible value. Your baseball cards, unless professionally appraised and specifically insured, do not.

EDIT: Also, you're been here for about a month and have like four posts. You're going on ignore now. Bye bye.
 
[quote name='Slim Gatsby']...Um, you obviously didn't read any of my posts. I did work in insurance, and you are a moron and obviously under the age of sixteen.

Something like that has a tangible value. Your baseball cards, unless professionally appraised and specifically insured, do not.

EDIT: Also, you're been here for about a month and have like four posts. You're going on ignore now. Bye bye.[/quote]
I Notice you didn't answer my questions...suprise:roll:
too bad you are so immature that you can't disguss things like an adult and give me your THOUGHTS and REASONING on the matter because you can't do nither? Also I am pretty sure the Kell Blue Book does take into account Miles and Basic condition and usually is considered the BIBLE when it comes to pay outs in accidents.
 
[quote name='Slim Gatsby']...Um, you obviously didn't read any of my posts. I did work in insurance, and you are a moron and obviously under the age of sixteen.

Something like that has a tangible value. Your baseball cards, unless professionally appraised and specifically insured, do not.

EDIT: Also, you're been here for about a month and have like four posts. You're going on ignore now. Bye bye.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree - you can look up the retail on a PSTriple but the best you'll do with a baseball card in most instances is 'guide' value - which is subjective depending on the market. Since the post office isn't in the appraisal business, they'll compensate you for the actual price paid. Nothing wrong or strange about that.

Besides, if its really that valuable, put it in one of those solid acrylic case and overnight that bad boy ;)
 
[quote name='kingofthenet']I Notice you didn't answer my questions...suprise:roll:
too bad you are so immature that you can't disguss things like an adult and give me your THOUGHTS and REASONING on the matter because you can't do nither? Also I am pretty sure the Kell Blue Book does take into account Miles and Basic condition and usually is considered the BIBLE when it comes to pay outs in accidents.[/QUOTE]

Actually, most insurance companies use NADA values not KBB
 
[quote name='joevan']I have to agree - you can look up the retail on a PSTriple but the best you'll do with a baseball card in most instances is 'guide' value - which is subjective depending on the market. Since the post office isn't in the appraisal business, they'll compensate you for the actual price paid. Nothing wrong or strange about that.

Besides, if its really that valuable, put it in one of those solid acrylic case and overnight that bad boy ;)[/quote]

Good point, I really should have used a PSTriple as my example, but let me ask you this say I DID recieve a broken PS3(Say the 80gb) and I managed to get it for $100 because someone listed it in the wrong catagory it was Broken and I had it insured for the Real $499 value, I should get $499 NO?
 
[quote name='kingofthenet']Ok Vinny,
say I was at your house and you were to show me a NICE Tiffinay Lamp you found at a yard sale for $10, then I smash it and throw you a $10 bill, we square? Then we go over to your Xbox 360 that you won from Pepsi and I smash it, and say don't worry Vinny you didn't lose any scratch, you kool with that?[/quote]

I fail to see how wanton acts of vandalism relate to the U.S. Postal Service selling insurance in the event that they accidentally damage an item.

In case you can't see the difference, here it is: only one of you two is being paid to transit an item from one location to another.

Clearly, you've been drinking too much Kool-Aid.
 
[quote name='Killer Rabbit']I fail to see how wanton acts of vandalism relate to the U.S. Postal Service selling insurance in the event that they accidentally damage an item.

In case you can't see the difference, here it is: only one of you two is being paid to transit an item from one location to another.

Clearly, you've been drinking too much Kool-Aid. [/quote]
It was just to get Vinny to think "Outside the Box" a Thought exersise if you prefer, sorta like asking if Superman were real and he fought on the side of the Nazi's would we all be speaking German?:lol:
My main point is that ALL items have a "Basic" value, now of course if you are an Xbot and HATE Sony with a passion you "Might" think the PS3 is only worth $100, that doesn't make it so. If you are a CAG monster and can get a PS3 and 5 games thru some sorta crazy deal for $200 bring them home and your house catches fire, you ARE NOT defrauding your insurance company if you list your losses as PS3 and 5 games, value $800 $499=$60x5=300 or $799.99 to be perfectly true, Do you agree?
 
I worked as a clerk for the USPS for 5 years. The short answer, is you would be lucky if they paid you $50 for it. You'd have no shot at the $200.

Now before I explain a bit of a disclaimer in that I have not worked for the USPS in 15 months, but this is how they did things while I was still there.

1. Claims over a certain dollar value (I think it was $50) go to St. Louis (May have the city wrong) for their insurance department to review. Because of rampant insurance fraud in the past it is VERY difficult to get them to pay out and when they do it can take months. The time it takes to pay will be affected by the dollar value of the item. For the low dollar values it is up to the individual Postmaster of the local office. He can pay out if you can actually reach him and convince him of your case but only up to that certain $$ value. Of course Postmasters are about as easy to reach in person as Bigfoot, so unless it is a very tiny office I wouldn't bet on that either.

2. You have to show proof of the worth of the item. This is a receipt. eBay printouts DO NOT count. They were very specific on this when I worked there as I used to buy a lot of old Transformers and would often discuss the matter with the claims clerk in my office. Basically if you bought the hypothetical card you would have to ask the seller for a receipt. Again a printout of an eBay screen or email will not be enough. Preferably the receipt would not be in crayon though I'm pretty sure there are no rules against it.

3. You are only getting what you can prove you paid for the item. That's the USPS policy and that's what you are getting. Allowing the "true value" would only encourage fraud and abuse. Just because insurance for $82.99 is the same price as $100 does not mean you get $100. Claiming that due to inflation in the 30 days since you mailed the item you should get an extra 16 cents doesn't work either. Not that I've tried...*ahem*.

4. You will have to bring the damaged item in along with the packaging. Obviously if it is lost this is not required. However, remember insurance is tracked. It used to be under $50 insurance was not tracked but I think that has since changed. I may be wrong there though. They will inspect the packaging and damaged item. I have seen people turned down on their insurance refund because they didn't bring the packaging. Of course we would obviously know if you stomped all over the package yourself. Afterall we are professionals at destroying your mail and can spot an amateur's work a mile away.

5. If the USPS pays out, they keep the item. We had an instance where a woman brought in some kind of antique Mahjong set or something and one tile was broken. She wanted the money AND to keep the unbroken items. No dice. Then she wanted to know when we were going to throw it out so she could dumpster dive for it. We didn't bite on that either. Said items are shipped to the secret USPS landfill in the middle of the Nevada where they are buried next to all those copies of ET. Or maybe we just chucked them. I can't remember, it's been 15 months.

6. Even if you do everything right they STILL might insist on paying the original retail cost of the item. Yes. For your "$200.00" card they might pay you a fraction of the cost of the original pack it came in. We had that happen quite a bit and while I would like to think the USPS has improved on handling online auction....they aren't exactly known for keeping with the times. When I worked there some of the equipment in our office was from the 1930s. Baseball cards have been collectible for longer so it's less likely but this was a very common occurence with toys. The Post Office is like a timewarp. I'm pretty sure if I searched my old office hard enough I could have scraped up a few dinosaur bones and maybe some gold dubloons. I'll have to keep that in mind next time I visit.

7. Insurance adjusters? This isn't car insurance. The USPS is a company and while they have a department for this, they aren't showing up at your house to investigate the item. You bring/send/mail everything to them. The burden of proof is on you to prove to them you deserve the money. Like joevan said, the USPS is not in the appraisal business. These guys are not experts on your item. They are going to use proof you provide that meets their standards and nothing else. "No Arms Bob's ultimate extreme card and lawn ornament guide" is likely not going to be considered hard proof of value by the USPS. And don't even try it if the item is a lawn gnome. The USPS hates lawn gnomes and will quite possibly have a postal inspector shoot you in the kneecaps if you try to bring a claim on one.

8. I second the NADA comment. I'm going through that right now as someone wiped out 2 of my families cars while we had them parked on the street. After comparing the different book values I think there is something very poignant about the name "nada" when getting the quote from the insurance company.

[quote name='kingofthenet']OK, you guys are the Kings (and Queens) of dealmaking, and fair play, so let me run this by you for your honest opinions.
I do alot of Ebay buying(mostly collectables) and have had on several instances recieved damaged items(or failed to recieve them at all), but as far as I was concerned I had insurance, but here is the problem. The Postal Service sells insurance in $100 dollar increments, and like many of the Forum people I can smell out AWESOME deals, so maybe just for example I won an auction for say a Baseball card worth $200(retail) for say $50 I have it insured for $200(it's REAL worth) and say this item is lost or destroyed. The Postal service wants to see proof of what I paid.and will only return my payment NOT the items TRUE value.I think that is TOTAL bullshit, as I cannot replace the item for $50 and have PAID for the insurance.I believe ALL items have an independant "Retail" value and since the Post Office deals with literally 10,000's of these type of losses, they do/should employ an insurance adjuster to ensure the payout matches the loss. What would happen if say my MOM sent me a "Family Treasure" baseball card had it insured for the true value, but no proof of what its worth/what the family paid? Not pay us at all? What are your thoughts?[/QUOTE]
 
I doubt they meant that literally. The USPS doesn't insure documents, pictures and other things with no intrinsic value. You can however, insure stock certificates and the like, but anything of significant value should be shipped registered mail which has it's own insurance. Registered mail is the most secure mail class by far and is signed for by every person that touches that piece of mail.

[quote name='auralia']well actually i was once told by a post office employee they NEVER insure paper and a base ball card is pretty much paper... so it might even fall under that catagory.[/QUOTE]
 
What do you do when items of value are exchanged between say friends or family members say, I am shipping my sister a Silver Tea Set valued at $1000 and pay for $1000 of insurance but this was a family Heirloom with Obvously No receipt?

Mark my words this BS is going to stop someday when some large outfit takes on the case, sorta like when that citizen rights groups sued the telco companies for adding a couple EXTRA cents to the tarriffs that don't sound like alot but multiplied by millions thats a hunk of change, just ask Richard Prior:lol:(can't he's dead:cry:)
 
[quote name='kingofthenet']
Mark my words this BS is going to stop someday when some large outfit takes on the case, sorta like when that citizen rights groups sued the telco companies for adding a couple EXTRA cents to the tarriffs that don't sound like alot but multiplied by millions thats a hunk of change, just ask Richard Prior:lol:(can't he's dead:cry:)[/quote]

That would require a "large outfit" to overthrow the United States government.

EA isn't that big. At least, not yet is isn't.
 
it depends on the employee from my experience.

i once sent a box that had a statue and cash in it to someone. had it all insured, even the cash. the item was received broken and the box open with the cash taken. i received it back and took it to the post office and told them the truth.. the lady said they don't insure cash - but she'll just mark the statue as the whole value. got all my money back. so i pretty much lucked.
 
Sports cards are almost always worth 1/10th of "book value." Those pricing guides are a joke.
 
[quote name='vera']it depends on the employee from my experience.

i once sent a box that had a statue and cash in it to someone. had it all insured, even the cash. the item was received broken and the box open with the cash taken. i received it back and took it to the post office and told them the truth.. the lady said they don't insure cash - but she'll just mark the statue as the whole value. got all my money back. so i pretty much lucked.[/quote]

Lucky! Generally, you can't insure cash for any reason, ever.
 
[quote name='crowbb']I worked as a clerk for the USPS for 5 years. The short answer, is you would be lucky if they paid you $50 for it. You'd have no shot at the $200.

Now before I explain a bit of a disclaimer in that I have not worked for the USPS in 15 months, but this is how they did things while I was still there.

1. Claims over a certain dollar value (I think it was $50) go to St. Louis (May have the city wrong) for their insurance department to review. Because of rampant insurance fraud in the past it is VERY difficult to get them to pay out and when they do it can take months. The time it takes to pay will be affected by the dollar value of the item. For the low dollar values it is up to the individual Postmaster of the local office. He can pay out if you can actually reach him and convince him of your case but only up to that certain $$ value. Of course Postmasters are about as easy to reach in person as Bigfoot, so unless it is a very tiny office I wouldn't bet on that either.

2. You have to show proof of the worth of the item. This is a receipt. eBay printouts DO NOT count. They were very specific on this when I worked there as I used to buy a lot of old Transformers and would often discuss the matter with the claims clerk in my office. Basically if you bought the hypothetical card you would have to ask the seller for a receipt. Again a printout of an eBay screen or email will not be enough. Preferably the receipt would not be in crayon though I'm pretty sure there are no rules against it.

3. You are only getting what you can prove you paid for the item. That's the USPS policy and that's what you are getting. Allowing the "true value" would only encourage fraud and abuse. Just because insurance for $82.99 is the same price as $100 does not mean you get $100. Claiming that due to inflation in the 30 days since you mailed the item you should get an extra 16 cents doesn't work either. Not that I've tried...*ahem*.

4. You will have to bring the damaged item in along with the packaging. Obviously if it is lost this is not required. However, remember insurance is tracked. It used to be under $50 insurance was not tracked but I think that has since changed. I may be wrong there though. They will inspect the packaging and damaged item. I have seen people turned down on their insurance refund because they didn't bring the packaging. Of course we would obviously know if you stomped all over the package yourself. Afterall we are professionals at destroying your mail and can spot an amateur's work a mile away.

5. If the USPS pays out, they keep the item. We had an instance where a woman brought in some kind of antique Mahjong set or something and one tile was broken. She wanted the money AND to keep the unbroken items. No dice. Then she wanted to know when we were going to throw it out so she could dumpster dive for it. We didn't bite on that either. Said items are shipped to the secret USPS landfill in the middle of the Nevada where they are buried next to all those copies of ET. Or maybe we just chucked them. I can't remember, it's been 15 months.

6. Even if you do everything right they STILL might insist on paying the original retail cost of the item. Yes. For your "$200.00" card they might pay you a fraction of the cost of the original pack it came in. We had that happen quite a bit and while I would like to think the USPS has improved on handling online auction....they aren't exactly known for keeping with the times. When I worked there some of the equipment in our office was from the 1930s. Baseball cards have been collectible for longer so it's less likely but this was a very common occurence with toys. The Post Office is like a timewarp. I'm pretty sure if I searched my old office hard enough I could have scraped up a few dinosaur bones and maybe some gold dubloons. I'll have to keep that in mind next time I visit.

7. Insurance adjusters? This isn't car insurance. The USPS is a company and while they have a department for this, they aren't showing up at your house to investigate the item. You bring/send/mail everything to them. The burden of proof is on you to prove to them you deserve the money. Like joevan said, the USPS is not in the appraisal business. These guys are not experts on your item. They are going to use proof you provide that meets their standards and nothing else. "No Arms Bob's ultimate extreme card and lawn ornament guide" is likely not going to be considered hard proof of value by the USPS. And don't even try it if the item is a lawn gnome. The USPS hates lawn gnomes and will quite possibly have a postal inspector shoot you in the kneecaps if you try to bring a claim on one.

8. I second the NADA comment. I'm going through that right now as someone wiped out 2 of my families cars while we had them parked on the street. After comparing the different book values I think there is something very poignant about the name "nada" when getting the quote from the insurance company.[/quote]

I seriously LOL'd at this entire response and definitely think that those book values on items such as sports cards are overblown routinely. Now, coins, on the other hand. :whistle2:# Juuuuuust kidding.

Oh and kingofthenet, I don't think the PS3 is worth only $100, but if ya stripped out the added bullshit that made it out of most peoples price range this gen, it might come close. And this is coming from someone who grew up on Atari and Sega and loved the hell out of the original Playstation and the PS2. What the hell is with the push to make GAME machines some multimedia fuckin hub anymore?
 
[quote name='kingofthenet']Good point, I really should have used a PSTriple as my example, but let me ask you this say I DID recieve a broken PS3(Say the 80gb) and I managed to get it for $100 because someone listed it in the wrong catagory it was Broken and I had it insured for the Real $499 value, I should get $499 NO?[/quote]

Dickhead, you obviously do not know how to read. Obviously, us fellow New Yorkers (Gatsby) have a little more intelligence than you do (not saying anyone else isn't smart, just felt that a fellow NY had to defend one of their own - who didn't need much defense anyway).What you just used as an example of a situation is an example of INSURANCE FRAUD. The reason that the Post Office will NOT pay you full value for an item IS for stupid numbnuts like you that like to SCAM legit companies, like USPS, by using dirty tricks.

Also, follow these guidelines while you are on here:
1) Don't post anymore.
2) If you actually decide to post, have your mommy and daddy read it first, so they can teach you correct spelling, grammar, and whatever else you're lacking. (Which is a lot indeed.)
3) You have no right to reply to other members the way you did. How are you going to tell someone that THEY did not do something. Are you seriously fucking retarded?

@Slim Gatsby - KingOfTheNet is a fucking idiot. fuck him. He doesn't know shit.
 
[quote name='FeNoM91']Dickhead, you obviously do not know how to read. Obviously, us fellow New Yorkers (Gatsby) have a little more intelligence than you do (not saying anyone else isn't smart, just felt that a fellow NY had to defend one of their own - who didn't need much defense anyway).What you just used as an example of a situation is an example of INSURANCE FRAUD. The reason that the Post Office will NOT pay you full value for an item IS for stupid numbnuts like you that like to SCAM legit companies, like USPS, by using dirty tricks.

Also, follow these guidelines while you are on here:
1) Don't post anymore.
2) If you actually decide to post, have your mommy and daddy read it first, so they can teach you correct spelling, grammar, and whatever else you're lacking. (Which is a lot indeed.)
3) You have no right to reply to other members the way you did. How are you going to tell someone that THEY did not do something. Are you seriously fucking retarded?

@Slim Gatsby - KingOfTheNet is a fucking idiot. fuck him. He doesn't know shit.[/quote]

Well,You must be a product of the NYC school system, did you make it to HS or drop out after you knocked up your 12yo girlfriend? But here are some FACTS for your Crack hazed brain:
1.I live in NYC, so STFU!
2. I only resorted to replying like I did AFTER he accused me of Insurance Fraud in his first post in my thread...Just like I am going to do to you BabyRaper
3.The Only thing that I tried to do that was "Dirty" was F your Mother, even with triple condoms her crabs were bunjie jumping from my balls.
 
[quote name='kingofthenet']Well,You must be a product of the NYC school system, did you make it to HS or drop out after you knocked up your 12yo girlfriend? But here are some FACTS for your Crack hazed brain:
1.I live in NYC, so STFU!
2. I only resorted to replying like I did AFTER he accused me of Insurance Fraud in his first post in my thread...Just like I am going to do to you BabyRaper
3.The Only thing that I tried to do that was "Dirty" was F your Mother, even with triple condoms her crabs were bunjie jumping from my balls.[/quote]

somebody needs a banning:D
 
[quote name='Jedi1979']somebody needs a banning:D[/quote]
AND THIS, Doesn't?:
Dickhead, you obviously do not know how to read. Obviously, us fellow New Yorkers (Gatsby) have a little more intelligence than you do (not saying anyone else isn't smart, just felt that a fellow NY had to defend one of their own - who didn't need much defense anyway).What you just used as an example of a situation is an example of INSURANCE FRAUD. The reason that the Post Office will NOT pay you full value for an item IS for stupid numbnuts like you that like to SCAM legit companies, like USPS, by using dirty tricks.

Also, follow these guidelines while you are on here:
1) Don't post anymore.
2) If you actually decide to post, have your mommy and daddy read it first, so they can teach you correct spelling, grammar, and whatever else you're lacking. (Which is a lot indeed.)
3) You have no right to reply to other members the way you did. How are you going to tell someone that THEY did not do something. Are you seriously fucking retarded?

@Slim Gatsby - KingOfTheNet is a fucking idiot. fuck him. He doesn't know shit.

Are you defending these guys because they are your "Pals"? Or did you "Miss" it?
 
[quote name='Jedi1979']somebody needs a banning:D[/quote]

I concur, since I've never seen such a beligerent poster in all my life. Well, unless you count a couple internet chats I've been in, the CAG room for one(when the site goes down). There were about 10 'Cheapys' in there the one night, all badmouthing everyone else and the site, as well as some other somewhat unmentionable names.
 
[quote name='kingofthenet']Well,You must be a product of the NYC school system, did you make it to HS or drop out after you knocked up your 12yo girlfriend? But here are some FACTS for your Crack hazed brain:
1.I live in NYC, so STFU!
2. I only resorted to replying like I did AFTER he accused me of Insurance Fraud in his first post in my thread...Just like I am going to do to you BabyRaper
3.The Only thing that I tried to do that was "Dirty" was F your Mother, even with triple condoms her crabs were bunjie jumping from my balls.[/quote]

1. I currently attend one of NYC's top 15 high schools.
2. Being that you live in NYC would suggest you would also be a product of the NYC system, maybe not.
3. It would technically be insurance fraud. Think of it like this - I could buy a smashed-to-bits PS3 and open it in front of the delivery guy. I could say that it was damaged in shipping (which it was not) and claim the price for a brand new one $400+. Thus, this would be fraud.
5. "Raper" is NOT, I repeat, NOT a word. I believe "Rapist" is the word you are looking for.
6. What is with all this 12 year old girl friend shit? Bad experience in the past? You couldn't get any women? Relax, I know I don't have to rape anyone, especially not any 12 year old, unlike your ugly ass.
6. Where the fuck did you get triple condoms? Maybe THREE condoms, not triple condoms. Maybe you needed three so that my mom could begin to feel your dick.
7.
her crabs were bunjie jumping from my balls
Well, thats great to know. That would mean that she got the crabs from you.

Learn how to argue and defend your arguments instead of being a dickwad and resorting to "trash talking" I guess you could call it.

I'm done here. You aren't worth my time. I'll be the one to step out, say what you want. I'd love to read your comeback to this one.
 
[quote name='FeNoM91']1. I currently attend one of NYC's top 15 high schools.
2. Being that you live in NYC would suggest you would also be a product of the NYC system, maybe not.
3. It would technically be insurance fraud. Think of it like this - I could buy a smashed-to-bits PS3 and open it in front of the delivery guy. I could say that it was damaged in shipping (which it was not) and claim the price for a brand new one $400+. Thus, this would be fraud.
5. "Raper" is NOT, I repeat, NOT a word. I believe "Rapist" is the word you are looking for.
6. What is with all this 12 year old girl friend shit? Bad experience in the past? You couldn't get any women? Relax, I know I don't have to rape anyone, especially not any 12 year old, unlike your ugly ass.
6. Where the fuck did you get triple condoms? Maybe THREE condoms, not triple condoms. Maybe you needed three so that my mom could begin to feel your dick.
7. Well, thats great to know. That would mean that she got the crabs from you.

Learn how to argue and defend your arguments instead of being a dickwad and resorting to "trash talking" I guess you could call it.

I'm done here. You aren't worth my time. I'll be the one to step out, say what you want. I'd love to read your comeback to this one.[/quote]
Actually, I am not going to say anything as you made a point about the PS3, that was intellegent. Insurance Fraud is when you get paid for something you don't own, or mis represent (like that broken to bits PS3 from your example) and passing it off as a good one, but if you buy a good one and it is damaged you should get your money back on insurance right? I am actually sorry for the Name calling, but you instigated it, and contiinue baiting me by calling me names like "DickWad" I never wanted to get into a "Trash Talking" fight with you but you came into my thread calling me names and insulting me and expect me to sit back and take it? I most likely will be the one getting banned but if their is ANY justice We should BOTH be banned.Funny thing is if you would have just said what you said in your last post(Minus the Dickwad talk) we could have had an intresting disgussion.
Protip for you: Don't go into a thread and insult someone who hasn't messed with you, believe me Slim Gatsby can take care of himself.
 
[quote name='kingofthenet']Actually, I am not going to say anything as you made a point about the PS3, that was intellegent. Insurance Fraud is when you get paid for something you don't own, or mis represent (like that broken to bits PS3 from your example) and passing it off as a good one, but if you buy a good one and it is damaged you should get your money back on insurance right? I am actually sorry for the Name calling, but you instigated it, and contiinue baiting me by calling me names like "DickWad" I never wanted to get into a "Trash Talking" fight with you but you came into my thread calling me names and insulting me and expect me to sit back and take it? I most likely will be the one getting banned but if their is ANY justice We should BOTH be banned.Funny thing is if you would have just said what you said in your last post(Minus the Dickwad talk) we could have had an intresting disgussion.
Protip for you: Don't go into a thread and insult someone who hasn't messed with you, believe me Slim Gatsby can take care of himself.[/QUOTE]


if you buy an expensive item and it arrives broken, the seller is the one who re-pays you- only the person shipping the item gets to claim the insurance. Therefore, if you manage to buy a card with a $200 value for $50 from Ebay, but it's lost in the mail, you're only getting $50 back unless you can somehow jedi-mind-trick the seller into giving you more than you paid.

If you're the shipper, and the item has no receipt -like an heirloom tea set- you'd best look into Post Office insurance policy and have the item appraised (and documented) before mailing- basically, you have to prove you did own and mail an antique sliver tea set worth $500. Otherwise, the Post Office has no way to know if you really lost a sliver set or a plastic one from the local Goodwill... or that the damaged set isn't just a cheap sterling knockoff.

There's you answer. Enjoy your ban.
 
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5. "Raper" is NOT, I repeat, NOT a word. I believe "Rapist" is the word you are looking for.
6. What is with all this 12 year old girl friend shit? Bad experience in the past? You couldn't get any women? Relax, I know I don't have to rape anyone, especially not any 12 year old, unlike your ugly ass.
6. Where the fuck did you get triple condoms? Maybe THREE condoms, not triple condoms. Maybe you needed three so that my mom could begin to feel your dick.
7. Well, thats great to know. That would mean that she got the crabs from you.
[/quote]

Sexy.
hahaha.

Anyways, I'm sure he was just asking a question.

Crabs are nasty :whistle2:#
Maybe keep it PG? lol.
 
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